Amazon UK drops the price on Kingston FURY Renegade 1TB SSD at the moment.
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This is newer, apparently faster. I would say this is probably the replacement for it.
Slightly more GBs unusable in the fury as they are allocated to cache, otherwise it’s the same drive.
Slightly faster max sequential read speed. However, in most tests, at least for the 1TB, it is pretty much the same. Phison E18 based SSDs generally are better optimised at 2TB, that's why you see SN850 1TB still leads in some of the benchmark tests.
Sustained write, however, is tricky. While this SSD and KC3000 both have a larger SLC write cache than 980 Pro and SN850, 980 Pro's approach (smaller SLC cache) does have one benefit. It doesn't need to perform SLC cache recovery aggressively. So it's write speed after SLC cache is 2X faster @ 1TB 'most' of the time (because when SLC cache recovery takes place, half of the writes need to go to the SLC to TLC recovery). 2TB version of the SSDs, the situation is different.
Overall, for 1TB, I would actually rate this SSD slightly below SN850. At 2TB, the table turns, E18 is faster than SN850 (but now SN850X is out). The price is enticing though. By the way, the above info is really nitpicking. This PCIe gen 4 x4 flagship SSD is an overkill for most of us.
So 2TB version is better than SN850 but not as good as SN850x
How do you think SN850s vs 990 Pro?
Hi netsurfer, will gen4 nvme work in gen2 slot? I have second slot free on my b450, but second slot is limited to gen2X4. I know speed gets limited to 2GB/S, but I want to still buy a faster nvme as it will be faster on random reads and writes and in future when i move to diff mobo i can get back full speeds.
But most SSD pages are advertising gen4 ssd as gen3 compatible but nowhere they say gen2 compatible.
Looks like this is the version with heat spreader not heatsink.. is that ok to use in a ps5?
Read a couple reviews who said they used it as is in ps5 without issue
You can use most, if not all, gen4 NVMe SSDs in a PS5 without a heatsink. Tom's hardware did a test and NAS Compare also did, no throttling. The main reason is PS5's internal SSD is not large enough to write enough data to the NVMe SSD for it to thermal throttle. If Sony released a 2TB SSD version of PS5, that might change.
However, as Sony recommends one, no respected sites / reviewers would suggest you don't use a heatsink.
Honestly though, using a heatsink mainly stops us from keep on thinking about it (it's annoying to open the PS5 to install the SSD, at least for me). However, despite I tried to put the heat spreader mostly on the controller, I still put some on the NAND flash chips. I really doubt the heatsink makes any difference (in gaming, the SSD is hardly stressed).
I just like seeing lower temps. Do heatsinks at least do that?
Yes, but for reads, the temperature without heatsink is already quite low. The initial writes from PS5 internal SSD to the NVMe SSD is once off and PS5's internal SSD is too small to cause it to thermal throttle. After the initial writes, transfers to that SSD will either be from downloads (NBN - slow) or from USB (at most 1GB/s). Neither is going to cause it to throttle.
However, since Sony recommend one, I am not going to tell you not to do that.
@netsurfer: Yeah I was backing up my wife's files from a Crucial M500 SATA SSD to a Samung 970 Evo Plus, it went up to 80 degrees! It was in this Optiplex micro box so I guess the thermals are not great, but I never thought SATA speed would make a NVME SSD that hot. Or maybe the temp sensor reading was just wrong.
@nfr: On my 970 evo, the controller sensor ramps to 80 easily, but the memory chips around around 50 to 60 which according to my research was alright. So I didn't bother putting a HS on it.
I find it hard to find good thermal comparisons. My PC build is mini itx and the last piece I'm adding is a gen 4 SSD. This looks promising but I want to minimise thermal energy I'm adding to the build.
Does anyone know any good thermal comparisons for the top tier gen4's out there. 980/90pro, Sn850x , cuda530 , rocket , this …etc..
@netsurfer you seem pretty up with the tech. Any advice?
Guru3D has culmulated some thermal data from their SSD reviews that may be useful as a reference point
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/solidigm_p44_pro_2tb_m…
Picks the low temperature SSDs to see if they're Gen 4 and suit your other criteria.
We wish @netsurfer can decipher the thermal data to us.
Thermals aren't really the full picture. It's whether they affect performance or reliability that is the issue.
The former is easily tested, however the latter is obviously not as easy.
I'm not too concerned either way, as many mobos (including the one im using) ship with a heatsink anyway.
Also there appears to be an almost 8 degree variance in that very link for that Solidigm.
There are reviews available on this. However, most reviewers don't run the stress test long enough.
TechPowerUp's review - note: 2TB version
Tom's Hardware's review - 1TB version
TechPowerUp ran the test for up to 10 minutes, didn't notice the throttling. However, Tom's Hardware did find minor throttling:
The Fury Renegade comes close to the KC3000 in temperature testing, too, generally staying cool with only minor throttling after prolonged transfers.
So, what exactly is happening? Tom's Hardware indicates the throttling appears to kicks in at 75 degrees. TechPowerUp tested the 2 TB version and it needed to run that test longer. That said, it TechPowerUp's KC3000 thermal result is correct, then you want Fury Renegade over KC3000.
Do bear in mind, the scenarios leading to thermal throttle isn't very common for general usage and you do need 2 flagship PCIe gen 4 x4 NVMe SSDs. Furthermore, have a look at TechPowerUp's thermal result for reads (no thermal throttle at all).
Personally, I am not bothered by the potential minor thermal throttle on this SSD (my general usage pattern won't cause it to throttle and if I somehow have to fully clone an SSD, I am willing to let it throttle a bit - since is once off). However, if thermal throttle is something which makes you very uncomfortable, get an SSD with heatsink built in. With a PC and assuming you have 2 flagship PCIe gen 4 x4 SSDs, while there are ones where reviewers indicate they did not detect thermal throttle without heatsink, I am not brave enough to rubber stamp them. It's a non-issue for PS5.
Heads up that I tried to buy an SSD from Amazon AU via UK in this deal: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/750868
Still not shipped after 3 weeks with no time estimate, missed the delivery window without even being dispatched from overseas, and I ended up needed to cancel and go with something locally. I wouldn't buy from Amazon via UK again, but if you don't need it for another >month then this seems like a solid price for a drive like this.
what is difference with Kingston KC3000 NVMe Gen4