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Apple MacBook Pro 16 Inch (2020) i9/32G/1T/Radeon Pro 5500M 8GB $2788 (RRP $5149) + Delivery (Free C&C) @ The School Locker

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Apple MacBook Pro 16 Inch (2020) i9/32G/1T/Radeon Pro 5500M 8GB $2788 (RRP $5149) + Delivery (Free C&C) @ The School Locker
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Andrew Corry on 10/01/2022 - 16:04 theschoollocker.com.au (2020 clicks)
Last edited 10/01/2022 - 16:24 by 2 other users

Nearly the max Config of the non-M1 chip model. Half-priced of the original price.

Would only recommend for people who really want the bootcamp for “gaming" and specific apps not supported by M1/MacOS

Still a good price considering this is the last intel chip MBP and the new MBP is kinda pricey.

Bear in mind this model does not come with mini-LED display plus this seller has bad reviews reported from previous OZB

Pics and description on the School Locker webpage should be an error, I looked up the detailed spec according to the SKU.

That’s why I am saying this seller was not great…

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  • Omk4r123 on 10/01/2022 - 16:12

    How's the battery life?

    • pizzaguy on 10/01/2022 - 17:17
      +5

      Surely not as good as the base model - maxxed out Intel MBPs tend to get hot, so use more energy to cool, so you won't squeeze all the advertised hours out of it.

      But you're getting that white noise from the fan in the background and nice heater on your lap.

    • ozmian on 10/01/2022 - 18:48
      +7

      My 2019 i7 lasts two hours on zoom…

  • blackfrancis75 on 10/01/2022 - 16:14
    +1

    much better to stay away from M1 until all the software works

    • Omk4r123 on 10/01/2022 - 16:16

      RAM is 32gb. Graphics RAM is 8gb

    • coxymla on 10/01/2022 - 16:16

      It has 32GB of RAM, the Radeon 5500M has 8GB of VRAM.

    • WhiteEvo6 on 10/01/2022 - 16:17
      +10

      Software works fine

    • sertse on 10/01/2022 - 16:24
      -1

      does the M1 allow dual monitors yet. I need my screens

      • Mitch889 on 10/01/2022 - 16:31
        +9

        No such limitation with M1 Pro/Max.

        https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/macbook-pro/apd8cdd74f…

      • netsurfer on 10/01/2022 - 16:56
        +1

        Mac Mini M1, since you have to use external monitors, supports Thunderbolt (or USB-C alt-mode) + HDMI.
        Macbook Pro / Air M1, only Thunderbolt (or USB-C alt-mode) officially. It is possible to workaround it via DisplayLink (though some graphics features will most likely not work on the screens through DisplayLink).

        M1 Pro: supports Thunderbolt (or USB-C alt-mode) + 1 HDMI. Total external = 2.
        M1 Max: supports 2 Thunderbolt (or USB-C alt-mode) + 1 HDMI. Total external = 3.
        You could use DisplayLink hack for more if you want.

        The fun will come when the 8K push arrives in the next year or two. M1 is limited to 6K max, which is plenty for now.

    • doobey1231 on 10/01/2022 - 16:51
      +3

      This really comes down to what you use for mac for.. they have been out for ages at this point, everything that most mac users use their macs for have come over to support apple silicon. If you are still waiting for software to be optimised for M1 at this point then chances are an M1 powered macbook is not the right choice for you.

      I bought the MBA on release and had a few issues in the first few months, I have since not had a single issue with compatibility.

    • noren7 on 10/01/2022 - 17:13
      +2

      I fully disagree! A lot of things over the past year have been updated to run natively – the only thing I've noticed that I'm missing out on is the lack of bootcamp. macOS has had a lot of arm-related bug fixes lately and runs without issues

      • jace88 on 10/01/2022 - 17:58
        +1

        I even made the jump to parallels to run Windows 11 on ARM and am happily emulating old Windows games too eg total annihilation. It is funny that this works but the old Mac version of TA won't run under Rosetta2.

  • annarchon on 10/01/2022 - 16:14
    +7

    plus this seller has bad reviews reported from previous OZB

    You mean how Harvey Norman claimed jobkeeper and then wanted parents to volunteer for free at their stores?

    Bad reviews? Who knew?

  • wippy on 10/01/2022 - 16:15

    that is actually a pretty amazing price for this laptop…..

  • kungfuman on 10/01/2022 - 16:19
    +8

    yeah if you care about battery life and over heating issues leading to i9 drop in performance then this laptop is for you.

  • contro3ler on 10/01/2022 - 16:21
    +1

    Why does the picture on the site show the newer, M1 Pro/Max model?

    • kungfuman on 10/01/2022 - 16:22

      lol yep saw that, people will be tricked into thinking its the new model.

    • Andrew Corry on 10/01/2022 - 16:23

      pic and description should be an error, I looked up the detailed spec according to the SKU.

      That’s why I am saying this seller was not great…

  • kungfuman on 10/01/2022 - 16:24
    -3

    I wouldn't buy a 2 year old laptop though.

    • pharcyde on 10/01/2022 - 16:29
      +19

      2 year old Windows laptop - no.

      2 year old MPB - yes.

    • samuria on 10/01/2022 - 16:33
      +3

      i just bought a 2015 macbook pro, works flawlessly and its pretty quick!

    • Buy2Much on 10/01/2022 - 16:39
      +2

      2 years old laptop is fine as long as it has the right specs at the right price. This price for these specs seems right.

  • [Deactivated] on 10/01/2022 - 16:26
    +1

    It’s a good laptop but it struggles with thermals when two external displays are connected… it’d a bit annoying

  • A female dog on 10/01/2022 - 16:26
    +3

    Nearly thought it was the latest 16” M1 max at that price and nearly fell off my chair

    • tharlow on 10/01/2022 - 17:34

      Lack of comprehension can be dangerous!

  • SS625 on 10/01/2022 - 16:28
    +6

    Had the low end mbp16. Sold it 3 months and replaced with MBA m1. The air is faster, lighter, cooler, better battery life. Don't buy non m1 apple anymore

  • Hobbes on 10/01/2022 - 16:29
    +1

    I'd be checking if this is new stock, from previous experience with this co. some of their stand out deals have ended up being display stock.

  • vchoy on 10/01/2022 - 16:31
    +2

    this thing gets hot

  • misterpotatomato on 10/01/2022 - 16:31
    +6

    The unfortunate truth is that this is a legacy product. Spending $2788 on something that has a guaranteed end date of software support is probably not a good idea.

    It's essentially the same as buying a PowerPC powered Mac when they had already made the switch to Intel. At some point, macOS is not going to come out for Intel Macs anymore. Granted, it will be a long time (probably about five years or so) but it's definitely going to happen.

    Lastly, these macs could never keep any kind of intel chip cool. An i9 at full tilt will heat up the chassis and run the fans almost nonstop. Using an intel mac as a laptop isn't enjoyable simply because of how hot they get when under load.

    To compare, I used to have an i5 MacBook Pro with 8GB of RAM. The aluminium bar above the function row would frequently get too hot to touch. The underside would also get considerably warm.

    Now, I have the 16 inch M1 mac, and no matter what I am doing, even if I am exporting 4k60 footage from Final Cut Pro, I never hear the fans turn on. It's a night and day difference.

    Final point - I think this mac also has the much maligned butterfly keyboard that gets jammed super easy.

    My advice: Even if you have to get the 14-inch M1 MacBook Pro, you should not buy an Intel mac today, unless you have very specific needs. Education store and discounted gift cards should bring you close-ish to this price anyway.

    • dogsryummy on 10/01/2022 - 16:33

      Thankfully no butterfly keyboard

    • Mitch889 on 10/01/2022 - 16:38

      All products will be end of life at some point. If you need an Intel machine for whatever reason this is a pretty great deal on a new one. Education store isn’t even close to this sort of price.

      And no, it doesn’t have the maligned butterfly keyboard. I had one of these 16-inch models and the keyboard was fine.

    • misterpotatomato on 10/01/2022 - 16:51

      I was wrong - it doesn't have the butterfly keyboard, as people have pointed out. Can't edit the post.

    • eagerfisherman on 10/01/2022 - 16:59

      If you want to make an M1 Pro hot, just play a game. Also kiss that battery life goodbye.

    • netsurfer on 10/01/2022 - 17:08
      +1

      OP did mention what this is for. Essentially if you need to use bootcamp. Another possible usage is that you still have applications which are still not available for M1 natively (i.e. docker with images which are still x86 based).

      While M1 Pro and Max are pretty good, they did benefit from M1 being the guinea pig. The Thunderbolt 4 chipset is still from Intel. Also, there is still a little bit of Apple's way or the high way. M1 Mac Mini USB-A ports are still USB 3.0 only. Also, all this Thunderbolt 4 hype… honestly, I would be surprised if there is no new revision of Thunderbolt 4 by the time M2 or M3 arrives. So, the DisplayPort version mess will happen again. We are currently mostly on DP 1.4, but DP 2.0 support has been added to USB 4 (and no, Apple hasn't put that in).

      So this Apple silicon first gen is so great…. well, for now, maybe yes. However, once the new revision of Thunderbolt 4 lands, will you be still be happy with M1 Pro / M1 Max? Also, the minor details. The HDMI port on M1 Pro / Max is likely restricted to 4K 8-bit HDR (which is probably fine for general use). The Thunderbolt / USB-C (alt-mode) does offer 4K-6K 10-bit HDR. However, when a USB-C hub is being used, the bandwidth cut (due to the need to still offer USB 3.0 ports) means 4K 10-bit WITHOUT HDR (which does get a bit annoying). Perhaps the Thunderbolt 3/4 based hubs don't have such limitation, but I don't have one to verify. Anyway, I don't think Apple lets you choose between 8-bit or 10-bit mode (it chooses it for you).

      Realistically, we probably would prefer Thunderbolt 5 (and hopefully, that being PCIe gen 5 based or at least PCIe gen 4 based). Thunderbolt 4 being PCIe gen 3 based just doesn't feel right in 2022. I guess DP 2.0 support (when it is implemented in the later Thunderbolt 4 chipsets) will help, but it is so frustrating that another set of dongles will be inevitable.

  • keanoobreaves on 10/01/2022 - 16:32
    +4

    pretty sure the Base M1 MacBook air 13 can outperform the top I9 of this laptop. The M1 MacBook's completely made the Intel based MacBook's irrelevant and redacted which sucks for people who bought the Intel ones since their resale prices have dropped completely down the drain. Find below the I9 vs the Base m1 chip in Single and multicore.

    https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i7-9750h-vs…

    • raptormesh on 10/01/2022 - 16:35
      +6

      This is correct. My lead dev friend basically said his M1 macbook air 16GB is much faster than his 2019 16" MBP. Now he doubts he even needs an M1P MBP lol.

    • guidedlight on 10/01/2022 - 16:39

      I would believe that, and the MacBook Air M1 doesn’t even have a fan. Whereas the MacBook Pro i9 is a toaster oven.

      It’s incredible,

      • keanoobreaves on 10/01/2022 - 16:46

        Yeah kinda sucks if you bought an Intel Macbook Pro since apple designed something so revolutionary. The resale price for us consumers has gone completely down the drain. I bought a Macbook Pro 15' 2018 Model with an I9 processor in 2019 for 4300 and now it's worth 1500. For an apple product this price depreciation is unheard of since these products seem to keep their value very well.

        • netsurfer on 10/01/2022 - 18:01

          I think Apple crippled Intel Macbook Pros towards the end. Technically, Apple could have added 4 USB-A 3.1 gen 2 ports to Intel Macbook Pros since the Intel chipset used supports that. However, that would mean M1 would need to match. Refusing to put back MagSafe (and kept it for M1 Pro / Max) shows that Apple had a plan all alone.

          Also, the use of USB-C/alt-mode DP 1.4 is frustrating, especially when a hub is used (even in the M1 space). I doubt Apple will support USB 3.2 gen 2x2 and will continue to push customers down the Thunderbolt path.

          I use both Macs and PCs and I certainly want PC to do better (to keep Apple honest). What Apple did for M1 clearly was strategic. Apple done just enough for it, rather than push it all the way. Maybe part of the reason is to make M1 Pro and Max look better.

          • guidedlight on 10/01/2022 - 18:37

            @netsurfer: I think the whole ARM architecture thing is completely revolutionary.

            I realised today I can save US$19k/yr by switching an Postgres RDS instance to ARM Graviton, with no loss of performance or functionality.

            Intel (and even AMD) is quickly becoming obsolete outside of PC architecture. PC architecture will follow eventually too.

            • netsurfer on 10/01/2022 - 20:17

              @guidedlight: It's basically RISC based architecture. RISC used to be quite popular in UNIX workstations and servers. The main issue I have with Apple M1 series is not the CPU (let's face it, we get M1 mainly because of the CPU), it is the other parts. For M1 based devices, the I/O is essentially handled by a Thunderbolt chipset from "Intel".

              Do you know why Apple refers M1 USB support as USB 4 (Thunderbolt 3)? It's just pure frustration when you have Mac Intel and Mac M1 devices and they don't behave the same when you use a USB-C monitor. Also, do you have 100% trouble free bluetooth with your M1?

              Postgres RDS instance, unless I can move everything to ARM on AWS, it is still not quite there yet. Are you seriously going to tell me all your docker images for work are all ARM based now? I get the saving on RDS, but that's an AWS managed service, so it is a bit too convenient to use it to indicate Apple M1 is ready to completely take over.

              We are finally seeing Intel releasing something that's roughly TSMC 7nm equivalent. M1 is already on TSMC 5nm. My 3 years old PC has 64GB RAM, multiple m.2 NVMe SSDs, multiple SATA SSDs. Even the too little too late 11th gen Intel NUC can do 4 x 4K monitors, but our super duper M1 can only do 2 displays (one being internal if it is a MBA or MBP).

              Sure, the CPU is amazing, but let us (customers) leverage it fully. Don't charge me some crazy price for extra 8GB RAM or 256GB extra SSD storage. Furthermore, let's not forget, we are NOT completely Intel free in M1 world. That Thunderbolt chipset IS from INTEL and that's part of my frustration. First gen Thunderbolt 4 chipset just feels very Thunderbolt 3 like.

              I have an M1 device, but I am not completely just look at the pros and completely ignore the cons.

    • netsurfer on 10/01/2022 - 17:58

      In general usage, M1 is faster. However, for multiple external displays, and USB-C performance, i9 is still better.

      I don't exactly know what's the issue with the Intel Thunderbolt chipset in M1 (so that in compatibility mode, the USB transfer speed is subpar) and I don't get why Apple wouldn't provide one more DisplayPort support so that M1 can support 2 external displays + HDMI (used by the internal display).

  • cosmickinect on 10/01/2022 - 16:34

    Ive got a pretty high spec'd one. It runs hot! If you get one get turbo switcher so it locks the ghz to ~2.3. Makes it run cooler.

  • Neology on 10/01/2022 - 16:35

    Although it is showing “in stock”, I can’t add in cart showing “The requested quantity for "Apple CTO MACBOOK PRO 16-INCH WITH TOUCH BAR - SPACE GREY" is not available.” hence unable to checkout.
    All stores are showing “out of stock”.

    • Buy2Much on 10/01/2022 - 16:42

      Yes only one place had stock around the time of posting. They probably had 1, or 2 LOL.

      • Andrew Corry on 10/01/2022 - 17:01

        Yes only Uni of Newcastle has stock at time of posting.

  • Galvatron on 10/01/2022 - 16:42
    +2

    Also doubles as a stove top. These models run super hot.

    • shegeloaf on 10/01/2022 - 17:58

      Induction or electric?

  • doobey1231 on 10/01/2022 - 16:54
    +1

    It looks like a great deal on the surface but when the base model MBA can be had for 1400ish and outperforms this without setting your legs or desk on fire AND giving you enough battery life to browse social media when you get home. Unless you have a specific use case I don't think this is the deal that it looks like on the surface.

  • squaredonut on 10/01/2022 - 17:28
    +5

    I think people who have been using M1's for a year and haven't had much issues can confidently say they do not miss these Intel based macs. They are so hot. Man my M1 sometimes when I leave it idle and the screen turns off I thought the laptop's off, but nope just the screen off and it's running all my tasks at full.

    It's insane that people all over lived with laptops burning their laps/knees/nuts and just put it down to computers being computers. Definitely an eye opener for me.

    I also have a Dell inspirion for work, man I don't even know how Dell charges so much for rubbish, sure the Apple is probably 30-40% more in price, but way better value, granted we are dealing with macOS vs Windows.

    • jace88 on 10/01/2022 - 18:01

      If it's an enterprise machine it's probably got a lot of crap running in the background in a SOE particularly if your company uses a mix of brands and specs. Dell's enterprise fear is also significantly less sexy than their consumer stuff. Even in our workplace the apple machines have to run various enterprise software and restrictions which takes away some of the sheen of the MBP.

    • netsurfer on 10/01/2022 - 18:06
      -1

      Problem is, when you really use and test M1 carefully, especially in the 4K space, you start to run into annoying issues (and no, Apple shouldn't expect us to buy that expensive external Apple Pro XDR display monitor). It does feel more boxed in (to the Apple ecosystem).

      There are still some app issues (sure if you use mostly Apple apps, you are not going to have issues), but not everyone is in that situation. And, all these youTubers… they pretty much all moved to M1 Pro / Max. Are they finally going to tell you the issues they have/had with M1?

      Once you look at the tech side carefully, rather than just worshipping Apple non-stop, you can tell there are areas which are basically first gen of this new architecture. Heavily invest in M1 Pro / Max isn't that wise to be honest. Unless you are someone who are willing to sell and switch to M2 Pro/Max or M3 Pro/Max when they are available.

      • epicttiimm on 10/01/2022 - 18:24

        M1 works fine with any and all 4K monitors? Been using a M1 air for 1 year hooked up just fine to a Dell 4K monitor purchased on an Ozbargain deal

        Every computer will have its problems but in reality no one is telling you issues with the M1/Pro/Max because honestly there is little to complain.

        • netsurfer on 10/01/2022 - 19:44

          You are using a dongle right? Or, direct USB-C to USB-C? Is it 8-bit 4:4:4 or 10-bit with HDR?

          With direct USB-C to USB-C, without Thunderbolt support, if you want 10-bit + HDR, then there is zero USB 3.0 data bandwidth available, so it is limited to USB 2.0. If you want USB 3.0 data via that USB-C link, then there is no HDR.

      • Buy2Much on 10/01/2022 - 19:36

        I am using M1 with a 5k super ultra wide (49”) monitor and seems to work fine. I do notice that Lightroom classic sometimes slow down so much I have to restart the app. Looking at the system activity, nothing is overloaded (Cpu, disk, Ram). My guess is that Adobe have not fully ported their app to M1 properly. I don’t recall having that issue on my previous intel MacBook Pro 16”.

        • netsurfer on 10/01/2022 - 19:50

          Which monitor if you don't mind? Is it USB-C to USB-C? If yes, does that monitor support Thunderbolt 3 (or is USB-C/alt-mode based)? Are you using a dongle?

          I was referring to USB-C / alt-mode, the bandwidth mess. Sure, it is possible to give one port dedicated completely to Display, but that leaves 1 port remaining (for M1). I get Thunderbolt 3 monitors don't have this bandwidth mess (at least up to 6K). However, I would rather Apple open up the options and let me choose the colour depth. And, if USB 4.0 is quoted being supported, then do it in the most flexible manner.

          • Buy2Much on 10/01/2022 - 20:36

            @netsurfer: I am using Philips Brilliance 499p, usb-c with PD. It is not thunderbolt 3.

    • brosk1s on 10/01/2022 - 18:29
      +2

      The 13" M1 MBA and MBP are one of a kind, the new 14" and 16" MBPs run much hotter and Apple are back doing the same thing where they don't run the fans fast until it reaches like 95C and uncomfortable to use. The heat makes sense given M1 MBA and MBP SoC uses like 10W, but new MBPs up to 92W.

      That being said I'm probably one of the few people that sold my M1 MBA for the base i9/16GB/5500M 4GB 16" model when it was on clearance for $2197 or something and am really happy with the switch. The M1 MBA is much cooler, silent and still faster in Premiere Pro renders but I rarely use that for work and I don't notice the difference in photoshop & LRC, but I do appreciate the larger screen & bootcamp.

    • annarchon on 10/01/2022 - 21:07

      Your work went cheap and over paid for the consumer grade inspirions, latitudes are dell's enterprise grade.

  • mshanann on 10/01/2022 - 19:13

    This won't support Windows 11 due to TPM 2.0 right? My intel macbook pro 2019 supposedly does not.

  • Ayden T on 10/01/2022 - 20:01

    this model is good for people doing data-science machine learning with python, m1 still can't support a lot of the machine learning library. I am using a 16gb ram / 256ssd m1 mba which I think is best value (you can add usb hub for more storage but you can't do this with ram). 8gb ram is ok most of the time but using side-car alone can cost you 2gb of ram. Still miss having all python CUDA library usuable on the labtop so I can work on the go.

  • Julius on 10/01/2022 - 22:43

    Intel recently hired the engineer who developed the M1 chips lol.

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