Do You Boycott Companies over Unethical or Otherwise 'dodgy' Behaviour? if So - Which Ones?

I was browsing around for a neck gaiter today and found some at decathlon. I then had to think back to a Convo I had with my dad about the company. He said he won't shop there anymore since they've not pulled out of Russia. He's got a point here I feel.

I just wondered where other consumers draw the line? I've stopped buying certain chocolate bars since production moved to China - I avoid food products from there. Nestle had a pretty bad rep, too.

What's important to you guys when hunting for bargains?

Comments

            • @darkmattersunB6c0MV: Hmm, really not sure why you directed that to me. My reply was to Mugsy's comment about his Apple experience.
              But thanks for sharing your hatred for Apple. Happy for you that you've found such a superior alternative.

          • +2

            @Karfaffel: My kid's have iPads at school, the times they have forgotten their passwords it is a major issue and you end up going around in a loop for literally day's on end, only way to sort it is to go instore and a factory reset. Hardware always seems pretty good quality, value not so great, but I have actually wondered if IOS devotees are suffering from something like Stockholm syndrome my experience with forgotten passwords has been so bad.

            • +2

              @tryagain: Have you noticed that we live in a world full of passwords? This is a concept you're just going to have to get to grips with. Maybe you should write them down? Or perhaps make them something you or your children won't forget so easily.

              If Apple made it really easy to bypass Apple ID security you'd be the first to complain about Apple's lack of security.

              The tone and content of your message implies more that you are a devotee of Android and have a bone to pick with Apple (for whatever reason). It appears you'd rather blame Apple than look at your shortcomings in basic technology operation principles.

              • +1

                @Karfaffel: Well, I think most of your assumptions are wrong. Most systems have reset procedures that work, apples only seems too if you have a Mac, my technical competence is fine, even after I got online help through apple (who just walked me through the same process I'd tried multiple times) did they say I'd have to go instore.

                • -2

                  @tryagain: Ah well, my mistake. I forgot to heed the old adage… Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

        • You bought her an iPad so she'd procreate?

  • +4

    Bunnings. For bits and bobs I try to get them off eBay. I just think places like Bunnings have a monopoly, shame Masters didn’t survive

    • +2

      even though it's near monopoly, their service is very good. so far they don't do anything very wrong

  • +14

    Prefer Coles to Wollies due to Woolies owning so many pokies + trying to open a bottle shop in remote communities where alcoholism is a big problem.

    Pokies are the devil. But, both major parties get huge donations from gambling lobby. So that's never going to change.

    • +7

      I remember when a certain nsw government tried to implement the cashless pokie where you had to preload cash on to a card and you couldn’t top up immediately.

      The campaign from the gambling industry was ferocious. It died a quiet death.

      • +2

        Yup, the trial failed because only like 1 venue signed up to it and didn't enforce it.

        The gambling industry is insidious in this country.

    • +7

      Fyi in WA the government has been pivotal in restricting pokies to the casino only

      Even then, the ATM's are located outside the gaming floor and the pokies don't take cards, meaning you can't just gamble away your savings

      So thankful

  • +9

    I avoid Samsung for shady behaviour (trying to get out of warranties, shift blame onto the user etc) and poor products

    I avoid Sony for the same reason as Samsung

    I try to avoid businesses that virtue signal (ie pulling out of Russia) and businesses that lower their quality while increasing prices

    The Good Guys, because of a recent poor experience with them selling something that is out of stock, giving me the runaround for a month and ignoring me when I tried to get a refund.

    Harvey Norman because they are overpriced and owned by Gerry Harvey.

    probably more, but I can't think of them at the moment.

    • +4

      Yeah Good Guys used to be great before JB bought them out. They stopped the 30 day price protection which you now have to pay a service for, seems counter intuitive to the business model. Had some odd dealings with them since.

      I bought a fridge for my bar from them (had to be a specific depth to fit a smaller space), and they sent one within a couple days. All good. Then about 3 weeks later I get another text; the fridge I ordered is ready for delivery and to organise a pickup online. So naturally I now have 2 spare fridges! Ridiculous. How does that even happen? Paid cash and delivered, so no worries about extra charges lol…

    • Samsung also experimented with running their own ads over the top of streaming apps on their TV's. I won't buy Samsung just because of that alone.

    • +2

      Lol, even Chinese people will avoid Chinese products. Corruption is commonplace so people have cut corners and others have died eg infant formula

      • +1

        Geez one black mark in history from one company and its like everything else is bad/poison.

        So all german car brands are cheaters and liars because of the Volkswagen emission testing scandal?

        • +1

          Geez one black mark in history from one company and its like everything else is bad/poison.

          Of course not. But it's enough for people to want to avoid certain products especially food products. Who knows what is going in it? That's not racism, it's a precaution.

          So all german car brands are cheaters and liars because of the Volkswagen emission testing scandal?

          Well, there's a lot of vehicle brands under the Volkswagen umbrella - Audi, Bentley, Cupra, Lamborghini, Porsche, SEAT, Škoda and Volkswagen and Ducati.

          • @Caped Baldy: So why are people still buying them and not boycotting them because of this scandal? And why isnt there a negative sentiment surrounding the german auto industry or other german products?

            Answer: Western propaganda that West is Best and always right.

            • +2

              @mrvaluepack: Why do Daigou (代购) exists? Remember Chinese people do not have access to "western propaganda" unless it's through a VPN.

        • +1

          VW was the first one to be caught, Mercedes did it too and there are claims that so did BMW.

          So to answer your question … no, not all the german car brands are cheaters and liars because of VW… they are because they did it too.

    • +4

      No, it's just common sense based on past evidence. How many times do we have to hear they've been caught growing vegetables in human excrement, have cheaped-out on some washing machine part swapped from the original agreed design that catches fire and burns peoples houses down, or poison their own ground water so badly they have to drink bottled water their entire lives due to heavy metals in their tap water, etc before people stop making the FALSE accusation it's about "racism."

      No one cares what race they are.

      It's part of their culture as evidenced by a plethora of examples. Have a look at the youtube channel Serpentza. See how they produce counterfeit goods, steal company logos, even steal each others fake logos lol! They wash out empty trusted brand beer bottles then refill them with homemade dangerous swill, mix waste and fillers into food products, inject water (from what source!?) into things like prawns to charge more in weight… There's an ingrained saying in China: "If you can cheat, then cheat." i.e. If you think you can rip someone off without getting caught - then make that your default business setting.

      Beggars over there steal peoples children, disfigure them by breaking their arm/leg then letting it heal wrong, or chopping off fingers/a hand/limb, then force them to beg for money, which they take for themselves and barely feed the kid enough to keep them alive. Then as they age and bring less money in, kick them out and steal and maim another child.

      During convid the government lied, said it was wiped out, then when people obviously kept getting sick, blamed black Africans for "bringing it back into the country" to the point where shops refused to sell food to black people. We all saw the African politician ripping into them over it. After telling us "we all need to do better" in regards to racism against black folks, Disney recently modified their Chinese movie posters to shrink and position a black guy to nearly invisible status because they know less Chinese people will watch it, due to their government's lying racist propaganda about blacks.

      And the list goes on.

      So who are the real racists? The guy avoiding Chinese chocolate bars because he doesn't want to become the next melamine-in-the-kidneys statistic, or the country with a shocking historical and ongoing record of apathy at best and deliberate poisoning and racism at worst?

      • -4

        Lol that youtuber is a paid shill by taiwan and usa, same with his laowei mate. Negativity and criticism are the best way to draw in subs. You are focusing and listing every negative thing wrong with China. Negative lists like this exists for every country in the world, name a country and I'll list them out for you. It's all just propaganda which unfortunately you have fallen victim to.

        • +4

          Oh what a load of rubbish, lol. As if governments are giving money to YOUTUBERZ as part of their foreign policy, HAHAHA! He also spends half his time praising the Chinese people… very odd behaviour for a "paid shill" indeed.

          I merely selected him as one of many who have lived there - for years - who says the same things about China many others do. Most of what he says is public knowledge, so there's no "shilling" going on, just facts. The only point I made above which I got from him, is the "If you can cheat, then cheat" idiom, and that's just indisputable fact.

          Another fact is, if the recipient of any valid criticism nowadays happens to not be white, it gets falsely labelled "racism." Funny that you know the other guy… because that fact, plus your refusal to recognise China's disgusting human rights abuses, destruction of its own natural resources, and various other biases, reveals what nationality you probably are yourself. It's understandable though because the CCP quite literally brainwashes their citizens HARD from birth. Their school system lies or omits every historical event China has been involved with and/or occurs in their own borders that doesn't lick the CCP's boots. Even the events of the 1989 Tiananmen Square Tiananmen Square massacre has been actively censored from their school system.

          • @[Deactivated]: So why would you still buy usa or australian goods when they have a worse record of human rights history (black slaves, stolen generation, Guantanamo bay, nauru refugees) plus have instigated and caused more wars and regime changes than any other country (iraq & Afghanistan wars, cuba bay of pigs)? These examples are just the tip of the iceberg.

            • @mrvaluepack: My facts were a snowflake that fell on the tip of the China iceberg. Do you really want to discuss the tip, or worse still, the iceberg itself? Thought not.

              1. It was actually WHITES who fought to end slavery. However a certain group of people whom you mention as victims of the past, are STILL committing slavery today - brown and black skinned people enslaving other brown/black people (and some whites).

              2. Oh those poor Guantanamo bay "victims", poor widdle child raping terrorists, oh my!

              3. Nauru… you mean illegal immigrants… who, you know, tried to enter our country ILLEGALLY by bypassing the legal method, lying about their age, obscuring their identities (due to what past crimes exactly?), disposing of their identity papers, making false claims of their lives being in danger yet somehow managed to have a mobile phone, nike shoes, designer clothes, etc? Boo hoo.

              4. Most people in Iraq & Afghanistan adhere to a certain belief system. You really want us to cry crocodile tears over people who force little boys to wear dresses so they can abuse them… but then turn around and throw certain others who engage in the very same practices off rooftops of tall buildings!? Ugh!

              5. The Bay of Pigs… lol. Yes, how dare a democratic government fund CUBAN EXILES to be able to return home and free their relatives and fellow citizens from an oppressive dictator content to let them starve.

              Btw… All your examples ENDED LONG AGO, while China's human rights abuses, it's greedy poisoning of the planet and it's own citizens and us - continues today.

              • -2

                @[Deactivated]:

                1. Yes, agreed but which they STARTED IN THE FIRST PLACE & KEPT IN PLACE FOR 100 YEARS !!!! lol

                2. I knew you were a racist.

                3. Same as above.

                4. Same as above.

                5. Err no… that was not what it was about. Please learn to read actual facts. It was all because of oil which is the same thing that happened with the invasion of iraq.

        • -1

          mrvaluepack on 29/07/2022 - 23:29
          "taiwan"

          Social credit deducted

    • +1

      May I just say that many ethnic Chinese I know will actively avoid buying Chinese food products. Obviously, this isn't all the Chinese, but like I said, many of the ones I know. They're totally afraid of the many many years of adulterated food products that have become synonymous with China made food.

      e.g. the milk powder thing from a few years back, adulterated soy sauce, recycled cooking oil, etc.

      So I guess, in this case, it might not be covert racism rather than an acknowledgement that something is terribly wrong.

      • -2

        Yes I know them too, unfortunately they have been brainwashed by western media and propaganda. These people are very narrow minded and usually are Trump supporters too.

        • +6

          There’s two things here. 1. Quality control standards in China 2. People who are not fans of the Chinese government.

          I don’t boycott Chinese products for either reason. Mainly because I think it’s extremely difficult and impractical to not buy anything from China.

          I do absolutely trust food made in Australia form Australian origins more. I also just don’t like the carbon footprint of importing food that is readily available in Australia from any country (except maybe New Zealand).

          If people don’t buy Chinese products for either of the above reasons it doesn’t make them racist or trump supporters. People of Han Chinese (and other Chinese origins) live all over the world and in China. Not supporting the CCP is not racist towards Chinese people. Neither is not trusting Chinese food manufacturing. It’s making decisions based on available information. Is that information propaganda? Maybe some of it. But no one is risking their baby’s life to test that theory.

        • You do realise orange man no more in power. I get orange man bad but big boy need move on with life.

      • Exactly. Chinese mainland citizens will drive over the border for an hour solely to buy baby formula.

    • Only racists play the racist card.

      • -1

        Nope, only racists in denial get upset when the card is used.

  • +3

    Acer, Nestle

  • +7

    Telstra

    • Lol, privatization got us low prices but a chaos of plans.

  • +3

    Wow if everybody would boycott Non Australian News companies perhaps less bias would be spread.
    Starting alphabetically:
    Amazon for abusing workers and really being the largest drop shipper killing small business.
    AMP Bank for incompetence,
    Apple well they fired, then re-hired Jobs and worked him into his grave.
    Acer for cheap notebooks?
    ANZ bank for paying 4.9 billions to eat Suncorp.
    HN or whatever not normal a million times!
    AGL,
    General Motors for taking money and delivering crap.
    Maca's for unhealthy stuff along with all unhealthy joints.
    Red Bull for overdosing people with caffeine.
    Dasani unfiltered council water
    All sham contract providers being it uber or some sort of deliveroo
    Alcohol stores preying on the weak and vulnerable.
    Gilette for being gender biased
    Sony for loosing it in the TV race
    Samsung for false sounding names like Qled not being Oled? Burning washers?
    Woolworths for their hardware failure
    Volvo for making slow drivers, Boeing for faulty planes.
    At the end a Special thanks to ALL Tesla haters you won the Cadogen Award and make me wait less.

    • +7

      Apple well they fired, then re-hired Jobs and worked him into his grave.

      Actually, it was his all fruit diet and stubbornness that killed him.

    • I agree with most of what you got up here but this made me laugh

      General Motors for taking money and delivering crap.

    • AMP for anything really but their super is terrible

  • +1

    Coles branded milk after they ripped off farmers.
    https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coles-milk-payment…

    • Do you still shop at coles for other things?

    • I really don't understand dairy farmers. If the whole thing really is what we hear, then they have the most bargaining power of all suppliers. Just like the orange farmers bulldozed their trees to qualify for Centrelink (because the trees were considered an asset, even though they couldn't sell their oranges, so got no money from Centrelink)… all dairy farmers have to do is agree together not renew their supermarket contract, sell their cows (no assets now), and apply for Centrelink assistance and stay on it until every one of their contracts has expired… then all of them again agree to add 50 cents a litre to their milk price or ColesWorths SIMPLY DON'T GET ANY.

      At first milk would increase in price… then it would only appear on shelves two days a week… then it would disappear - and the public would back them.

      • Dairy farmers were represented in the past by a Dairy board which gave them the bargaining power you speak of.
        This ability was removed some years back to increase competition…….

      • Do you have any ideas on what sort of costs and assets are involved in the running of a dairy farm ?

        For starters, there is obviously the cows themselves, then the food that they need to be fed. Also need to factor in the machinery costs for the milking equipment, power, etc. Paddocks need to be maintained for crops to feed the cattle, so looking at tractors and farming implements and their maintenance. Then also there is the cost of seeds, fertilizer, etc to factor in. Also to make a farm viable these days you actually need quite a large parcel of land to farm on. No point really getting into it as a small player.

        So as easy as it is you might say to the "sell their cows", that really is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the assets a typical diary farm would have. And you would also find that a number of farmers have probably spent quite a considerable amount of time through generations of cattle breeding to get their herds to the way they are. Why would they sell that off only to have to rebuy back in at a later date and start again ?

        As someone else said, dairy farmers lost a lot of bargaining power when the deregulation of the dairy industry was done.

        • Well obviously there's creative ways to "get rid of them" on paper without actually doing it. Same with the equipment. Once all they have on paper is the house, land, and any savings… I think the first 2 hectares around their house is free from being asset tested, and the rest of their land reduces any Centrelink payments (they lose cents per acre, not dollar for dollar).

          Personally I've always found it difficult to believe the situation is what they/the media state it is. Otherwise why do it. They'd sell up or use their land for another purpose. I used to live on a farm and every dairy farm I saw had lush paddocks that rarely succumbed to drought, because most were lined along rivers. So even it takes years and they continue milking in the meantime, why not grow high value crops. (Not $1 per kg potatoes.)

          I could certainly be wrong, but I've always suspected the reality is more like: they cover their costs, then make some money besides, but aren't getting rich any time soon - but they see someone working at ColesWorths getting $50K without much effort.

          But I would LOVE that… love living and working on a farm, only getting $15K profit after costs paid - just to have the lifestyle. Milk the cows twice a day, but get to potter around the place the rest of the day fixing a wire fence here, replacing seals in a milking machine there, changing the oil in a tractor or welding up a buggy frame for the kids to bolt a mower engine to…

          I get the impression it's much like the media cries poor on behalf of Centrelink recipeints, but I've lived next to unemployed people who eat McDonalds/KFC/Dominos most days, weekend BBQs of steak and sausages, never drinking water - only guzzling coke, smoking cigarettes, buying pot… seen all the little tricks they learn like going to the Smith Family for free clothes, free or discounted food from various charities, get their electricity bills paid by showing an empty bank account (while their other one still has $500 in it). They never get rich with high bank balances, but they all have large screen TVs, the internet, every person in the house has a mobile phone, never go hungry, etc.

          So maybe it's not like that, but when the media says dairy farmers are selling their milk for less than it costs them, but they're still doing it year after year, where is their money to eat coming from. Surely there's more to the story.

    • Farmers which are mostly white owned exploit international workers, why do you think they tried to put needles in fruits?

  • -1

    Harris Tech due to that famous HT Ebay deal.

  • +6

    I would avoid Tesla because of the attitude of the CEO both generally but specifically how he behaves poorly towards his workers. The concept of Tesla I appreciate. But again, a little irrelevant as I doubt I’d be in the market now. But next car will be EV.

    I will avoid any company, as far as reasonably practicable that openly supports and/or advocates inequality.

    I will also avoid any company that treats its workers poorly. Especially those that engage in wage theft.

  • +3

    NVIDIA for their anti competitive practices and attempts to control the media

    • Also, Intel

    • I remember them recently trying to strongarm Hardware Unboxed to be more favourable in reviews and the massive backpedal, what are the anti competitive practices?

  • -2

    All Chinese companies.

    • +3

      Check the neg count above to see how many chinese there are in these forums.

    • +2

      Same. Edifier, xiomi, Huawei, etc are non starters for me.

  • +2

    Qantas

  • -2

    Lifes too short to avoid unethical companies. There are few if any that are actually completely fair and honest and act ethically, The best I will do is support legislation or regulation that focuses on reducing unethical behaviour. I don't need to do pointless virtue signaling avoiding company X or Y. I avoid companies that personally treat me unfairly is about as far as I will go. The BS of avoiding Chinese or American or Russian etc etc is all just racist BS.

  • +4

    I avoid eating grilled and anything George Calombaris has his name to.

  • +4

    I don’t care. A bargain is a bargain, one life to live and I intend to enjoy it.

  • +4

    pretty much trying to avoid giving money to anything that gets to involved in social politics, political correctness or anything cancel culture…. ie Coon/Cheer cheese, Disney etc

    additionally most companies that push that extreme left wing crap are usually selling over priced products anyway ie Gillette

    • +1

      This. Upvoted back to karma heaven, poor SJW's that negg'd you was too cowardly to even comment.

      • this is OZ SWJ i was down voted from within 12seconds of posting this

  • +2

    Coopers beers

    • Unfortunate but has to be done

    • What have they done?

      • +1

        He might be talking about how they got really bible-y for a while.

  • -1

    Nvidia

    anti competitive (profanity), they are

  • This is the ultimate blame the government from the couch thread.

    Support your local small business where you can, but most people do not and choose price and marketing. This is the problem.

    Boycotting a conglomerate is just as useful as buying carbon credits and saying you've done something good.

    • We're blaming corporations not the gov

    • -1

      Support your local small business

      Why?

  • Amazon, L'Oreal brand cosmetics and skin care companies, which unfortunately really limits my options.

  • -1

    Waiting for halil23 to start about how everyone should boycott EviL MiCro$oFt.

  • -5

    Anything made in CHINA.

    • 99% of tech you use is made there

      • +1

        Maybe he lives in a cave.

  • +1

    Hello fresh for deliberately ignoring our "do not knock" sign. Then said "some people want the deal" when I criticised them for doing it.

    • I used to have a sign like that and it too was ignored. So I told people we know to come around the back - everyone else we ignore. Works great for things like census too. ;-D

    • +1

      We tried HF twice and both times we got terrible quality fruit and veg, among other less than stellar groceries (e.g. a can of diced tomatoes with a thick layer of dust on top). Then one day we got a HF door knocker that tried to sign me up. I explained that I'd actually tried them twice already and wasn't impressed, so I wasn't interested in handing over even more money. He then makes up a lie about how they're improving their produce quality and that they're even opening a distribution centre IN MY SUBURB so it can be as fresh as possible (I lived in an outer suburb, it would've a terrible decision for any business to open a distribution centre there). I continue to decline, and then he starts having a go saying that it's unfair that I won't give them a (third) chance to prove themselves. I still decline, and he looks at me like I just ran over his puppy before just turning and walking away.

      I know it was some uni student just wearing a HF shirt for the day, but it really managed to sink my opinion of HF even lower than it already was.

    • You got that interaction on video? Stir the pot?

      https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/court-confirms-salespeople-must-not-ignore-‘do-not-knock’-signs

  • +1

    Nike.

    • Nice

  • No

  • VW
    Harvey Norman
    Commonwealth Bank
    News Corp
    CUB
    Telstra
    AGL
    TPG
    Energy Australia
    Shopback

  • +3

    I buy whatever is of value for money, and the products I favour, regardless of where or how it came to me.

    This question is asked a lot.
    The real question is… Do you actually care? Or do you just want to be seen as to actually care? I’d say most are the latter.

    • People will complain that companies only want to seem to care, as if they themselves actually care about anything. Or maybe they don't actually care about anyone but themselves, who knows…

  • +8

    Yep. The most obvious one is 'Anything to do with, R Murdoch'.

    • +1

      I also do not purchase any Murdoch publications. I will never own a Chinese made motor vehicle either.

  • +5

    Fox and anything relating to Rupert, in particular Fox News

    • I don't watch TV but the CNN clips I see on youtube are a riot. They could relabel it as a comedy channel and everyone would shrug and continue watching.

  • +7

    Tv series and movies that have gone ‘woke’
    Netflix has pandered to that crowd for a while now and losing thousands upon thousand of subscribers every day from it.

    • +3

      well their storylines are shite so its not really a boycott per se

    • -2

      Oh no, this tv show has a lesbian and TWO black people. Stay calm, trained professionals are coming to help you through the ordeal.

    • -1

      Their "Woke" shows aren't the reason they are going bust.

      It's because they actually have competition now.

  • +3

    i strictly boycotted nestle (yes that was tough) and products i knew belonged to them for 10-15 years, mostly because i remember them bribing medical staff to tell african women to use powdered milk rather than breastfeed, despite water pollution ect.
    Similar reasons i boycotted a tyre company, some local companies.
    Since late 00's nobody seems to care about boycotts and nobody really does what they say (did someone say call of duty boycott?)

    these days i try not to react like a retarded teenager, i avoid amazon, some big chinese conglomerates, maybe johnson and johnson (but its more that i dont buy certain products than a brand). Boycotts have no weight at all, even politicians dont seem to care what the electorate think, they'll just say everyone else believes this way and hope it sticks

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