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Free until 31/08/2022. Saving 60 cents per kWh. The site has one ABB Terra184 DC fast charger unit which has both a CCS2 and a CHAdeMO port. The chargers are capable of charging up to 150kW using the CCS2 port.
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Do you mean 150kWh? I don't think there is a car with that battery size in Australia, maybe a truck.
Oh is there a difference? I just thought if it’s 150kwh, then at $1.20 (full price) it’s $180. So I assume the kWh is different to the size?
When it comes to EVs, kWs is the charging speed, whereas kWhs is the batteries capacity.
@scaryspace: Correct.
But to be an annoying pedant: a kWs is actually a unit of capacity (energy), specifically 1/3600 of a kWh.
Full price is $0.60 per kWh.
kWh is a measure of capacity.
kW is a measure of power.So charging at 100kW for 2hr = 200kWh.
$90 but there are no cars with a 150kwh battery as far as I know.
None in Australia, but the Rivian can be specced to 180 kwh and the Hummer EV is 250 kwh!
62.3kWh battery in a base model 3, so that's $37.38 no?
Yep. You're much better off charging at home on residential rates.
Treat it like your iPhone. Use a bit of battery during the day; recharge it during the night.
Just as purely interest what does it actually cost at home to charge? Just wondering how it actually translates to cost per km driven.
@mike-77: A full charge on a model 3 gets you around 400km (depending on weather and where you are driving etc).
At 20c a kWh a Model 3 from empty to full would cost about $12.50
@mike-77: Existing answers are good, but also keep in mind you can schedule charging overnight on off peak rates. That's more like 13c/kwh where I am last I checked — makes it under $10 for a full charge.
@mike-77: I did the maths earlier and based on our driving energy usage on a Model 3 SR+, the cost per 100km was $2.66 when power was $0.21 per kWh. Definitely much cheaper than petrol per 100km. But if you manage to charge off solar, then your cost per 100km becomes a lot more enticing. So long as you don't consider the daily service charge or the cost for your solar installation as part of your EV costs.
@mike-77: Depends what deal you get with your power company. We were lucky three years ago to be contacted by PowerShop (who we'd just moved to) and asked if we wanted to trial their pilot program for EV Time of Use Tariff. Cost 7.46c/KWh between midnight and 4am weeknights. On our 7KW home charger, with a 28KWh Hyundai Ioniq Electric, this equated to a full scheduled charge any weeknight for $2.09 which took us as many as 260KM according to the range meter. Using aircon and driving like a lunatic can reduce this significantly though, so more like an easy 200KM or up to 230. Pretty cheap fuel :D
@mike-77: In Tassie (Aurora Energy):
$2.488 / 100 km when charged at off-peak time
$1.421 / 100 km when charged off solar (opportunity cost to export the same amount of energy)
Tesla recommends charging once per week and not going below 20%
@Arigato: Where do you read this?
https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/support/range
Maintain a regular, every-day charging routine using a low-voltage charger (i.e. Wall Connector at your home). Avoid allowing the battery to get too low in charge.
Only use DC Fast Charging (i.e. Supercharging) when necessary, such as during long road trips.@Nuggets: The charging once a week bit seems arbitrary, but the advice about avoiding deep discharges below 20% (or full charges above 80%) where not necessary is true for lithium batteries generally. It helps minimise wear, and is why Tesla sets the default charge limit to 80%.
@snep: Good thing Tesla and other EV manufacturers are moving to LFP chemistry. Last substantially longer on extreme cycles
@Nuggets: It is from a message that is displayed on the charging screen of an LFP model 3. Charging every night makes sense for maximising range but not sure about longevity of the battery. I’ll contact Tesla, because I’d like to charge every day too
@Arigato: The general rule would be the same for the tesla as for mobile phones:
- charge as often as required, multiple small charges are better than one big charge
- use a slow charger, a fast charger wear out the battery faster.
- charge when the battery is cold
- avoid going below 20% and above 80%, keep the charge as convenient as possible in the 50% range@Arigato: I would charge everyday and utilise the warranty if the battery was failing, just like I do with my iphone
Pay nothing and use the free public Type 2 infrastructure while you're shopping, instead ;)
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EVs have an average of around 60-70kwh batteries.
So if you managed to rock up at 0% and charge to 100%, this would cost about $40. The thing is, this would never happen, unless you're travelling > 500km. If you need to ever fast charge, you'll just chuck enough in til you get to where you can charge for free or cheap. I've owned an EV since March and fast charged from a > 50kw charger once. Usually I charge for free using solar at home, but occasionally use moderate speed chargers for free or cheap (local maccas are 20c per kwh and charge at 22kw).
not if you own a telsla as long as its not a model 3 you will get free unlimited charging with most of there models.
That arrangement stopped quite some time ago. Hasn't been the case for any new vehicles sold since 2017.
Free is good, however 60c per Kwh seems quite expensive though. The price of convenience I think.
yes convenience and people who live in apartments or in houses and don't have a driveway. e.g inner city terrace.
If you don't have a driveway and park on the street it's hard to charge at home …… extension lead out livingroom window and across footpath overnight and hope no one trips over the lead? ….and that is provided you managed to get a park outside your house …..
once electric vehicles take off I'm sure servos with charging stations won't be short of customers ……
The logistics aren't so rosy are they :)
Depends on your circumstances, it is for some. :)
I park in my garage and plug my car in, takes approx 10 seconds to plug and another 10 seconds to unplug. I can either then charge using solar or if it's a bad run of cloudy days, charge in off peak for 20c per kwh.
I was staying in Surry Hills recently and saw almost exactly this. They had the lead zip tied up into a tree, across the branch and down over to the car. Quite clever haha
once electric vehicles take off I'm sure servos with charging stations won't be short of customers ……
I hope random homes will allow people to charge, in china, there are basiclly tons of power sockets on the sidewalk with extension cords - as all the scooters are electric
Yes, it's certainly the price of convenience. Usually these charging speeds are expected at highway pitstops - you also pay in battery degradation if you use these things too much
free but not free?
60c discounted to free sounds pretty free to me.
how many chargers do they have there?
1 with 1x CCS2 and 1x Chademo.
Too but disgusting Roadhouse cafe closed otherwise prob worth going
so less than 1/2h to charge Tesla 3 car? not bad
No
certainly not. You don't go to full battery on one of these unless you're going to be an absolute pig of a driver
I wanna plug In my Bitcoin miner to the outlet.
So how much does it cost to fill up and how far will it take me?
Free per kwh is free to fill your car.
Depending on the car, this means 120-600km.
60c/kWh? There's no chance you'd actually save that because no-one should pay it. Tesla superchargers are about half that price.
how wrong you are about Tesla superchargers
Wow, you're right, 50c. I don't recall paying that last time I used one, but it's been a while.
They’re between 57-60c/kWh in Australia at the moment.
So all of this energy comes from solar or wind farms right?
Live data if you're actually interested and not just here to shit on the idea of people going to a better alternative - https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/
And btw - the coal fired dirty electric car thing was debunked
Knobloch, F., Hanssen, S., Lam, A. et al. Net emission reductions from electric cars and heat pumps in 59 world regions over time. Nat Sustain 3, 437–447 (2020). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41893-020-0488-7
Any links to the process for battery recycling?
Rare metal mining to produce the ingredients for these cells? Transportation, manufacturing, diesel.
If our current power stations cant cope in the peak of summer with A/C or the peak of winter with heating, how the hell will the grid cope if every 2nd house has their EV's charging as well as ppl using A/C etc?
Not to mention the toxic fumes when one of these vahicles goes 'BooM'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQxm6n7SdvE
@bunsen - Just jog on mate, no need to preach to us.
Don't worry about the fuel combustion or the extraction/refining process either? Argue away BP Horizon.
You can search and find adequate info for your queries….they're there too if you take the time.
Do you get paid to be a muppet or is it purely a hobby?
A really basic article https://rac.com.au/car-motoring/info/ev-battery-recycling
As the economies of scale ramp up, the technology for recycling will also improve. The average lifespan of the batteries used in most EV's are 10-20 years. We've come a long way in the last 10 and we will continue to do so as more of them exist and it becomes more economically viable to run a business recycling them.
In relation to your comment about the grid coping, look up bi-directional charging.
Look i'm a fan of the noises and soul of an ICE car. I've got a toy in the shed that they will need to bury me in. I'll teach my kids to drive manual in it, about balance and grip and how to actually drive a car. But the time for a petrol/diesel family runabout for us is numbered.
Who cares! If you’re going to drop $60k+ you may as well buy an ev and have cheaper running costs.
Still doesn't beat buying a standard $25k car or second hand sub $10k car. Even with the high petrol prices it'll take about 40 years to break even compared to an EV. So no thanks.
People buying a $25k car aren’t the current target market for an EV.
It’s like saying a $25k car is a waste, just buy Camry from the 90’s. You’re comparing 2 different things.
@StonedWizard: Incorrect the ev are priced to high for the vehicle you’re getting.
Same sized ice cars are more economical in the long run and if you keep them for 10 years you will still be able to sell for a reasonable price unlike an ev that needs the battery replaced costing more then half what you paid for the car .I’m keen to get one when I can buy a 4x4 for the same price as a ranger and be able to tow more then 100klm before needing a recharge.
@rumchaser: That’s not true. A M3 is compatible to a BMW 3 series. Over 10 years an EV will save you loads and have higher resale. Covid aside, cars had poor resale after 10 years.
EV utes, I agree are still in their infancy and the good ones are crazy expensive. But a Model 3, Ionia 5 etc are all good comparisons.
@StonedWizard: I disagree about higher resale just read a story about a second hand ev sold for 11k in the US people bought the car batteries died in 6 months and replacement would have cost 14 k if they still manufactured them which they didn’t .
It’s all good though they got offered $500 for the car .Stories like these will stop resale buying them will be playing Russian roulette once batteries are out of warranty.
@rumchaser: Do you have a link? sounds like a good read.
Tesla for example have a good resale. Liquid cooled batteries will last longer than 8 years. Leafs don't have a good resale, but thats due to many people not wanting them for their air cooled batteries.Going forward, especially with rising fuel costs. I can see EV becoming more popular and desirable for the masses. I think the resale on them, at least in Australia where we've been slow to adopt them. Will be up there for the next 5 years or so.
Nah, it comes from Bunsen burners… hahaaa
in Australia most likely coal or gas power
the irony hahaIn Australia its about 30% renewable. Or if you're in SA, 60%. Or if you're in Tas, 100%. Or if you have your own solar setup, 100%.
And it gets closer to 100% every year.
Compared with petrol/diesel cars which will always be 0% renewable, 100% fossil fuel, forever.
if only people charge them during the day but most charge them at home at night which burned mostly gas and coal
Not to mention Mining and processing of lithium, environmentally it is not very friendly and toxic to put it in a milder term
1 millions liters of water for 1 kilo of lithiumIf you want to save the planet, ride a bike, walk to work, and catch public transport
one less car, one less resource to manufacture or dig out
Model 3 at 30% SOC was only able to get max 70kw there today. Is something wrong with it? Or haven’t finished tweaking it? Should be able to get significantly higher.
Might be the particular charger. Did it precondition battery before charging? Have you tried another charger?
It’s in trial mode limited to 70kw. The sticker on the front says 150kw coming soon.
Ah ok thanks.
This chargers leads are limited to 200A, without an 800V EV (Ioniq 5, EV6, Taycan, e-tron GT) it won’t supply much more than 80kW per head.
My car powered by cow farts
Make you feel good about droping 70k on something resembling mazda 3
QUEENSLANDER!!!!!! finaly we are getting a turn and the ampols are getting it up here in gods country :D
So does that mean at full price, it would cost $180 to charge the 150 kw car?