Need Advice: Tenant Negligent Dog Owner and Dog Is Pregnant

Mrcamel79 on 07/01/2023 - 09:35
Last edited 08/01/2023 - 23:32 by 1 other user

I have a complicated situation where wife's friend is renting our granny flat. She is a single mum with 2 young kids.

She has recently gone through some trauma and hence why we offered our granny flat to stay until she sorted things out to move into a bigger place of her own.

They have a small dog and I'm already not so happy as she works fulltime and dog is left out all day and yaps often but more concerning is it's alone for upto 12 hours with a kennel and a bowl of food and couple of bows of water and a small concrete path that's fenced off to roam around. I feel quite sorry for it especially given the tenant is gone for so long every day and also the dog never gets walks for exercise or social interaction and is only taken once a week for play outside the house from what I've observed. It's a small daschund.

More concerning is now the dog is pregnant and my tenant seems to not be responsible at all to manage the upcoming litter as still intends to work fulltime and have the dog and litter home alone from morning to night weekdays. She hasn't even taken the dog to a vet and admitted it's been a long time since she did. All she seems to be organising is make the outside area more fence proof and possibly pay someone to come look at them a few times a week. She actually thinks the litter will make her dog quieter and bark less, which I'm not so sure about and I'm more worried about their health and wellbeing.

Note I'm not in a position to help with looking after the dog and litter nor do I want that responsibility.

I'm feeling incredibly uncomfortable with the situation because she seems so oblivious on what a responsible pet owner and especially a soon to be litter owner should be doing.

As she is a friend however and has gone through some serious family trauma , I can't just ask her to move out or give the dog and litter away. If I complain to RSPCA it will be obvious it's from me….

So far I've voiced my concern about not wanting more than 1 dog and suggested foster care for the dog and litter for the 8 weeks till she gives the puppies away. She didn't respond enthusiastically as talked about cost (which I can understand as her finances are tight) but she hasn't even looked into what help is there. Also she seems keen to keep at least 1 puppy for companionship for the mother.

Keen for some helpful suggestions on what is the best approach here.

Thanks.

Pets

Comments

  • Jimothy Wongingtons on 07/01/2023 - 09:56
    +20

    Well how good a friend are we talking?

    Sounds like it’s really going to affect you mentally…

    • Scrooge McDuck on 08/01/2023 - 14:55
      +1

      Plot twist: The tenant was kicked out of home by her husband for harbouring her deadbeat friend in the granny flat.

      • Hangryuman on 09/01/2023 - 12:23
        +9

        experience: when you help people who have habitual problems, you tend to inherit the problem.

        in other words, as soon as you fix one problem, they create another one for you.

        in the end I walked away.

        sounds like the real problem here is the wife - what will she agree to

        'man is the head of the household - woman is the neck - the head is turned by the [sometimes pain in the] neck'

        • kewlaz on 09/01/2023 - 18:39
          +3

          I learnt the hard way that "No good deed goes unpunished"

        • cadwalader on 10/01/2023 - 12:43

          Back to the common advice of friends/family and money don't mix

          But also, when you offer to help people. Think of the exit strategy.

          Lending money, will you get it back? If things goes wrong, what will you do?

          Lending a property/room, will you get it back? If things goes wrong, what will you do?

          In some ways, giving a person money might be better than providing access to a durable posession.

  • Some Human on 07/01/2023 - 10:08
    +74

    “Hi friend of OP. When we said you could live here, we only intended for it to be you, your kids and 1 dog. After ALL your puppies leave home, we insist you desex your dog or find somewhere else to live.”

    Their problems are not your fault, so don’t feel obligated to help them. In my experience, the more you help someone, the more they walk all over you.

    • Mrcamel79 on 07/01/2023 - 11:10
      +7

      Yep thats a great way to frame it and if she still intends to keep the puppies il be asking her to move out with 3 months notice

      • JIMB0 on 07/01/2023 - 19:10
        +9

        Miss Mary Shepherd was only only going to stay for 3 months then move on. Ended up being 15 years. True story, they even made a film about it.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47T0HORY9gs

        • BanannaMan on 11/01/2023 - 13:55

          Good lord, I can totally see that being true too. Gees

      • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 09/01/2023 - 12:15
        -1

        Is there a written lease? Be careful with that tactic.

  • DemocracyManifest on 07/01/2023 - 10:12
    +3

    The dog will sort out the litter and you can split the sale of the puppies when they are old enough

    • Kangal on 08/01/2023 - 23:24
      -5

      Succulent Chinese Meal!!

      • hopper on 09/01/2023 - 08:31
        +1

        BATman entered chat

  • tallkid123 on 07/01/2023 - 10:14
    +4

    Keen for some helpful suggestions on what is the best approach here

    At least take the dog to the vet with/without your wife's friend. Animal lives are at stake here. Best to get an informed opinion.

    • tallkid123 on 08/01/2023 - 18:29
      -7

      Downvoter should be put down.

  • parsimonious one on 07/01/2023 - 10:37
    +25

    Perhaps a controversial opinion, but it sounds like you are getting overly involved in issues that aren’t yours.

    • Mrcamel79 on 07/01/2023 - 11:13
      +3

      Not controversial and is somewhat how my wife feels as she doesnt care.

      However an issue that is mine is the increased noise caused by a litter. Im assuming anything untowards that happens with puppies has no bearing on me as landlord

      • mankeycrazy on 08/01/2023 - 18:55
        +2

        Your wife is correct.

      • TightBungholio on 10/01/2023 - 14:47

        Kick her out and rent it to someone proper

  • DarkOz on 07/01/2023 - 10:50
    +2

    She is a single mum with 2 young kids.

    I am more concerned for her kids to be honest. How old are her kids and are they being looked after properly?

    • Mrcamel79 on 07/01/2023 - 11:14

      No issues with their upbringing as she is very devoted and a great mother to them

      • DarkOz on 07/01/2023 - 13:36
        +4

        If she is looking after her kids well then I would suggest you to have a chat with your wife about her dog. Tell her what's bugging you and what you want to be done to be happier. If her friend doesn't care about you then she doesn't deserve your compassion in offering her your granny flat until she gets back on her feet.

        How are you offering her your granny flat? Normal rent, reduced rent or free rent?

        • Mrcamel79 on 07/01/2023 - 16:27
          +2

          Its reduced rent, basically 50%. The annoying thing is the horse has bolted given dog is already preggers. Im gonna do what what is in my control which is give her 3 months notice to move out

          • parsimonious one on 07/01/2023 - 17:04
            +3

            @Mrcamel79: So to be clear, you are evicting her because her dog is having a litter and there will transiently be puppies at the residence?

            • Quantumcat on 07/01/2023 - 17:18
              -3

              @parsimonious one: Also an undesexed female dog will leak gross liquids everywhere when on heat

              • parsimonious one on 07/01/2023 - 17:28
                +7

                @Quantumcat: seems to me like spurious reason to evict the wife’s friend who, OP acknowledges has suffered recent trauma

                Maybe there is more to it though 🤷‍♂️

                • Quantumcat on 07/01/2023 - 17:31
                  +25

                  @parsimonious one: It probably isn't a fair reason to evict on its own (unless the gross liquids start staining things and the tenant won't fix them), but owning an undesexed dog is irresponsible, breeding it purposefully or accidentally is also very irresponsible and stupid, not getting vet care for the dog is cruel and irresponsible (especially when going through something that will do all sorts of weird and traumatic things to the body like pregnancy and birth) and leaving the dog alone all day and rarely walking it is cruel. Someone who would do all of these things and display such terribly poor judgement will probably also be irresponsible and have poor judgement with the property and personally I wouldn't want them as a tenant. I would see them as a ticking time bomb.

                  • parsimonious one on 07/01/2023 - 17:44
                    +7

                    @Quantumcat: We can agree to disagree

                    Dogs make all sorts of mess and OP knew tenant had a dog when she moved in

                    Dogs can have puppies without vet supervision and it sounds like tenant is short on $

                    I’m sure someone could pick through your life, or mine, and cast aspersions about what is irresponsible and what isn’t

                    There may well be other issues at play but unless the dog is being substantially neglected it isn’t really the OPs business and the dog’s litter seems like dubious reason to evict someone in distress

                    • Quantumcat on 07/01/2023 - 18:30
                      +3

                      @parsimonious one:

                      substantially neglected

                      It is - it isn't being exercised and there is no vet care provided

                      • parsimonious one on 07/01/2023 - 18:39
                        +5

                        @Quantumcat: Firstly, the dog has food, water and space to roam, substantial neglect is long bow to draw from that, but if the OP is really concerned, then OP should call RSPCA

                        Further, as posted below, evicting the tenant doesn’t attend to the dog’s welfare, and the realistically probably makes things worse

                        • Quantumcat on 07/01/2023 - 20:38

                          @parsimonious one: You're right, I wish OP would contact RSPCA, but it sounds like they're not willing to

                          • BartholemewH on 08/01/2023 - 21:11
                            +1

                            @Quantumcat: What do you think the RSPCA will do for a dog with kennel, food, water and space to roam? Serious question.

                            • Quantumcat on 09/01/2023 - 00:29
                              +1

                              @BartholemewH:

                              RSPCA inspectors investigate complaints against all kinds of animals in all kinds of situations. The most common complaints are in relation to the failure to provide adequate food, veterinary treatment or adequate shelter.

                              From https://www.rspcansw.org.au/report-a-cruelty-case/

                              Not providing veterinary care is considered grounds for reporting cruelty.

                              As for what they should do, they should give the owner orders to get vet care and follow up later with the vet to make sure she brought it back when they suggested (eg after puppies are born, or a week before the due date, or whatever). If the owner doesn't comply then the dog and puppies would be taken off her.

                              Also from what the OP has stated the dog does not have any shelter from the sun.

                              Also in some jurisdictions there are fines for owning an undesexed dog without a breeding permit, for advertising puppies without stating breeding permit number, for transferring ownership of unmicrochipped puppies, etc. If the RSPCA does take the dog away it could be saving the tenant a lot of money in fines if she were caught. It might not be the case where OP lives but worth the tenant checking this

                    • burningrage on 08/01/2023 - 15:33

                      @parsimonious one: I agree with this sentiment.

                  • cookie2 on 07/01/2023 - 23:52

                    @Quantumcat: Imo this is a clear understanding of the potential issues and traits steming from a behaviour. Critical thinking may be a challenge in a world where ppl see something, make a judgement and think no further on it.

                  • Mrcamel79 on 08/01/2023 - 15:10
                    +4

                    @Quantumcat: @Quantamcat Thank you, you expressing my sentiments.

                    On other thing i also havent mentioned is that im in Qld, the outdoor area is basically a concrete side path and back unshaded patio area.

                    I hear the dog whimpering often late in evenings or nights.

                    Other times, in hot summer i notice her water is pretty warmin the plastic container and has some backwash of her saliva so i sometimes empty and refill with cool water again.

                    Im not a dog owner and so maybe i have a lack of understanding of whats reasonable or not, but if i did have a dog, i wouldnt be putting it in such conditions and especially not little puppies…

                    • us3rnam3tak3n on 09/01/2023 - 20:42

                      @Mrcamel79: If your concern is for the dog's welfare then evicting the owner is only going to make that worse. Better to keep communicating your concerns imo

                    • CauseNEffect on 09/01/2023 - 22:20
                      +1

                      @Mrcamel79: Is there a reason that you cannot let a sausage dog inside your home for periods of time in the interim? Do you have a garage or laundry area if you are against offering your general living areas? Some dog toys, water and a clean bed inside would help the situation. 30 bucks at kmart would likely sort it.

                      Dogs are family to many owners, a young family likely do feel this way and perhaps the owner cannot afford expensive vet bills at this time.
                      Compassion initially will likely give you the best overall result.

              • Quantumcat on 08/01/2023 - 00:47
                +3

                @Quantumcat: I'd be interested to know if the neg voter has ever seen a dog on heat - it's so gross that their owners/breeders usually put dog nappies on them to contain the mess (and therefore have to go to the trouble of taking them off a few times a day for the dog to go to the toilet or having to change and wash dog nappies soiled with number 1s, 2s, and the liquids from being on heat).

                • iCandy on 08/01/2023 - 08:56
                  +1

                  @Quantumcat: You can buy disposable dog nappies but yes, it’s not fun.

          • DarkOz on 08/01/2023 - 08:35
            +1

            @Mrcamel79: That's fair enough. 50% reduction is not a small amount and consideration her situation and the current rental crisis she would find it extremely difficult to find a suitable rental any time soon…especially with the dog and now puppies.

          • getho on 09/01/2023 - 10:32

            @Mrcamel79: If you've already decided to evict her, were you looking for advice or for justification?

            Its almost impossible for anyone here, without knowing the nuance, to give useful advice. It'll all be kneejerk and biased by our experiences. Mine is to have sympathy for the mum and give her more time to sort her shit out, or at least tell her your concerns so that she has a chance to address them. But then 🤷 she might actually be a nightmare and this might be terrible advice. Who knows?

      • boirganz on 08/01/2023 - 09:12
        +6

        Case closed?

        Unless the dog is actually neglected (sounds like it needs a bit more love but isn’t in danger) and/or you work from home or work shifts and are seriously disturbed by the barking, let it go.

        If she’s been through trauma and you’re meant to be family friends then be that.

        And if you have serious concerns, have a very gentle chat.

        Under no circumstances should you evict unless she’s seriously broken the terms of the lease (or equivalent if there was one). She’s a mum with kids who from the sounds of it is fleeing a violent domestic perpetrator or similar.

        • Mrcamel79 on 08/01/2023 - 15:12

          Yea based on feedback im getting i think il hold off and just bide my time. Its not DV btw, shes a young widow

          • parsimonious one on 08/01/2023 - 16:35
            +11

            @Mrcamel79: Wow. Just take a step back and look at what you are saying

            You are considering evicting a recently widowed young woman (who is supposedly a family friend) and her 2 (now fatherless) children because you find her dog annoying

  • Stopback on 07/01/2023 - 10:56
    +17

    Learn to say no to your wife.

    • Meconium on 08/01/2023 - 20:39

      Haha definitely the best answer OP

    • Mrcamel79 on 07/01/2023 - 16:31
      +1

      I was fine with 1 dog but sad for it. Its the additional litter of puppies thats putting me over the edge.

  • AustriaBargain on 07/01/2023 - 11:37
    +8

    I'd be more concerned about not being able to cuddle all the puppies before they are sold.

  • elgrande on 07/01/2023 - 11:50
    +3

    wife's friend

    Case dismissed.

  • JIMB0 on 07/01/2023 - 13:39
    +19

    This is what happens when you get involved with helping someone. It will never end.

    • outlander on 08/01/2023 - 06:51
      +7

      This. It comes with the territory. If you aren't prepared to literally grab someone by the collar and drag them out, then letting them stay is a gamble.

      Still worth it tho.

    • getho on 09/01/2023 - 10:40

      Jesus couldn't have said it better himself 🙏

    • CauseNEffect on 09/01/2023 - 22:22

      What the (profanity).. this mentality is exactly why society is failing.

      Helping each other is so important. Life is hard enough as it is.

      • JIMB0 on 10/01/2023 - 05:03

        It was merely a statement of fact.

      • morse on 10/01/2023 - 05:08
        +1

        What about the mentality of the ‘friend’ who is exploiting OPs kindness by overstaying their welcome and over stepping boundaries in terms of what help was offered. People need to help themselves as well, starting by taking responsibility.

        • CauseNEffect on 10/01/2023 - 11:33

          A recently widowed woman with a young family and small dog is overstaying their welcome because the dog got pregnant and is not currently being cared for as well as it could ?

          Could you be more heartless and judgemental?

          Wow, feel free to leave our society anytime and go live with animals.

          • morse on 10/01/2023 - 12:34

            @CauseNEffect: Overstaying the welcome is OPs call. By their own own words they didn’t expect the person to stay as long as they have. That’s the definition overstaying whether the person is widowed or not.

            TBH I wouldn’t fall off my chair if OP later finds out that the ‘friend’ is not in fact widowed, may not have ever been married or just got separated, or husband is living overseas. He says this person isn’t even a close friend of his wife. Unfortunately I’ve seen people exploit other’s kindness far too often. Some people lie, manipulate and exploit habitually, I have no way of knowing if that’s the case here but it could well be the case and it wouldn’t be the first person to play the victim for personal gain. The red flags are shifting the boundaries, the dog getting pregnant, not being open to feedback from OP.

            dog got pregnant

            Two non desexed dogs were brought together when one was on heat - doesn’t seem like an accident to me.

            • CauseNEffect on 10/01/2023 - 20:03

              @morse: I am not a trusting person, however, the specifics of this situation are easily checked. A death would be on record. I don't doubt that people can be horrible but really lying about this is so low i highly doubt it. I prefer to look for the good in people first before jumping to extremes.

              Please note" female dogs get pregnant in just a few moments, literally. A bitch in heat attracts every male dog in the area. Off leash and in a dog park with other dogs and within seconds you may have puppies on way if you can watch the female and stand next to them, every single second. This is why getting them fixed is so important.

              • morse on 10/01/2023 - 20:29

                @CauseNEffect: Don’t disagree re looking for the good first. If you go through the comments OP has said the friend/tenant goes out and leaves dog in the heat and alone most of the day. Whilst OP could help it’s not really his responsibility. This makes me think the friend isn’t thinking much outside themselves, which may be for a reason but sometimes you need to acknowledge where you are in life and if you can’t be responsible for an animal do what it takes to not cause harm. There are people who will foster in a safe environment to help deliver and raise puppies and look after the mum.

                In terms of how the dog got pregnant OP has said that the father is the dog of a friend of the friend who l lives a 30 min drive away, so this wasn’t random. The two people knew their dogs were not desexed and brought them together. I suspect with the idea of selling the puppies. This isn’t actually a terrible idea if they look after the mum dog and puppies, but awful if they are not properly cared for.

  • bobbified on 07/01/2023 - 15:46
    +2

    You should talk to your wife first. We can't help you with that!

  • Sammy2000 on 07/01/2023 - 16:35
    +3

    Where is the father in all of this? (The dog, not the human)

    • Mrcamel79 on 07/01/2023 - 16:38
      +2

      Belongs to tenant's friend and lives 30 mins away.

      • Sammy2000 on 07/01/2023 - 17:27
        +12

        Doesn't sound accidental. Is not a cheap exercise having a litter of puppies.

        • sjj89 on 08/01/2023 - 11:16
          +2

          Unless that father is also a dachshund.
          She’s sitting on a goldmine once the litter is 8 weeks old

          • leiiv on 08/01/2023 - 22:50

            @sjj89: What figure are we looking at here, after all the costs?

            • Matt P on 08/01/2023 - 23:50
              +1

              @leiiv: 2-3 grand a puppy. Puppies will have to have vaccinations etc.. which will cost and should probably be having more vet care than OP suggests but a grand a dog plus profit should be easily achievable.

              • Sammy2000 on 09/01/2023 - 08:36
                +2

                @Matt P: It's a backyard breeder, no papers.
                Puppies need vet checks, vaccinations, microchips and Mum and puppies need food.
                It gets expensive when it goes bad.

  • jjjaar on 07/01/2023 - 18:11
    +7

    Are you actually worried about the dog and its well-being, or just how it annoys you?

    Personally if this were me, I would still be thinking of the poor dog after kicking them out.

  • p1 ama on 07/01/2023 - 18:58
    +16

    I have a complicated situation where wife's friend is renting our granny flat. She is a single mum with 2 young kids.

    I don't see any complication in your story. It sounds like you're one of those people who think that you have the right to stick your nose into her private life just because you're doing a favour.

    Was the agreement when you let her stay in your granny flat that she had to walk her dog 4 times a week, and take her dog to the vet and have you monitor her day-to-day activities?

    She has recently gone through some trauma and hence why we offered our granny flat to stay until she sorted things out to move into a bigger place of her own.

    Then leave her alone, you want to be kind, so be kind.

    They have a small dog and im already not so happy as she works fulltime and dog is left out all day and yaps often but more concerning is its alone for upto 12 hours with a kennel and a bowl of food and couple of bows of water and a small concrete path thats fenced off to roam around.

    It's none of your business and not your problem. You have no right to be telling her what she can and can't do. We can discuss the morality of having a dog when one works full time, but the reality is that it's not your right to morally police her life.

    I feel quite sorry for it esp given the tenant is gone for so long every day and also the dog never gets walks for excercise or social interaction and is only taken once a week for play outside the house from what iv observed. Its a small daschund.

    So I take it that you feel so sorry for the dog that you take it out for walks yourself and makes sure the dog gets social interaction? I also take it that you feel so strongly about this that you volunteer at the local dog shelter and go around to other houses on your street to make sure all of the dogs are getting adequate exercise?

    If you've not actually done anything about "felling sorry for it", then you don't really, you're just finding a victim of some person you hate and saying "my enemy's enemy is my friend".

    More concerning is now the dog is pregnant and my tenant seems to not be responsoble at all to manage the upcoming litter as still intends to work fulltime and have the dog and litter home alone from morning to night weekdays. She hasnt even taken the dog to a vet and admitted its been a long time since she did. All she seems to be organising is make the outaide area more fence proof and poasibly pay someone to come look at them a few times a week.

    So it does look like she's taking the appropriate steps - i.e. making the outside area more "fence proof", by which I assume you mean fending up the outdoor area, and paying someone to dog-sit and help out? What more do you want her to do?

    If you feel so sorry for the dog, have you offered to take it to the vet yourself and pay the (oftentimes) exorbitant fee?

    Note im not in a position to help with looking after the dog and litter nor do i want that responsibility.

    Then stop your yapping and worry about your own life.

    Im feeling incredibly uncomfortable with the situation becquse she seems so oblivious on what a responsible pet owner and especially a soon to be litter owner should be doing.

    Nobody cares about how you feel. You have no interest in the situation. Just because you have done her a favour does not grant you the right to tell her how she should live her life based on your morals. Your discomfort is not her problem.

    As she is a friend however and has gone through some serious family trauma , i cant juat ask her to move out or give the dog and litter away. If i complain to rspca it will be obvious its from me….

    Then you have to deal with the consequences of your own actions. But again, and I emphasise, you doing her a favour does not grant you the right to "feel comfortable" about her behaviour. Your comfort means jack shit.

    Keen for some helpful suggestions on what is the best approach here

    (1) Kick her out
    (2) MYOFB and STFU

    • parsimonious one on 07/01/2023 - 19:05
      +12

      +1

      This guy gets it

      Expressed more colourfully than I would have, but the sentiment is spot on

    • Lunarboogie on 08/01/2023 - 04:33
      +4

      Bang on the money.

    • Amanda3724 on 08/01/2023 - 07:34
      -4

      p1 ama - you're nasty.

      I feel really sorry for you, but I hope you find some purpose in your life soon that means you can be a little kinder to others. Try keeping your negativity to yourself so people don't pity you - you might even gain some friends from your new attitude to life!

      Good luck!

      • parsimonious one on 08/01/2023 - 08:33
        +15

        p1 ama is the nasty one?

        You are the one encouraging the OP to evict a single mother with 2 small children, who has just been through significant family trauma

      • larndis on 08/01/2023 - 09:13
        +10

        Amanda3724, you sound like you place a higher value on the dog's wellbeing than that of a family that has experienced significant trauma. I wouldn't want to be a human in your life with lack of perspective.

        • parsimonious one on 08/01/2023 - 09:24
          +1

          +1 @larndis… the sanctimony is strong in this one

      • p1 ama on 08/01/2023 - 12:47
        +5

        I feel really sorry for you, but I hope you find some purpose in your life soon that means you can be a little kinder to others. Try keeping your negativity to yourself so people don't pity you - you might even gain some friends from your new attitude to life!

        What exactly makes me nasty?

        If OP wants to help, then help. If OP does not want to help, then don't get involved. It's a simple problem with a simple solution.

        OP just wants to "help a little bit" to feel good about himself, but "not help enough" such that he's actually inconvenienced. It's silly.

        If anything, I'm encouraging OP to be kinder. If I was in OP's situation and this person was really a friend, I would let them stay, and if I really felt sorry for the dog, I would take it on walks, I would suggest to take it to the vet, and I would personally pay for it.

        But yes, I'm nasty, keep going…

    • SlickMick on 08/01/2023 - 10:26
      +8

      The story starts with a friend and 2 kids when the agreement is made, then a dog is added, then an expected litter.
      OP now has a noisy dog and worse to come in their backyard, and you say it's none of their business?

      • parsimonious one on 08/01/2023 - 10:31
        +1

        Tenant already had they dog when they moved in.

        Only thing that has changed is the litter

        • SlickMick on 08/01/2023 - 10:33
          +5

          Yes, but did OP know it was coming, and noisy, and not going to be cared for….

          But the point I was making is this is happening on OP's property, where OP lives, affecting OP and his neighbours - I long way from none of his business

          • parsimonious one on 08/01/2023 - 10:40
            +3

            @SlickMick: OP knew tenant was a single mum

            OP knew tenant had a dog

            OP knew tenant works all day

            whilst the dogs noise might affect OP, it’s reasonably foreseeable that a the dog would make at least some noise (and mess)

            Ultimately OP is trying to excuse or rationalise evicting someone who, OP himself has noted is having sig trauma on the spurious ground that dog is now pregnant and that may, at some time in the future be a transient inconvenience for the OP

            • SlickMick on 08/01/2023 - 11:13
              +5

              @parsimonious one: I don't think he particularly wants to evict her… he just wants problem gone, as would I

          • p1 ama on 08/01/2023 - 12:44
            +5

            @SlickMick:

            But the point I was making is this is happening on OP's property, where OP lives, affecting OP and his neighbours - I long way from none of his business

            You don't get it. OP's "rights" in this situation is either (i) to let her stay, or (ii) to evict her. It's none of OP's business how this person lives her life (as far as she is not doing anything illegal).

            When OP allowed this person to stay with him, he accepted all of the baggage that comes with that. If he didn't want to accept all of that baggage, then he should not have allowed her to stay with him in the first place.

            Ultimately, it's a simple problem with a very simple solution.

            If you read carefully, you can see exactly what OP is trying to do. OP is trying to find "something wrong" with her so that she can be evicted (or pushed to leave of her own accord) without OP feeling guilty about what's been done. OP is just trying to have his cake and eat it too.

          • Mrcamel79 on 08/01/2023 - 15:51
            +1

            @SlickMick: Exactly, i thought the dog would ve looked after well, with regular excercise and socialising.

            Like every morning she lets it out the dog immediately barks nonstop for over 10 minutes, and the tenant is oblivious to this.

            I was shocked to hear she got the dog pregnant given the lack of care the current one gets and the lacl of knowledge of how to raise a litter

            • p1 ama on 08/01/2023 - 22:32
              +4

              @Mrcamel79:

              Exactly, i thought the dog would ve looked after well, with regular excercise and socialising.

              Bro, her husband just died. Instead of piling more shit onto someone and sniping from the sidelines in perhaps the most difficult time in their entire life, why don't you help her out and take the dog for a walk?

              • Mrcamel79 on 08/01/2023 - 22:49
                +6

                @p1 ama: Its been around 2 years since it happened and she I believe has even started looking for another partner.

                She has been staying with us a year now and that too at less than 50% of market rates, with free electricity and internet too.

                Shes not an extremely close friend and so honestly i think iv gone above and beyond already.

                To be clear, i was willing to tolerate 1 dog and have been for a year (and i already mentioned i am not able to help her with taking care of it as have my own family and work commitments) and still happy for her to continue staying if either the puppies dont cause more issues or she gives them away and just keeps her 1 dog.

                This is simply my frustration in seeing someone not taking responsibility for 1 dog, now going on to have mulitple pets with no plans for their care.

                Yes i know its not my business however it is my house and along with the welfer of the pets im also worried about more noise and hence why i asked for suggestions on how to deal with it in a delicate way. Iv already responded earlier i wont look to evict her immediately

                • p1 ama on 08/01/2023 - 23:16
                  +5

                  @Mrcamel79:

                  This is simply my frustration in seeing someone not taking responsibility for 1 dog, now going on to have mulitple pets with no plans for their care.

                  There are good dog owners and bad dog owners and dog owners in between. There are responsible people and irresponsible people and people in between.

                  You can't make someone a responsible person and you can't make someone a better dog owner. At the end of the day, this is just her choice. There are people up and down your street who are doing things that will frustrate you.

                  Yes i know its not my business however it is my house and along with the welfer of the pets im also worried about more noise and hence why i asked for suggestions on how to deal with it in a delicate way. Iv already responded earlier i wont look to evict her immediately

                  It's not a difficult situation and you're looking for a solution that doesn't exist.

                  The only solution is for you and her to sit down and be frank and honest about the "terms" of your lease. You are willing to lease your granny flat to her for $X under the following conditions: (i) She needs to ensure that her dog does not cause noise issues, (ii) she walks her dog X times per week, (iii) the new puppies don't cause XYZ issues for you…etc.

                  You need to be honest with her about what your conditions are because at the moment, you are the one being obtuse. You are the one who is trying to introduce new "conditions" for her staying after the original agreement.

                  In other words, you need to step up and take responsibility for what exactly you want and make it clear to all parties involved. At the moment, you're being manipulative and underhanded. Just be upfront and things will resolve easily. You probably don't see this, but it's taken you probably over 1,000 words on this thread to even start being clear about what you want - I doubt she even has the faintest idea of your issues.

                  • Mrcamel79 on 09/01/2023 - 00:10

                    @p1 ama: Respectfully i disagree with your comments (which to me are actually obtuse) on my behaviour.

                    Im not willing to get in an argument with you so wont be responding to you again, however have noted a few of your points that are fair.

    • burningrage on 08/01/2023 - 16:00
      +2

      This is exactly my sentiment.

      I feel like this is a bit like insincere kindness.

      You either do it or you don't.

    • dontbelazyy on 09/01/2023 - 16:39

      best comment ever. I

  • Amanda3724 on 08/01/2023 - 07:30
    +12

    You have every right to be concerned.

    She's an irresponsible dog owner who doesn't have the time or inclination to spend on a pregnant dog or her puppies. It's a tricky situation for you though given the circumstances.

    I'd try to persuade her to surrender her dog to a charity, (but not the RSPCA, who euthanise far too often). As a volunteer for a small animal rescue charity, I guarantee the dog will be better off with a new owner and the charity will make sure the dog gets the appropriate vet care it needs before finding the pups a good home, (the small animal rescue charities have comprehensive application processes and conduct home checks to ensure the new owners are responsible).

    I'd point out she's not in a position to keep the one dog; never mind a dog and a heap of puppies. Birthing pups is a very messy business and I would use the excuse that your home is at risk of permanent damage (I'm damned sure she's not organised an appropriate whelping bed etc).

    Sadly, the only way to deal with irresponsible people like this is to cut off their opportunity to continue and be firm. You've been very kind in putting her up in your property, but now she's taking advantage and will continue to blunder her way through life making poor decisions.

    If she doesn't surrender, tell her she has to go.

    Good luck with it all!

    • nswnotill on 08/01/2023 - 08:02

      I agree. A condition of future tenancy is to get rid of the dog. Otherwise give notive.

    • Mrcamel79 on 08/01/2023 - 15:45
      +1

      Thank you for your kind words and support.

      When iv asked her how she is going to manage the litter all iv got was the extra fence proofing and some person who may come a few times a weeknduring the day to look at the dog. I doubt she even knows about whelping beds. I found some rspca information online on breeding dogs and sent to her, not sure she has read it.

      I doubt she will give the dog away as it was bought by her late husband and so there will likely be sentimental reasons attached.

      Iv strongly encouraged her to take the dog to a vet to get checked up and hopefully the vet being a professional can give her proper advice and instill some responsibility by asking probing questions.

      And thank you for supporting me in response to other peoples comments who think i just want her out. I dont, i feel for her situation and the dog/puppies. If she take care of them well and they dont cause issues on damage and excrssive noise then im more than happy for her to stay as long as she needs. You are right its a tricky situation, i want to help but im not wanting to take more (regular) responsibility for the dog/ puppies myself.

  • offthetap on 08/01/2023 - 07:42
    +4

    you definitely have a right to be concerned. that dog needs to see a vet asap!

  • Sinnerator on 08/01/2023 - 08:10
    +3

    Tip for young players, unless you are equipped to deal with trauma you are not equipped to deal with trauma.

    As she is a friend, have a gentle heart to heart chat with her and see if you can steer her onto the right path.

  • tabitha731 on 08/01/2023 - 08:16
    -6

    Rule no 1: never rent to a single mother! Especially with a dog
    Rule no 2: if you have ignored rule 1, kick the tenant out, regardless of friendship.
    Rule no 3: keep finance & friendships separated

    The above rules will help keep your sanity & your marriage.

    • Assburg on 08/01/2023 - 18:11

      Downvoted by single mothers with dogs…

      I don't understand why though, it's an unnecessary risk in a tight market.

      Good luck OP you have made a terrible mistake, and she will probably not move out until given notice, and then she'll hate you for it.

  • Tassie lass on 08/01/2023 - 08:34

    Contact local rescue group re fostering dog in exchange for caring for mum and pups in exchange they keep the litter and the dog is desexed.

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