How Old Should a Brand New Phone Be (Bought in a Big Retail Store - in The Box) ?

Hello, I've just bought 3x pretty expensive Samsung Phones - for myself and my family, it'll be one week today.

I'm planning on taking them back though as I called the Samsung - and they told me how to check the actual Manufacture Date. It turns out these 'brand new' phones were actually made way back at the start of April?

PLEASE don't post any 'snarky/joke' comments/posts - it just dilutes and reduces the number of actually useful replies you receive.
I'm genuinely trying to solve a problem here - not just talking about something meaningless.

For those who think this is a joke - the only reason we stopped using the last 3x phones I had bought the family - was because the software updates ran out.
All of a sudden all the apps started saying - 'you're X is too old - see you later'.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with the phones in general - and just because of the lack of updates - we lost probably at least another 1-3 or more years we could have gotten out of the phones because we took extra care with them. And it was likely really only due to the phone companies wanting you to buy new phones - it wasn't a security/functionality thing. We only used basic apps and regular internet browsing. Everything worked just fine.

These were Samsung Galaxy S5's.

Now you might say - 'dude, that's ancient'… and if you're a fanboy or materialist who needs the latest phone every 6 months - then yeah it is!

However, when I looked into it - I had seen articles solely about how Samsung had shot themselves in the foot because they'd made such a useful/robust affordable phone with 'too much' longevity for a company who relies on making you buy more stuff every year or two.

That's the only reason it was killed off.

I don't have a monthly phone cap, I don't buy a new phone every few years - not everyone has cash to burn.

So they've been sitting in a warehouse somewhere with their batteries slowly draining bit by bit.
Also, it might not be stored properly, might be too hot or too humid etc… who knows.

It might have an older Hardware and/or Sofware version than one that was manufactured Today?

I'm concerned about that as you want the newest phone you can get.
More to the point, I've heard Samsung have said something to the effect of - they guarantee 4 (?) major updates in the life of the product.

Now if you buy a phone that was made today - you'll get 4 updates… but if I buy a phone that was made 7-8 months ago - that might require 1-2 major updates just to catch up to the phone that was made today. So does that mean I'll only have 2 major updates left for the life of my phone (compared to you with 4 left?)

Some of you might think that's not how it works - but no one really knows do they?

Even if the software thing wasn't a concern - it still seems super dodgy/fraudulent to give you such an old 'new' phone'!

Anyone got any advice on my rights here?

If they only have old phones - I might just want a full refund - then try to find somewhere else that has much newer ones….
But can I say that I have that right legally as it was kind of sold under false pretences (not exactly as advertised)?

I don't think the average person would expect a brand new phone to be 7-8 months old already!

Because I bought it at Harvey Norman, I feel like I have to swap them over on the spot with them as they might try to make it impossible to get a refund.
They might make it impossible to swap them over on the spot too… but those are the only two options i'll accept.
There is no way I am sending in a brand new phone less than a week old - could take 1-2 months if you're unlucky.

Now when I go back to the store where I bought it - is there any way that Harvey Norman, or Samsung chat support or someone at a Samsung Store (asked over the phone while I'm at Harvey Norman) can do to tell me the manufacture date of a new phone still in the box at the store? That way I can at least see what I'm getting?

Maybe they can do it from the serial/imei and other numbers printed on the box, or via info from the Store Computer system, or maybe they can contact Samsung or someone else?

The only other thing I can think of - is maybe they can check the Store computer and tell give me the newest stock they received and tell me that date?
If I get someone helpful - maybe they could do that, but if I get someone unhelpful they'll probably just lie and say they can't tell?

My dad suggested that maybe Australia gets lumped with all the old unsold stock from overseas…. he could be right?
We do have a tendency to get screwed over when it comes to retail.

BTW - is this a common issue with many other tech, computer, home appliances type items?
And how do you check other things/brands in advance or while at point of purchase to avoid this kind of ripoff?

Thank you for your help

Comments

  • +8

    You need help.

  • OP the phones aren't "old" they've just been aged to improve their flavour.

  • Bikies.

  • Learn how to do firmware updates - just put Pixel experience on a S8 - brings it to android 13 . Samsungs S series are easy to do, they even allow the bootloader to be unlocked .

  • +8

    Is Scotty giving away a prize for each paragraph of text we post or something?

  • +1

    How long did you draft this diary entry for?

  • +2

    Ha ha ,
    of course I didn't read The great wall of text ,
    I got the gist ,
    but really ,
    Nice Try Troll .

    and on the off chance you're for real , or not ,
    This is what your doing with your life ?
    Really ?

  • +25

    This is what retail workers deal with.

  • +3

    did you check the best before date? always go for the one at the back of the shelf that has a longer expiry.

    • -1

      They don't allow customers access to where high value goods are kept lol

    • lmao

  • +3

    Also, it might not be stored properly, might be too hot or too humid etc… who knows.

    So now you work in logistics? Who are you to question how they store their devices? Retailers don't just chuck their valuable electronic stock under a tarp and let it rip. Sounds like you're grasping at straws to find reasons to return these phones.

    It might have an older Hardware and/or Sofware version than one that was manufactured Today?

    The hardware is the same, just manufactured earlier than one rolling off the assembly line now, that won't be in a customer's hands for another few months. Samsung might install newer firmware before shipping, but other than initial update you should always do, the difference is immaterial.

    Even if the software thing wasn't a concern - it still seems super dodgy/fraudulent to give you such an old 'new' phone'!

    No it's not. A phone is not a head of lettuce that starts wilting the second it's plucked from the ground. All electronics have lead times. You think Apple manufactures tens of of millions of iPhones the week before launch? No, they start making and storing them up for months, so there's enough stock to meet day 1 demand, and they still sometimes sell out.

    This post was shameful. There's already enough e-waste without you also returning three perfectly normal phones for so trivial a reason as this.

  • +3
    NEWS FLASH !! !! !!

    Almost Everything you buy was not recently manufactured.
    Imagine the cost of items/policy changes if everyone took things back to the store because it was made a few months back?
    Maybe just accept reality and exit this bubble-fantasy logic while you still can.

    • +2

      they once reckoned your 'fresh' displayed apples in Colesworths could have been in cold storage for up to 18 months

      all those vitamins - wonder where they went …

  • +1

    7 months especially for an up to date new release plus given logistical problems these days (if there is limited shipping capacity they would prioritize based on company goals). Time to take a deep breath and welcome to Australia.

  • +4

    Was this supposed to be posted on the 1st of April?

    • +10

      That's when he started writing it

      • I'm ….. getting ….. there ….. - ….. Don't ….. rush ….. me ….. !

  • +9

    Tell me you don't understand technology without actually telling me……

  • +5

    The OP still has his lunch money from the 3rd grade

  • +4

    Where is the poll to tell OP they are wrong?

    • +1

      No room for it. OP broke the word limit.

  • +1

    way back at the start of April

    LOL

  • +2

    LOL this must be a troll.

  • +2

    We're talking about mobile phones, right, not yogurt..?

    • +2

      apples and androanges

  • Take the kids to Woolworths starving,
    let them eat all fruit but then take all peelings to the manager and demand a full refund like they give all the money back on all them free bags.
    Then go to the store and tell them how good Woolworths was and demand a working carrier or a choice!

  • +2

    Now if you buy a phone that was made today - you'll get 4 updates… but if I buy a phone that was made 7-8 months ago - that might require 1-2 major updates just to catch up to the phone that was made today. So does that mean I'll only have 2 major updates left for the life of my phone (compared to you with 4 left?)

    No

    • +4

      I have no more brain now

      • purple monkey dishwaster

  • +2

    Expected to see December 2022 sign up date. Shocked to see this guys been around for 11 months lol.

    His brain must of snapped somewhere along the line.

  • +1

    The only thing I would worry about is the battery. I notice Bunnings sell off Ryobi stuff cheap after it's been sitting for a while. They must have a sell by date due to the batteries, which makes a lot of sense. When I've bought these products the battery date has been from maybe 8 months ago and the battery is at 1 or 2 bars. Maybe other stores don't have such strict timelines.

  • +1

    These were Samsung Galaxy S5's.

    Now you might say - 'dude, that's ancient'… and if you're a fanboy or materialist who needs the latest phone every 6 months - then yeah it is!

    I used to be like you. The thought of spending a lot of money on something that theoretically does the same thing as what I already had was ridiculous to me. The reason I changed my mind? I had that same Samsung Galaxy S5, and it was unusably slow, filled up storage quickly, shitty battery, and had a camera that looked like it was from the 2000s. I've upgraded twice since then and both times it's been a massive relief to do so and very much worth the money.

    • +1

      I still have a Galaxy S5 as a secondary music streaming phone and it is barely capable of that. Lags at everything.

  • +3

    This is a troll post, surely?

  • +1

    I'll bet the OP expects the groceries he buys to have been produced the same day he buys them.

    Seriously what sort of fantasy world do you live in if you think that manufacturers just make things and ship them to locations hoping they will be sold specifically that day?

    https://m.gsmarena.com/compare.php3 - you can type in the model of the phone you're thinking of purchasing and it tells you when the device began being manufactured.

    • like the fresh tuna sashimi - that might have been snap-frozen and kept in the freezer of the trawler for 6 months …

      freshly thawed

      like the joke - God of Thunder spies from heaven a pretty maiden, comes down and has his wayward way with her - then stands up and flexes his biceps and proudly exclaims 'I'm THOR !!!'

      reclining maiden after the event says 'I'm thor too - but thoroughly thatithfied …'

  • +2

    So you're complaint is that your old phone is old?

    • I thought the new phones were “old” - manufactured a while back

      • +1

        back in april

        • Oh my, that is fussy - maybe 8 months and it probably spent a month or two overseas.

          • +1

            @WhyAmICommenting: During COVID lockdowns too. Wouldnt be to hard to get a few months on them by the time they're built, stored, shipped overseas to a distributor, then distributor may store for a bit before being shipped to Harvey Norman warehouse where it maybe stored for while before getting allocated to a store, then getting shipped from HN warehouse to a store where it sits before being sold.

            Most stuff is probably at least 3 months old by the time it gets to a retail shelf.

  • +4

    So much effort for troll post.

  • +2

    "Because I bought it at Harvey Norman" LOL. What a troll

  • +1

    First thought was that this has to be a troll, but then I remembered it’s the current year…

    • It is?

  • +1

    Hmm. 4th month of the year, so it's a 7 month old phone…

    I wouldn't bat an eye at, a 2-3 month old phone, I think from manufacturing to delivery that seems reasonable to me.

    All I'd care about, is how healthy is the battery? That's all I'd care about.

    I'd also suggest buying direct from Samsung, it's more likely they don't keep as much stock.

    You're protected by Australian consumer law so, you can return it, it doesn't meet your requirements, etc so, I'm sure you could argue that and it'd be fine. Then go order from Samsung, but again, it's only worth the effort if the battery is not healthy, imo.

  • +1

    Beware, the phone also spreads covid!

    LOL!

    I'd say, enjoy your phones and enjoy life. You're making your life miserable.

    • +1

      Along with those of everyone around him.

  • +3

    You have it all wrong, date of manufacture doesn't make any difference, the same model of phone will get all the same software updates up till the end, and will stop receiving updates based on the last update made available by Samsung for that MODEL, not its manufacture date.

  • +2

    Please let this be a genius troll post.

    Seriously, PM me, I won't tell

  • +6

    Seems like you're missing a few updates.

  • +2

    lmao are you a male karen?

    this has to be the stupidest shit ive read in a long timr

  • +4

    Sir, you are an idiot. Stop wasting everybody's time. Get a life.

  • +1

    I think the apples i bought at the supermarket recently were manufactured before this guy's phone….i thought the complaint was about battery degradation in that time…

  • +1

    I'd reply, but I fell asleep after the 90th paragraph. Verbal Diarrhoea much?
    All i gathered is you think a phone made 7months ago is obsolete and yet you've been happy with your S5 and yet you got the sh#ts because THAT'S obsolete and now you want to return brand new phones because you didnt check when they were made and you think they're obsolete.

    There's a hole in my bucket dear Liza, dear Liza…

  • I am all for customers but you are a problem customer. This isn't food, it's not even a mechanical device.

  • +2

    This has to be a troll

  • Manufactured in April.
    You really expect these phone companies to air freight stock into the country when there's plenty of inventory.

    Oh, you will get flamed even if you repeated asked not to be.

  • +1

    Can you type that all in large font?

  • I don't think the average person would expect a brand new phone to be 7-8 months old already!

    I think your wrong.

    It might have an older Hardware and/or Sofware version than one that was manufactured Today?

    You'll have to call Samsung head office overseas and get them to airfreight you one made Today.

    Good luck taking them back….

  • Doesn't matter when it's manufactured. Since the date of release you get 4 years of UI updates and 5 years of security updates for Samsung. If you want to have the longest time for updates buy a phone on release day and pay a premium.

  • A few things wrong with your post:
    As said you bought the phone model, its unused and factory sealed, what date its made makes no difference, u can still get the updates, all the parts are still the same as they would be had the phone been made more recently.
    You have consumer guarantee under Australian Consumer law for 2 years from Purchase date, not from manufacturing date, so this makes no difference to you.
    If you shop at Harvey Norman you are a chump, they are a pack of thieves taking govt money intended for maintaining jobs then firing people, and rorting the public for overpriced rapid antigen tests.

  • Sounds like the kinda guy who needs to just buy an iPhone SE and enjoy the next 6 years with it.

    There’s a very handy website which can scour the internet for other websites relating to what information you’re trying to find, i.e Manufacturing/release date of ‘X’ phone. It’s called Google, it’s one of the latest and greatest websites and will revolutionise the entirety of the Wide Area Network named the ‘Internet’.
    Basically what you do is go to http://google.com - you will see a search box appear and you just type in your query; a set of web pages will appear, something like ‘Wikipedia’ or ‘GSM Arena’ will appear and will give you a full breakdown of the phone, manufacturing and release dates, system specifications etc.

    Hope this helps.

    Bad troll is bad.

  • Based on how this guy writes in other posts, he is not trolling. Just one of those people that if you saw walking into your store you’ll want to shoot your self. #prayforharveynormanstaff

    • We can only wish OP wouldn’t end up in law firm writing summons… Imagine getting served a 500 page document 🙈

  • -3

    I am pretty sure you can’t buy 3 brand new Samsung S5 phones last week from Harvey Norman. They are 7-8 years old already. There must be something wrong in OP’s brain. Go get a scan, please.

  • suggest the OP smell it - if it doesn't have that fresh floral fragrance, take it back to the shop saying 'this is a fragrant breach of my rites - I want sadist faction !'

  • +2

    I can't imagine the joy Samsung had providing you service or the joy (possibly deserved) that HN will have when you take the phone back. Thank you for providing customer service employees such a great opportunity to improve their skills.

  • It’s a phone, not milk. Date of manufacture is irrelevant. An S5 made today is the same as an S5 made 8 months ago.

  • I have a Samsung galaxy 5s, I have rooted and ROMed it to run AOSP. Give it a try and keep your old phones going.

    Disclaimer: I'm not using the 5s as a daily asit does not do VOLTE and I wanted to see how a degoogled phone operates.

    P.S - tin foil hat not required until you install apps.

  • +1

    I'm genuinely trying to solve a problem here

    You might think so, but you're not.

    It turns out these 'brand new' phones were actually made way back at the start of April?

    Honestly you're probably better off with these, regardless of what you think. Generally the earlier batches of devices are built in the "primary" manufacturing plants, and subsequent units are shipped out to secondary facilities so the primary ones can start churning out the next premium handset. I haven't kept up with the location and standards of every Samsung assembly plant over the last few years, but factor in the knowledge that every component and material that makes up the components and materials of your phone will likely have their own origin and manufacture date that similarly means absolutely nothing to the final product you agree to purchase, and you'll understand how insane your initial complaint is. Unless you plan on tracking back every peice of silver to its original mine in Tanzania to make sure it wasn't raining on the day it was sourced, maybe you should pack this one in.

    All of a sudden all the apps started saying

    No, they didn't. After 8 years they started saying that. To expect a device built 8 years ago to be able to run applications that are designed to take advantage of the latest developments in software, compatibility, processor instruction sets, and so on - that they were never intended to be able to support? I don't think my BluRay player should be able to play Betamax tapes. And to expect app developers to just continue supporting a rapidly shrinking population of phones that don't support the latest standards? No, they shouldn't have to cater to the lowest common denominator, much in the same way my local servo no longer has leaded petrol.

    I had seen articles solely about how Samsung had shot themselves in the foot because they'd made such a useful/robust affordable phone

    I saw an article about the world being flat and the reptilian conspiracy to hide that fact from me. Use some common sense.

    That's the only reason it was killed off.

    No, it's not. The world moves on, you need to too.

    There is no way I am sending in a brand new phone less than a week old

    Which is it? A week old, or 8 months old? You can't even make up your mind.

    I have that right legally as it was kind of sold under false pretences (not exactly as advertised)?

    Did they advertise it as having a certain manufacture date? I absolutely guarantee you that they didn't.

    Anyone got any advice on my rights here?

    You have no additional rights over those provided to you under the ACL - and that doesn't cover stupid ill-informed opinions. Sorry.

    • -4

      No, they didn't. After 8 years they started saying that. To expect a device built 8 years ago to be able to run applications that are designed to take advantage of the latest developments in software, compatibility, processor instruction sets, and so on - that they were never intended to be able to support

      This sentiment (which is posted by a few people ITT) is pretty stupid. I can run windows applications from 1995 on my windows machine, and what's more, I can still install DOS on my hardware made 2 years ago and run software from 1990. I can also run new 32bit software on my old OS/hardware, some applications are still distributing 32bit versions 15 years after x64 became standard. Phone manufacturers have just accustomed you to accept bullshit including locked boot loaders, no root access, no mid or long term software compatibility, no ability to repair, etc.

      • +1

        I can run windows applications from 1995 on my windows machine

        But can you install Windows 11 on your machine from 1995?

        • -1

          That is hyperbole compared to the original point. Modern phones are blocking glorified webpages from running in some cases, my point was never that I should be able to run CoD mobile on a nokia brick from 2002.

          … and in fact I've run modern linux distro releases on ~15 year old hardware.
          If you're referring to windows 11's artificial requirements (eg tpm), i'd point out that is indeed bullshit, and the PC stack does unfortunately seem to be moving closer to the phone stack in this regard.

      • My phone can run software from the 80's….. Completely meaningless to the conversation.

        bullshit including locked boot loaders, no root access, no mid or long term software compatibility, no ability to repair, etc.

        That's true for some; just like it was for some computer manufacturers.

        Make informed decisions in what you buy. If you want root access etc, buy from someone that allows that.

        • If you want root access etc, buy from someone that allows that.

          Lets hope the last major phone manufacturer offering this doesn't turnabout on the policy, otherwise the cost of owning your hardware will become constant maintenance of a DIY software stack running pinephone or something similar.

          Make informed decisions in what you buy

          This is a red herring. It doesn't matter if i'm willing to pay 2-3 times the price for a more durable and repairable stick blender, the market isn't going to make one. If i want a durable mechanical spiraliser i'll need to fabricate my own, it's not a product anybody is selling.

  • @RahRahRand
    These were Samsung Galaxy S5's.

    I'm still using my S5, works fine. If you only use basic functionality, why did you get rid of your S5s?

  • +2

    So when you buy, say, a blender or a microwave. Do you look at the month it was manufactured, or do you go with the model you want, because the model you want has the features you're looking for, regardless of the date of manufacture. I'm going to assume this is a joke and you're a troll, but good effort.

  • its probably relevant to gaming consoles, obviously you dont want to buy a day 1 edition now, when theres a better version already of ps5, as an example.

  • It hurt my eyes to read this.

  • An option with some android phones and tablets were the manufacturer no long provides software updates is to use a custom android port for them.
    I have done it with a oldish samsung tablet.

    Have look around this site for more information…

    https://forum.xda-developers.com/

    • I don't think sort of thing is a realistic option for this person.

  • I'm posting to be a part of history. Hi dad!

  • This cannot be real.

  • All of a sudden all the apps started saying - 'you're X is too old - see you later'.

    Why do you care if the apps think your X is too old?

    Regarding the new phones the only issue here is if the batteries are ok. Given you havent had issues with the batteries its safe to assume they survived the several month storage (which you would expect they would) so just use them.

    You have no grounds for a refund. There is no concern about how long these will be supported for compared to if they had produced more last week.

  • +2

    You're the reason I quit working retail

  • +1

    I've been thinking about this post all day. This internet post is so bad that it's transcended into my reality and affected my day and mood. It hurts, man.

  • +1

    Bikies

  • +1

    I was having a terrible day today but reading this post and the comments made me quite happy for some reason, so thanks OP.

  • +1

    This post is clearly a windup attempt, a pretty good one too. It’s not a serious post.

  • +1

    If the phone model is the same then the number of software updates remaining is the same. Also the hardware is the same.
    I think you're being unreasonable.

  • +2

    What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

  • Mods asleep ? with this troll post….

  • OP logged in a few hours ago. Useless…

  • +1

    Great post. It inspired me to check all the IMEIs of my fruit and veg. The customer service desk at Coles ain't gonna know what hit them.

  • +3

    The trick is to order the phone without pickles and then they have to make you a fresh one there and then

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