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v-color Skywalker Plus Golden Armis 64GB (2x32GB) 4266MHz CL19 DDR4 RAM $311.24 Delivered @ Amazon AU

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Top bin Hynix DJR CJR with aggressive XMP profile and nice heatsinks, can be manually tweaked to run at more standard 3200 and 3600 speeds
v-color are based in Taiwan and specialise in memory similar to TeamGroup

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4266 @ CL19-26-26-46 1.50V

Underclock timings
4000 @ CL18-22-22-42 1.40V
3600 @ CL18-22-22-42 1.35V
3200 @ CL16-18-18-38 1.35V

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  • Dvbargain on 11/10/2022 - 12:08
    +4

    Nice but jees those subtimings lol

  • futaris on 11/10/2022 - 12:11

    Didn't Skywalker lose part of one of his arms?

  • HunterxHunter9000 on 11/10/2022 - 12:43

    this or https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07Y4ZZ7LQ?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_… running at 3200 16-20-20-40 ?
    on ryzan

    or can I try pushing this to 34 or 36 at 16?

    • Look Up on 11/10/2022 - 13:26

      https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/723930 for running stock 3200 @ CL16-18-18-38
      This v-color if you want underclock to 3600

      32GB DIMM's are not easy to tweak so play it safe

      • HunterxHunter9000 on 11/10/2022 - 13:40

        are they really 16-18-18-38? i bought patriot memory which said CL16-18-18-38 but turned out to be 16-20-20-40 also is there a ain't performance difference between them?

        also at 3600 can it hit cl 16 on v?

        • Look Up on 11/10/2022 - 13:52
          +1

          Yes, Timetec timings are real. Patriot and Corsair reguarly swap IC's for the same model numbers which explains your silent downgrade.

          Can you see the difference between CL16-18-18-38 and CL16-20-20-40 in benchmarks like AIDA? Yes. Will you actually feel the difference in everyday usage and gaming? Very likely no

          Can the v-color do 3600 @ CL16 and run stable? Only you can test that because it depends on the RAM, memory controller and motherboard quality

          • HunterxHunter9000 on 11/10/2022 - 13:54
            +1

            @Look Up: Ok thank you for the feedback appricated.

          • Ahbal on 11/10/2022 - 14:10
            +1

            @Look Up: Can confirm, bought a timetec 64gb 3600 cl18 kit, XMP profile runs perfectly.

            Difficult to tune outside of that, but for the price, no bother for me imo.

  • SamyKn on 11/10/2022 - 13:25

    how come 3200MHZ is more expensive than 4266?! or am i missing something because of less compatibility of 4266Mhz?

    • HunterxHunter9000 on 11/10/2022 - 13:39

      Because the 3200 at cl 16 is the same or sometimes more performance than 4266 cuz its at cl 19, if it was cl 18 it would have been more expensive.

      • OMGJL on 11/10/2022 - 15:04
        +1

        false information!!!

        3200MT (megatransfer) means:
        this ram will make 1,600,000,000 pulse signals (a high spike and the low spike together count as 1 pulse) per second. (1 mega herz = 1,000 kilo herz = 1,000,000 hz)

        CL16 means:
        out of the whatever amount of pulse signals, it need to wait for 16 pulse signals, in order to ensure everything transferred correctly and not too early.

        which means 16/ 1,600,000,000= 0.00000001 second = 10 ns.
        on 3200 cl16 memory, it takes 10ns delay after a CAS command, so it have a real-world latency of 10ns.

        4266c19 takes ~8.9ns delay after a CAS command proof:
        19 / 2,133,000,000 ~= 8.9076ns

        • HunterxHunter9000 on 11/10/2022 - 15:32
          -2

          That's true but can you actually see or feel the difference aside from benchmarks? probably won't even see it in fps unless its at least cl18. I've looks into tests and all tests I've seen show no fps difference only benchmark numbers.

          • SamyKn on 11/10/2022 - 15:45

            @HunterxHunter9000: Thanks bud , appreciate your response!

          • OMGJL on 11/10/2022 - 17:18

            @HunterxHunter9000:

            can you actually see or feel the difference aside from benchmarks

            this mainly because auto sub timings is trash, but a ram that can do 4266 means it is definitely OC capable, you are able to downclock to senseable frequency like 3733 range while tighten subtimings, where 3200c16 is very unlikely able to increase its frequency.

            probably won't even see it in fps unless its at least cl18

            this contradicts with your last sentence and is ridiculous.
            You can't find the difference between 3200c16 (10ns) vs 4266c19(8.907 ns), let alone with the huge bandwidth difference (theoretical max bandwidth for 3200 is 50GB/s, 4266 is 66.6GB/s)
            but you can find a noticable difference between 4266c18 (8.4388ns) vs 4266c19(8.907 ns)

            If you don't know what you are on about, you shouldn't educate anyone else.

        • SamyKn on 11/10/2022 - 15:44

          Thanks mate for great explanation , i'll target lower CL then
          currently running 2666Mhz CL19 looking to upgrade

          • OMGJL on 11/10/2022 - 17:41

            @SamyKn: HunterxHunter9000's explanation is vague and borderline correct.

            CL (cas latency) is 1 indicator of how good a memory is, there are a lot of other factor like Voltage, tRCD, tRFC(tRFC won't be shown on the XMP profile), ranks, x8 width vs x16 width.

            by simply listen to him and get high frequency and low CL you are most likely going to get screwed. like :

            Intel 12th Gen Non-K can only guarantee around 3466 (3600 will fall into gear2 which tanks performance),
            Intel 12th Gen K ceiling can be anywhere between 3900 to 4266
            AMD zen2/zen3/Intel 11th gen usually hovers at 3733 before un-couple the memory controller.
            AMD Zen1/zen+ is anywhere 2933~3200, but very few could reach 3600+ with very specific memory.
            Intel 10th gen have ceiling around 4266 but few could even reach 4800.

            also motherboard plays a big factor:
            4 layer PCB in best case scenario (1dpc 1r) goes 4400, with 2rank it drops to around 3600, with quad rank it tanks to below 3200.
            6 layer PCB can do 5000 in 1dpc 1r, but only around 4400 with 1dpc 2r, etc etc.

            with XMP profiles it's still hard, I have played with a lot of memories and to be honest even till now I still can't decide out of 2 similar xmps, which exact xmp profile is a better bin.

            e.g. 3600 16-16-16-36 1.35v vs 3600 14-15-15-35 1.45v,
            higher voltage means the manufacturer factory overclocked the chip harder, by applying the same amount of voltage on 3600c16 kit you may end up with better OC, but yet higher voltage shows the manufacturer is confident that this very chip has good voltage tolerant and maybe even temperature tolerance.

            • HunterxHunter9000 on 11/10/2022 - 18:17

              @OMGJL: "by simply listen to him and get high frequency and low CL you are most likely going to get screwed."

              My entire series of the helpful event I gave out was lower cl on a lower mhz would be better than a higher mhz with a higher cl unless you can get that higher mhz with lower cl.

              which fundamentally isn't wrong. His original comment was why the lower mhz be more expensive than the higher mhz which I believe you just answered which I overlooked due to my less knowledgable self and thank you for providing him and me with explanation.

            • SamyKn on 11/10/2022 - 19:12

              @OMGJL: Appreciated mate , really thanks for your deep insight
              i learned good stuff today , thanks again :)

  • OMGJL on 11/10/2022 - 14:00
    +2

    Top bin Hynix DJR

    Definitely not DJR, in order to make a 32GB single stick non-ECC DDR4 stick, you need to use 16Gbit (2GB) ICs in dual rank configuration, there is no other option.

    The DJR we usually refer to (that have a very good voltage scaling and are able to push frequency super high) is 8Gbit DJR, moreover there is no 16Gbit DJR.

    In order to happily take 1.5V and have high frequency, I suspect this RAM is using Micron 16Gbit RevB, as I have not heard any other 16Gbit DDR4 chip have high frequency+good voltage scaling.

    with aggressive XMP profile

    4266c19 is not aggressive, tRCD of 26 on 4266 is far from even average.

    • Look Up on 11/10/2022 - 14:36

      You are right, it is not DJR but is Hynix - it is CJR H5ANAG6NCJR-XNC

      • OMGJL on 11/10/2022 - 14:47

        again, you need to specify this is 16Gb CJR, because there are 8Gb CJR as well as 16Gb CJR.

        The CJR we normally refer to (cheap to get, easy to overclock, available in 8Gx2/16Gx2), is 8Gbit CJR, although both are CJR but the normal impression of CJR is 8Gbit CJR.

    • Ice009 on 12/10/2022 - 03:23

      Can anyone recommend a decent 64GB of RAM that is not too expensive, but also not looking for the cheapest. Currently have 32GB (4x8GB) Hyper X Predators running at 3600Mhz 18-18-18-39 on my current system (AMD 3900X), but am finding it not quite enough. Happy with the performance, but I usually have a bunch of stuff open and not finding it enough.

      I am not sure if I will notice much performance difference going down to 3200Mhz RAM or 3600Mhz RAM at worse timings. I am also looking to upgrade to 5900X or 5800X3D later on, so would like whatever I get also work well with either of those CPUs.

      I should have gotten a set of the Crucial Ballistix a while ago when they had deals on them and more stock, but didn't know whether to get 2 x 32GB or 4 x 16GB.

      • Look Up on 12/10/2022 - 09:32
        +1

        Both currently around $200 and will need 2 sets, Kingston usually has good Black Friday sales so if you can, wait until then

        KF436C16RB1K2/32
        Kingston FURY Renegade 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16-20-20

        CMK32GX4M2D3600C16
        Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16GB) 3600MHz CL16-19-19-36

      • OMGJL on 12/10/2022 - 10:08

        what motherboard do you have?

        it is usually best to get 2 sticks of 32G than 4 sticks of 16G as most new motherboards are using daisy chain memory topology and using 4 sticks can worsen the signal by a lot,

        also 32GB per stick is guaranteed to be dual rank 16Gbit modules so you won't see too many variety, and before getting over dual rank your memory controller is unlikely to complain.

        16GB per stick could be single rank 16Gbit modules, or dual rank 8Gbit modules, if you end up with 4 sticks of dual rank (quad rank) your memory controller is going to have a very hard time and require you do downclock a whole lot. (if you end up with 1 kit of single rank and 1 kit of dual rank, good luck get them to work together, and don't be surprised when you see 2 same kit with exactly the same model number could have different ICs in them)

        but there are few T-Topology mobo around so it depends.

        generally speaking, at 3600, if you want to end up with some overclock-able memories (even if you don't OC them, they generally have better signals which can be more stable), you should aim tRCD(the 2nd one in XMP profile) at or below 20, lower the better.

        maybe check out this patriot

        • Yysng on 18/10/2022 - 23:51

          Thanks, that's very useful !

        • Ice009 on 19/10/2022 - 03:09

          Sorry for the late reply. Thanks for all that information. I'll try and take it in. I didn't realize getting two 32GB kits could cause some much issues. Didn't realize it could differ from kit to kit.

          If you don't mind me asking, what does dual rank, quad rank and all that mean?

          I have a pretty decent MB (Crosshair 8 Hero), so not sure if that changes anything in regard to whether or not I should have two or four sticks installed? I vaguely recall reading when the Ryzen 5xxx series came out that they performed better with 4 sticks of RAM installed instead of two, so that is why I asked.

          • OMGJL on 19/10/2022 - 03:29

            @Ice009:

            getting two 32GB kits could cause some much issues

            Getting RAM in general would cause different issue, i.e. getting dual 8G you could end up with shitty x16 width modules.

            what does dual rank, quad rank and all that mean?

            1 stick of consumer grade memory could have 1 rank or 2 rank, in the most normal scenario when you buy x8 width RAM (what you should get buying consumer grade PC):

            (specifically talking about 1 stick of memory below)
            single rank = memory stick with 8 chips on one side, blank on the other side
            dual rank = memory stick with 8 chips on both side

            consumer motherboard have at most 2 slot per memory channel, if you populate a memory channel with 2 dual rank sticks, you'll get quad rank.
            (note: 2 sticks of single rank memory in the same channel = dual rank, 1 stick of dual rank is also dual rank)

            I have a pretty decent MB (Crosshair 8 Hero), so not sure if that changes anything in regard to whether or not I should have two or four sticks installed?

            this mobo is daisy chain, so don't use 4 sticks unless you have to (or you want to give yourself some trouble)

            Ryzen 5xxx series came out that they performed better with 4 sticks of RAM installed instead of two

            First, 4 sticks of single rank is dual rank, so is 2 sticks of dual rank, it is ranks that give you performance gain, not exactly sticks
            Second, DDR4 in general have performance gains using dual rank, including all Intel, including Ryzen 1xxx, 2xxx, 3xxx…..

            • Ice009 on 19/10/2022 - 12:50

              @OMGJL: Thanks for that great explanation. I really learned a lot.

              Alright, so two channels with two separate kits of dual rank, makes 2 memory channels of quad rank and that can put huge strain on the memory controller, so it's always better to have one memory channel of quad rank? Am I getting that right?

              As for T-Topology MBs, what is the actual advantage/disadvantage of T-Topology compared to Daisy Chain? Is there anywhere I can look to find out what MB has what?

              Also, when buying smaller kits (32GB or less), it's not possible to find out if they are single or dual rank between the same model due to different revisions? I am assuming all single/individual 32GB sticks are always dual rank (to fit all the memory on the stick)? What happens if you wanted to run 128GB?

              Shame about the dual rank/quad rank per channel thing as I like the Corsair Vengeance LPX kit Highmargin posted above with 16-19-19-36 timings, but I guess that Patriot kit you linked to, I guess shouldn't notice any difference in day to day use as those timings are decent too for a 64GB kit?

              • OMGJL on 19/10/2022 - 16:52

                @Ice009:

                so it's always better to have one memory channel of quad rank? Am I getting that right?

                You are half correct.

                there's 2 memory channel on a CPU/Motherboard,
                per channel have 1 or 2 memory slot ——- Hence you see a dual memory channel motherboard have 4 memory slot.
                per slot can have 1 or 2 rank.

                when people say dual rank/quad rank, they actually meant per memory channel.

                As for T-Topology MBs, what is the actual advantage/disadvantage of T-Topology compared to Daisy Chain?

                check this: https://youtu.be/3vQwGGbW1AE

                Long story short, T-Topology make memory trace in equal length hence same delay, so you can use all 4 slot without factoring in memory signal delays, hence it work better with 4 sticks.
                Daisy chain have 1 slot connect to the next, hence when you use 4 slot, BIOS engineer need to worry about delays between each 2 slot. But when you only use 2 slots out of 4, your memory trace is much shorter and have better signals.

                TL;DR of Long story short: all new board is daisy chain, you won't need to check later, don't use 4 sticks with later motherboard unless you like to have extreme amount of memory or like to find yourself some trouble.

                when buying smaller kits (32GB or less), it's not possible to find out if they are single or dual rank between the same model due to different revisions?

                You are absolutely correct on this, 8GB stick could be: 4Gb(512MB) per module x 16 modules hence dual rank, or 8Gb x 8 hence single rank, or 16Gb x 4 (this is x16 width which is absolute garbage),
                16GB stick could be 8Gb(1GB) per module x 16 modules dual rank, or 16Gb x 8 single rank,

                Performance is better using dual rank, and x16 have really shitty performance, so it is a luck in the draw.

                What happens if you wanted to run 128GB?

                4 sticks of 32G and forget about overclocking altogether.

                those timings are decent too for a 64GB kit?

                try this formula: you want at least satisfy one if not both for a overclock-able set of stick:
                Frquency / tRCD > 178,
                Frequency / tCL > 201

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