Electric Vehicles FBT Free 1 July 2022!

We are due to replace vehicles in our business. Looking forward to trading our agricultural Utes for FBT
exempt EVs.

Thanks to Pegaxs the MVP for providing link: https://www.alp.org.au/policies/electric_car_discount/

Electric Car Discount will begin on 1 July 2022 and be reviewed after three years, in light of electric car take up at that time.

Australia lags the world on take up of electric cars.

Just 1.5 per cent of cars sold here are electric and plug-in hybrid – compared to 17 per cent in the United Kingdom, and 85 per cent in Norway.

In total, there are only around 24,000 registered electric cars on Australian roads, of around 15 million total cars.

This is despite growing enthusiasm for electric cars in Australia. A majority of Australians say they’d consider buying an electric model as their next car.

But electric cars remain unaffordable for most Australians.

There are no electric cars available in Australia for under $40,000, and just five for under $60,000.

In comparison, there are more than two dozen electric cars available in the UK for under AU$60,000 – including eight that are cheaper than the cheapest electric car in Australia.

As part of the Discount, Labor will exempt many electric cars from:

Import tariffs – a 5 per cent tax on some imported electric cars; and
Fringe benefits tax – a 47 per cent tax on electric cars that are provided through work for private use.
These exemptions will be available to all electric cars below the luxury car tax threshold for fuel efficient vehicles ($77,565 in 2020-21).

Comments

  • +1

    LOL, are we talking about yet a another government?

    • +1

      no

  • lol

  • +10

    Labor’s Electric Car Discount will begin on 1 July 2022 and be reviewed after three years, in light of electric car take up at that time.

    From Labors site, it's supposed to be 1 July, 2022.

    • +2

      Pegaxs you are the real MVP!

  • +6

    That's if you can get electric cars…….. Won't be getting one this year/

    • Why not?

      • +3

        No money. Lost it all on crypto

      • +4

        Stock shortages.

        Manufacturers are selling them like hot cakes in other parts of the world and dumping all their Dino juice cars on us knowing we’ll want sparky cars in the near future. That’s two sales instead of one.

        • +2

          Other countries force them to sell a percentage of electric cars, but Australia doesn't, so those other countries get first preference.

  • +7

    oh.. you don't actually expect politicians to deliver on their promises, do you?

    • Murdoch will try to ensure they do not touch the Billionaire's unholy IPA list of demands.

      The Gillard government tried to appease them but voters did not like it by switching to LNP for next 12 years.

    • +5

      10 years of LNP lies has really dented peoples' trust hasn't it :-(

      • +1

        no

      • +2

        It was 100% missing long before 10 years. more like 30+..

  • +1

    they drove to get sworn in with 6 bmw's 3 were suv, so never lol.

    • +23

      Because they were totally going to turf the existing Commonwealth fleet before day 1…
      Just like the inflation they inherited the position and it'll be a year before they can really start owning the outcomes of their decision making.

      At least now they will be able to transition the commonwealth fleet rather than forking out ridiculous amounts on overpriced sub par euro trash machines which the coalition were more than happy to do..

      • -4

        lol, as if they can do anything about inflation or cost of living, or interest rates, hang on for the ride all going up 110% now.
        8% plus interest rates coming for sure now.

        • +1

          Hence why it'll be a year until they'll really be responsible for the state of the economy.

          • +1

            @Drakesy: then they will just blame the libs as it all started before they got in, and the debt they left.

            • +8

              @[Deactivated]: Because it was the libs?
              may want to re-read my comment.

            • +1

              @[Deactivated]: and the libs will blame them, as it will continue the course.
              either way.

      • +2

        Euro Trash?

        What's the Alternative, CHINESE luxury and Quality?

        • +2

          There are other electric car makers that aren't China…
          Also it's more the backwards European ICE cars in this day and age.

          I'd be happy if the government invested in Euro - Electric cars or even Teslas.
          Even the Genesis GV70 look like a ripper of a lux Korean built car.

    • +13

      You mean the fleet contract LNP PM Tony Abbott signed when his daughter was the BMW brand ambassador?

      • +1

        I don't give a toss what any of them drive, I just bought a new Nissan Navara, will be along time before EV will be worth buying if ever lol.

        • +9

          Seems like you do give a toss since you brought it up in the first place.

      • +5

        HA!
        That would explain the lack of support for ICAC

      • +3

        PM Tony Abbott signed when his daughter was the BMW brand ambassador?

        good thing they didnt have an ICAC :)

    • +1

      The problem with switching C*1, the PM's car, over to an EV, is getting a bullet proof bomb proof EV. EVs already weight two and a half tonnes. Making it bullet and bomb proof adds another tonne. And how much range has the EV got at that weight?

      Albanese might have to choose whether to look virtuous by riding around in an EV, or follow all his sycophantic security advisers advice and drive around protected. Against what I don't know, the guy has been living in an ordinary Marrickville suburban home that everyone knows the address of until today.

      • +2

        lets not forget though an ICE vehicle is more prone to engine damage than an EV though.
        Yes the PM can have their bomb proof - bulletproof tank but other cars (ministers) can easily be replaced.

        • +1

          an ICE vehicle is more prone to engine damage than an EV though.

          It'd be pretty hard to damage an engine when you don't have one…

          • +1

            @1st-Amendment: Or if you have 1 in each wheel, that's 4 levels of redundancy :)

          • +1

            @1st-Amendment: An electric motor is an engine, by definition. As commenter below said, having a few of them adds redundancy, and they're smaller. Vehicles with only one or two tend to have them lower down and further into the body of the car, hence less likely to be disable by gunfire or explosions.

            • +2

              @nigel deborah:

              An electric motor is an engine, by definition.

              When I did my Engineering degree a 'motor' runs on electricity and an 'engine' runs on combustion. Maybe they changed what these words mean now that we live in are era when men are women and can apparently have periods and get pregnant…

              • @1st-Amendment: Dodgy degree then I'm afraid mate. Engineering 101 is that an engine is something which converts one (or more) type of energy into another, generally for the purpose of doing useful work. Examples include combustion engines, steam engines, electric motors, heat engines jet turbine engines and so on. Don't think there's any limitation on describing something as an engine if it roughly fits that description.

                As to why electric engines are also referred to as motors, not sure. Think it's just another word for engine? You can call a combustion engine a motor, after all. Perhaps some people use the terminology to distinguish the two but certainly nothing wrong with referring to both combustion and electric as engines.

                • @nigel deborah:

                  Dodgy degree then I'm afraid mate

                  I'll take MIT over some random guy on the internet: https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/ask-an-engineer/whats-the….

                  • +1

                    @1st-Amendment: That says essentially the same thing that I did? Namely, that they're interchangeable, and therefore, that electric cars could be described as having engined.

                    • @nigel deborah:

                      That says essentially the same thing that I did? Namely, that they're interchangeable

                      So you ignored the bits that you didn't like? ie: “We use the words interchangeably now,” says Fuller. “But originally, they meant very different things.” Which was pretty much what I said.

                      and therefore, that electric cars could be described as having engined.

                      Sure, like most things there is a pedantic version versus the real life version, and real life doesn't always play out like Google says. In my career I've never heard anyone refer to an electric motor as an 'engine' and I've spent a bit of time in the electrical engineering field. Tell me, have you ever heard anyone refer to a cordless drill as having an 'engine'?

      • +5

        Are you assuming EVs can't handle weight? There are a bunch of electric utes coming out that are proving otherwise, like the Cybertruck.
        That thing has an 800km range and estimated weight of 3-4 tonnes.

        Similarly, the Rivian R1T weighs nearly 4 tonnes with a range of 500km, which drops about 50% with a max tow of 5 tonnes.
        And the new Ford F150 Lightning weighs about 3 tonnes and does around 500km. It tows around 4.5 tonnes, and they've said the range is affected similarly to the petrol versions

    • +2

      so what? I didn't see the liberals heading to the concession speeches in their submarines.

    • +1

      BMW make electric SUVs now, if you hadn't noticed.

      • no kidding Sherlock, bet you havn't seen one here yet lol

      • +1

        BMW EV is a hard 💊 to swallow.

        They'll probably spend more time in the workshop than on the road.

        • +1

          It’d be the ONLY BMW I’d consider buying. IX 50 range of 660 km-ish and IX 60 even further. Wouldn’t buy an ICE BMW, though. Get rid of engine and transmission problems and you should end up with a far more reliable car.

    • Dont you worry ,they are going to get replaced by $200k+ bmw EV pretty soon and pass the bill to tax payers 😉

  • +1

    As soon as Albo gets back from Japan.

    • +2

      but the borders are closed lol

      • +1

        Our Foreign and Defence Minister flew out to US alliance meetings, and came back in, when the borders were closed and covid was rife in Washington.

  • As soon as they get 75 seats majority, then wait.

    Only 72 confirmed, with 15 still unconfirmed.

    • +1

      I thought they needed 76 for a majority

      • +3

        They do need 76 for a majority in the lower house. But they're nowhere near in a majority in the senate. So even if they don't quite reach that magic number in the lower house, they'll only have to persuade one or two independents to get things through there, but they've got to persuade lots of them to get it passed in the senate. They'll need all the Greens plus a Teal or two, or lots of independents, all of whom will want concessions. All the Greens and independents have agreed to so far is to not support a vote of no confidence.

        • +1

          Thanks I stand corrected.

        • +1

          We really need to rethink the senate. It is supposed to be a house of review, not a house of obstruction, which is what it is used as.

    • +1

      72??

      Last I looked Labor was at 75 with one close call seat to make the 76. Am I missing something??

      *sips from mug of salty LNP tears*

      • 72

        Was smh’s update earlier in the day, most likely behind.

  • Regarding the abolishing of the 5% import tariff for electric cars, I have tried researching if that has already been abolished for cars coming in from China as we have an Atto 3 coming in July and was wondering if this was going to get 5% cheaper or we have already abolished import tariffs from China.

    • +1

      We have a Free Trade Agreement (CHAFTA) with China, so there is already no import duty payable. Same as the USA, no duty.

      • Thanks

  • The Cybertruck won't be coming to Australia.

    Get a diesel instead.

    • +1

      the ford one looks usable unlike the tesla movie prop

      • Ford. 😆

        They're a dinosaur waiting to be blockbustered.

        • +2

          Doubt it.

          The F100 is going to go global with the Lightning.

          • -1

            @askme69: Ford can't even beat GM. They've no chance of beating TSLA.

            Tesla Now Makes More Money Than GM and Ford

            Tesla just reported a first quarter net income of $3.31 billion. That's a 658% jump from the first quarter of 2021. At the time, Tesla had earned $438 million.

            By comparison, GM recorded a net profit of $2.93 billion in the first quarter, down 3.04% compared to the first quarter of 2021.

            Ford, for its part, has gone into the red since the group led by Jim Farley has announced a net loss of $3.1 billion from January to March. In the first three months of 2021, the maker of the hugely popular F-150 pickup had posted a net profit of $2.3 billion.

            • +5

              @rektrading: You realise income and profit are not the same thing, right?

            • @rektrading: selling tax credits not vehicles

            • +2

              @rektrading: Perhaps, but they might have a pretty good chance with the new EV F150. It's already based off the highest selling model of any vehicle type in the USA for the last 40 years, and they've seen 75% of new orders coming from people who never owned a Ford before (and 50% who never owned a truck). And the electric version actually looks like a good, practical upgrade..

              • -3

                @crentist: Ford and GM have between them 230Y of automotive experience. It's embarrassing that they're losing to an 18Y NKOTB.

                They will be blockbustered if they continue the way they do.

                @donga100
                @chickenface
                @crentist

    • +1

      OzBers know never to mix family and money. You're just winding us up aren't you.

    • +11

      Geez, racist much…

      • -4

        how's that racist she isn't Chinese? She wasn't born here, enlighten us.

        • +6

          Oh dear…

        • +4

          Oh no.. dig up!

        • +13

          how's that racist she isn't Chinese? She wasn't born here, enlighten us.

          No she was born in Malaysia. But I won't bother trying to explain to you how Malaysia isn't China. Crawl back in your hole.

      • -2

        NO. Albo made mention of her being Chinese the next day and that it was a good thing.

        If they get into BED qoth CHINA, watch for a revolt Solomon Style or should i say Fiji.

        • +6

          Albo made mention of her being Chinese

          source?
          she was born in Malaysia, which, last time i checked, isnt China….

    • +6

      with all her relos in china for cheap everything lol

      Are you a just little hurt UAP/ON racist voter?
      Is anyone from the asia pacific area automatically 'chinese' ?

      You know if like this is pretty easy to find, they even make a dummies guide
      https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Depart…

      I assume you also call Malcom Roberts Indian? No idea how One Nation voters get away with trusting someone born in India

      • -3

        maybe learn what a racist is lol, mentioning where someone is borne is not

  • Thursday 28:00 hours.

  • +3

    So the poor get to subsidise the rich again?

    • +3

      Maybe, maybe not. Hopefully there will be democratisation of EVs through the second hand car market the way second hand fleet cars like Falcons and Commodores used to trickle down to the hoi polloi.

      Right now the the main vehicles which can qualify for FBT exemptions are $80,000 dual cab utes which are horrible to drive in the city and suburbs where about 80% of us live.

      • EVs have a limited lifespan because of the batteries. Don't know what the cost is of replacing them all.

        • +1

          EVs ‘limited lifespan’ is probably longer than you think. Given fleet and lease are often 3yrs or so there will be probably 10years of second hand ownership plus replacement batteries will become a thing, just like replacement engines are now.

          • @Euphemistic: I don't think lithium production will be able to keep up if every country enforced an move to electric.

            • +1

              @Cletus vandamme: Supply and demand. They make enough petrol for the whole world. It’s taken a while to build up to the current capacity, just like battery manufacturing, recycling etc will build to meet demand.

        • Look at what happened with hybrid batteries like in a Prius or Camry Taxis. Originally it would cost $12K to replace battery now its possible to refit a refurbished battery for $1200- $1400 or replacement with a new battery from Toyota Australia $2500-$3500 fitted.

          Electric cars have less maintenance costs as well.

    • +2

      Such a crap mentality… like yeah, I work harder, educated myself better, than most poor people. You bet I'm going to reap the benefit from it. That is the whole point.

      • +3

        Why should those that can’t afford it be forced to pay for stuff that more wealthy people could afford anyway?

      • That is untrue - there is a ceiling that many poor people can't break through for many reasons, in spite of working their guts out. It's okay to want to reap the benefits of the investment you've made in yourself, but there's no need to kick people who will never have that chance.

        • +1

          Don't agree, especially in a country like Australia

          Furthermore getting a FBT discount on an electric car to help modernise the country is far from kicking people who…

  • +4

    All we need now is a range of EVs like what rest of the world gets, especially some of the more budget friendly models.

    We don’t need luxury flashy super long range models. We need to get some commuter cars that people can buy as a second family car.

    • Dacia Spring is available in France from €12,403 (government bonus deducted)
      [$AUD 18,566.30] and from €89 / month* (government bonus deducted and €2,500 conversion bonus included). https://en.media.dacia.com/news/all-new-dacia-spring-prices-…

      • Framce is not close enough we could send a truck and grab a couple though.

        • +2

          France won't trust Aussie buyers now. Something about subs keeps coming up…

      • ENCAP score, 1 star. And, as far as I know, ENCAP's tests at lower speeds than ANCAP.

        Good luck with that.

        • +1

          I would take that score with a grain of salt

          A lot of it is based on accident avoidance, and doesn't 100% reflect actual safety in a crash.
          Having a read through the report it doesn't look all that bad

          • +1

            @bhubb18: Yes, you are right, 1 star for Dacia's is a bit too much.

            Euro NCAP test results Dacia Spring (2021) https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/66949/euroncap-2021-dacia-spr…

            Test Points 49%
            Overall: 1/5 (Marginal crash protection and little in the way of crash avoidance technology)
            Adult occupant: 18.9 = 49%
            Child occupant: 27.5 = 56%
            Pedestrian: 21.3 = 39%
            Safety assist: 5.2 = 32%

            Not many cars score negative points.

            The passenger compartment of the Spring remained stable in the frontal offset test. Readings of several parameters in the dummies’ legs
            were high, indicating poor protection, and structures in the dashboard presented a risk of injury to occupants of different sizes and to
            those sitting in different positions. Protection of the driver dummy’s chest was also rated as poor, based on readings of chest compression
            during the test. The pelvis of the driver was also poorly protected with dummy readings exceeding recommended values.Analysis of the
            deceleration of the impact trolley during the test, and of the deformation of the barrier afterwards, revealed that the Spring would be a
            benign crash partner to other vehicles. In the full width rigid barrier test, the head of the rear passenger was penalised for the extent to
            which it moved forward, and protection was rated as poor. Chest protection of both occupants was rated as marginal, based on
            measurements of compression. In both the side barrier test and the more severe side pole impact, rib compression indicated marginal
            levels of chest protection, but that of other critical body areas was good. The Spring is not equipped with a centre airbag to protect against
            occupant to occupant injuries in side impacts. Tests on the front seats and head restraints demonstrated good protection against whiplash
            injures in the event of a rear-end collision. However, a geometric assessment of the rear seats indicated poor whiplash protection. The
            Spring has an advanced eCall system which partially fulfilled Euro NCAP’s requirements, and the car has no multi-collision braking system
            to prevent secondary impacts. The score was penalised for the high forces needed to open the door post-impact

            I think at 40km/h crash, you have a high chance of death or serious injury.

      • It's a good start, 170km wouldn't get you far, but i guess for a daily for short trips where you charge it each night it'll be adequate

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