Have We Reached The Point Where Apple Haters Are Worse than Apple Fanboys?

ihfree on 27/08/2022 - 23:27
Last edited 28/08/2022 - 22:12

From looking at recent posts on Apple products, there is a group of users who seem to be desperate to bash Apple rather than providing helpful information.

From a few recent posts:

  • Apple silicon is an ASIC(Application-specific integrated circuit)
  • Attacking the Mac mini for not coming with a keyboard or screen
  • Saying macs are rip-offs or there are cheaper equivalent products and:
    • Unable to provide a alternative
    • Providing a budget laptop with a power hungry CPU, 45% NTSC screen dull screen, etc
  • Attacks on price

Apple fanboys used to get a bad rap on the internet for eating up Apple's marketing. One area where this is common is users who think RAM is magic on Apple silicon.

Edit: Thanks for all the responses, negs, and provision of data for me to work with. No real surprises but some interesting discussion.

In hindsight, this post isn’t worded the best and possibly warrants a second topic on what exactly is a bargain.

The users i’m talking about are a small subset of users:

  • Haters - spread negative misinformation/bashing product with no real basis
  • Fanbois - spread positive misinformation

My interest is purely in trends and one which I feel has reversed.

I’m also enjoying the drama on the Peak Design backpack thread. I think some of the users there have better articulated what I hoped to achieve. Maybe there is a wider topic here on what exactly is a bargain.

Computing Apple

Comments

  • footscrayvic on 28/08/2022 - 09:00
    +2

    Why bother even making this post?

    Apple products are mostly designed for those who can afford a good tech that is well designed, integrated and behaves reliably. They are not made for tech-heads or penny-pinchers.

    Which group do you think the majority of OB members fall into?

    • smartazz104 on 28/08/2022 - 12:33

      Are we judging by how we feel or based off any random comment?

    • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 15:48

      Why bother even making this post?

      Mild interest in trends. I'm mot really concerned about imaginary internet points.

      Which group do you think the majority of OB members fall into?

      Interesting question. I actually think there is a decent cross section of society here.

      I'm generally looking at most laptop/phone deals as I help many family and friends with computer choices.

  • Hardlyworkin on 28/08/2022 - 09:07

    I did t think it's any different from people pushing their religion (or cult) and detractors of it.

  • May4th on 28/08/2022 - 09:16
    +2

    first world problems..

  • cashless on 28/08/2022 - 09:17

    Love Apple. Love Android.
    Dislike all the squabbling about the two, which is what this post is trying to encourage.

    • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 10:19
      -1

      Love is a bit much but I see the benefits of both ecosystems.

      This is (or aims to be) commentary on a set of users who basically post misinformation or useless statements.

  • RMBC on 28/08/2022 - 09:45
    +4

    To add to the issues with Apple, my father has an Apple watch, and recently it's been bugging out and saying he's had a hard fall. As an emergency contact, I get a message with a web link to his location.

    This would be great, except for the fact that I am on an Android phone, so the link doesn't work. Apparently Apple maps doesn't work through my phone, but when I forward the sms to someone with an Apple phone, they have no problems.

    It's pretty disgusting to be providing a service which is ostensibly safety based, and for those who are more at risk, yet to make it difficult, or near impossible to determine the location of the at risk person.

    It's the walled garden, inflated prices, and general disdain for customers which is so polarising. I couldn't care less what you choose to buy, and in fact, recently bought an ipad. Honestly, it's a great piece of hardware, but for the price, it would want to be, but being able to video call my Grandmother makes it priceless to me

    • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 15:36
      -1

      Devices do fail. What would be interesting here is the customer service experience.

      Agreed regarding the inability to view a location on a non-apple device.

  • dogboy on 28/08/2022 - 09:52

    I don't care about their rivalry. I just think you are a weak minded fool who doesn't understand electronics well enough to make an informed decision if I see you with an Apple device. But who cares really.

    • GrueHunter on 28/08/2022 - 10:17
      +11

      I can't remember the last time I saw somebody so triggered trying so hard to make out they're totally not triggered

    • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 10:18
      -3

      ^another example

  • Aureus on 28/08/2022 - 10:28
    +3

    I like Apple hardware, but I am also an Apple hater on Ozbargain as I think they are pretty anti-consumer.

    • 256GB SSD as the default on a "Pro" product is a joke.
    • Insane markup to increase RAM/SSD.

    I have similar feelings about MS with Surface.

    • PiratePete1911 on 31/08/2022 - 11:22

      Unfortunately it seems the rest of the industry is heading the same way, I was looking at prices on a dell XPS 13 and going from a 512gb SSD to a 1TB is 300 extra dollars.

      I could just buy an entirely seperate 980 pro 1TB for 200 and I know that dells SSD they choose is not going to be of the same quality.

  • LoserScott on 28/08/2022 - 11:19

    Why's there no Facebook haters, I mean it's ruining society right?

    • smartazz104 on 28/08/2022 - 12:34

      But that’s a given right, no one would post about how much they love Facebook…

    • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 15:24
      -1

      There's a bit of it. There's criticism of Facebook on Oculus posts.

  • Zephyrus on 28/08/2022 - 11:49

    Who's claiming it's an ASIC?

    While under some definition they probably are, but that definition would make anything more complex than a NAND gate an ASIC.
    It's profoundly pointless as by the very nature of the product, they're general purpose chips

  • Drakesy on 28/08/2022 - 12:10

    It goes both ways lets not forget
    If you take it personally then I feel you're looking into it too much

    • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 13:51

      Hey, I'm just looking at trends.

      I don't like misinformation on any deal regardless of manufacturer.

      I also appreciate quality comments on people's experiences critical or otherwise.

  • dji1111111 on 28/08/2022 - 12:40
    +4

    What an useless post…
    Who cares? Some people don't like certain brands while some people love them

  • tomleonhart on 28/08/2022 - 13:45
    -1

    I'm an apple fanboi. Apple for life!

  • Jzzzz on 28/08/2022 - 13:52
    +12

    OP whining about apple haters then stalks every posters reply targeting anything BUT their apple dislike.

    MacOS has 0 perks over windows in business environments except for aesthetic appeal and posturing for the marketing department. Personal usage is just whatever you used first is what you are likely to stick with in the long term. Usual arguments from staff wanting apple devices is they kNoWhOw2UsEmAc huuuuuur, then still cannot do basic things like add a printer or format a usb drive.

    iOS is the best portable OS, however their trash repairability and intentional crippling of older models rubs people the wrong way.

    "intuitive" is the usual bullshit Apple fanbois like yourself boast but what is so intuitive about swiping up from the bottom of the screen and holding to show the opened apps vs tapping ||| button on the bottom left on Samsung (android)?

    So yeah, I don't mind Apple but maybe 1 in 10 people that is a massive apple fanboi like yourself actually has a reason for loving apple so much.

      • Jzzzz on 28/08/2022 - 14:49
        +12

        Make it 4, thanks for proving my point lil mac lover 😘

        • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 15:22
          -4

          50% of your entire comment here.

          If you read carefully, I haven't made any statement that is positive of negative regarding Apple.

          • YBAF Pilot on 29/08/2022 - 08:34
            +3

            @ihfree: Why are you so negative and toxic. You clearly just want to get a rise out of people.

            • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 09:00
              -5

              @YBAF Pilot: As previously stated, i’m more interested in trends and other user’s opinions on it. Asking about a trend isn’t negative or toxic.

              It’s not my fault that most responders haven’t read or understood the question.

              • jc123 on 29/08/2022 - 12:08
                +2

                @ihfree: You say you're just being objective and neutral, but perhaps one should do an actual statistical analysis and data collection of comments/posts that are negative/positive towards Apple, instead of just an opinion post where you subjectively feel there's been a trend. No one else has noticed a trend. There's been Apple fanboys and haters for over 2 decades debating on forums forever.
                As long as Apple is the number 1 market-share leader in tech, the haters will never be worse than the fanboys. Even if you think there are more haters than ever.
                Good job on a title that baits a strong reaction from the Ozb crowd though.

                • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 12:09
                  -3

                  @jc123: Honestly, was just after opinions on the trend and wondered if anyone else had noticed.

                  I do kind of regret the topic and using Apple as an example now.

                  • jc123 on 29/08/2022 - 12:15
                    +3

                    @ihfree: Fair enough. As you can see, this topic leads to strong reactions from many camps. Apple has had enough major criticisms for many years that there is a large base of both subjective and objective negative detractors.

                    Also tip: next time please don't post comments such as "3 comments in 6 years. This must be a special post to bring you out of your shell."
                    Talking about someone's comment history, is not a good reflection on your character, or any point you're trying to make.

                    • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 14:08

                      @jc123:

                      As you can see, this topic leads to strong reactions from many camps.

                      That's on them, not on me. They're adults who are in theory capable of regulating their emotions. As a society, we should be able to discuss big and difficult topics… as well as small and, what I would consider, relatively insignificant topics.

  • TEER3X on 28/08/2022 - 14:51

    Only thing I hate about apple products are the prices, they do make amazing products though. I'm content with Android however.

  • Brianqpr on 28/08/2022 - 14:54

    They are as bad as each other.

    End of discussion.

    • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 15:21

      That's not what the post is about. This isn't a Mac vs PC/Android post.

      This is about the behaviours of two sets of users I categorise as haters and fanbois.

      Haters - spread negative misinformation
      Fanbois - spread positive misinformation

      • Jzzzz on 29/08/2022 - 01:55
        +3

        Haters - spread false information and troll
        Fanbois - spread false information and get all pissy about it.

        No such thing as positive misinformation, if it's not true then it's a lie and causes people to make choices on wrong information, then they do not grt what they wanted.

        You are a fanboi hater so you spread false info while trolling in a pissy manner.

        Post 5 woo.

        Yes, I do think less apple devices in the world is a good thing, the less of them that exist the less idiotic users asking for dumbass stuff like Apple touchpads and keyboards on their work issued win11 laptop.

        • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 05:43
          -1

          No such thing as positive misinformation, if it's not true then it's a lie and causes people to make choices on wrong information, then they do not grt what they wanted.

          Fair point. I would see them as distinct as one is encouraging purchase. You're already seeing evidence of this with users who think the M1 is magic when it comes to ram use.

          dumbass stuff like Apple touchpads and keyboards on their work issued win11 laptop.

          Ohh you're in an IT department. That explains your pissy personality.

          • Jzzzz on 29/08/2022 - 10:12
            +1

            @ihfree: Your rebuttal is stupid, if the fanbois have talked rubbish about magic m1 ram usage then that would cause people to buy a device unsuitable for their needs.

            Not IT department, just IT that can spot a prejudice hypocritical apple fanboi. Find it ducking hilarious that you feel the need to leap to the defence of a giant faceless corporation with 365billion in revenue last year.

            You must work in marketing because that's the only place I've witnessed the utter window licking stupidity you keep spouting, shit do you know scomo?

            • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 10:27
              -1

              @Jzzzz: lol. That's not a rebuttal - it's mostly agreeing with you but adding a bit more distinction between haters/fanboys.

              Also not defending the corporation - i'm complaining about misinformation. As previously stated, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to be critical of Apple.

              Your reading comprehension along with your personality could do with some work.

              Thank you for your input on this thread even if it is irrelevant.

      • Brianqpr on 29/08/2022 - 10:26
        +1

        So as I said they are as bad as each other.

        Misinformation is misinformation.

        Fanbois often have no experience of using non Apple products (particularly when it comes to phones) so aren't in a position to really compare. Haters may well be equally uninformed about Apple products.

  • Guerilla89 on 28/08/2022 - 15:02
    +1

    I think they are all good for different types of people but I will continue to put my own money to whoever keeps their business practices and eco-systems the most open. Look up embrace, extend, extinguish. Once any big player "owns" the market innovation stops entirely.

    • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 15:18
      -2

      EEE is an awful business practice, yet you don't see it posted on every MS deal or other misinformation about Microsoft.

      I guess there are the Bill Gates crypto-covid-5G gang but that's a different issue.

  • FlyingMiffy on 28/08/2022 - 15:19
    +3

    Apple. Yeah nah.

    • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 15:19
      -4

      ^another example

      • FlyingMiffy on 28/08/2022 - 15:27
        +5

        Baiting. Yeah nah.

        • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 15:28
          -3

          That's not what the post is about. This isn't a Mac vs PC/Android post.

          This is about the behaviours of two sets of users I categorise as haters and fanbois.

          Haters - spread negative misinformation or nothing comments(yours)
          Fanbois - spread positive misinformation

  • stirlo on 28/08/2022 - 15:24
    +1

    It's also a function of income. When I was a poor student I was happy to accept a product that did 90% of what the Apple one did for half the price. And was quite vocal about the extortionate price of upgrades etc.
    Now that I have the income to choose from any of the options on the market I regularly find myself selecting Apple because the price difference is irrelevant compared to my mortgage and the extra 10% is nice to have in many cases.

  • mirovich on 28/08/2022 - 15:33

    It’s such a nice weather outside.

    • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 15:34

      It was pretty much a perfect day. Sadly clouds are just starting to roll in.

      • mirovich on 28/08/2022 - 15:36

        Dang! Just on my way to the beach 🏖

  • Wayne7497 on 28/08/2022 - 15:45
    +13

    Well from the perspective of an electronic repair business owner I detest apple for the following reasons.

    1. Apple won't sell you any spare parts and never have , (don't say look at new self repair option it's a joke)
    2. They serialised every part possible to the point u can't swap even genuine parts without an error
    3. They are not about longevity just planned obsolescence
    4. They outright lie to their customers eg it's impossible to recover your data from water damage iphone.
    5. They don't want 3rd part repair will always try n up sell at store than repair.
    6. All the equipment they don't repair after selling you latest is sent to China repaired, resold in poorer countries at hefty profits.
    7. Whether it's stolen, lost, or forgot your password, bought 2nd hand seller forgot to remove I cloud , it gets activation locked, perfectly good machines near new I have not stolen n can never be used again just adding to massive ewaste around the world.
    8. They go out of their way to engineer everything so it's not upgradeable, or repairable choosing to up sell instead.
    9. Many of their ics are 3rd party manufacturers, who are legally banned from selling their own design products due to Apple policy, eg Texas instruments just one.

    Oh They ain't orphans in the industry but they are the BIGGEST offenders by a long shot.

    I didn't make any of the above up, seen it all and have many ex genius bar employees with stories worse than that

    Hate their business practices more than anything, nothing wrong with performance and quality of their products albeit prices are outta this universe. Should be 20% cheaper atleast

    • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 15:53

      Thank you Wayne - these are all fair points. Something like this doesn't really fall into the "hater", misinformation, or meaningless hate though.

      • Wayne7497 on 28/08/2022 - 16:00
        +1

        The misinformation n haters comes from, 10% buy Apple for specific reasons, justified, I can remember when Desktop Publishing was Apples domain nothing came close, but now 90% buy for the Status Symbol aspect that ppl see in it.

  • BendBridge on 28/08/2022 - 16:44

    Android Vs. Apple: Why Do Android Phones Only Have Limited Support Compared to Apple?

    Does this surprise any Android users? I always think it's the other way around.

    • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 17:05

      Not really the point of the post -

      Apple does in general support iPhones longer.

      Samsung is also ok -

      And select devices launched in 2019 or later will be supported with firmware security updates for a minimum of four (4) years following their global launch, while select newer devices will receive up to five (5) years of security updates.1

      https://security.samsungmobile.com/workScope.smsb

      There's arguments to be made either way given the higher cost of the iPhone, environmental impact, getting a newer device, resale.

      I've personally used multiple Android devices and a HP touchpad with a third party roms after end of official support so it's a decent option, though obviously not for everyone.

      Also a bit more difficult now with some apps I require having security requirements. ( Ways round it though not suitable for my use )

    • dbun1 on 29/08/2022 - 07:25
      +1

      I’ve always found Apple to support devices far longer than Android, however Android has gotten better over the years.

      • FireRunner on 29/08/2022 - 21:46

        I remember seeing Google Pixels ending support after only three years.
        That's a pitiful time period considering how much they cost. Not sure if it's better now

        • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 21:50
          +1

          It is -

          https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705?hl=en#zippy=…

          Pixel 6 and later Pixel phones will get Pixel updates for at least 5 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store in the US. Pixel updates include Pixel security updates, and may also include feature drops and other software updates.

  • newbo on 28/08/2022 - 17:06

    Where are the poll options?

  • da1andonly on 28/08/2022 - 17:19

    As a Apple shareholder, don't hate on the Apple sheep they're great people. Keep buying Apple products and thank you for your money.

    • idonotknowwhy on 30/08/2022 - 11:25

      As a MSFT shareholder, I think I'll continue to hate on the Apple sheep ;)

      Send from my 13 inch Macbook Pro

  • [Deactivated] on 28/08/2022 - 18:19
    +2

    lol Apple. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

  • Cu5ter on 28/08/2022 - 18:40
    +2

    Got a MacBook Air, an iPad, a gaming PC, Samsung earbuds and a Pixel 6 Pro. None of the associated brands will ever get my loyalty but they'll get my dollars if they make the best thing for my needs and budget at the time.

  • Misha Bakunin on 28/08/2022 - 19:32
    +1

    Short answer, no.

  • DingoBilly on 28/08/2022 - 19:40
    +2

    Eh different strokes for different folks.

    Many of Apple's criticisms are deserved, but there's plenty they do right, and plenty their competition does wrong.

    Have I noticed either "side" more lately on here? Nope, not really. If anything it's maybe a bit less, or maybe I just care less.

  • harshbdmmaster718 on 28/08/2022 - 20:04

    What with humans and rallying up these polarizing views.

    I think most people are like me, we don't fully support large "companies" but we just cherry pick products we think are good and put them to use.
    I think the "budget iPad" and "Apple TV" are good products and I am not actively promoting Apple to others or claiming it's a demonic company I am just a dumb consumer who uses what I think is good and worth it.

    I don't know maybe I am not "knowledgeable" enough to fully understand the extreme views, but in that case I am happy not being intelligent instead of rallying up this illusion of solidarity with random users on the internet.

    If you believe the world is full of "fanboys" and "haters" than I am sorry for you that almost everything you look at becomes this divisive situation of conflict.

    • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 20:07

      I don't.

      They're just two categories of user which I would roughly define as:

      • Haters - spread negative misinformation or nothing comments
      • Fanbois - spread positive misinformation

      The wording probably isn't the best and it's a relatively small subset of users.

      • harshbdmmaster718 on 28/08/2022 - 20:13
        +1

        Well if both parties use misinformation to spread their message and get their point across then it seems like they are wasting each others time.

  • DiscoJango on 28/08/2022 - 21:36

    i have many restless nights thinking about all the people who dont like the mobile phone i own

    • ihfree on 28/08/2022 - 21:52

      I keep having this nightmare with Steve telling me “If you don’t have an iPhone, you don’t have an iPhone.” I don’t have an iPhone and i’m losing sleep. Any tips?

      • DiscoJango on 29/08/2022 - 09:31

        Just pretend you do. Tell anyone that see’s your Android it’s just a temp phone

  • kaleidoscope on 28/08/2022 - 23:15
    +1

    I’d rather think of them as trolls as opposed to haters. Because haters should have a valid reason for hating than those silly things. Either-way for any serious buyers or interested folks it’s not hard to identify and ignore troll posts, so we shouldn’t really worry about them.

  • 2024 on 28/08/2022 - 23:15
    +1

    As demonstrated here and around the forum, I’m guessing that the bogan, without its Ford vs Holden, needs to fight about something else.

    A few came out attacking you for being an Apple user, when all you did was ask if hatred has overtaken evangelicalism for Apple’s products.

    I’m not sure if that even answers your question, and infact it probably raises a few more.

  • Bid Sniper on 29/08/2022 - 00:02
    +1

    If you're taking opinions about something else personally, then you have a underlying insecurity isssues.

    Looking at your childish responses, narcissisim or some emotional development issue.

    • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 00:09

      Nah, just interested in trends. At most the posts i’m referring to are a mild irritation, especially when they present misinformation or don’t back their point of view.

      I honestly couldn’t care what someone else thinks of my purchases. I’m also perfectly happy with them and how they perform.

      • Bid Sniper on 29/08/2022 - 00:20

        Why this particular product/issue?

        • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 00:26

          I look at quite a few laptop deals - Mac and Windows and felt the trend was reversing.

          • Bid Sniper on 29/08/2022 - 00:37

            @ihfree: No, why Apple products vs for example vaccine misinformation which actually matters?

            • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 05:59

              @Bid Sniper: I am saddened by the vaccine/Covid misinformation that is frequently posted. The topic is done to death and a much more mainstream issue.

              I'm actually keen to explore a theory that there is correlation between the anti-Apple trolls and vaccine hate. This is the case for a few users that I have looked at.

              • SpainKing on 29/08/2022 - 09:20

                @ihfree: You reckon they're more likely to jump on the bandwagon? I can't see the majority of the people denying vaccine efficacy and denigrating Apple's product quality/ business practices as independently coming to those conclusions

                It seems like they're more likely to side with whatever is more controversial/negative/conspiratorial but that could be a biased view based off a vocal minority

                • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 09:27

                  @SpainKing: Possibly, I haven’t really looked at enough users. I’m tempted to download some comment histories and do some more analysis - but that would take up a bit too much time.

                  I would make the distinction between a hater/troll someone with legitimate complaints. There are plenty of complaints or annoyances about Apple which I think are fair to point out.

                  It seems like they're more likely to side with whatever is more controversial/negative/conspiratorial

                  I would say it is more this. There is some similarity in some of the posts with the lack of substance and expectation that people should just know what they’re talking about.

              • Bid Sniper on 29/08/2022 - 09:33

                @ihfree: Link is narcissistic owners being snowflakes, not just apple but any brand. Tesla comes to mind being especially sensitive and toxic cult.

                I hate Apple due to being very expensive, anti repair, poor quality, poor compatibility, frustrating non modular design, short lasting, and forced obsolescence. Thus extremely wasteful and seriously harmful to the environment.

                Ref:
                https://youtube.com/c/HughJeffreys
                https://youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup

                Dead PCs can rip apart, salvage parts and refurbish quite easily. I do this for industrial computers. They can easily salvage and repurpose PCs for another applications. Apart from the Apple Pro. 5,1 I rebuilt rest is basically throw away once a problem develops. Huge expensive waste and environmental hazard.

                So going back to your theory, Im vaccinated and couldnt care less what people think about things I own. It what works for me, Apple just doesn't.

                People troll Apple and Tesla fanbois because they're insecure snowflakes that easily take the bait, cheap lolz.

                • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 09:36

                  @Bid Sniper: But you have reasons which you have articulated, so you don’t fit in with the group i’m talking about. I would tend to agree with the repair side of it, though laptop repairs(especially with newer laptops) are rarely economical anyway.

                  I would make the distinction between a hater/troll someone with legitimate complaints. There are plenty of complaints or annoyances about Apple which I think are fair to point out.

                  • jc123 on 29/08/2022 - 11:26
                    +1

                    @ihfree: Your 'feeling of a trend' is literally just your opinion. Perhaps you've just noticed it more because it's something you've just personally paying more attention too. Unless you're objectively collecting data by looking at all posts and logging all comments that separates critical/legitimate complaints vs 'hater/troll' comments, and plotting them over a satisfactory period of time (i.e. >12 months), you're being entirely subjective
                    There's always been a group of people who dislike Apple due to their overarching business approach/practices historically and currently that applies to all their products.
                    Whether or not this group is growing in number or becoming more vocal recently makes not one difference to your life, so why waste energy on paying attention to it.

                    In fact, all your post here has done, is have people post legit criticisms about Apple, and in fact reminded me of the many many reasons why I don't like Apple. I think it's pathetic how such a large corporation with fantastic products/designs has made such greedy, anti-consumer and unsustainable decisions. Apple could do a lot better, but in the end, just like most companies, they're mainly interested in their bottom-line and what they can get away with (which appears to be a lot).

                    There is no correlation between anti-vaccine and Apple hating. Please don't make needless blanket statements linking two groups on unrelated opinions without data to back you up. How does an opinion on a technology company, have any impact on one's opinion on vaccinations?

                    • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 11:33

                      @jc123:

                      Perhaps you've just noticed it more because it's something you've just personally paying more attention too.

                      I am watching many laptop deals - so no denying that.

                      In fact, all your post here has done, is have people post legit criticisms about Apple, and in fact reminded me of the many many reasons why I don't like Apple

                      That's fine. In fact this is a positive thing as long as it is well reasoned and not misinformation.

                      There is no correlation between anti-vaccine and Apple hating.

                      I never said there was - it's an observation based on a handful of users. I said there was the possibility and it would require more research.

                      I’m tempted to download some comment histories and do some more analysis

                      • jc123 on 29/08/2022 - 11:42

                        @ihfree: Such an observation of a handful of users is needless and serves no purpose at all. Just the fact you mention it (without any data), merely muddies the discussion. People have strong opinions on vaccine stance, and you will find plenty of Apple haters who are fully vaccinated… Not sure what value you intend to get out of this 'analysis'

                        What's the entire point of looking at this group? Your fascination with Apple haters is silly, but if that's what you want to waste your time/energy on, then you do you.

                        Will a technology company with the number 1 marketshare with controversial business practices/policies have objective and subjective detractors? Yes
                        Does this group of detractors need further analysis? No

                        • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 11:51
                          -1

                          @jc123:

                          Such an observation of a handful of users is needless and serves no purpose at all.

                          It's mildly interesting and just an initial observation.

                          Does this group of detractors need further analysis?

                          Yet here you are along with others replying to it.

                          What's the entire point of looking at this group?

                          Could be an interesting project from a technical perspective.

  • Wasabi Ninja on 29/08/2022 - 00:21
    +1

    It’s fun to see the insecure feel validated with both fanboys and the haters.
    Let’s be honest, if you’re a fanboy you’re a hater of the opposing brand. And if you’re a hater, you’re just a fanboy of another brand.
    I have both Apple and Samsung products. Don’t really side with either. They both work well for me, and I don’t need anyone else’s experience or validation with them other than my own.

    • dbun1 on 29/08/2022 - 07:41
      +1

      Same. I have an iPhone as my personal phone and Samsung as my work phone and really enjoy both devices. Pros and Cons with each.

      E.g I really like the back button on the Samsung that always goes back one screen/step. On iPhone, with some apps, the swipe back gesture doesn’t always work and it’s more of a swipe down to get a photo or video to minimise.

      The almost no bezel design on the Samsung looks awesome, although I find myself making more non intentional screen taps compared to the iPhone.

      On the Samsung, although not so bad now after setting it all up, the constant Samsung and Google apps fighting with each other to be the default at the start was annoying.

      The great thing with Samsung though is that you can wait a bit and the flagship phones will be on sale etc, so upgrading hurts the hip pocket less.

      Oh, and the ability to have your Myki pass on the Samsung is awesome, although my Citibank Card annoyingly only supports Samsung Pay and not Google Pay, so I need to swap between payment apps.

  • haemolysis on 29/08/2022 - 04:52
    +3

    I think Apple just seems to be a really whacky company. They are so all over the shop with everything.

    I mean… they sell high-powered best-in-class machines, whilst in the same store also selling devices so underpowered they can’t even run their own software.

    Material builds that far exceed the industry standard - sold alongside janky builds that have long standing design faults that never get addressed and require long-running free replacements.

    Industry leading privacy, accessibility software… industry dead-last on customisation, flexibility, openness, feature parity with competitors, etc.

    Cheap, great value products running newest gen chips like entry-level iPad, iPhone SE… alongside $1k monitor stands.

    They have products that are ground-breaking, innovative, amazing… and yet with glaring design flaws just staring you in the face.

    They’re easy to love.
    And easy to hate.
    It’s really easy to do.. both.

  • h0mbre on 29/08/2022 - 07:51
    +1

    Fan boys in general are insufferable.
    Actually, people in general are insufferable.

    Its hard to put aside your personal biases to accurately assess something.

    It is also hard for cheap and/or thrifty people to fathom that there is a demographic of people that hold brand value (badge) in high regard and that the badge is the most important factor in their decision making process.

    There are products tailored to everyone and that is why they exist at their price points.
    It has taken me many years to realise and understand this.

    Any idiot that tries to force their biased opinions on other people is a simpleton and they are doomed to an eternal competition of mental gymnastics with themselves.

  • Trying2SaveABuck on 29/08/2022 - 08:41

    I dont 'hate' Apple i think the Fan boys are lunatics.

    The iphone was revolutionary to the smart phone boom but lets be frank since around iphone 6-7 it has no improved much to be worth the asking price

    MACs are a rip off but they offer a good work/ uni laptop for those who dont know what they are looking for and are happy to use IOS

    I dont know why people would 'hate' Apple but any Fan boy saying Apple isnt way over priced for what it is - imho is delusional however if you are hating on Apple then you are blind to the 'quality' of the product on offer.

    Hating on Apple is kind of like someone who brought and MG not understanding why someone would prefer a Toyota which is more expensive for less features. There is value in a 'trusted' brand it is unseen and difficult to quantify and put value on that.

    • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 09:21
      +1

      Your comment nearly escapes the “hater” category but not quite

      MACs are a rip off but they offer a good work/ uni laptop for those who dont know what they are looking for and are happy to use IOS

      Probably just a typo but Macs run MacOS, not iOS. This claim has been made before.

      hate' Apple but any Fan boy saying Apple isnt way over priced for what it is - imho is delusional

      This is another problem with these comments. Rip-off yet not further details why. Maybe not so much a problem on this thread, but on a deal, if you call the product a rip off, I think it’s good to recommend an alternative that is roughly equivalent but cheaper.

      Taking the M2 Air vs the Dell XPS 13. You’re looking at roughly a $119 premium at time of writing. This is even further reduced if you get the M1 Air.

      For the extra money, you’re getting a fanless system, better performance, better webcam, better display, better battery life, better build etc.

      As to how many of those things a user actually needs, that’s another question. Still it’s not like you’re not getting more for your money.

      brought and MG not understanding why someone would prefer a Toyota

      Interesting comparison. Typically the comparison would be between a Japanese car and a luxury German car.

      • Trying2SaveABuck on 29/08/2022 - 09:25

        im literally defending Apple in my post but sure call me a hater

        you can do better then a M2 Air at $1717 i reckon similar spec 2/3 of the cost if i looked hard enough

        Interesting comparison. Typically the comparison would be between a Japanese car and a luxury German car.

        No that would be like comparing Alienware to the rest of the market they are over priced for the sheer fact they look nice but there is
        'no justification' bar ascetics to buy Alienware at RRP - whilst there is some reasonable arguement Apple has better customer service etc which is not the case when you compare say Toyota/Lexus to Mercedes

        • ihfree on 29/08/2022 - 09:32

          Sorry, for the misinterpretation. I felt that your post could go either way and was a bit more in the other direction.

          you can do better then a M2 Air at $1717 i reckon similar spec 2/3 of the cost if i looked hard enough

          Agreed - I would also expect to pay less for either system. This was just a quick comparison for the comment.

          • Trying2SaveABuck on 29/08/2022 - 09:54

            @ihfree: Honestly speaking ive had Apple and Samsung phones currently have a Galaxy 21s

            i probably 'prefer' Apple the issue i had was the inability to slot in an SD card to increase hard drive storage capacity but my 21s doesnt have this feature (i didnt realise that when i 'upgraded' from my 10e)

            if when i upgrade next the current Samsung doesnt have an SD slot im going back to Apple IOS it is simpler and have better privacy features.

            I have grown out of playing emulators etc on my phone like it did 5 years ago so the reduced functionally of the IOS system to Android is outweighed by its user friendliness and security

  • Cletus vandamme on 29/08/2022 - 09:10

    Like or hate something who cares. As long as It works as intended and doesn't break easily that's all I care about. Fanboys and haters act like they have a stake in the companies.

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