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This looks to be the cheapest price in Australia for these new Ryzen AM5 CPUs thanks to the coupon from eBay. A good time to buy if you're looking to upgrade now.
AMD AM5 CPU: Ryzen 5 7600X $495, Ryzen 7 7700X $649, Ryzen 9 7900X $900, Ryzen 9 7950X $1175 Delivered @ Gg.tech365 eBay
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I feel the same way. want the cpu but mobo's are way too expensive
Bad news is AMD seem to have pushed the price of 5000 series CPUs up as they launched 7000 series - so they don't compete with themselves for the new stuff.
They did the same thing with 5000 series
https://web.archive.org/web/20201111164848/https://www.pccas…5600X was a massive jump over the 3600 when it launched back in 2020
"Cheaper" B650 boards should be out soon.
Exactly what was said when Intel 12th gen came 😉
Early adopters tax.
Just wait until Aftershock start putting these in their builds. Then people will be getting ripped big time.
Need DDR5 ram too
Wait for the B650 board?
For all AM5 boards, yep.
And Hardware Unboxed is suggesting they have and are testing a suite of them at sub $USD250, which should make it a little cheaper when they land in Aus. They have an NDA, so can't talk about 'em yet.
They are getting announced next week so I'll wait until then
yeah after getting new mobo, liquid cooling and ddr5 ram it will burn a hole in the pocket
And that hole will burn at precisely 95°C!
Not if you undervolt
@botchie: It's not just about temp but a way of tuning the AMD CPU regardless of generation for max performance - see this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOYYHNGlLs&t=8s
Sexy new boxes.
Makes the 6/12 version looks very expensive
For gaming, sticking with the 5800x3D would be the best for most people.
yea, especially if you already have a AM4 system,
I'm due an upgrade, running a i5 4670k and I'm stuck do I go for the cheap 5000 series with cheaper and a more mature platform right now or do I get onto the next gen platform so I can upgrade down the line easier without having to do another big pc build again.
Just wait a bit for b550 boards and more ddr5 options.
Considering how old your current PC is, it sounds like you don’t upgrade often. If that’s the case then I’d go AM4 with 5800x3D. Excellent performance without paying the early adopters tax.
If you do actually plan on upgrading more often in the future then AM5 is the better option. Though you are still buying a promise that the socket will be supported for a few years. While AMD has a better track record than most, they have broken promises in the past and it’s entirely possible it will happen again@FireRunner: At the moment they're promising "2025+", which likely means the last AM5 chips will release in 2025 and be supported into 2026.
The problem is the change from just node shrinks to having 3D everything over coming years. AMD will have designed for this (they already do the 3D cache thing), but once chiplet stacking comes along it might be hard to keep the same socket going and keep up with Intel.
Intel is changing socket every 2 years for that reason, their "tile" structure is coming in 2023, they'll move onto another socket as well in 2025.
@FireRunner: I agree with this suggestion, only because the more people buy 5800x3d, the more of them floating around for when I feel like upgrading lol.
It depends on how many years the "upgrade down the line" will be. If it will be 3+ years later, you'll probably want a new motherboard even if the latest CPUs are compatible with it.
Based on what happened with DDR4, the expensive DDR5 RAM that you buy today will be "crap" compared to the improved DDR5 RAM in the future. Therefore, the new platform has a high "early adopter tax" and should be avoided unless you need that extra performance today.
Intel 13th gen (4 weeks) or Ryzen 7000X3D (~6 months).
The AMD motherboard will last through more generations of CPU, and the Ryzen 7000X3D will offer best in class gaming performance though the extra cache, but it won't be cheap despite motherboard and RAM prices having fallen by then.
Make sure you're getting full PCIE 5.0 support, probably 2x NMVe slots, and an ATX 3.0 compliant power supply, though the last one might involve a wait for a good semi-passive option.
Liquid AIO will be a must, but there's really good ones starting at $130ish these days, such as the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280mm (A-RGB model tends to be cheaper, but work the same).
Liquid AIO will be a must, but there's really good ones starting at $130ish these days, such as the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280mm (A-RGB model tends to be cheaper, but work the same).
I have to disagree. A good air cooler will be sufficient.
@Caped Baldy: Only if you're not driving heavily single-threaded workloads, and even then it's probably advisable to cap out at 150 W.
There's two years of data showing that time to max temps on good liquid coolers is 4x more than good air (360s vs 90s), and that liquid handles spot temperature spikes better because of this.
In an era of chiplets and 250W power limits, liquid is the right choice for burst performance.
I would get the am4 for sure, paired with this monster CPU and good ram deal you can find, skip the whole 7000
I am waiting to grab one of these on the second hand market once people start upgrading.
Will probably stay on this on AM4 for years as it's best of the best for gaming.
Ryzen 7 5800X3D or the ry 9 5950x?
The 5950x is not a good gaming CPU, even the 5900x would be a better choice as it has slightly higher clockspeeds
what about in regards to editing videos, rendering, processing etc?
@HunterxHunter9000: 5900X and 5950X would be far superior in "content creation" tasks (video editing, rendering etc) than the 5800X3D.
They simply have lots more cores/threads needed for the tasks. 5800X3D is for gaming.
@HunterxHunter9000: A lot of that is handled by GPU hardware now, unless you're trying to squeeze every last drop out of a given bitrate for offline storage.
Check into that for your specific use cases.
no way I am spending ~$500 on a MB,
I bought my B350 back in 2017 for $90, still running it now in my main rig with a 3900X and RTX3070
Give us GPU prices from 2017 please 😓
Food prices from 2017 please.
Petrol prices from the 90's
it's coming….
I expect 4xxx cards to be super expensive.
@Clear: Of course they will be, Nvidia wants people to keep buying 3000 series cards. Can't have the 4000 series priced lower as that pushes 3000 lower. If you price 4000 series higher then even expensive 3000 series cards become "good value" compared to 4000.
Nvidia wins everytime unless the buyer chooses an AMD or Intel card.
@ZachBlasphemy: few places are even suggesting the 12gig 4080 should really be a 4070 but they renamed it due to how expensive it is and people would not accept a 4070 at that price point…
I spent 400 on mb last week, for am5 it would cost ya at least 800.
Especially on the lower model cpus. Then therea the DDR5 tax on top.
So a 7600X is twice as fast as 5600X? I mean based on price lol poor value
Nah it's like 20% ranging from 10%to 30% for most game, reference hardware unboxed channel
Can you use them on an am4 motherboard like the msi x570s edge max wifi?
They're a completely different socket / pin arrangement - AM5… so no
welp and i just upgraded my system to am4 last week, shoulda looked at news.
Wouldn't worry, you'll still get good use out of your new system… AM5 will get cheaper in the next 12/24 months and you can upgrade again lol
Tbh that's what most ppl still should do especially right now. Am5 won't be affordable until mid next year just look at zen3 when it came out
You absolutely definitely can not use the AM5 7-series processors released so far on AM4 motherboards that use DDR4 RAM.
But there is speculation that AMD will at some time release versions of the new processors that will.
That's been quashed, best thing you can hope for is maybe a Ryzen 5600X3D next year if they feel they're non-competitive at $200ish USD.
3D cache is extremely popular for data centre right now, and an AM4 back port for Zen 4 doesn't seem worthwhile given such options.
If I'm only gaming is there any reason to upgrade beyond 5000 series? Rocking 3600 which hasn't hit a bottleneck yet
no, go for 5800x3D
Absolutely not necessary unless you planned to upgrade your GPU.
Agree, the money better goes into gpu for the biggest perform jump
3080 10gb + 3440x1440p 75hz setup
no gaming chair
a 5600 will be a nice upgrade and you can sell the 3600.. the 5800x3D is almost 3 times the price of a single 5600 for 15% more FPS :) SO NOT worth it
i see the 3d gets heaps of hype, is it just at higher res / extreme fps?
Intel 13th Gen is just around the corner no?
a few weeks, some have pre-orders up rn
Unfortunately 13th gen doesn't look very impressive based on their own presentation. Linus Tech Tips just did a YouTube video about all the "adjustments" they did to try and make it look better. One of their own presentations just shows a red line for the 5800X3D out performing 13th gen in gaming.
LTT "Play fair Intel!"
You might want to look at the total absence of the 5800X3D from AMD's slides, as well as 13th gen almost always outperforming it.
Intel have bumped their L2 and L3 cache, both of which are substantially lower latency than the 3D cache solution.
There will be times when the larger cache wins out, but it's very clear they've made a move that trumps the 7000 series.
Well if you actually read Intel's own 13th gen presentation, you would see it loses to the 12900k and the 5800X3D in some games. There only seems to be some eSports titles which benefit. Also AMD advised that the X3D version of 7000 is coming for gamers needing the performance uplift at their product launch presentation.
12900k
One.
5800X3D
Two.
There only seems to be some eSports titles which benefit.
So, exactly where you want to see the fastest frame rates, it's performing? Oh no.
It smashed the 5800X3D on Unreal Engine games too, by the way.
Also AMD advised that the X3D version of 7000 is coming for gamers needing the performance uplift
I jumped instantly on the 1600x back in the day, but with how good the 5800x3D is I’m happy to wait for another gen.
Wait for the intel 13th cpus coming late October.
Reviews and head to heads with the Ryzen line up should be up by then too.
I dont think the intel cards require a new mobo or ddr5 RAM
7600X $500 670X MB for another $500 .. Umm NO Thanks :) These will be all be discounted come Christmas just you watch
Applies to pretty much all new parts 😝
Not related to CPUs, but found this funny :D Must watch for all GPU HODLers including me ;)
When new intel cpu out?
Get a D4 z690 motherboard and a 13th series Intel. If you want to tune some D4 Patriot Viper B die to 4000mhz cl15 will match 7600mhz cl36 DDR5 in gaming performance.
For reference:
If gaming is the priority the 7X3D will kill all CPUs when it gets released.
I think it will match the 13900K as the 12900k matches 7950x and 5800X3D unless AMD have some trick up their sleeve and if you can wait another 6 months. Plus jumping to DDR5 is too expensive for most also and it looks like things will only get worse.
With AM5 you can upgrade till Zen 6+. With Intel nothing. Thats another point on AMDs side.
@John Doh: I guess but a 13900K with this gen or next gen GPU will last you 10 years easy you won't have to upgrade if only gaming for many many years.
For reference, please read the Intel PPT about the 13900K gaming performance this week. Page 17.
5800X3D is still the best choice for gamers. I will wait 7X3D next year.
https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2022/2022innovation/13th…
@xzclzj: That's the 13900K running on slow memory try it with 4000mhz cl15 the 12900k matches 5800x3d with 4000mhz cl15. 5800x3d is good for plug and play gamers who don't want to tune.
@dontbeatightarse: Thats why the 7X3D would still be a better choice for gaming. And if you dont render, you can get away with lower power consumption of the 7X3D compared to 13900K. With newer GPU, if you still upgrade to 13900K, newer PSU is inevitable. Thats another load of money for ATX 3 PSUs.
7X3D, B650, DDR5, 7800XT and you are set for another few years. I will still consider the 16GB 4080 if the price drops by Jan/Feb.
@dontbeatightarse: Thanks for the information. I was considering updating from 8700 to12600K. But, after going through the reviews, I will wait for 7X3D next year.
@dontbeatightarse: Did you actually read the fine print in their presentation. All the other CPUs were gimped, including the 12900k, compared to the 13900k which used the fastest memory in their own presentation. Refer to the Linus Tech Tips video "Play Fair, Intel!" posted in the last 24hrs.
@shellshocked: I'm talking about max overclock vs max overclock both platforms no bias community supported review. Not from Intel or any main stream tech tuber shill.
@dontbeatightarse: What bias? They are referring to Intel's own launch presentation for 13th gen. Even the Intel Reddit community picked up on the strange marketing strategy in their presentation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/xpmc9q/whats_up_with…
@shellshocked: 12900K vs 5800X3d review
12900k wins so does 5800x3d depending on the game. So basically a tie. That means the 13900K will beat it by the same it beats the 12900k at least 10 to 15%. 7800X3D will have 15 to 20% uplift if they are lucky. Going by 7950X I don't think so as 12900k matches the 7950X.
@dontbeatightarse: Please refer to Intel's own presentation on 13th gen before making any assumptions, and the LTT analysis of the Intel presentation which ,where it actually loses to a 12900k and a 5800X3D In the games they used.
@shellshocked: I think you're getting confused. I don't care about Intel or LTT. I'm talking about both platforms maxed out vs maxed out 13900k vs 5800x3d. The 5800x3d doesn't even really benefit from memory OC because of such a large cache so it's going to have minimum impact on even Intel's comparison. You can increase CPU clocks by 200mhz on MSI board. Either way 13900k beats it by 10 to 15% will have to wait for 7800X3d but that should bring another 15% uplift tieing it with the 13900K.
Surprised there is no HODL comment, Intel 13th pricing is competitive, AMD might drop some more, wait for reviews for the 13th
Why Hardware Unboxed have the 12900K beating the 7950X in 12 game average by 2%.
Going for 1*900k or *950X for just gaming is a waste to say the least based on some fps numbers.
Its wrong on many levels to buy hardware as soon as its released. Best buy in January/February.
Reviews on all CPUs and GPUs will be out in 2 months.
Mother board comparisions will be out in a months time.
Customer reviews - which are important also start showing up.
Prices will come down in three of months. Huge demand for latest hardware would have reduced.Thats when you compare and buy. Nothing wrong in buying now tho if one has the absolutely need.
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Good price for the CPU but AM5 mobos are too expensive :(