Looks like a decent configuration for the price.
You're going to want to get another stick of ram to get the memory in dual channel based on the specs
Display: N/A
Graphics: NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3060 12GB GDDR6
Hard Drive: 512 GB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe NVMe
Language: EN_AU
Memory: 1x 16 GB UDIMM DDR4-2933
Operating System: Windows 11 Home 64
Optical Drive: None
Processor: 10th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-10700 (8C / 16T, 2.9 / 4.8GHz, 16MB)
UNSPSC: 43211507
Didn’t neg but where are you getting this information from?
The 10700 is no slouch
Maybe in Esports titles? I’m most other cases the 3060 will be the bottleneck even at 1080p
@jasswolf: This CPU won't bottleneck any current esport title I'm using a 10700k and it doesn't struggle in anything cod/apex etc. If you wanted to play on 2k/4k resolutions might be a different story but for anyone who doesn't play very demanding games and is happy with 1080p this build will still be strong for the next few years.
@moojuice: The lower the resolution and higher the frame rate, the more the strain is put on the CPU with current bottlenecks in systems. The 10700K no longer competes under a variety of scenarios.
Users should be considerate of that when purchasing a new system. If you don't even understand the basic dynamics of it, please do not come in here just to defend your past purchase. Thanks.
@jasswolf: So your saying a budget entry level gaming PC has no place in the market just because someone could pay 3 times as much for a PCIE 5 / DDR5 / Intel Gen 13 | Ryzen 7000 series build?
This is a solid performer for the price, I haven't seen anything comparable for a while.
@Grish: If it had a 12600, 12400 with DDR4, or a Ryzen 5600, I wouldn't have made my comment.
The extra bandwidth would make a difference in 2-4 years when the user upgrades their GPU, and the CPU would make a difference now and across the next 2 years, particularly in Unreal Engine 5 games.
If you were paying attention to movement in this space, you'd be aware of this, but instead you're here piling on with a bunch of people who can barely manage a response to me telling me I'm wrong while providing zero standardised and repeatable evidence. Go look for technical data and make a conclusion, don't just throw yourself in a sea of bias by googling answers to support your statements. Thanks.
but instead you're here piling on with a bunch of people who can barely manage a response to me telling me I'm wrong while providing zero standardised and repeatable evidence
I think you're projecting here. If you can show some proof such as benchmarks that clearly show how a 10700 is such a significant bottleneck for a 3060 that would be great.
@BROKENKEYBOARD: I don't need to provide that, I just have to show that the CPU gets bottlenecked, which I have.
From there, you're going to see that behaviour on the 3060 when you drop settings to drive frame rates, and you're going to have a hard time finding settings to dodge CPU bottlenecks like cache misses or integer calculations.
Hell, I can hit CPU bottlenecks in Fortnite with a 2060.
@jasswolf: I'm gaming on 9700k and 6800xt at 2k, no bottlenecks at any esport game , easy 240 Hz on most games, so no idea what you are saying here
I don't need to provide that
Sure but then you're not providing context. From my understanding you're using edge case scenarios that's only applicable for people that are obsessed with high framerates and play at low settings, most people don't do this and don't care much as long as they're getting 100+ or even 60+. You're also exaggerating the performance gap between the 10700 and the other $200 CPUs.
This cpu is more than enough to a slow 3060 vanilla (as fast as a very old 1080ti).
I covered everything you said. 30-40% bottleneck on a weak 3060 is not happening. Period.
@Dienk: That's not how computing works. If you drive up the frame rate with settings changes, the CPU will be put under strain, and there are modern workloads where this CPU will suffer compared to even 11th gen Intel. 12th & 13th gen Intel, as well as Ryzen 7000, run rings around it, providing much more overhead for the GPU to produce its best results when striving for more frames.
In standard graphics presets, you're somewhat right, but once you step past those you're quickly witnessing game engine and CPU bottlenecks. We're at the end of what's called Dennard scaling, and we can no longer rely on clock speed increases or significant single thread performance gains without bumping cache, and that will have its limits too in time. We're lucky that process changes for Intel and architecture changes for AMD have seen clocks really jump in the last couple of generations after an extremely slow period, but those will now hit a wall again, one likely to stay in place with silicon transistor designs due to thermal and quantum tunnelling concerns.
This system is basically a dead end. Upgrading the GPU in this in 2-4 years would see it immediately bottlenecked in most gaming scenarios. There are technologies coming into place that will help with CPU bottlenecks, but they can only do so much if you put yourself 5-7 years behind. Why would you buy an entire pre-made only to dispose of it on your next upgrade pass?
The only salvation here would be frame-rate acceleration technologies like DLSS 3 frame generation, but that comes at the expense of system latency. You'd need native frames to be upwards of 250-350 for that to lack impact, and you'd be shit out luck trying to do that on 10th gen Intel in 2025.
@Bedgrub: And I'm telling you that the performance per dollar evapourates in 2-3 years because of the CPU & motherboard choice.
I've made my point a lot though, I'm going to leave it there.
@jasswolf: With few exceptions, the value of all technologies evaporates in a predictable period of time.
Where else do you think you'll find anything close to this level of performance at this price point in a branded, fully supported pre-built and including a Windows licence?
What widely popular games do you think this won't play at a level of performance that a person who wants a pre-built wouldn't be happy with?
Something will always 'bottleneck' your PC performance and the idea that bottlenecks are intrinsically bad is a nonsense propagated by elitist PC maker consumer niche cultures. The right question isn't, 'is there a bottleneck' but 'is there a problem'.
If anyone else is still reading, this PC is amazing value if you want a branded pre-built PC and you'd struggle to build it yourself for much less.
Techfast are awesome, no doubt about it, but at best they price the same specs at the same price as this deal and their deal is long gone.
@jcon: You need to read the current deal post more closely.
Also RE: bottlenecks, people are suddenly able to buy 360Hz and 540Hz monitors… the CPU is the major bottleneck for that, it's not a marketing lie.
These comments might fly on some low-brow subreddit, but a basic canvasing of current benchmarking will show you that it's a problem today, and that the gap will widen due to increasing cache size on modern CPUs.
@jasswolf: Is a person buying a thousand dollar PC buying a thousand dollar monitor? No, no they are not, and therefore it is not a problem.
@jcon: The CPU will bottleneck some competitive games for 360 FPS… so the question becomes: will they buy a $450 monitor?
Answer: possibly.
@jasswolf: None of this is a practical concern and someone who cares about this stuff will also know enough to not have to ask questions about a thousand dollar gaming PC. And maybe there's a $450 360Hz monitor, or maybe that was US$450.
This is getting a bit silly really, I think I'm done here.
Bottleneck ? Please be real , may be other reasons why this may not be a fantastic deal but this is not one of them.
Tempting! Nice find but I don’t need one …
And 12700 is also in a good price:
Lenovo IdeaCentre 5i - Intel Core i7-12700 16GB RAM 512GB SSD 2YR W11H
$1239.20
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/403706740518?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mk…
Just an FYI for the hardware newbies, that's a home office computer, using 260watt power supply with no preinstalled graphics card.
Youtube video showing what's on the inside: https://youtu.be/UXSnFYsUUqk?t=148
Thank you! I didn’t realise that
There are plenty of ex-corporate 8th gen on the market these days, thats all you need for basic home use.
These desktops with their proprietary psu and motherboards are iffy at best, the only reason to get them is if they got a decent gpu at a good price.
Good price for 1080 to 1440 gaming.
As someone looking for an entry level PC - some basic games (fortnite) but doing quite a bit of video editing, and needing 64 GB RAM (additional $240), I believe this would be a good option - any suggestions? Currently running a Lenovo P510 Thinkstation (Xeon) but getting a bit old)
Thanks
One thing to consider is whether video editing is going to be intensive enough that you'll need more advanced cooling, and if so, whether the case and motherboard support that. You'll also want to verify the expandability of the motherboard - how many sticks of RAM you can fit, how many SSDs/ NVMe's, etc - which combined with the possible cooling requirement you'll need to verify the PSU. Finally, you'd want to know the manufacturer of the GPU and verify that it's upgradeable - that means a) it needs to be removable and b) the motherboard needs to support other GPUs. OEM manufacturers (Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc) can pull some unexpected shenanigans to lock you into their very restricted support and upgrade paths.
What all that means is that you actually need to go through the normal 'design the PC I need' procedure and after that see if this one fits, and bear in mind this could well be more like an XBox in design - a closed box, get what you get kind of thing, rather than a use it and upgrade PC. Of course if it's good enough to last you four years, that's like five bucks per week which is nothing much.
Thanks Mate! My feeling is that I do Video Editing (Mostly training videos) that I don't really hammer the machine with. Only thing I have ever upgraded on the P510 was adding a huge SSD and upgrading the RAM. This one has two DIMM slots so I would rip out the 16GB and replace it with 2 x 32 GB sticks - should last me the life of the PC I think.
LOL, anyone wants to barter for the 16GB stick, let me know.
If you're using this for training videos, assuming that's 'work' then the depreciation is tax-deductible and the whole thing ends up about third cheaper again - at that point it's so cheap per week it's almost free. To a small business the two year on-site warranty alone is worth about the entire cost of purchase because in the event of failure it'll keep your down time to a minimum.
As long as the specs are good enough for the work, you'd be hard-pressed to find a better deal than this.
This handles way better than basic games.
This will do Forza Horizon 5 and Red Dead Redemption 2 at high settings in 1080 easily.
Plus, Fortnite now has a next gen mode of settings so it’s not a game you can just casually throw into conversations.
Better Build Quality and then upgrade
AMD Ryzen™ 5 processor
Windows 11 Home
AMD Radeon™ Graphics
256 GB PCIe® NVMe™ SSD
8 GB DDR4-3200 MHz RAM (1 x 8 GB)
$714 - HP Pavilion Desktop PC TP01-2014a
10% CB from shopback
https://www.hp.com/au-en/shop/hp-pavilion-desktop-tp01-2014a…?
What makes the HP better build quality?
Also half the RAM and storage size and as 180W power supply.
You'll be spending a lot more by the end of that if you can even upgrade PSU
No GPU, less RAM, and PSU won't handle a card like a 3060. Easily will cost over $300 even if you pick up a cheap used RX 6600 + PSU + extra 8GB stick.
How 'future-proof' is this PC?
(I feel like that's a term hardcore tech people would hate..?!)
Can I upgrade components to give it a decent lifespan?
Personally I wouldn't warrant getting this for it's upgradability.
I'd recommend more a tech fast or bpc tech prebuild over this.
Check some of their checkout deals out maybe.
I might check those out 😉 Cheers.
yea i have a Lenovo Legion. Thought i could just swap out the GPU but it's designed and installed in such a way that i can't really upgrade it. Everything was bolted shut from the factory
The best way to 'future proof' an ordinary consumer PC is to work out what you reckon you'll sell it for in four years, subtract that from what it costs you, calculate the weekly cost of ownership over that period and then decide if it's a good value proposition for you.
By my estimate, this will probably sell for about $200-$300 in four years, so it works out to cost you about $4 per week to own it until then - if your gaming is worth four bucks a week, that's it, job done. Your 'upgrade components' task then becomes 'rip out my storage devices, clean out the dust, sell this box with a fresh NVM and find another great deal for whatever is good enough in four years time'.
Also bear in mind that upgradeability on branded PCs like this can be fraught - I don't know the current state of play but I know HP used to have GPU compatibility restrictions on their proprietary motherboard firmware and Dell used to use non-standard motherboard layouts. The PSU is also likely rated for just enough to run the original configuration.
Yeah, that's probably more my question re ability to upgrade components. Sounds like a probably not. Cheers.
People don't really 'upgrade components' in the way you might be thinking.
To give you an example, I recently decided to upgrade an old 7th Gen CPU to a something new - that also meant a new motherboard and new RAM, for compatibility. Nobody is going to buy a second-hand 7th gen CPU/motherboard/RAM combo but I can definitely sell a working PC, so I pulled out the GPU, replaced the storage with an old SSD out of my spares, jammed it all into a discount case and sold it as a working system.
I'd also suggest you're not as likely to upgrade this PC as you think - if you have to ask whether you can, you probably won't, you'll probably use it like an XBox for PC games and sell it when it can't run Half Life 3 when that's released in 2027, which is a completely valid and sensible way to consume a computer.
tempting to get one just to play Mordhau again
according to Lenovo, it's $2599 direct from them.
https://www.lenovo.com/au/en/p/desktops/ideacentre/500-serie…
same model number, same warranty (2 year on site). 2599 crazy price for a 3060 build
all the same, but you get one via eBay and the other from Lenovo.
probably eBay would be easier to deal with returns, too..
Has anyone had any luck getting customer service on the Lenovo website to match the price? I want to buy for a business using an ABN.
triple dipping with discount, rewards, and cashback? good call, but unlikely
No dice with price match. Bought two off Ebay before they sold out anyway. Thanks OP, been waiting for a cheap desktop with windows installed a graphics card.
If this thing had a RTX 3070 in it, I would be all over it. 😛
Purchased for the kids, Thanks. Any ideas on a gaming mouse and keyboard to keep them happy?
Asus tuf. for mouse is GREAT. from amazon for 29.xx
Will check it out, thanks
M3 asus tuf. way good mouse. $24.5 actually.
Not much ventilation by the look of the pics. I just spent a few hundred dollars on fans for my Dell XPS box as it gets really hot with the stock standard fans.
Can't spell OVOLEN without OVEN.
Holy lack of airflow batman! :P
Amazing deal. Thanks for sharing
Thanks op. Great deal.
Anyone know how many 3.5" drive bays it has?
Is it a small form factor case?
This review has what looks like the same case, different cpu same gpu, there is a shot inside the case about the 5 minute mark, he spends the first 4 waffling about the peripherals he purchased, but anyways, it should look about the same inside.
The case looks big in pictures but kinda small when sitting next the monitor. So it a small or mid case??
Its way smaller than a mid tower
Whoa isn't this the deal of the century?? I thought RTX3060 on it's own was going for over $1000 during covid? Or was that the 3070? Is there that much of a difference? sorry I am not a PC builder.
A hair under $1000 for a decent gaming PC sounds pretty good to me. Might be good value for someone who wants to combine it with the Quest 3 to play some PCVR only games.
The other great value system for non gamers was the Acer XC-1760 for $489 shipped from Amazon AU. https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/736203
Kicking myself I missed out on that great deal on a daily use PC that officially supports Windows 10.
Thankfully graphics cards have come significantly in the past 12 months.
You'll still be looking at $400-$500 for an RTX 3060.
Still a solid deal even if it's not the latest CPU
"Thankfully graphics cards have come *down significantly in the past 12 months."
Is it true then RTX3060 at one point was over $1k? (and I am talking about at stores not resellers)
I think they were around $1000, sometimes more.
"that officially supports Windows 10."
Oops I meant Windows 11.
Anyone had their order posted yet?
Not yet. Got this reply today
Usually our orders are shipped out in 2-3 business days once order has been received and then passed to courier for delivery.
As you placed your order on last Thursday, your order should be shipped out by tomorrow.
Thanks
Got an email last night saying mine has been released to manufacturing. Looks like it is being built
Got same one last night.
Now been shipped
Same here, but it's a confusing email.
I wwant to install more ram. HOw? just buy a stick - which one? https://www.lenovo.com/au/en/p/accessories-and-software/memo…
this one is $1200 dollars
LOL, that's a ridiculous price. It's also ECC RAM which is for professional workstations and servers so won't work with this desktop anyway.
It can be a bit of a hit and miss with compatibility with some OEM builds but I would say go Crucial for best compatibility.
Make sure it's 3200MHz so that it can run at it's full speed.
DDR 4 desktop memory - 8 got 64gb 3200 memory from ple for about $330. Only 2 slots so 2x 32. The one in your link is ECC. I believe the board doesn't take ECC
the max is 32GB total it can take. so no need for ECC then. how much is ECC generally? not relevant. so i just buy a DDR4 with 2933 minimum speed. Do they need a certain size?
I am replacing the 16gb. Desktop size
link me the ram so i get the same
You get more ram? What you go with?
32GB x 2 DDR3200 kingston fury
@ilove: Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz
Installed RAM 64.0 GB (63.7 GB usable)
Device ID
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Takes 64gb but for some reason running at 2133 Mhz, anytime have the same?
Used Corsair 64GB Kit (2x32GB) DDR4 Vengeance LPX C16 3200MHz - Black (CMK64GX4M2E32
Can you enable XMP Profiles in the BIOS?
No, unfortunately not
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