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[WA] Free Pint to People on Day of Vaccination Fr 12PM-6PM @ Windsor Hotel (South Perth)

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[WA] Free Pint to People on Day of Vaccination Fr 12PM-6PM @ Windsor Hotel (South Perth)
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A Perth pub is offering a free pint to people who get vaccinated against COVID-19, but the offer only applies on the day of the shot.

South Perth’s Windsor Hotel has announced they are giving away a free pint of Ogden’s Brewery beer to those who can prove they have had their jab.

The promotion runs between 12pm-6pm daily.

The move comes hot on the heels of a similar one in Melbourne, which was shot down by the Therapeutic Goods Administration.

The Prince Alfred Hotel was offering free pints to those who had received their shot, but the TGA called the pub and warned them about regulations that prevent using ‘alcohol, tobacco or registered medicines’ as incentives to get vaccinated.

But Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the move was a bit ‘heavy-handed’ and said he would ‘get it sorted’.

Now The Windsor is having a go, with the promotion beginning on Saturday.

Perth punters considering a jab now have the choice of two drinks after getting a shot at one of the city’s vaccination hubs: a juice box, or a pint of Ogden’s finest.

Or, they could have both.

via Perthnow

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  • paaj on 13/07/2021 - 10:15
    +17

    Can't even sign up to get a jab at the moment!

      • Drewbo on 13/07/2021 - 11:18
        +21

        Ugh.

      • hoxygt on 13/07/2021 - 11:25
        +24

        Ah I thought the nutters might be on here too!

        • Schmiddler on 13/07/2021 - 12:24
          +14

          The word you're looking for is wary, not weary. Strange that somebody so wise wouldn't know that.

            • Schmiddler on 13/07/2021 - 12:29
              +9

              @raybies: Not a particularly good choice of words then, given the context.

            • eroticdiagram on 13/07/2021 - 15:07
              +14

              @raybies: Then it's very weird language to tell someone to be weary. Telling someone to be vigilant is normal. Telling someone to be tired… What?

              You've said the wrong word and you're doubling down.

            • D3m3ntia on 13/07/2021 - 16:00
              +3

              @raybies: Whatever everyone else said plus, "interpreting", "wrote"… In fact the only thing you got right in two posts was the bit you copied and pasted from dictionary .com

              • raybies on 13/07/2021 - 16:33
                -6

                @D3m3ntia: Thanks Karen.
                I am weary of the herd now.

      • bargainparker on 13/07/2021 - 12:21
        +2

        Agree. It's a blessing. Getting 5G on Thursday. At least won't have to buy phones any more and what's more, free upgrade to 6G.

    • His_Holiness on 13/07/2021 - 11:55
      +6

      Call your GP and get AstraZeneca

      • plague69 on 13/07/2021 - 15:10
        +7

        Alcohol thins the blood and raises heart beat. Helps prevent blood clotting

        • paaj on 13/07/2021 - 16:56
          +2

          man, that's a good way to promote AstraZeneca!

    • ray6005 on 13/07/2021 - 21:21

      i believe you can get AZ easily if you chose to.

  • muwu on 13/07/2021 - 10:40
    +8

    Damn, where were these offers in March and June 😞

    But this is great. Can't think of anything more Aussie. Come on peeps, roll up your sleeves, join the 9% (last in the OECD and locking down cities to manage a 2019-emergent virus in 2021 🥺)

    • bonezAU on 13/07/2021 - 11:24
      +4

      I would happily roll up my sleeve if Australia had secured enough Pfizer vaccine for people in their 30's. At the moment I'm being told I can't get one.

      • muwu on 13/07/2021 - 11:31
        +7

        No, you're not eligible for Pfizer (I presume… that depends on your vaccine phase eligibility). Australia has inadequate supply, which is slowly improving, but future projections of supply doesn't help now when we have a problem with people being infected and becoming ill and dying, just like it didn't help in February when the vaccination program began and we had the same problem.

        You are eligible for AZ. Discuss with your doctor. Consent centers around a discussion of risk vs. benefit. Both are very low - the risk of TTS is very rare, but so is the risk of significant morbidity and mortality in your age group from an acute SARS infection if you contract COVID. Given both risk and benefit are so low for you, the consideration is fairly mute. What's more relevant is the community vs individual aspect - by getting COVAX, you protect everyone else around you, including the most vulnerable like the elderly and those with chronic diseases (who are often the more marginalized and poor), and you add your number to the goal of herd immunity and stopping lockdowns, improving personal liberties, opening borders and travel, and improving national and household economies 👍

        • bonezAU on 13/07/2021 - 11:44
          +5

          The issue here is that not many people in this age group want AZ due to all the bad press surrounding it. I totally get what you're saying, but the government has an almost impossible task on their hands if they think they are going to suddenly change peoples minds and talk them into getting AZ.

          • muwu on 13/07/2021 - 11:55
            +1

            @bonezAU: There are lots of community issues that are hampered by poor reputation and bad press and public opinion. We can only try our best to communicate the science and make education the goal.

            COVAX, including AZ which is the principally supplied vaccine of the last six months and will be at a minimum for the near future, is unequivocally the right decision for everyone. We're six months into our vaccination program, Australia is dead-last, and the only barrier is turning public opinion.

            • SJDR on 13/07/2021 - 16:37
              +1

              @muwu:

              COVAX, including AZ which is the principally supplied vaccine of the last six months and will be at a minimum for the near future, is unequivocally the right decision for everyone

              That's weird, because all the medical experts are saying 'çonsult your GP'. Do we listen to them, or some random guy on Ozbargain says it's right for everyone?

              • ray6005 on 13/07/2021 - 21:22

                @SJDR: don't need to talk to anyone, just take the jab if you are willing to take the risk…

            • CheeseBeans on 15/07/2021 - 13:15

              @muwu: In addition to the poorer safety (even if the risk is still low) and efficacy of AZ, there's some other considerations- for example AZ is not an FDA approved vaccine, so events in the US requiring vaccination (in the hypothetical event we're ever allowed to travel again) are already turning away people with AZ.

              Weighing up the current information, health advice, and geopolitical factors, I'll wait for Pfizer.

              https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/questions-raised-about-fu…

          • Daniel Plainview on 13/07/2021 - 11:59
            +8

            @bonezAU: The press on AZ has been horrendously handled - partly due to changing info but also incompetence & confusion.

            IMHO this was an excellent article that simply explains the risk of fatality via AZ clotting vs other risks we happily live with i.e driving to get the vax.
            https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/risk-of-…

            Also largely missed is that doctors now know how they were treating this very rare condition was incorrect and so the numbers of fatalities will drop. They're currently 1 in 1.5-2m range.

            I seriously wonder how many people give as much thought to worrying about adverse effects from any other new medication or other incredibly unlikely stuff i.e hit by lightning.

            Instead of doing scare ads, the govt should run simple fact based graphics like this but might be a case of the cat out of the basket - I'd hope the high % of sub40's in ICU in this early part of SYD spread might get folks to relook at the facts as IMHO AZ now is a lot better that Pfizer maybe in 2-4mths.

            • bonezAU on 13/07/2021 - 12:21
              +1

              @Daniel Plainview: That's all well and good but I'm following the recommendation of my state govt which is to wait for Pfizer. It says I can get AZ if I wish by discussing with my GP, but Mark McGowan came out like the QLD premier and recommended people under 40 don't get it, so I'm just waiting for Pfizer now.

              People will make up their own minds, especially those in Sydney who may decide to get AZ now rather than wait for something else. In the current form it seems up to the individual to assess and make a decision.

              Thank you for registering.
              Based on the current WA Health rollout plan, we are not ready to take your booking at this time.

              You will be notified by email when you can book a vaccination.

              If you are aged between 30-39, you’ll be contacted directly to make a booking once more of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine is made available by the Australian Government. If you are an adult aged under 60 and wish to have an AstraZeneca vaccine, please contact your GP for an appointment. You are also welcome to check back with us at any time, particularly if your circumstances change, by logging into VaccinateWA.

            • muwu on 13/07/2021 - 12:21
              +3

              @Daniel Plainview: 👍

              That article is perfect for educating relative risk of AZ

              (I didn't think I'd ever be so complimentary of a news.com.au article 😂)

        • Schmiddler on 13/07/2021 - 12:27
          +4

          Forgive my potential ignorance, but I was under the impression that being vaccinated didn't actually eliminate the chance of you getting COVID and spreading it, it just increases antibodies and allows you to fight it off with less potential health impact?

          • muwu on 13/07/2021 - 12:35
            +4

            @Schmiddler: You're right.

            Vaccines don't eliminate. They reduce. Less likely to contract. Less severe disease. Less morbidity. Less death. Less transmission to those you contact.

            Elimination is not feasible for respiratory viruses. But once herd immunity is reached, COVID and it's strains will sink into the background of the group of viruses that contribute to our seasonal colds every year, with relatively low rates of morbidity and mortality.

            Have a read of the history of the Spanish Flu. Before the advent of vaccines, the outbreak of the 1918 flu killed countless millions and took a few years to reach herd immunity. But then it's subsequent strains were still being detected up to the 1950s, but it's effect had well and truly changed after it's initial novelty to the human race.

            • Schmiddler on 13/07/2021 - 12:36

              @muwu: Gotcha, that's what I thought. Again, as you've noted, the press/announcements throughout this entire pandemic and vaccine rollout have been both less than accurate and largely confusing with the information presented.

          • EightImmortals on 13/07/2021 - 13:31
            +1

            @Schmiddler: Or more specifically, according to the FDA it produces (allegedly) 'vaccine antibodies' and not 'covid' antibodies.n They issued a warning a few weeks back not to use the standard antigen test on vaccinated people as it only picks up antibodies in unvaccinated people who have been exposed and now have natural immunity. if you want to find antibodies in vaccinated people you needed to use a different test.

            https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/an…

            https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-covid-19-and…

            "SARS-CoV-2 antibody (often referred to as serology) tests look for antibodies in a sample to determine if an individual has had a past infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. COVID-19 antibody tests can help identify people who may have been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus or have recovered from a COVID-19 infection.

            At this time, researchers do not know whether the presence of antibodies means that you are immune to COVID-19; or if you are immune, how long it will last.

            In people who have received a COVID-19 vaccination, antibody testing is not recommended to determine whether you are immune or protected from COVID-19."

            Which is kinda pathetic given that they managed to get emergency use authorisation for the injections on the basis that 1) they produced antibodies in the victims…errm 'participants' and 2) that the presence of 'antibodies' was conflated with 'immunity' from the covid. Even with the benefit of hindsight people are still lining up for it….

            Neg away!

          • ray6005 on 13/07/2021 - 21:24

            @Schmiddler: it reduce chance of hospitalization and severity of sympton, therefore technically should reduce viral load that potentially infecting other people unknowingly.

            • EightImmortals on 14/07/2021 - 06:35

              @ray6005: That's the 'story' but it is completely unproven by long term studies…because there hasn't been any. All the political talking heads and the great God Fauci are saying it will not stop you from catching or transmitting it leading me to wonder 'why bother'. And now ironically we have some airlines banning vaccinated travellers for fear of blood clots. And given the growing number of deaths and severe reactions around the world in people who have had the injection I think I'll take my chance with the bug itself, which seems to be getting weaker already (i.e the 'delta' 'varient' lols) as these things tend to do in the wild anyway.

              Even if you believe the official numbers (many don't) the death rate in those who actually catch it is still only .04%. I guess that's why they have to import other fear vectors to keep the muppets lining up for the injection. Now everyone repeat what the TV people told them this week….'Loooooong covid!'

              Tally ho!

              • DogGunn on 14/07/2021 - 07:46
                -1

                @EightImmortals: What the heck was this reply?

                Feels like trolling. How else would you come to the conclusion that the statistics for the positive effect of vaccines out there, but there's enough data that somehow COVID-19 is fine…

              • Schmiddler on 14/07/2021 - 07:56

                @EightImmortals: Care to share where you're getting the .04% figure?

                • EightImmortals on 14/07/2021 - 10:03

                  @Schmiddler: Some guy on the internet. :)

                  Someone did the maths using the official figures, can't find the link now (probably cos of censorship, or my lousy memory.) But basically he took the worlds population of 8 Bn the amount of 'cases', the amount of claimed covid deaths (4 million) and did the maths and came up with .04%.

                  I'll post the link if it turns up.

                  • Schmiddler on 14/07/2021 - 11:56

                    @EightImmortals: But is that the number of deaths per global population? Not the same as a death/mortality rate. A statistically relevant mortality rate is deaths/case which is substantially higher than 0.04% - not everybody in the world has has COVID.

                    This pandemic is really showing me that the average punter doesn't understand stats even to a basic level, which is a bit concerning.

                    • EightImmortals on 14/07/2021 - 12:11

                      @Schmiddler: Yeah I'll have to find the link as I can't remember how he did the maths. I think it was deaths per cases but don't remember now. Either way I was reassured that my choice to avoid the injection was the right one. :)

                      • Schmiddler on 14/07/2021 - 12:15

                        @EightImmortals: Regardless of your views on the vaccine, the maths that this guy has done are not in line with any accurate statistics available. 0.05% lines up exactly as 4 million deaths / 8 billion people, so I'm certain that's what his calculation boiled down to - which as I stated is a redundant figure. It's as useful as saying the fatality rate of BASE jumping is only 383/8000000000*100 = 0.0000047875%, when in terms of its active participants it is one of the most dangerous things you can do.

                        • ozhunter on 14/07/2021 - 15:08

                          @Schmiddler: You think the only people that tested positive are the ones that had covid?

                          • Schmiddler on 14/07/2021 - 16:27

                            @ozhunter: Probably not, but I'd be willing to bet that the figure of people who've had it is a lot closer to what is reported than it is to 8 billion.

                            • ozhunter on 14/07/2021 - 20:21

                              @Schmiddler: Maybe, maybe not.

                              Didn't the WHO estimate around 750mil in early October?

                              • Schmiddler on 14/07/2021 - 21:13

                                @ozhunter: If they did, 750 million is a lot closer to 190 million (the numbers I’m seeing from a cursory search) than it is to 8 billion. What’s your point?

              • ray6005 on 16/07/2021 - 21:51

                @EightImmortals: https://www.smh.com.au/national/don-t-be-concerned-by-vaccin… The media expert reiterated the benefits of vaccinated people in sydney today.

      • GregRust on 13/07/2021 - 20:03
        +2

        If there's no pre-existing health issues that would preclude you from getting AZ, then get AZ. The risk of mortality as a result is minute, and it's the right thing to do for the community.

        • Vomo on 13/07/2021 - 20:08
          +1

          Except the AMA says don't if you're under 60.

          • hypie on 13/07/2021 - 20:14
            +1

            @Vomo: ATAGI is in charge of immunisation recommendations (not the AMA) and announced a change in recommendation today based on the outbreak of the Delta variant in NSW.

            • Vomo on 13/07/2021 - 20:22
              -1

              @hypie: Thanks, good to know about the change.

            • bonezAU on 14/07/2021 - 08:17
              +1

              @hypie: Scotty from marketing has a tonne of AZ that he needs to dispose of before the expiry date, so he asks ATAGI to "review" the situation and they come back with a super convenient answer, just the one Scotty was looking for in fact.

              I'm by no means anti-vax but I am anti AZ for younger people and waiting for Pfizer. Good luck and best wishes to anyone under 60 who wants to get AZ.

              It's a real pitty that the Australian government was allegedly so rude to Pfizer in the first place.

              • hypie on 14/07/2021 - 08:58
                +2

                @bonezAU: No, this was always likely to happen. In a world with 0 covid cases, the risk of being infected is lower than the risk of adverse events.

                As soon as you have covid in the community, the risk of being infected and as such having an undesirable outcome from the virus is substantially higher.

                End of the day… 3 deaths in 4 million doses is perfectly acceptable risk when you start seeing 20-30 people in the ICU.

                Remember the UK and World is primarily vaccinated on AZ.

                Federal government backed the wrong vaccines, likely to save money. Bad call.

                • bob19 on 14/07/2021 - 12:02

                  @hypie: Your figures are wrong.
                  In Australia
                  From 21 Feb to 4 July 355 people died following vaccination and 36,387 had adverse events.
                  During the same period 0 people died from Covid.

                  • Schmiddler on 14/07/2021 - 12:16
                    +1

                    @bob19: Please provide your source.

                  • Piers on 14/07/2021 - 12:35

                    @bob19: Are you Clive Palmer? Deaths following vaccination means nothing by itself, every day thousands of Australians die after brushing their teeth. Probably half the people who had the Smallpox vaccine are dead now. The important questions are : what did they die of, how old are they and what is the background natural death rate of vaccinated people in that age category versus a control group of unvaccinated people?

                    Putting out simple figures without any qualification or supporting evidence makes your post highly misleading.

                  • GregRust on 14/07/2021 - 22:03
                    +1

                    @bob19: This is very misleading as you’ve left out a very important piece of information in a subsequent sentence:

                    “Since the beginning of the vaccine rollout to 4 July 2021, over 8.2 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been given. The TGA has received and reviewed 355 reports of deaths in people who have recently been vaccinated and found that only three were linked to immunisation.”

                    Source: https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safe…

          • ray6005 on 16/07/2021 - 21:52

            @Vomo: unless you are in Sydney outbreak area!!!!

  • hello007 on 13/07/2021 - 10:43
    +19

    Welcome this incentive.

    However, given the fact that, for some people, the AZ can cause a significant degree of tiredness for a day or so, adding a pint of beer on top - may not be safe - particularly if the person then plans to drive …

    Maybe this offer should be extended to, for example, within 72 hours of the jab - so that people have time to recover from the vaccine and then celebrate with a nice cold one.

    This can easily be verified by people showing their My Health vaccine record - which is usually available online within 24 hours of the jab.

    • muwu on 13/07/2021 - 10:54

      Extending… sure if it drives more people in.

      Approx. 50% of AZ doses will produce side-effects (so 50% will have none), and of those the majority will be mild, such as localized swelling/pain. For the minority that get more moderate-to-severe side-effects (I was one), the onset is typically no earlier then 8-10hrs, and duration is typically 10-14hrs. I wouldn't recommend it necessary to plan your post-jab diary to allow for a recovery period, but if you want to be conservative a Friday or Saturday booking would be ideal for the ordinary worker.

      • capslock janitor on 13/07/2021 - 12:16

        or offer a stubby to take home instead

      • ray6005 on 13/07/2021 - 21:26

        i am under 38 and have a headache within first 7 days occasionally.

    • APN Adelaide on 13/07/2021 - 10:54
      +2

      Yep totally agree with this comment.

      Before the jab make sure you hydrate yourself with enough water (3 litre + every day for at least a day before) and keep doing the same for next 48 hours (after the jab).

      doesn't matter West or East roll up your sleeves.

    • radiocleve on 13/07/2021 - 11:23
      +1

      Agreed. I was a bit worn out after my first jab and, despite wanting a drink, I knew it was best to rest. Great idea but the execution could use a bit more thought.

      • shanlee on 13/07/2021 - 11:49

        1st jab's effects are nothing compared to the ones after the 2nd jab. but u wont have much effect on the day of the vaccination, usually its the next day(s).
        I had both my shots, so speaking from my experience.

        • Daniel Plainview on 13/07/2021 - 12:02
          +2

          +1 - had same reaction myself, 1st shot was just sore arm, 2nd shot felt like early days of getting the flu, very lethargic and general aches and pains.

          All said it was no big deal so is nothing to worry about and is actually expected with vaccinations of most any type.

        • ray6005 on 13/07/2021 - 21:32

          according to the UK website, the first dose of AZ side effect should be more than the second dose if occurs.

          https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-maga…

          For the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, side effects tend to be milder with the second dose. The types of side effects are the same and should still only last a day or two. They include pain or discomfort in the arm where you had your injection, headaches, and feeling tired or feverish.

  • hforhun on 13/07/2021 - 10:55
    +14

    ‘A shot for a shot’ would’ve been a more catchy campaign tagline.

    • muwu on 13/07/2021 - 10:56
      +1

      There's a job in marketing for you, sir

    • Mahalo on 13/07/2021 - 11:48
      +5

      Here is Oz an excellent idea. Not so much in the US.
      Funny how an ad campaign can have two completely different meaning in different countries.

    • hypie on 13/07/2021 - 11:12
      +40

      3 (over 4 million doses) have died due to TTS adverse event associated with the AZ vaccination. 911 deaths from covid in Australia to date. Worldwide death toll from Covid-19 stands at 4 million.

      NSW: Several young individuals remain in the ICU battling Covid-19 without any clear underlying health conditions. A 70 year old died yesterday of Covid-19.

      Your move.

        • hypie on 13/07/2021 - 11:19
          +22

          No they were not. Do not provide false information please.

            • hoxygt on 13/07/2021 - 11:30
              +9

              @[Deactivated]: Almost everyone has a comorbidity, blood pressure, asthma, diabetes, heart issues, that doesn't mean they can't die of COVID and COVID alone. Perhaps its yourself that could kindly stop - or provide evidence for your point?

            • hypie on 13/07/2021 - 11:31
              +3

              @[Deactivated]: At the end of the day, no one really cares if you get the vaccination or not. It is voluntary and it is your choice.

              The international borders will open eventually. At this point we will live in a world with Covid-19.

              If you choose not to get vaccinated, your risk of ending up in hospital, having serious disease or dying will increase dramatically. Those closest to you will also face these risks if you continue to try to manipulate others with information that is not scientific, evidence based or factual.

              If you don't want the vaccine, don't take it. Just keep your mouth shut.

                • hypie on 13/07/2021 - 11:42
                  +9

                  @[Deactivated]: The biggest threat to humanity is misinformation from people like you. Not the big scary virus.

                  • [Deactivated] on 13/07/2021 - 12:51
                    -4

                    @hypie: The greatest threat to humanity is government tyranny. The type of tyranny that you are cheerleading for. Again, live your life and leave other people alone to live theirs.

                    • Vinodra on 13/07/2021 - 14:25
                      +9

                      @[Deactivated]: Being a moron is fine, it's when you start preaching your insanity to others that people have a problem with you.

                      If you think the Australian government is tyrannical for wanting people vaccinated, you are truly hopeless and it is a waste of time for anyone to try and convince you otherwise.

                      • ozhunter on 13/07/2021 - 14:53

                        @Vinodra: I love the government, and the government loves me. /s

                      • [Deactivated] on 13/07/2021 - 15:31
                        -2

                        @Vinodra: The tyranny isn't the government wanting people vaccinated, the tyranny is locking people in their homes and shutting their businesses unless they get vaccinated. Less name calling and more thinking, please. But that's what you guys and girls do - you resort to insults and aggression when your opinion is not accepted as truth.

                        • [Deactivated] on 13/07/2021 - 16:31
                          -1

                          @[Deactivated]: These people have their own eco chamber. Don't waste your time with them.

                    • Yorkshire-Man on 13/07/2021 - 15:34
                      +4

                      @[Deactivated]: Government tyranny. Jeezzzzus. I'm fully vaccinated, I got the jabs to protect the elderly/vulnerable people I come into contact with & because I want Australia to be able to travel again. You can choose not to, free choice here, than when we open the borders next year the unvaccinated can run the risk… unfortunately there will be some that for medical reasons can't be vaccinated, they are the ones I feel sorry for.

                      No side effects. No pain. No cost… really don't get why anyone wouldn't want one.

                      • [Deactivated] on 13/07/2021 - 15:42

                        @Yorkshire-Man: You don't have to "get why". You don't have to understand the decisions others make. Accepting their right to choose is all you need to understand. Any more than that is infringing on their lives. No one tried to stop you from getting the vaccine. You were free to make your choice. Afford others the same respect you enjoyed. I get the feeling you are not capable of affording others that simple dignity, though. And for the record I've never had a Facebook account and don't own a tin foil hat. But thanks for the slur.

                        • Yorkshire-Man on 13/07/2021 - 15:58
                          +1

                          @[Deactivated]: Fair call. I apologise.

                          Sorry, it just baffles me after seeing so many friends in the UK lose neighbours/family members & colleagues to COVID why anyone wouldn't want to do anything they can to protect their loved ones.

                          Clearly we think differently, yes I find that hard to accept.

                          • [Deactivated] on 13/07/2021 - 16:10

                            @Yorkshire-Man: Appreciate the apology. Most of my loved ones do not want the vaccine, including my 73 year old mother. She's currently alone and confined to her apartment by the government. Socialising and playing cards with her friends is not allowed. It's for her own good, you see.

                • hoxygt on 13/07/2021 - 11:46
                  +2

                  @[Deactivated]: Because vaccination depends on community not individualism. The best COVID vacs are providing 90% protection so to squash COVID we need herd immunity (moooo). That might be 60, 70% vaccination rates to protect all including those who can't have vaccines.

                  So yes I 100% support choice and voluntary vaccination but with real evidence based information, not post truth era non truths

                  • robredo on 13/07/2021 - 15:24
                    +1

                    @hoxygt: Excuse my ignorance, but when you say 90% protection/efficacy- you do realise that’s based on relative risk reduction metrics?
                    Also, no one can say what the percentage required to reach herd immunity is because there are no studies to show by what degree vaccinated individuals are still shedding the virus. Herd immunity can be achieved either through natural infection or vaccination.

                    • hoxygt on 14/07/2021 - 12:51
                      +1

                      @robredo: I'm not sure what you mean "based on relative risk reduction metrics"? If you get COVID you're about 90% less likely to become symptomatic with the Pfizer-Biotech vaccine.

                      Yep 100% infection or vaccine will cause antibodies giving you protection. However there will be a larger cost to life and the economy if we use the natural path. Agree too regarding % required to reach herd immunity - that was a estimate based on US estimates to date.

                      • robredo on 14/07/2021 - 16:56
                        +1

                        @hoxygt: Let me explain the part about efficacy. Pfizer & Moderna ran their clinical trials in a way that ensured they would not have to answer the question of whether their vaccines actually save lives, when they asked for permission to sell their vaccines.

                        This statement I know runs contrary to what you’ve heard about vaccines, so let me explain.

                        Pfizer and Moderna ultimately reported 366 covid infections in their big trials (counting from 1-2weeks after the second shot, when the vaccines become fully effective). 19 of the infections occurred in people who received the vaccines. The other 347 occurred in people who got the placebo shots.

                        19 vs. 347. Those were the numbers the companies highlighted in November 2020 that excited the world. But what no one seemed to understand, then or now, was that those were not hospitalised patients much less people who needed intensive care or died. They were all mild or moderate cases- meaning a positive covid test along with symptoms such as cough or low grade fever.

                        Hope this clarifies efficacy for you.

                      • robredo on 14/07/2021 - 17:09
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                        @hoxygt: And let me just add that serious illness from covid in the trials was vanishingly rare- not just among people who received the vaccine but those who got the placebo. Out of more than 13,000 people in the Moderna trial who received the placebo, only 9 required hospitalisation for covid. 1 Moderna placebo patient died of covid, the only patient to die of covid of all 70,000 people.

                        For Pfizer, only 9 placebo patients out of 20,000 became what the company defined as “severely” ill, compared with 1 vaccine recipient. The trials had almost exactly the same number of deaths in people who received the placebo or vaccine. No one died of covid in the Pfizer trial.

                        Counting every death for any cause, or “all cause mortality”, 8 people who received the vaccine died, compared with 11 who received the placebo. Given the size of the trials, that tiny difference offers absolutely no evidence to suggest the vaccines either save or cost lives, period.

                      • robredo on 14/07/2021 - 18:34
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                        @hoxygt: Now you might ask, well why did so few people die in the trials if covid has killed over 500,000 people in the US for instance? I.e. 1 out of every 600 people. Because both companies tested their vaccines mostly on healthy individuals and those under 65. They included only a few elderly people with serious medical conditions, who are the people far more likely to die from covid than anyone else. Only 1,700 of the 40,000 participants in the Pfizer trial were over 75. And only half of those received the vaccine. Worse, Pfizer enrolled only 5 people over the age of 85 in its trial- even though people that age make up one quarter to one half of all coronavirus deaths in most countries. For Moderna, the figures are similar.

      • [Deactivated] on 13/07/2021 - 11:28
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        In 2017 there were 1,255 deaths due to influenza (Influenza and COVID-19 are both contagious respiratory illnesses). The flu kills almost 4% per 100,000, Covid far less. Many flu patients were treated in our ICU departments, including young people. Enlighten us all as to why there were no government mandated lockdowns?

        • hypie on 13/07/2021 - 11:39
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          You chose to quote the ABS statistics and deliberately left out the next two sentences which answers your own question.

          Read the whole page. Then look through some papers on Covid-19, then come back to me.

          Here is the link if you are reciting something from the Covid deniers handbook.

          https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Lookup/by%20Subject…

          • [Deactivated] on 13/07/2021 - 11:42
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            @hypie: You don't get to dictate the lives of others. Do you ever wonder how you arrived at this point on your life where you believe that you should be able to?

              • [Deactivated] on 13/07/2021 - 11:50

                @hypie: I'm a senior registered nurse. But you have a university degree "in this field" so I stand corrected.

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