R U OK OzBargainers? (2023)

R U OK?

R U OK? Day is an annual day in September (today, 14/9) dedicated to remind people to ask family, friends and colleagues the question, "R U OK?", in a meaningful way, because connecting regularly and meaningfully is one thing everyone can do to make a difference and even save lives.

We do this every year and are now focussing our donations to mental health charities. The last few years have been a struggle for many of us. I'm sure I am not alone in having numerous conversations over the past few months checking on the well-being of others (and on myself) in a meaningful way.


Hot Tip: Medicare provides free (or subsidised) sessions with a psychologist after a referral from a GP. It's free/cheap so you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Most mental health issues are very much treatable with professional help. Trouble is that most of us are too scared, embarrassed, or lack self awareness to seek professional help. If you have a broken foot, most people will have no hesitation in seeking a doctor because we know it can be fixed but for mental health issues (which can be just as well treated) we quietly carry on even though the pain and harm may be 1000 times worse. (credit: Bluberry)


The comments and PMs we received last year are part of why we are proud to support R U OK? Day by changing our colours and promoting their cause.

One of the biggest challenges to OzBargain and other online social media sites (e.g. Instagram, Twitter) is promoting an environment where everyone feels comfortable commenting and discussing issues (or deals). We should all recognise that our comments have consequences both positive and negative. People don't participate on a discussion site to be attacked or bullied. While some people may say 'suck it up' and that people should not be so sensitive, we should be aware that we don't truly know the people behind these accounts. Some are young, some may come to here to escape a tough reality, be mentally unbalanced, or they possibly could have thick skin. We just don't know.

On the flip side, a simple gesture such as thanking someone or sending a friendly PM can go a long way. We made a post about contributing to a more positive OzBargain environment and we've had some great results changing some users behaviour by thinking about the impacts of their words.


Over the years of running this initiative on OzBargain (and offline) we've also received some comments making jokes about RUOK? Day. That's fine and jokes are a great way to break the ice. While those people may be OK, many times they are not both in real life and on OzBargain. Keep asking, be meaningful in the way you have your conversation and don't ask just today but any day.

We have forums where you can discuss relationships or anything else off-topic. Also, if you see any comments where you think the person may be struggling, please report to us and we'll get in touch.

You can also feel free to chat with us in the private Talk with a Moderator forum if you have any OzBargain related issues. Or send me a PM about whatever you want (except moderation issues). Please see our Mental Health Page if you need to speak to someone including live chat.

For confidential advice and support call a crisis support line – such as Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467.

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ASK R U OK?
  • Be relaxed, friendly and concerned in your approach.
  • Help them open up by asking questions like "How are you going?" or "What’s been happening?"
  • Mention specific things that have made you concerned for them, like "You seem less chatty than usual. How are you going?"

IF

  • If they don’t want to talk, don’t criticise them.
  • Tell them you’re still concerned about changes in their behaviour and you care about them.
  • Avoid a confrontation.
  • You could say: “Please call me if you ever want to chat” or “Is there someone else you’d rather talk to?”
LISTEN WITH AN OPEN MIND
  • Take what they say seriously and don't interrupt or rush the conversation.
  • Don’t judge their experiences or reactions but acknowledge that things seem tough for them.
  • If they need time to think, sit patiently with the silence.
  • Encourage them to explain: "How are you feeling about that?" or "How long have you felt that way?"
  • Show that you've listened by repeating back what you’ve heard (in your own words) and ask if you have understood them properly.
ENCOURAGE ACTION
  • Ask: “What have you done in the past to manage similar situations?”
  • Ask: “How would you like me to support you?"
  • Ask: “What’s something you can do for yourself right now? Something that’s enjoyable or relaxing?”
  • You could say: "When I was going through a difficult time, I tried this… You might find it useful too."
  • If they've been feeling really down for more than 2 weeks, encourage them to see a health professional. You could say, "It might be useful to link in with someone who can support you. I'm happy to assist you to find the right person to talk to.”
  • Be positive about the role of professionals in getting through tough times.
IF THEY NEED EXPERT HELP
  • Some conversations are too big for family and friends to take on alone. If someone’s been really low for more than 2 weeks - or is at risk - please contact a professional as soon as you can.
CHECK IN
  • Pop a reminder in your diary to call them in a couple of weeks. If they're really struggling, follow up with them sooner.
  • You could say: "I've been thinking of you and wanted to know how you've been going since we last chatted."
  • Ask if they've found a better way to manage the situation. If they haven't done anything, don't judge them. They might just need someone to listen to them for the moment.
  • Stay in touch and be there for them. Genuine care and concern can make a real difference.

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Comments

        • +2

          I'll raise it in future but in these highlighted threads I do see it constantly and it stays up for the duration of the post.

          • @Zondor: Keep in mind we get around 6000 reports a month & numerous TWAMs. Reports & TWAMS made over the weekend may not be actioned for a couple of days so comments may sit visible for a while at times until someone can attend.

            See stats to give you an idea.

            • +1

              @neil: Yeah absolutely, the ones I am talking about are on the threads that make it to the homepage.

      • +1

        I've reported stuff before and mods have often removed the posts. It's on the community to shape the community. Moderators are there to oversee but we all have a part to play in the tone of conversation on ozb.

    • +2

      It's pretty ironic lol. "We'll just let these people bully other people on the forums but hey, R U OK???" LMAO. If I didn't know better I would assume this R U OK? stuff is more of a piss-take than anything.

  • -2

    Take a cement pill australia.

  • +15

    R U OK day is just companies pretending they care.

    Like my work promotes the day but who wants their coworkers actually asking if they're okay? I'm not going to burden you with my problems, even if I'm feeling shit I'm just going to say "I'm alright".

    I think it's pretty useless to promote it at work, in your personal life it may actually be useful when approaching someone you're close to but businesses promoting it never made sense to me.

    Maybe it would also be more effective if it were more than one day and promoted in different ways. It seems to just be that day where people talk about mental health and then forget about it until the next year.

    • +6

      R U OK day is just companies pretending they care.

      This is pretty much what it feels like.
      Had a co-worker at an old job actually say no previously(all managers had to ask their staff the question on the day) after having troubles finding a new place when their landlord notified them they were selling the one he was staying in. The guy worked there for several years, rarely took any leave and was what you would consider a 'high performer', but that month was visibly off. He had to take a few days off work to go for a bunch of extra inspections closer to his notice date and returned to work only to receive a written warning and had to sign an 'improvement plan'. He quit shortly after.

      There are a few exceptions, but most work places would rarely genuinely care or would be understanding about your mental health or outside work issues. There are better support resources, work is the last place I'd approach unless the issue was specifically work related.

      • +4

        Lmao what a stupid company. After all the hard work put in it goes unnoticed but a short time of "unproductivity" gets noticed

      • -1

        A performance plan and written warning after just 1 month? That doesn't add up, no company would ever be able to justify that if it went to Fair Work.

        Performing well is one thing but what I find is that if you're well liked at work, nobody (including your manager) is going to ignore your suffering if you genuinely tell them you're having a hard time. Sounds like this guy wasnf well liked.

        • +2

          Sounds like this guy wasnf well liked

          Doubt it, most people seemed to like him and several people in his team left shortly after this happened. I've worked at a place back in my uni days where managers would write up people for the smallest things, particularly if you had performance issues for 3 days in a row.

      • +4

        Agree. The question RUOK at work is at best box ticking and at worst unwarranted intrusion. It usually has as much sincerity and utility behind it as the waitperson asking "how was your meal?". In both cases, the expected and safe response we nearly always give is "yeah, great'. Just as the restaurant is not interested in entering discussion about the meal you just ate, so most people asking RUOK only want to hear a positive answer. And those that don't are completely unprepared for anything other than a positive answer, and a subset of them are self serving stickybeaks. Lifeline etc are a much better course and your employer can't use your private business against you.

      • +2

        When people leave companies, they essentially leave their managers.

        That story sucks, because I have first-hand experience about that "high performing / ~zero sick leave" setting,
        so you are right about work places 'not caring'.

        It really comes down to the culture & behaviours set by the people who are in leadership positions,
        and leading by example on a daily basis, and rewarding good behaviour to sustain that positive culture.

        Unfortunately, people are generally self-centred, and putting them all together in a company,
        where they're vying for recognition, promotions, etc… it is not a nice environment for people
        who can slip into their own personal vulnerabilities, and then dealing with sociopaths.

        Besides, companies just want to 'virtue signal' their way onto supporting the next "current thing", eg. "R U OK",
        but when it comes to practicing it, most people would prefer NOT to get involved in another person's personal troubles in the workplace.

    • +1

      Maybe pull a stunt and everyone says they’re not ok and test your theory. Can you imagine the look on your bosses face?

  • +5

    Great to see this initiative on OzB. Thanks guys.

  • +1

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhZTNgAs4Fc "My Chemical Romance - I'm not Okay")

  • +4

    I never knew how undeveloped "modern" psychology was until I needed it's services. I don't think we truly want to accept or fund it's research for fear of having to recognise people's dilemmas hence the suicide rate.

    • -1

      Psychology services are fine. People are just used to expecting a magic pill to solve all their problems so they just give up when that option fails. It's telling that the biggest health problems society faces are the ones that require personal responsibility and discipline. Obesity is a global crisis for no other reason except that people are lazy. Mental health is very similar. People refuse to work on themselves or entertain the idea that their lifestyle decisions are hurting them.

      We live in a toxic culture where everything goes. Drugs, sex, and alcohol are being introduced to children at such a young age, they never stand a chance.

      We just spent the last 3 years deeply polarised, locking people inside, taking away their jobs or social support, only to flick a switch and pretend we care.

      It's like the government pretending they care about the cost of living, but then they take every opportunity to charge you for something. Here's a $647 fine for breaking a trivial road rule, see ya next time….

      • +1

        Obesity is a global crisis for no other reason except that people are lazy. Mental health is very similar. People refuse to work on themselves or entertain the idea that their lifestyle decisions are hurting them.

        There is increasing evidence to suggest that the way food is manufactured and presented (Fats, salt, flavour enhancers, additives) is chemically addicting. Food that is unhealthy and addictive, but tickles the deep part of our monkey brain (the salts/fats/carbs center) is way easier to sell and market than "non addictive healthy stuff". Capitalism Baby!

        Also, maybe its stressful for slightly evolved hairless apes to live in a hyper connected world, capitalistic world, tasked with an entirely different set of problems than the biological hurdles that we have evolved and adapted to solve?

        Nah, simply people are lazy and lack self control. Maybe I'm the monkey brained ignoramus to not realise that, D'oh!

        EDIT: I'm not blaming capitalism because its the "woke thing" to do, I'm just saying that capitalism and naturalistic processes arent exactly compatible/synergistic.

        • +1

          People are lazy af and meatgasm is woke af and the government should care more on a personal level for every individual in the country by reducing the cost of living whilst giving everyone a big hug and we should all be allowed to break trivial road rules without consequence (where 'trivial' is defined by SlavOz)

          On a serious note SlavOz, I agree that there are people that are averse to taking personal responsibility and just blame everyone else for everything….but SOME of these people actually have mental health issues that make it really really REALLY hard.

  • +2

    Another user mentioned that treatments don't really work but I have to say that SSRI's have helped my anxiety a great deal.
    I combine that with 1g of EPA (from fish oil) to reduce inflammation and for its synergestic effect with SSRI's. (1)
    I also take a standard dose of creatine (5g/d) because I am a vegetarian and creative has shown to improve efficacy of SSRI's. It's also really helpful for someone starting SSRI's to have the drug work faster. (2)

    1: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41398-019-0515-5
    2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4624319/

    Besides specifically what I am doing, I want people in a more general way to know that there are different ways to get help and improve your situation if you're struggling. Speak to your doctor. Your situation is not unique

  • +1

    Such a nice initiative.

  • +2

    I reckon this should be turned the other way instead and have a slogan like "Be Brave" to seek professional help, talk to someone if you are feeling down, etc. Because a lot of times people in need would usually just reply "yeah, im doing fine", "all good", etc.

    • +3

      yeah, im doing fine

      That's usually code for"I don't want to share my problems with you, guy that I work with but barely know".

  • +3

    Just another scam organisation, funneling in the cash.
    https://www.ruok.org.au/partners

    • to be a legit org, are they required to not have sponsors??

    • Its a start. So dont feel like you just rambling on.

    • +1

      Not rambling at all mate!

      When you have the energy, have a read about languishing. Adam Grant has a good write up on it and so does the beyond blue site
      https://coronavirus.beyondblue.org.au/COVID-normal/supportin…

      Languishing is the feeling that you’re stuck and empty. That you’re not on top of everything but also not feeling really down.

      • +1

        Thanks MB. Have never heard of the term so will read up on it.

        • +1

          Check out - Who moved my cheese. It's a 40 page parable (but even the wiki is enough to give you an idea) of overthinking things, human dynamics and a simple guide on how to move forward in life. Everyone gets stuck in the weeds occasionally mate but keep moving forward and find your cheese.

  • -7

    Is this the one day of the year where we reflect whether glorifying and rewarding mental illness is really the right approach?

    It went from breaking the stigma to giving people endless likes and dopamine hits for whinging about their problems.

    If you have a mental health crisis, pouring out your life story on Reddit or anywhere on the internet isn't going to help. Dare I say you're just wasting time and looking for empty words to reaffirm the poor choices you've made.

    I swear, the typical story is "my life sucks because my 6th boyfriend in 3 years won't pay child support to me and my current partner whom I'm in an open relationship with, please help".

    And everyone is like "oh you poor soul, such a tragedy".

    • +6

      And everyone is like "oh you poor soul, such a tragedy".

      RU OK SlavOz ?

      • +5

        I wasn't. But now that you've asked me, all my problems have been solved.

        It works!

        • +3

          all my problems have been solved.

          Great news…

          Now you can cancel the surgery, right?

      • +3

        Statistics 120 posts / 94696 comments

        R U OK

        • +6

          I test keyboards for a living…

          • +1

            @jv: …also keyboard warriors.

        • +1

          Lmfao

    • +2

      "glorifying and rewarding mental illness" u wot

    • +2

      If you have a mental health crisis, pouring out your life story on Reddit or anywhere on the internet isn't going to help.

      Isn't this basically how counselling works? Counsellors get paid a living to listen to people's problems. It is obviously effective for some people.

  • +9

    R U OK?

    Nope.

    Awkward silence

    So now what?

    Don't ask the question unless you're prepared for the answer. And coworkers and managers, funnily enough, are probably the least suitable of all people to be discussing issues with. The 'yellow-washing' is awful despite the good it should stand for.

    • +1

      So now what?

      Read the opening post.

      • +2

        So glad you could ignore the entire point of my post, and provide an excellent example of what I was actually talking about.

        "I'm not actually interested in your life, but here's a photocopied brochure with some phone numbers we found on the internet. We have never used them but they don't cost us anything and are therefore approved by management."

  • +5

    hey man, I noticed you are really active in the 50% Shopback Liquorland thread recently…

  • +1

    As somebody who lived overseas for a while, I always found it weird how the local vernacular of "hey how ya doin'?" actually means just "hello". It took me a while to adjust to that, and not respond in earnest. I'm not saying that "R U OK" is a bad initiative, it just seems weird to push that when local vernacular seems to use a term with a similar meaning to be merely a greeting and that's all.

  • +1

    Everything sucks! Thanks for looking out for us!

  • +6

    Its all well and good to do this as a PR stunt, but at the end of the day, realistically, no one gives a toss about you. If anyone did say 'no' to the r u ok question, the person asking would just be in an awkward situation and not know how to deal with it. Neg away but i have not in all the years since this started, once seen it being actually used to good effect. The hr manager even laughed it off as a joke at my last (large) company.

    • +3

      If anyone did say 'no' to the r u ok question, the person asking would just be in an awkward situation and not know how to deal with it

      Indeed.
      I did it to spam caller. He was caught off guard and didn't know what to say or how to segue into his script.

      • didn't know what to say or how to segue into his script.

        You broke them. Im going to try this.

  • promoting an environment where everyone feels comfortable commenting and discussing issues

    Does this include traffic, accident, and infringement advice?

    • +1

      Yes, didn't you see our latest promo?

      • +1

        That is genius. Thanks for sharing!

        • +1

          Credit to Clear who I've just realized has another Big Man Scotty video in his profile. Ha.

  • +4

    While the a large scale implementation of this feels like tokenism, (I do feel it can be) even if it can help 1 person it is worth it. Afterall, it doesn’t cost me anything.

    For those who fear the awkward silence with a “I am not ok” reply, Just tell the person
    “I am not the best person to speak to about this, but there are people who can help you. Please speak to them.”

    R U OK day is not christmas that comes around once a year when we do xmasy things then the rest of the year is not-Christmas.

    Tomorrow is still R U Ok day. As is the day after.

    If it offends your sensibility, you need not partake. You also need not voice your thoughts on why this is not necessary.

  • +6

    R U OK i think is useless virtue signalling.

    Person A: R U OK?
    Person B: no because I might lose my job if I don't take the vaccine and 10 booster shots.
    Person A: Go to hell and die antivaxxer.

    Person A: R U OK?
    Person B: no because house prices are going out of control and I fear I will never own my own place
    Person A: Pay my rent bitch hahaha

    R U OK is just to make the person asking feel better about themselves for pretending to care or pretending to care to look good to other people.

    • +5

      If someone replies in the way Person A does, they themselves are almost definitely NOT OK

      • +2

        Even though it's a tad over-exaggerated, it's quite common to come across these people, seems even the majority

  • +2

    Also:

    Person: hey AusBargains, R U OK?
    AusBargains: I'm okay but if you wanted to pretend to care about me, the least you could do is spell it out properly: Are you okay?
    What is this, msn messenger chat?
    Person: I have to go now.

  • +5

    One of my best mates whom I haven’t seen in a few years (due to living overseas) has just told me his cancer diagnosis has worsened and he’s been told he’s only got months to live. Mid 30s, healthiest/fittest person I know, wife and two young kids - same sort of situation as me. He’s basically asking me indirectly to maybe fly over and have one last catch up, and I have no idea how to process this information. It’s floored me. So today, I’m not doing too great even though I generally have a pretty positive outlook on things and am thankful for what I have.

    • +2

      That's rough, hope you are able to get some time off to go visit (and can afford to do so). Best of luck.

    • Regret can never be undone. Do not create decisions that will leave you with lasting and deep regret imo. If you want to go, sort it out and go. If you don't, it's ok. You may not feel the same way about them as them about you. That's tough to hear and enjoy the convos and time that you can have now with your friend.

    • Do your absolute best to be with your best mate.

      Don't leave it to the would have could have should have pile.

      What i would give up or do to be back to be there when my grandparents were on there final days in this world.

      I miss you grandma. I wish I could hug you once again. You took care of me. 😭😭😭😭😭

  • +4

    Someone streams and gets millions, another stabs someone for $50. Someone posts nudes and gets millions, another is breaking their back day after day for $20/hr. When you look at the world, R U OK?

    • +2

      This is what I mean! The world is what makes us not ok. But how do we change the world?

      • +2

        The onus is on the person who does the wrong thing (e.g. exploits people, bullies others, acts like a jerk, acts selfish, acts like an ignorant moron, thrive on schadenfreude) to change their behaviour. Sadly this won't happen because some people are just wired to be a___holes and were brought up by parents who encourage this a___hole behaviour, so the world won't change.

      • Therein lies the problem. If you expect to change the world. But find you are in a dead end job with little to no savings. Or worst. No job. This at the very least will fustrate you.

        We can effect change in our lives through and with the people near us. Thats a start. All that needs to happen then is for everyone to do their bit.

  • +1

    Not ok, sciatica worse than ever. Bad enough that the pain is 24/7 but numbness sets in as I walk.

    • +2

      Who have you seen and what have you tried so far?

      • Physiotherapist, exercise physiologist, neurologist, orthopaedic surgeon. I'm doing everything required of me. I look and am physically fit but the pain is always there. I was offered surgery with 7/10 chance success rate, success being defined as reduction in pain, 1/10 odds of reherniation of my disc.

        I'm doing calisthenics, foam rolling and stretching everyday.

        Thanks for asking btw

        • +1

          I can empathise. Started rehabbing my lower back 18 months ago probably brought on by part time cleaning work. After waiting a long time with rest, it refused to improve and my mobility became worse. Progress has been very slow and frustrating with constant ups and downs. Improvement rate at 1% per week I'd guess. Never did get a scan so I don't know if it was a herniated disc, but never bothered as the exercises are helping. Hang in there, chronic pain is no joke.

  • +3

    no. Not with 15+ hours unpaid overtime per week, every week for months

    :(

    • +2

      Change ya (profanity) job then

      • +2

        It's not so easy when you're struggling. I have no confidence at the moment so the idea of changing jobs is overwhelming.

        • +1

          Although difficult, it's easier than you think, it's probably fear (of the unknown) holding you back? A change in your job could cure you of your lack of confidence. Who knows?

          Anyone worth anything is struggling often. That's the whole point of a struggle, it's not meant to be easy!

          • @the cringe: User will take your advice, but could you please be guarantor for his loans if things don't work out?

            Worse comes to worse, you might struggle, who knows?

        • YOU know your potential, YOU know what you're capable of and YOU know what you're worth. Don't let your current employer (who know none of the aforementioned) hold you back or tell you otherwise.
          I worked in a dead end job where I was underappreciated for nearly a decade, moved to a different job that was even worse and didn't even last a year there before starting where I am now.. it was hard work but after 7 years of putting in 110% it feels so good to be recognised for my efforts and be rewarded appropriately for it.

          A career change from a toxic / dead end job is one of the best things you can do.

          • +1

            @MrKnowItAll: See, better late than never. And good to see another Primus fan from Perth 😎

  • +1

    The origins of the term "OK" is from a 19th century meme that exaggerates the misspelling of the term "all correct", or "oll korrect".

  • +2

    No. Next question?

    • +1

      Whats the matter mate?

  • +3

    No, but in general only the wealthy are truly OK. The rest of us are just rats in the maze, lookin for the cheese.

  • +1

    Would be funny to be down voted in a post that encourages positivity, then deleted.

  • Still a bit gassy a year later from too much junk food 😩

    • But R U OK ?

      • I noticed I drank a champion amount of whisky in the last 24 hours, so I’m great 💯💪

  • +1

    I'm fine

    • +1

      You’re damn fine JV.

      ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

      • Giggity.

    • Nobody wins, also nobody loses. But we all play this game.. I for one will just let it play out instead of choosing to quit.

      Qualifying for assisted suicide in a country you're not a citizen in, isn't something to set sights on either. If I could fly to Europe, suicide might be the last thing on my mind.

  • +3

    R U OK? Because the yellow OzBargain theme makes my eyes not OK.

    • Yeah whoever Scotty pays for web design seems to favour vomit related colours.

  • +11

    RUOK? Day 2023, being on September 14th, is particularly significant for me.

    It would have been my 21st Wedding Anniversary with my first husband. Instead, we lost him to suicide, shortly before our second wedding anniversary, when our son was only 10 months old.

    I’m sharing in case anyone here needs to hear this.

    You are important, you are needed, you will be missed, your story is not over.

    If you are struggling, or need help, please speak up - I can promise you that your loved ones will be glad you did.

    Take care out there, you lot x

    • So sorry for your situation. Absolutely illustrates how important mental health campaigns like this are. The media can’t report on suicides afaika, so it’s easy to forget how common severe mental health issues can be, and how common they can be. It takes a village to make a man and no one should have to go through life alone, it’s okay to not be okay and need help. The health system failing regular people is not their or anyone else’s fault, except maybe health ministers who should not have been satisfied with maintaining the status quo. We all deserve better.

      • I had people in my life end their lives because in their mind their problems are the end of the world.

        It never is. Start with saying you are not ok. To anyone. Sooner or later you cross path with someone that help you turn things around.

        Suicide is game over. Please don't. Theres so much more you can do in life. Most if not all problems have a solution. It can start with you saying. Hey. Im not ok.

    • Thankyou for sharing.
      It's a perfect reminder that you may think everyone will move on but there's always those left behind that will never forget.

      Even someone whom isn't so close to you may still remember. I still think about my bike mechanic that ended his own life the day after I saw him, I still think about how a week prior he was talking about such grand plans of opening his own shop…

      • My aunties friend was like that. Talking about all things they will be doing. Plans for the future.

        Then next thing they know. He took his own life.

        • That's when you realize it doesn't take much. A minute of insanity can lead to something permanent for a temporary problem.

          It's sad that only if they really knew how many people thought of them. I try to ask people how they are going these days and often ask for a little more if they're too brief just so they know I'm thinking about them.

          • @poweredbysugar:

            It's sad that only if they really knew how many people thought of them.

            This. They feel they are alone. Without so much as someone to talk to or vent.

            A minute of insanity can lead to something permanent for a temporary problem.

            Its really sad. That some people feel that ending it is the only way for their problems to end.

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