Large capacity HDD for a good price. Less than $24 per TB.
Western Digital 8TB Blue 3.5in SATA 5640RPM Desktop Hard Drive (WD80EAZZ) $189 + Delivery ($0 C&C) @ Umart
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Dmz111 on 28/02/2022 - 22:31 umart.com.au (1647 clicks)
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VTEC kicked in, yo
lol my euro had that.
Next year we'll see 5642rpm
SMR?
Bought one thanks op.
Pcpartpicker doesn’t even have this drive listed. Looks like a new model?Ah CMR for sure? If use for personal computer, is it good enough or a NAS drive is still better to use? Thinking if I need a NAS drive for desktop use
WD80EAZZ is CMR, yes.
Probably worth noting that NAS drives typically have better nonrecoverable read error rates than these drives (usually by an order of magnitude, often 1 in 10^14 vs 1 in 10^15 but depends on the drive). It's probably also worth noting that NAS drives are typically louder (the 8TB Blue WD80EAZZ is rated for 25/30 dB idle/seek, where the 8TB Red Pro WD8003FFBX is rated at 29/36 dB respectively).
I'd say it's probably fine for desktop use if you need heaps of bulk storage. Just remember to keep important files backed up always (not only applicable to this situation).
So a NAS drive will still be more reliable for long term storage of files if I am willing to pay extra? Order of magnitude is still 10 times better?
On average, yes, a NAS drive has a manufacturer claim to higher reliability. These claims are just statistical however, just because the drive in this post has a claimed error rate of 1 sector per 10^14 bits read, does not mean you'll immediately get a URE after reading 10^14 bits (about 12 TB). It also doesn't necessarily guarantee that a given drive won't get a read error sooner than that. It's just a claim that, on average, disks of the same type as the one in this post will typically encounter an unreadable sector within that period.
The best and only way to ensure that you don't lose any data that's important to you is to have backups. A common technique is the 3-2-1 rule - three copies of your data, two of which are local and on different mediums/devices, one of which is stored off-site.
Thanks for the detailed info.
Would the seagate barracude 8tb offer better recovery rate or is that and this mostly the same except CMR v SMR?
Avoid barracuda for anything nas related.. They slow down like heck and are pretty unreliable.
(unless barracuda pro which you can only find from shucking so youre probably not talking about pro drives).
I wonder what happens on read errors in a mirrored array since we're talking NAS
I thought the point of NAS & a RAID array is that in the event data can't be read, it'll time out, and then use the parity bit/mirror to work out what it should be and move on, and also mark the sector as bad?
My guess is that whatever is managing your array would mark the sector as bad and then read the mirror to retrieve the data.
If you replace the disk with the bad sector, the array would read the second disk and write a fresh copy to the new disk. At this point, if you happen to encounter another URE, I believe your array would fail and you'd lose the data, but I could be wrong on that.
If you're serious about NAS, you should use a redundant disk (pool) configuration other than RAID0 (mirror). My recommendation is RAID5 or RAID6 (RAIDZ1 or RAIDZ2 if you have TrueNAS/FreeNAS).
In case of ZFS (RAIDZ1), you won't see any read errors as that will be taken care of (as mentioned below) by the disk, bad block management.
@vrsac: I'm fairly sure RAID0 is a stripe, where data is spread across multiple disks. This gives you the combined speed of multiple disks reading and writing simultaneously, but means a failure on any drive causes you to lose your data (hence I don't really consider it RAID - it's not redundant at all).
RAID1 would be a mirror, where the same data is written to multiple disks, thus giving you improved read speed (data can be read from all the disks in the array), but no improvement in write performance over a single disk (all disks need to have the same data written to them).
Combine the two for RAID10 where you mirror your striped disks, and you give RAID0 some form of redundancy.
Given the disk in this post is an 8TB disk, I'm not sure that either RAID5 or RAIDZ1 are sound suggestions, as your chance of having an error during a resilver taking your entire pool offline becomes higher and higher with larger disks when you've only got one disk worth of redundancy. I'd probably aim for RAID6 or RAIDZ2 at minimum if going that route. Some might find a use case for striped mirror(s) instead due to better performance, but lower resilience than RAIDZ2.
If using it in a NAS (and its not recommended) - you’d definitely want to buy a pair and mirror them in a 2 bay NAS. Gives you better protection.
Should I get this or just shuck a WD 8tb white drive for NAS?
always shuck,
shuck for value
shuck for da gamble
shuck for lifeshuck shuck shuck
What shuckable drives contain WD 8TB NAS drives?
https://www.amazon.com.au/Elements-Desktop-External-Hard-Dri…
Never guaranteed of course but these will most likely contain a white label (red) drive, mine did.
@robeh: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/562290
What kind of ozbargainer are you?! 😂 Of course you can get them much cheaper!
This was from 1.5yrs ago but they will get there again.
The Seagate Barracuda 8TB is $185 atm on ebay from computer alliance.
It was actually cheaper few days ago with after pay, I paid $175 delivered.
Drive is SMR for Seagate. I'll go the WD as they've lasted me decades. Seagate have always failed from my own experience.
5600 rpm thats going to be one slow arse hard drive. the very minimum RPM for any hard drive should be 7200rpm.
and at least 128kb cache any less than this is a slow arse harddrive that isn't worth getting. even for backups.If it's for bulk storage of media predominantly used for streaming videos to devices its perfectly fine to have 5400rpm drives. Some people prefer this to the less heat/lower noise.
Excellent. Was searching something for offline backups and this fits the bill. I can backup my triple mirror 4tb array and this will pay itself in less than a year!
$299 now :(
Still showing as $189 on my end, I think your looking at the amazon link. This link is https://www.umart.com.au/product/western-digital-8tb-blue-3-…
Going to have to seriously contemplate this one.
Thanks OP got one
Is it ok if I put this HDD in a case to use for KODI on raspberry pi, and if yes, what case would you recommend?
great storage option for my prone collection.
Large drives are prone to cause lack of discernment.
I thought it's spelt - pr0n
Best drive for desktop storage?
Thanks OP. Will do as a nice offsite back drive for my 9GB NAS.
You should probably upgrade that!
Ha, took me a few mins to spot what you meant. Righto….. I have ugraded between then and now to 9TB :-)
I've built a 2nd NAS for backups. You set automatic replication between the two. Set-it-and-forget-it solution
Yeah but where is your second NAS located? If on premises, then both are lost in case of theft or fire.
I also use a second NAS however my intentions are to stick this 8TB in it, run a Rsync between the two every couple of weeks and in between runs, to store offsite. Offsite = Garage in my case as not part of the house. Purpose: In case house burns down then at least have a fairly recent copy.
I do remote replication to another TrueNAS server over Internet. I guess 15km distance should be safe unless we get hit by a meteor :-)
Is this helium hdd? That loud one?
Nope. Regardless, I thought the Helium based ones were quieter (less friction)? From what I read around the traps, these Blues are not the quietest?
Anything 10gb or above are helium hdd and loud.
8gb we need to check there are both versions
Costs me $195 with delivery to WA.
$195 with free (probably quicker) delivery for this Seagate Barracuda 8TB from Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B075WYBQXJAny reason to choose one over the other?
The reviews on Amazon were enough to turn me off the Seagate and go with this WD.
the seagate one is SMR HDD. WD is CMR. this is big difference. SMR cannot be used in raid environment and will slow down dramatically when you reached to certain % of drive capacity
Shame that they shipped from Adelaide yet stock avail in Syd. ETA delivery next Wed 9th -> Fri 11th (says tracking). Should have just driven 20mins and collected.
Oh and why does it say deal is expired as still shows as $189 and avail?
Probably because when the deal was initially posted there was an expiry on the "hot deal" of yesterday. Seems to have updated itself for another week.
Thanks Op,
Bought one as cheap storage. Can't justify paying $100 more for the Red Plus.
5640rpm? That's oddly specific