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            • lew380 on 17/03/2022 - 11:29

              @Punkboy: Oh stop feigning insult, this is the internet, im not married to you. The ukrainians are corrupt morons who started a war with russia and are now paying the price. Were you crying when ukrainians were murdering ethnic russians? Ukraine has the power to bring russia to its knees and they were threatening to join nato and install nato nukes just a few miles from moscow, they are that stupid!

              The russians aren't lesser humans who "deserve to have their children murdered"(ukrainian media propoganda). Im no fan of putin, but when push comes to shove, he has to protect his borders from NATO invasion, real or perceived. All super powers would do the same.

              • Punkboy on 17/03/2022 - 11:35
                +1

                @lew380: You mean when Russian forces were embedded in Donbas to create civil war and Ukrainians had the temerity to defend themselves? I think you need to come to grips with who is actually attacking who, as you seem to think Ukrainian tanks are rolling in to Moscow right now.

                • lew380 on 17/03/2022 - 13:35

                  @Punkboy: Your mixing truth with ideology. Go back another few years when NATO/US overthrew the pro-russian government and installed another nato puppet. Ironically enough, they actually used an actor! Then when you look at donbass and civil war, it started with nato aggression.

                  Your looking at events through very subjective lens, ignoring all nato involvement, then looking at russias response and just declaring them war criminals. They are responding to nato aggression, i don't like russia, but they are just responding to nato aggression. You can do the same in Crimea and keep going back, ukraine stir the bear, then cry as the victim when he bites. I call that self inflicted wounds.

              • alexshel on 17/03/2022 - 13:00
                +1

                @lew380: Russians (like Germans during Nazi euphoria time) are totally brainwashed by a much stronger and powerful Poo-tin's propaganda machine than Hitler had. It is hard to disbelieve for them what they've been told - not just via TV, also via social, web, word of mouth of those who knows their "truth".
                Poo-tin turned it to a country of lies! I hope this propaganda system will fail sooner or later. Hopefully not as a result of a nuklear war.

                • lew380 on 17/03/2022 - 13:41

                  @alexshel: The west is probably as bad or even worse than russia, i see what your saying but we are being misled just as hard. We are recycling cold war nonsense atm. Everything russia does is evil why we surround them with nukes and puppet dictators.

        • bargaino on 14/03/2022 - 11:03
          +1

          Iraq (second time) was wrong. But by God I hate "whataboutism".

          Whattabout the Assyrian invasion of Sumeria, eh?

    • Tyrx on 12/03/2022 - 13:03
      -1

      Ukraine doesn't exist for the purpose of eradicating Russia. Palestine does exist for the purpose of eradicating Israel. The conflicts are completely different.

      • ChipsChicky on 12/03/2022 - 13:16
        +10

        Ukraine leaning towards NATO, is seen as a plan to eradicate Russia by Putin. Now US and NATO has left pleading Ukraine alone to suffer and distributing free stickers.

        Israel came into existence to eradicate Palestine rather than the opposite you are trying to imply. Palestinians were living there from 1000s of years whereas there was no Israel before 1948. Correct your facts.

          • ChipsChicky on 12/03/2022 - 13:49
            +6

            @Tyrx: look at your both comments, ousts yourself as someone arguing with bad faith.

            • Tyrx on 12/03/2022 - 21:44
              +1

              @ChipsChicky: You're free to have that opinion, but the Ukrainian situation is significantly different from the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The differences in the justification of the aggressor actions in the Ukrainian situation is black and white, but that's not so much for the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The only similarity the two conflicts really have in reality might be in some of the rhetoric, namely the "guidebook" for Russian geopolitical desires and the Hamas charter:

              Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics – The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia

              The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim). – Hamas Charter, 7th Article"

              The correlation (however loose) is that Russia wants to destroy the identity of Ukraine, while Palestine (aka Hamas as the identity of the Palestinian nation was built around them) wants to destroy Judaism. You can also dig up similar statements by some Jewish rabis, although they tend not to be so explicit about and their views aren't as representative in Israeli citizens compared to Palestinian citizens .

              As a general rule of thumb, anyone who is on the "side" of Israel or Palestine has in all likelihood done very little research and/or has swallowed misinformation. Anyone who is even researched even somewhat authoritative sources recognise it's a (profanity), and the lines between who is "right" in terms of their justification is very blurry. I'll leave the discussion there though - I know that OzBargain isn't the best space to debate nuanced topics like this. ;)

              • ChipsChicky on 13/03/2022 - 14:08
                +3

                @Tyrx: You need to do research yourself. That's not self written charter of Hammas, that's a valid saying of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Israel coming into existence is itself mentioned, its expansion up to Makkah and Medina is also in prophecy and then thr destruction as per the above quote is in prophecy.

                Thr problem was that they were waiting for the last Prophet to come from them, as all the Prophets before Muhammad (PBUH) were from them but the last Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) came from Ishmael (PBUH) rather Isaac (PBUH), they were unable to digest it due to thr pride and till this date they are unable to digest this fact.

                • Tyrx on 13/03/2022 - 14:31
                  +1

                  @ChipsChicky: I'm well aware that it's a hadith, and that fact does not ignore how repulsive it is to call for the annihilation of an entire peoples. The inclusion of it in the charter supports the inherently rotten values and ideals of the old men who wrote that passage to stoke genocidal acts while hiding behind the façade of such actions being supported by a deity. The fact that the modern Palestinian state has incorporated this into their charter has no parallel in modern global politics.

                  • ChipsChicky on 13/03/2022 - 15:25
                    +2

                    @Tyrx: lolx, you must be one of them with crocodile tears, what would you say for ethnic cleaning of Palestinians, its all over the internet how they are stealing people houses.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqozQ8uaV8&ab_channel=AJ%2B

                    The guy shamelessly said that if I don't steal it, then someone else will.

                    Muhammad (PBUH) didn't call for thr ethnic cleansing or it would have been much easier at earlier times. Thr increased cruelty will result in thr cleansing which is getting evident with the passage of time.

          • slipperypete on 12/03/2022 - 15:13
            -2

            @Tyrx: all I hear is "blah blah blah"

        • bob19 on 12/03/2022 - 23:11
          +2

          Study history first and correct your facts.

      • Psygnosis on 12/03/2022 - 13:33
        +24

        Oh shut up, Israel has caused much more destruction and is responsible for far more terrorist attacks on Palestinians, yet they’re given a free pass because the US allows them to.

        • firestormil1 on 12/03/2022 - 16:42
          +7

          Exactly this - if US had stopped supplying weapons to Israel this Israel/Palestine conflict would have been over long time ago. But hey it's so cool to have defacto NATO force in middle east :)

          Same issue in Ukraine - supplying weapons to combatants regardless who is right or wrong only provokes more deaths.

          • Jackson on 13/03/2022 - 20:22
            +1

            @firestormil1: Israel is supplied $3.8B USD annually in weapons by the US as the single largest foreign aid the US gives any country, or that any country receives for that matter. They aren't solving hunger or peace, they are supplying weapons to a vassal state. A state who's main threat are a bunch of people throwing rocks and with missiles that are nearly useless.

            Now we have to ask is that what we want Ukraine to become? A vassal state of the largest nuclear power on the border of another nuclear power that the first is aggressive against?

      • garage sale on 12/03/2022 - 18:47
        +2

        i think palestinians want their land back ….. i don’t think israel existed before WWII …..

        • bob19 on 12/03/2022 - 23:29
          +1

          HaHaHaHa
          You really need to study history…
          The Kingdom of Israel existed in the 11th and 10th centuries BCE.
          Here's something to help you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_…

          Palestine is a geographic region in Western Asia and there have never been a state of Palestine until 1988 when Chairman of the PLO Yasser Arafat proclaimed the establishment of the State of Palestine.
          Here's something to help you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine

          • greatlamp on 13/03/2022 - 08:09
            +2

            @bob19: Have you ever considered that it's possible for both sides to have a valid claim on the land?

            The Palestinians are related to middle eastern Jews, proven by modern DNA testing. They are both indigenous to the land. https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/palestinians-and-…

            The closest genetic relatives of the Middle Eastern Jews are Druze, Bedouin and Palestinians. The closest genetic relatives of the European group of Jews are Northern Italians, followed by Sardinians and French.

            The ongoing conflict is a land grab, the wealthy vs the impoverished. Nothing more.

            European Jews move to Israel, settlements are built on Palestinian land. These are the only facts that matter. What dead people did 1000 years ago is irrelevant.

            Nothing in the history books provides any justification. It's all propaganda you've been fed since childhood.

          • ChipsChicky on 13/03/2022 - 18:58
            +1

            @bob19: Imagine someone knocks on your door that his 2000 yr old book says that his ancestors lived here so your house belongs to him, you may depart happily. Thats what happening thr. Stop fooling people. ❌

            • bob19 on 14/03/2022 - 02:53
              -3

              @ChipsChicky: Study history. The state of Palestine never existed in the history of mankind until the terrorist Yasser Arafat proclaimed the establishment of the State of Palestine in 1988.
              Jews and Arabs lived on this land for two thousand years.
              You may also want to learn that in 1948 UN planned to divide the land called Palestine into an Arab state and a Jewish state. However the neighbouring Arab states refused to create the Arab state and instead attacked new state of Israel immediately after the Israeli Declaration of Independence had been issued.
              You may also want to learn what Jordan did to the palestinians, to learn how many were killed and how many were kicked out of Jordan and what for.

              • ChipsChicky on 14/03/2022 - 12:55
                +1

                @bob19: As per 1922 censes, there were only 11% Jews in that region and 89% Arabs. The ones living there for generations, having thr houses should live with peace but are you trying to justify the mass mobilization of Jews who are snatching houses of local Palestinians ?

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqozQ8uaV8&ab_channel=AJ%2B

                The guy shamelessly said that if I don't steal it, then someone else will.

    • Ulysses31 on 12/03/2022 - 15:33
      +5

      Free Gluten!!

    • striker5950 on 12/03/2022 - 17:09
      +5

      Palestine does not exist on google maps, no one bats an eye. if you speak u get cancelled..

    • bernardz on 12/03/2022 - 18:27

      Palestine is refusing to support the Ukraine.

      • Jackson on 13/03/2022 - 20:27

        Most probably because they know what it's like having a lobal colonial power (the US) funding someone on your doorstep who oppresses you. How could they support it in good conscience?

      • alexshel on 13/03/2022 - 21:07
        -1

        Ukraine doesn't have "the". Would you say the Australia?

  • Sgios74 on 12/03/2022 - 12:31
    +4

    Can we get an order for "I Support US and Bidens Biolabs"

    • neonlight on 12/03/2022 - 12:35
      +6

      I smell CCP supporters

      • elseye on 12/03/2022 - 12:50

        Most ppls do not care whom to be supported. So long as the gov cares its nation's ppls, then it is good gov. Otherwise who care what its title represents! Never trust the brainwash medias!

      • Creamsoda on 12/03/2022 - 12:59
        +4

        didn't know Victoria Nuland was a CCP supporter? she lying under oath?
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2cwGscanAg
        Even if there is bio weapons labs funded by the CIA in Ukraine it doesn't excuse the invasion just like WMD in Iraq but to lie about its existence or deny that the US are researching bio weapons is too far fetched.

        • StorminNorman on 12/03/2022 - 14:18
          +3

          What's with the Russian talking points? The world has gone mad.

        • BrokeCamel on 12/03/2022 - 17:12
          +1

          Did you just unironically link Fox News as a source? Lol.

          • Creamsoda on 12/03/2022 - 17:44
            +1

            @BrokeCamel: yea i linked US propaganda. i'm afraid to be called a CCP shill, wumao, Russian bot if my source isn't from the USA MSM. you know the labels like "infidels" ISIS call others when their views don't align with their own.

            i believe US claims they don't do bioweapon research in their biolabs as much as CCP claim they don't do bioweapon research.

    • jellical on 12/03/2022 - 14:00
      +8

      Just so you know, Russian propaganda is showing that some of these "biolabs" are supported by Australia. Not just Biden.

  • Gigrantor on 12/03/2022 - 12:32
    +1

    I'm glad that the colour of this mask is black and white because that is a good metaphor for this current situation….

  • Japius on 12/03/2022 - 12:39
    -8

    Won’t let you customise them meh

  • Herbse on 12/03/2022 - 12:40
    +12

    Take that, Russia.

  • MXsoul on 12/03/2022 - 12:42
    +21

    Can we get one for Palestine, Iran, Iraq, Uyghur and all the other places where there is massacre and wars!

    World needs peace and not wars or proxy wars!!

    • snowbeauty on 12/03/2022 - 12:56
      -8

      Another neat example of whataboutism

      • firestormil1 on 12/03/2022 - 13:07
        +19

        neat example how to avoid uncomfortable topic - Yemen is being bombed daily with more than 377000 people killed so far according to UN report. These double standards are simply disgusting - but hey whataboutism is a superior argument….

        • jellical on 12/03/2022 - 14:02
          +4

          So should we just let Russia attack Ukraine to avoid double standards?

          • Jackson on 12/03/2022 - 15:11
            +8

            @jellical: No we shouldn't, but we should ask ourselves why is the US so concerned about Ukrainians over Palestinians, Yemenis, Iranians, Iraqis…

            Everyone loves to jump on a bandwagon but doesn't stop to ask these important questions.

            • jellical on 12/03/2022 - 15:40
              +6

              @Jackson: Russia is attacking peaceful Ukraine right now (and actually was doing so for the last 8 years). I am Russian/Australian and I can't really understand how exactly the US or Europe's opinion on this war or whatever terrible things people were doing in the past or will be doing in the future is related.

              Russian soldiers are dying (and part of them are 18-22 yo kids who don't even know what they are fighting for, because they were forced to do so). Ukrainian citizens are being killed for nothing. My friends are in danger now (friends from Donetsk who have never ever seen any Nazis in Ukraine) And my own Mother is saying that Putin is doing the right thing (attacking Kiev while my partner was there) because of all this Russian propaganda.

              I really don't know why exactly we should ask ourselves about the US concerns. Or what it has to do with jumping on a bandwagon.

              • firestormil1 on 12/03/2022 - 16:24
                +1

                @jellical: Nice try, let's assume everything is russian propaganda.
                No nazis? How about all the parades of 14th Division of SS in Kyev every year? SS emblems and flags carried. All available on national TV and youtube.
                Bandera proclaimed as national hero by ukranian president is definitely not nazi - my grandparents from Poland still remember why he was jailed there.
                ukranian president poroshenko saying on tv that "our kids will go to school and theirs will sill in the bombshell" is not nazi.
                ukranian president zelensky derogatory saying on TV that " there are humans but these are not humans but rather species" is not nazi at all.
                zelensky asking everyone to get assault rifles and handing out to the general population is not nazi.
                asking the population to kill russian soldiers is not nazi - isn't it obvious that anyone carrying a weapon/molotov coctail will be killed on the spot?
                calling molotov coctail "bandera smoothy" is not nazi. Show this to your polish friends they will appreciate this high quality joke.
                It's all available on youtube in public access - don't thank me.
                It's called DYO research and don't eat any propaganda

                • striker5950 on 12/03/2022 - 17:11

                  @firestormil1: putin needs to kill every last one of those nazi bastards, search up the group you will see what they're all about.

                • FabMan on 12/03/2022 - 18:16
                  +3

                  @firestormil1: There is strong racists and Nazi's in Ukraine, but it isn't a Nazi government, their leader is Jewish for goodness sake. Defending your country from murderous invaders is not acting Nazi, it is a nation defending itself.

                  • striker5950 on 13/03/2022 - 11:57
                    -1

                    @FabMan: no you are not reading properly.. i never said the leader is a nazi, yes he is jew, im talking about the big presence of nazi groups within the military ranks, they have huge support within the country, so what does that tell you?? search up AZOV Battalion and stop assuming

                    • FabMan on 13/03/2022 - 13:45

                      @striker5950: I replied to Firestormil1, you are not reading properly, or are do you own both accounts.

                      "ukranian president zelensky derogatory saying on TV that " there are humans but these are not humans but rather species" is not nazi at all.
                      zelensky asking everyone to get assault rifles and handing out to the general population is not nazi."

                • jellical on 12/03/2022 - 18:48
                  +8

                  @firestormil1: I don't believe YouTube. Me, my partner and our friends are from both Ukraine and Russia. And we kind of know the situation from the inside. We have friends and families from both Donetsk, Lugansk and Kiev. There are no Nazi parades, Poroshenko is a bit of an idiot but never said what you are claiming he has said, Zelensky is also not Poroshenko.

                  People attacking a brother land with no reason, killing innocent citizens - are not humans, they are species. Please don't listen to pieces of public speaches carefully prepared for "YouTube truth", listen to the full versions, and keep in mind all the events, as these speaches are directly connected to what's happening in the world.

                  All this crap about rifles and general population - if someone is going to attack Australia I'll be the first in a row of getting a rifle to save my new country. I'm sorry if you won't.

                  If that's going to be a Chinese army - I'll tell everyone to kill Chinese soldiers, if it's going to be a Russian army - I'll tell everyone to kill Russian soldiers. To keep my own and my family lives and freedom. It's not Nazi, It's called "defence". Russia is currently attacking Russian speaking cities and Ukrainian Nazis are trying to save Russians from Russia, not sure who is a nazi here.

                  Russian army is a poorly trained group of kids conscripted without their agreement, even unprofessional resistance with a knowledge of terrain/hiding spots can be a great support to the regular army. So I see no issues with getting as much help as you can get. Also you can't get a gun as easy as it shown on tv, currently only trained men are accepted to territorial militia.

                  I can't see the reason to show nonsense to my polish friends. People from Poland are offering a great help to Ukranian "Nazis" and I'm truly greatfull.

                  Sorry, you either an idiot, or DidYO research wrong. All these YouTube experts..

                  • Jackson on 12/03/2022 - 19:05

                    @jellical: I truly hope your family and friends and everyone over there has a speedy end to the war and can go back to living their lives.

                    However I would mention that from my perspective, the Russian invasion is the glacae cherry on the cake that is decade's of US pressure om Ukraine to join NATO, keep a garrison, research biological weapons and ultimately according to concerned Russians house US nuclear missiles aimed at Russia. You only have to go back a few years to the Cuban missile crisis to see the US's behaviour to a much further away threat than Ukraine is to Russia. 20 years of NATO expansion and broken promises has led here, and people that won't talk about this ignore history at their peril.

                    • jellical on 12/03/2022 - 22:51
                      +1

                      @Jackson: Thanks man, my partner is safe now, thanks to Australian embassy. They were super helpful. Friends are not, unfortunately, but at the moment the best I can do is to send them some money, and hope that it will come to an end soon.

                      Ukraine was happy to join NATO, the problem is that NATO is not happy for Ukraine to join. It's basically breaking all the theories. Ukraine wanted to join for the last 8 years, and hoped that NATO will help them. Well, NATO did not.

                      Biological weapon is just a Russian fake, they are trying to find a reason for invasion. As well as nuclear weapon. All these theories appeared after the invasion, not before. The whole reason for this "special operation" (you can get up to 15 years in prison for calling it a war in Russia) was initially just to protect Russian people of Donetsk and Lugansk area. People who only suffer now because Russia sent troops there 8 years ago, masking them as "freedom fighters". Russia was doing the same thing in Moldova and Georgia, so tactic is well known.

                      All these labs - are just biological labs, they are the reason we advance in medicine, agriculture etc. Australia, EU and the USA are working together exchanging the results with these labs. That is what normal peaceful people do. All the countries have them. These labs are low security labs and they dont have anything really dangerous there. Even the documents Russia showed as a proof list nothing dangerous or even remotely useful as a weapon.

                      I'm not discussing the US here. I don't think that NATO are angels, but Ukraine entering NATO is not a real threat to Russia (there are plenty of countries close enough). And it's definitely not enough to justify the invasion.

                    • DmytroP on 12/03/2022 - 23:59
                      +3

                      @Jackson: Even before considering joining NATO, Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for US, UK and russia guarantees of independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (Budapest Memorandum). Guess who has breached it?

                  • firestormil1 on 12/03/2022 - 19:05
                    +1

                    @jellical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVIDR9JSPFs

                    end of discussion clown - do I need to translate it to you?

                    • jellical on 12/03/2022 - 21:17
                      -3

                      @firestormil1: Yeah, just as I thought. Sorry, Russian propaganda works for people like you. Keep thinking about Nazis, biolabs and nuclear weapon.

                      • firestormil1 on 12/03/2022 - 22:14

                        @jellical: Apparently you lost your thinking capability - you claim something never happened, you are given a VIDEO and you still blame propaganda. Not gonna argue with you - you can't prove to imbecile that he is an imbecile.

                        Ex-president of ukraine on live tv talking to Donbass people- "we will have jobs but you won't; we will be paying aged pension to elderly but we won't pay to you; your kids will be in bomb shelter while ours go to school" - it's a verbal threat and it's a crime. This is the ukranian government in it's essence. I rest my case

                        • jellical on 12/03/2022 - 22:30
                          +1

                          @firestormil1: I know, it's difficult to analyse the context, to get the meaning of words. But that's ok. Don't be so nervous, check Russia Today again when and if they are unblocked.

                  • Maz78 on 13/03/2022 - 10:23

                    @jellical: "I can't see the reason to show nonsense to my polish friends. People from Poland are offering a great help to Ukranian "Nazis" and I'm truly greatful."
                    As they bloody well should be. They were no saints during WW2 to Poland.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia….

                • bob19 on 13/03/2022 - 00:11
                  +4

                  @firestormil1: What a load of BS! You have been completely brainwashed by the russian media.
                  According to the Russian media Ukraine is governed by neo-nazi and drug edicts. They say that russian speaking people have been discriminated against and have been suffering and would welcome Russian troups who would liberate them from neo-nazi regime.
                  So, why don't you look at the results of the elections in 2019? Coalition of movements with Nazi views got only about 2% votes and not a single person from this coalition got into the Parliament. And a native Russian speaking Jew was elected a President.
                  Since russian troups have begun war all Ukrainians either resist russian troups or flee the country. They don't want to live under the Putin's regime.
                  According to the Russian propaganda, which you are blindly repeating, Ukranian president Zelensky is nazi because he called to resist and kill russian soldiers. Wow, what a logic!
                  So his call to kill russian soldiers who are murdering Ukrainian citizens, including women and children, bombarding the cities and and occupying the country demonstrates that he is nazi, does it? I guess he should've asked people to surrender, welcome russian troups and give all powers to putin's puppet.
                  Just follow your own call to DYO research and not to eat propaganda.
                  I also suggest you study history. We have already seen very similar events at the end of 30-s last century in Europe. Putin is following Hitler's and Stalin's steps. And the rest of the world is just watching and hoping that he won't go any further.

                  • firestormil1 on 13/03/2022 - 02:02
                    -1

                    @bob19: Everyone is entitled to be stupid but some people seem to abuse this privilege.
                    If you believe that a soldier of any army (russian/ukranian/australian/american etc) is capable of killing a civilian you need a psychiatric help.
                    Calling your own citizens to kill professional soldiers equals sending them to guaranteed death which is absolutely deplorable.
                    You can have any opinion you want - it's your democratic right. I am a Jew myself and my grand grandparent were killed by ukranian SS - and seeing them parade is beyond my capability so stop right there and stop embarrassing yourself.

                    • bob19 on 13/03/2022 - 18:24
                      +1

                      @firestormil1: firestormil1: "If you believe that a soldier of any army (russian/ukranian/australian/american etc) is capable of killing a civilian you need a psychiatric help."
                      Don't you see that russian soldiers are killing civilians? Is it OK with you? If it is then you are the one who needs a psychiatric help.
                      As for the Ukrainian soldiers they are killing russian soldiers who are occupying their coutry and killing the civilains. The Ukrainian soldiers are defending their people amd their country from the occupiers.
                      firestormil1: "Calling your own citizens to kill professional soldiers equals sending them to guaranteed death which is absolutely deplorable."
                      Calling soldiers and citizens to defend their country from the occupiers is what any sensible person would be doing. As for the russian occupying forces they consist of mostly totally unprofessional soldiers. Putin sent 18 -20 year old kids who were called to serve in the army to occupy Ukraine. Putin never cared about his citizens. He has already killed many thousands of them for his own political and economical gain.
                      firestormil1: "I am a Jew myself and my grand grandparent were killed by ukranian SS"
                      Millions of Jews were killed by the Russians and the Germans during 1930-s and 1940-s. There are still some people with the nazi views in these countries, not to mention other countries including Australia, UK, etc. Does it mean that majority of people in these countries are nazi and/or SS members?
                      Looks like you are totally missing the point. Nazi in Ukraine are as unpopular as in Russia, Australia, Germany, UK, Poland, etc.
                      And if there is a small group of people with the nazi views in any country, it doesn't warrant launching the war against such a country and murdering its citizens indiscriminately.
                      But following your logic, this is essentially what you are in favour.
                      You just can't see the obvious. As per my previous post - Putin is following Hitler's and Stalin's steps. Putin acts just like Hitler when he started the war under the pretension of liberating the Germans in the neighbouring countries.

            • garage sale on 12/03/2022 - 18:52
              +1

              @Jackson: there are thousands of empty nuclear missile silos in ukraine ….. once russia moves back in they will be loaded again ….closer to europe and more silos than russia has now , no need to build, just reload …..

        • WallybR on 12/03/2022 - 14:11
          +6

          The world is filled with hypocrisy and double standards, but it doesn't mean that we shouldn't support the moral and ethical right of Ukraine just because the West decided to stand up against Russia compared to the myriad other possible injustices they could've.

          We understand there are so many other legitimate and worthy causes globally of support, but because we don't support all means we should support none? Stupid.

          • firestormil1 on 12/03/2022 - 16:05
            +2

            @WallybR: You are right but Why is the name of God West doesn't decide to stand up against UAE? 377000 people are dead in Yemen where half of them are kids. Why? So many injustices? According to UN the situation in Yemen is the worst humanitarian crisis on our planet not even Ukraine. I am not talking about previous crisises in Iraq/Iran/Kosovo/Lybia etc - the situation in Yemen is happening now. Enlighten me why West doesn't cut ties with UAE- I will give you the clue , for the same reason why all the western sanctions against Russia exclude everything energy related (payments for oil/gas are allowed, oil and gas and uranium are excluded) - it's called we stand up against anything as long as we can afford it.

            • striker5950 on 12/03/2022 - 17:14

              @firestormil1: interest in petrodollar, if saudi falls america falls and dies a slow death as their dollar will be worth less than the paper its printed on. saudi is key.. its the king, you take out the king and its checkmate for USA

        • Yotta00 on 13/03/2022 - 10:13

          Yemen is in a Civil war with KSA supporting one of the governments. Ukraine was in a civil war with Russia supporting the separatists.

          More people have died in the fortnight in the Russian invasion of Ukraine then the last 15 years and 8 months years Gaza–Israel conflict.

          US has stopped supporting KSA war effort (it took so long because of Donald Trump), and now KSA has gone to China for arms.

      • [Deactivated] on 12/03/2022 - 22:22

        Another example use off the latest trending buzzword; "whataboutism".

        If only that it was around back in primary school, I would've been the debating champion. It's nearly as good as "I know you are you said you are."

    • Jackson on 12/03/2022 - 15:09
      +3

      But they aren't inhabited by white people?

    • MXsoul on 12/03/2022 - 17:52
      +2

      Having a war is not a solution for anything where hundred thousand gets killed. My take is on US & bit of European nations.
      No doubt what's happening in Ukrain shouldn't be happening at any cost, no single soul is worth living in fear.
      I also condem what KSA and other Muslim nations are doing in Yamen and I also condemn what US and allies have done in middle eastern nation in name of WMD.
      Millions were killed in the name of collateral damage kids,women and many families completely wiped off.

      What I believe wrong is on news many anchors and politician's giving a wrong narrative giving hype to one while neglecting others.
      Just quoting one person on news where he said " These are blue eyes , well dressed middle class people just like us, these are not the refugees we are used to looking"

      We should condem what's wrong regardless of whoever it's happening with..

    • modded on 12/03/2022 - 12:49
      +32

      Everything is a narrative, including your comment. The difference between the two, is that yours is a fantasy

      • icarus255 on 12/03/2022 - 13:31
        +9

        It's most certainly not. Read for yourself:
        Azov Battalion
        "In 2015 and 2016, the regiment gained attention after allegations of torture and war crimes, as well as neo-Nazi sympathies, and usage of associated symbols by the regiment, as seen in their logo featuring the Wolfsangel, one of the Nazi symbols used by the 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich."
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

        Aidar Batallion
        "On 8 September 2014 Amnesty International claimed that the Battalion had committed war crimes, including abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, theft, extortion, and possible executions"
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aidar_Battalion

        There's plenty more that just hasn't been investigated because no one wants to tarnish the "Ukraine are the good guys" story.

        • Gehirn on 12/03/2022 - 13:41
          +15

          Australia has been committing war crimes and has Nazis throughout the country. Should we be invaded?

          • icarus255 on 12/03/2022 - 13:43
            +8

            @Gehirn: We investigate and punish the nazis and war criminals but Ukraine doesn't. Instead they let them continue displaying their Nazi flags and continue to let them serve as regular troops in the Ukranian army. Australia would never let Nazis soldiers fight along side "regular" troops. The comparison is not even close.

            • bob19 on 13/03/2022 - 00:18
              +2

              @icarus255: Before you spread russian propaganda, why don't you look at the results of the elections in 2019? Coalition of movements with Nazi views got only about 2% votes and not a single person from this coalition got into the Parliament. And a native Russian speaking Jew was elected a President.

        • modded on 12/03/2022 - 13:45
          +10

          Our country committed war crimes in Afghanistan. Does this mean I should call Putin and ask him to blow up our cities too?

          • icarus255 on 12/03/2022 - 13:46
            +2

            @modded: See my response above. We punish those that commit war crimes. Ukraine promotes them as heroes.

            • modded on 12/03/2022 - 13:47
              +4

              @icarus255: Ben Roberts Smith?

              • icarus255 on 12/03/2022 - 13:48
                +3

                @modded: Yes, he is still under AFP investigation for war crimes. If they determine him to be guilty he will be stripped of his medals.

              • Jackson on 12/03/2022 - 15:16
                +1

                @modded: You mean Disgraced Army Officer Ben Roberts Smith?

          • taki on 12/03/2022 - 15:03
            +2

            @modded: NO need for weapons in any part of the world. When NATO wants to bring weapons on Russia's border it provokes over-reaction. Neutrality & world de-
            militarisation is the best. AU need not weapons at all, but much better NBN & govt.
            Spending our money on feeding the wars is unacceptable & this govt needs to GO.

            Better small investment :) https://www.redbubble.com/shop/scott+morrison+stickers

    • buckster on 12/03/2022 - 12:53
      +31

      You're beyond help if you think Ukraine is a cesspool full of Nazis needing "liberation" by Russia.

      • icarus255 on 12/03/2022 - 13:35
        +6

        I don't think Ukraine needs to be liberated but they're not the angels that the media are making them out to be. I choose not to pick a lesser of the two evils.

        • buckster on 12/03/2022 - 13:43
          +8

          So you pick the worse of two evils? (if it can be believed there is even any fault with Ukraine which there isn't)

        • WallybR on 12/03/2022 - 14:19
          +3

          So because there is a volunteer group filled with alleged neo-nazis from OTHER countries serving, we should not support the Ukranian people? Sure, if this is true, which I'm sure it is, then it's an error on behalf of the government or whoever's responsibility managing their armed forces is. It doesn't mean that the other 99% of the country should suffer and it doesn't mean that they are an 'evil'.

          • icarus255 on 12/03/2022 - 14:25
            +3

            @WallybR: They're not a volunteer group. They are part of the Ukrainian Defence Force now. Ukraine's Nazi past goes far beyond these two battalions. I won't even mention the discrimination of international students that's also been well documented on Aljazeera.
            I guess my threshold for supporting nazis is far smaller than most others but hey that's just me. Either way, I won't be ordering any of these stickers any time soon.

            • vovikdrg on 12/03/2022 - 15:00
              +3

              @icarus255: Hey can tell us who is Igor Girkin?

            • vovikdrg on 12/03/2022 - 15:11
              +3

              @icarus255: Also could you define nazi? Because you mentioned discrimination against student but again i think you have some problems because i can name so many cases of discrimination in Australia, let be honest why dont we call Australia nazi country in the way Australia is treating refugee here? Yes if you want to say that in Ukraine there is racism and discrimination yes its true. But saying there was any discrimination against any Russian speaking its nonsense just google how many people speak Russian, and how much Russian language was on tv. So once again define what you mean by nazi when you use that word to describe Ukrainians…

          • Jackson on 12/03/2022 - 15:24

            @WallybR: If that volunteers group is clearly racist, persecutes others, causes civil unrest, refuses to recognise elected leaders when it doesn't go their way, turns peaceful protests into violent ones, is armed to the teeth, has heroes who's fascist ideals are published, and is allowed to represent the government despite all of this, then commits war crimes, yeah I would say I we all should have a problem with that. If for no other reason because what happens if the government they are part of holds on to power, and the new government is now indebted to this fascist leadership? It's happened in plenty of other parts of the world.

            • bob19 on 13/03/2022 - 00:23
              +1

              @Jackson: Why don't you look at the results of the elections in 2019? Coalition of movements with Nazi views got only about 2% votes and not a single person from this coalition got into the Parliament. And a native Russian speaking Jew was elected a President.

              • Jackson on 13/03/2022 - 12:25

                @bob19: If they are such a small minority the government of the day should be not just disassociating themselves from them but cracking down on them. They are tainting the movement, and the fact they are allowed to wave Nazi flags at protests is a blight on any legitimate government. Maybe in a perfect world those things would be better spent time on than joining a treaty organisation that needs no expansion, and not allowing themselves to be unduly influenced by foreign powers

                • bob19 on 13/03/2022 - 19:20

                  @Jackson: Why don't you look at the Nazi movements in UK, USA, Australia, Germany, Russia, Poland, etc? You would find them nearly everywhere.

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