Looks like the Tesla referral program aka "Loot box" has restarted,
"As an owner, every time you bring a new friend or family member into the Tesla community, you and your friend both earn credits — you earn Referral Credits and your friend earns Buyer Credits. You also earn Loyalty Credits when you purchase additional qualifying Tesla products, as a thank you for being a loyal Tesla owner."
Example "1500 credits for 750km supercharging credits"
Why not get a BMW EV? iX3 for $130k
That was my plan, however a friend managed to score a BYD (ex-Tesla owner), had it for a month before listing. He also has a Model 3, and compared the BYD was complete trash, was like stepping back into a time capsule. I was so disappointed.
He hated it, was listed for 3 months before actually setting, for a decent loss.
2 months in, seeing the price, and knowing the history I went to buy it, but couldn't go through with it.
I guess, if I had never been in a Tesa, then I may have been only mildly frustrated.
Like I have a $200 Android unit for my Mazda and that's great, how can BYD get their Electronics and Entertainment system so bad!!!
Secondly, even without superchargers, the charging experience remains night and day.
Still hanging out for others, perhaps MG?
Teally comes down to if you have experienced Tesla. Tesla service CAN be frigging amazing. Proactivey detect problems, come to you to fix, constant software feature updates. Like my Mazda won't even work with my iPhone (because Mazda can't\won't update)
There's a 20k difference between the tesla and the BYD/MG. Hopefully the Android Auto/ Car play will work properly with BYD, the android auto on the MG is an absolute shit. But for me it is fine, it is a city car. Today it was the first time i tried fast charger (50kw), 30-90 in 40 mins.
Market segment of tesla and mg/byd are completely different. I just want the car run like an ICE corolla. If i really want luxurious stuff, maybe EQS450… That car is gorgeous
Byd is great, but the legacy distribution model in Australia is such a downer, they are a bunch of unqualified clowns
Are any of these BYDs compatible with V2H/V2G? I CBF buying a battery for my house and our "family" car is home enough to run the house. Never travels more than 30kms a day so don't need to keep much of a charge.
No… Also the only available chargers are quite pricey for the vehicles that do. That is the Nissan leaf and nothing else ATM. I expect more vehicles and pricing to come downz but not for a bit.
Great, let's fund the most craziest man on earth who wants to go Mars
No he doesn't - he wants other suckers to go!
Why would he go to Mars, he he's having a laugh on Earth 🌎 🙂
Mars: the only planet known to be inhabited only by robots!
That's a fun way of looking at it.
You cant even buy a Model S/X?
Buy 2 model y instead
By neighbor bought 10 year old Nissan leaf for 15k. He uses free council charger and saves $100 PW. he said within 3 years he will make ROI
He'll be in trouble when he finds he can't access the charger because others have heard about his savings and gone the same way.
Also, whilst he's saving $, it's all subsidised. That's the only reason it makes $ sense. Other people are paying his bills.
This was 2 years ago…. I'm sure he got gis ROI already ☺
Yeah but Tesla isn't a 15k car, you need to drive a hell of a lot of distance for your ROI.
Agree, was saying it only makes sense to pull gun off you can work it out… Like buying on ABN
he said…
And here lies the problem. 'He said' is a lot different from reality in most cases…
Forget your nerdy EV crusaders for a moment.
I personally can’t stand people like that.
Just having the option of not breathing in petrol and diesel fumes in built up areas is more than enough reason to want to switch to EV’s.
I think the stats in Australia was somewhere between 7000 - 10,000 deaths a year due to poor air quality?
How pissed would you be getting a lung cancer diagnosis, but never having smoked before? Or never being in a household with smokers. It was purely down to Diesel/Petrol fumes?
I’d just love being able to see our city skylines without the brown smog from said diesel/petrol fumes hovering in the air.
When I first worked in the CBD (melbs) for a bit I hated it, in large part because of the air that smelled like rubber and smoke.
I got used to it over time, but yeah it's not what you want in a living and working environment.
CBD might be the most environmentally friendly these days :)
it’s 11,000 deaths due to poor air quality …. puts a new perspective into how many people are killed by cars vs killed in accidents ….
Have you been hanging around Delhi or something?
There is no smog hanging around our cities and this sort of hyperbole discourages people from listening to whatever it is or substance you might have to say.
@rickashi: Well, you could skip the media and go straight to: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/c-change/news/fossil-fuel-air-p…
@gmatht: Yes mate well aware of credible research - 100% for it. All I was pointing out was that ABC News and credibility doesn't lie hand in hand. Notice how their article refers to New Zealand specific research and applying to Australian conditions? Site-specific data is generally the key to credibility.
Well, you could skip the media and go straight to
Which was also a press release…
If you want the actual study, go here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00139…
And if you read past the catchy headline you will find this nugget of psuedoscience:
" We used the chemical transport model GEOS-Chem to estimate global exposure levels to fossil-fuel related PM2.5 in 2012. Relative risks of mortality were modeled using functions that… "
What passes for 'science' these does is really just 'modelling', and anyone with a basic science education can tell you that modelling is the equivalent of guessing. The entire climate cult is built on this sort of smoke and mirrors. Who needs evidence when we have models that agree with our pre-existing opinions!
@rickashi: Woke? Air pollution due to smoke, vehicle emissions, etc. as a serious health risk has been reported on here and overseas for decades (longer than the year in your username).
@fraxinus: Read my above comment champ. I'm referring to ABC News as left and woke based on their woke agendas with non-credible basis.
Also, rich of you to assume 1979 is my year of birth - no basis in that assumption.
@rickashi: Thanks champ—point was there’s nothing leftie/woke about this issue. Also I never assumed 1979 was your year of birth, no idea where you got that from.
I'm referring to ABC News as left and woke based on their woke agendas
Not this crap again - just because an organisation is left of the right does not make them left-leaning.
You can be left of the right and sit smack bang in the middle of the spectrum.
tl;dr Left of you is not the left 🤦
just because an organisation is left of the right does not make them left-leaning.
Uh, that's exactly what it means. Left and right are not tangible fixed positions, they are relative. To most people Stalin was as left as they come, but to Trotsky he was considered right wing.
You can be left of the right and sit smack bang in the middle of the spectrum
But the ABC is not the middle. This is an organisation that promotes all the standard left causes, the Green cult, Victim privilege etc… And despite being a requirement of their charter to be balanced, try and name 3 shows that support conservative values. I won't hold my breath because they don't exist
tl;dr Left of you is not the left 🤦
It's exactly what it means. That is exactly how relative positions work.
Get out of the echo chamber mate, the ABC is rotting your brain…
Left and right are not tangible fixed positions, they are relative.
Yes, that's exactly what I said.
Somebody who is a centre moderate is left of the right. And they're not left wing - they're centre moderate.
This is an organisation that promotes all the standard left causes, the Green cult, Victim privilege etc…
Oh dear, if you genuinely think environmental issues are a "Green cult" then there's no wonder you think the ABC are left wing. I'm out.
Yes, that's exactly what I said. Somebody who is a centre moderate is left of the right. And they're not left wing - they're centre moderate.
That is the opposite of what I said…
Oh dear, if you genuinely think environmental issues are a "Green cult" then there's no wonder you think the ABC are left wing. I'm out.
Which is the stereotypical response of the leftist ABC viewer. 'If you disagree with me you are an extremist and should be cancelled'.
You proved the OP's point about the ABC beautifully.
Air pollution due to smoke, vehicle emissions, etc. as a serious health risk has been reported on here and overseas for decades
Real science tends to prefer quality over quantity. You can produce 40 years of failed predictions about the weather and they all count for zero.
What…?!
I said "Real science tends to prefer quality over quantity. You can produce 40 years of failed predictions about the weather and they all count for zero."
If you have a more specific question Iet me know…
I think the stats in Australia was somewhere between 7000 - 10,000 deaths a year due to poor air quality?
I think those numbers are made up by the same people that think the government gives oil companies 60 gazillion dollars every in free cash.
Let's see some hard data before we start believing the cult…
I’d just love being able to see our city skylines without the brown smog from said diesel/petrol fumes hovering in the air.
I can see Sydney CBD from here and it's clear skies. What are you talking about?
So can smokers still buy an EV with a sunroof? Imagine. Imagine if… you have such an amazing imagination.
I suppose that’s what people said about the first cars when most were still riding horses around. But there were no 3D TVs then.
Like the other guy said, no fumes. Not burning fossil fuels is also very worthwhile. Remember we’re in a climate emergency. You get that feel good factor too.
Then there’s almost no servicing on these. Internal combustion engines need $500+ servicing every 10k km.
Yeah.. Because all that lithium mining is so environmentally friendly. (rolleyes).
I can service one of my cars for $100..
Ev's are just moving a problem from one area to another. (ICE = Fossil fuels and their pollution. EV = Impact of mining lithium, cobalt, etc).
Yeah because oil is so much better. Never been oil spills or anything like that.
This is it. Batteries are inherently bad for the environment at the moment, making them and disposing of them. Charging those batteries on coal baseload power overnight also moves the problem elsewhere.
@7hours 44min ago: ICE is 100% burning fossil fuels and you never get out of it. EVs at current state are still powered by coal but at least there is a way out if we transition to cleaner energy production, either through renewable or nuclear.
Also efficiency of ICE is about 20%, EV has much higher efficiency. So you can't say the transition to EV is meaningless. That is just bad argument
@od810: But you're still replacing a problem with another one - a massive environmental problem. The trail of environmental destruction due to rare earth mineral mining is absolutely mind-blowing, but MSM and governments turn a blind eye to it because it just doesn't fit their agenda. Renewable (e.g. hydrogen) and/or nuclear would absolutely be the way to go, but EV is just not as sustainable (or environmental friendly) as they make it out to be.
horse and buggy …then steam, then ICE …. there is probably someone somewhere think steam powered vehicle as they get free coal from the coal seam in their paddock …
the benefits also extend to development of battery recycling industry , up skill of mechanics , reduced inventories as you only need a few motor manufacturers , etc, etc ….EV aren’t for everybody, sure tradie wants ute so can tow fishing boat on weekends and claim it as work trip …..but for the average person driving less than 200km per day in the city it’s an attractive choice if you need a new car ….
True dat
How many credits before you get a free car?
Side note - four referrals gets a Gen 3 charger :)
Ordered a model S and Model X in April 2021… still waiting….
I think it's a sign to cancel your order
Couple more years to go to make it happen
availability seems to be the issue not demand …friend bought ICE car as wait times were too long ….. i grew up in a era where new car ICE stocks were drive away …. wonder when EV market will have enough supply to be drive away ….
There are exceptions to the usual Tesla delivery delays.
Some Tesla buyers on FB are moaning that their financing or OS holiday plans are upset by their car arriving weeks, even months, earlier than originally planned. Some are scoring one within a week of ordering, no doubt from a cancelled order. A few intending buyers reordered because they want to ensure a 2023 build or swapped between the 3 and Y, or have heard a 'Model 2' might be out soon (ha!) and have forfeited their deposit on this rumour.
Since this is just a FB sampling of experiences, I guess there's quite a few out there getting early deliveries or turning them down. However, long delays are still the norm.
i grew up in a era where new car ICE stocks were drive away …. wonder when EV market will have enough supply to be drive away ….
Better get used to this, this is the Green cult destroying our way of life. We can no longer make things to satisfy demand, we now have to appease the sky gods and whatever whim of the day they have…
What are these credits worth? A dollar? A cent?
They're worthless much like FF points are to 99% of people.
I have so many referral codes stored in OzB and not a single one has ever been used, hope this one does!
Not a bargain.
How is referring friends a bargain?
Not a valid negative vote.
agree
It strikes me as really weird that credits convert to distance, not kWh. Different models will get different distance on a given amount of electricity, so for a heavier vehicle they getting better value in terms of cost of provision.
Do superchargers usually work on this basis? ie., "you bought 450k of range @ $x/km, here's the receipt for $whatever"?
It's probably just a marketing thing they are doing. You can work it out. 750km X 0.69c = $517.50 worth of credit.
… but wouldn't the $0.69/Km fee depend on the model?
Not being argumentative, just not understanding. Surely the SUV weighs more than the 3, and would need more electrons/km?
Yeah its just a scenario to work out the approx. value.
It costs $517.50 to drive 750km?
it's not 0.69c per km, it's per kWh. Usual Tesla can drive 4-5km on 1 kWh. So it's not $517 worth, but ~$120 worth.
And if you are charging at home with 23c/kWh, that would be ~$40 worth.
username checks out.
Are you sure?
for a model 3 rwd has 400km range per a full charge (60kwh), 750km credit is even less than 2 charges so it's around 110 kwh, effectively: 110 kwh*69 cents per kwh=$75.9.
that's all you get.
If I recall correctly, in the past (pre-2021?) the free Supercharging allowance that came with a new Tesla (ordered from the referral link) was dispensed in kWh (or $, maybe) until it ran out and you started paying. Depending on which Tesla you bought and how fast you drove, you could get over 2000km of free rapid charging in a Model 3.
Some buyers would moan that the referral wasn't worth the 'trouble' (they'd forgotten to use it :) since it was only about $250 in value. I managed around 2200 - 2400km of free interstate road tripping, so I reckon it was worth it.
I'm not sure what the actual measure is now since Marketing have probably tinkered with the wording, thus ensuring there's a lot of small print in the actual deal.
Interesting! So when you use a supercharger now, are you charged on kWh put into the battery, or is the cost to you based on some estimate of how many km you'll get from the charge?
If it's charged on kWh, what's the $/kWh? Is it cheaper than, say, charging at home?
I would also appreciate 2000+ k's worth of fuel; that's not something to complain about really :-)
You are charged by kWh. Price fluctuates a bit, but is around ~70c/kWh now. About 3 times more expensive than charging at home (so you pay premium for speed of charging).
Talking to Tesla owners, they rarely ever use super chargers.
Just long trips, eg: Holidays. Even then they say most places they stay, have garages and standard power points, so they just charge overnight or book accommodation that has destination charging.
While EV adaption is still pretty low, they find free chargers at most tourist locations\shopping centers. Claim they don't need, to but peace of mind charging while they rest.
Back then Tesla charged ~40c/kWh across all Superchargers in AU, but that's gone up a lot lately (~70c/kWh) with some site/time price discounts reported.
Depending on household power tariffs across various states, charging at home can sometimes be free or better. Amber's wholesale power in SA usually dips below 10c/kWh daily in summer (9c predicted today, 3c actual yesterday) and even into the negative when it's sunny and windy - get paid to charge.
Owners with solar can give up on their weakening Feed-in Tariffs and charge off their rooftop PV for a few cents - much cheaper than the grid, topping-up at a fast charger and way cheaper than filling up an ICE vehicle.
@Wing Nut: Is there any way to use the Tesla as a powerwall? As in, feed power back into the home? That would make for some very interesting spreadsheets, especially if homeowners can somehow access the wholesale price.
@kale chips suck: Not yet, and there's a possible warranty issue when an EV manufacturer realises their car batteries are being deep cycled more often than anticipated, powering a house overnight. A couple of European EV manufacturers (e.g. Renault) have an EV that does go beyond a 240v socket in their EV, having a dedicated outlet that can feed into a house.
Additionally, in Tesla's case, they'd rather sell you a Powerwall than allow you to use your Tesla to run the house. They can also source Powerwall cells from written-off Tesla cars.
@Wing Nut: That makes sense, but it's easy to see how they could resolve the warranty issue. Warrant the pack for a certain volume of storage over it's life and use the BMS to track cycles. Then it doesn't really matter if an owner uses the kWh to drive the car or their home.
In Tesla's case, I agree they'd prefer to sell you an actual Powerwall. I don't think they'll be getting cells for them from cars though, the new battery packs are fully encased in some kind of epoxy or something. Meaning, Tesla have modified the design to prevent pack repurposing and repair by making it borderline impossible to replace a failed cell. Doubtless, they'll claim this is for safety and nothing to do with Right to Repair-type stuff. Irritating, to say the least.
Hopefully Renault, etc, force a change in the marketplace so that all makers offer it. That'd be brilliant.
@kale chips suck: With earlier Tesla battery pack designs, some independent battery re-use companies, even DIY YouTubers like Rich Rebuilds, were extracting cells/cells packs and reusing portions of them. Tesla de-constructor Sandy Munro was selling YT subscribers clean Tesla cells as a paperweight, however the latest designs are going to be more structural, so a clean extraction may not be worth it. Since all the ingredients are already conveniently packed and concentrated, better to grind up and start again with improved chemistries.
The likes of Redwood Materials and others are able to separate well used Li-ion batteries back into 95% pure elements, saving the expense of mining, transporting across oceans and refining shiploads of raw ore. Hopefully EV and storage battery prices should drop as old ones pass their use-by date.
@Wing Nut: I take your point, and am aware of Rich Rebuilds [I don't have a lot of time for him, personally. The problem with his content is that he's in it…] and Sandy Munroe and his encyclopaedic knowledge of EVs and automobiles generally - but I disagree with the idea that the batteries need be recycled through "approved" means or even that Tesla should be making them structural.
It is ridiculous to replace an entire battery assembly because of a few failed cells, or simply "age". It reeks of vendor lock in, much like Apple and their "you can replace your broken iPhone screen… but only with one we've approved [well, sold you at an inflated price….] and only one that one of our approved network of techs installed and, oh, we updated the system to run a check against hardware IDs on bootup so if you do change it, yeah, sorry, but your phone won't boot because you were naughty. It's for efficiency, safety and your convenience, by the way. We're only thinking of your needs."
I'd rather see them reused than recycled… though, obviously, recycling is better than disposal, for all the reasons you mention.
I'd be interested to see how Redwood will deal with a pack encased in solid epoxy and still hit 95% recovery. I sincerely hope that's possible. It can't make it easier though, nor lower the embodied energy required to make it happen.
Interesting times!
@kale chips suck: I'm not sure which methods Redwood Materials typically use across various battery types, but one used by a European recycler was to first drain the incoming batteries of any charge, transferring it their own storage to help run the machinery.
After removing any structure and accessories like cables, etc., the cells were frozen until they were effectively dead. Once super-cooled they were dropped into a grinder and the residue refined to 95 - 98% pure ingredients. I guess the framework and copper cabling could be left on and extracted - whichever way is easier?
I believe a battery failure is very rare in a Tesla (or Powerwall), but quickly shared on FB. With a rare exception, the ones I've read/watched are taken care of under the 8 year warranty - full swap. The exception that I half-recall, was someone in Oslo getting a partial cell-swap on an older Model S at an EV specialist.
Not a fan of Rich Rebuilds either - went all-out for YT profit, as many do, losing cred and fans. (Had to search my YT subs to find him down the very bottom :)
Not a bargain, referral programs are never a bargain. All I see is Tesla getting pressure from other EV manufacturers based on their not-so-competitive pricing.
Look like they getting hurt with their no-advertising model or their word-of-mouth advertising not doing very well.
Whatever you do don't mention that these are as bad or worse for the environment, need to drive 250,000km to brake even with a ICE in emissions.
So 10 hours ago you come here to comment.
Then you come back with this comment.
Seems like you have an agenda or a problem. or both.
Nothing wrong with joining in the conversation bud. Free country innit?
How about you do some research rather then spreading misinformation. 🙄
You need to do research, the emissions cost to make these batteries is sky high, not to mention the cobalt mining which is poisoning the people who do it that being kids.
You do some research mate- google “Tesla Cobalt” and you’ll see some facts relating to LFP batteries from the Shanghai factory.
It is clear from this you need to do some research.
need to drive 250,000km to brake even with a ICE in emissions.
cobalt mining
Illegal cobalt mining is bad and difficult to stop, but I would say this is a bigger problem
Every vehicle is going to have some negative impact. Trying to argue that ICE is better for the planet then electric is just crazy person talk.
@Aureus: Yes, just some small negative effects, but nothing major in your books it seems, just a bit of broad scale exploitation of children mining a toxic mineral by hand, but hey have you seen the new Model Y? Extended range baby!
@Harry P Ness: Never said it wasn't a problem. Cobalt is valuable and exists in places where the government doesn't have full control over the country. Most Cobalt is mined in legal mines, but unfortunately the government in DRC doesn't have enough control to stop people digging big holes.
Of note gold is in the boat, so the fact that you are making this post on a computer, that uses gold, makes you a big hypocrite in your black and white silly right-wing world.
@Aureus: "Legal mines"…you mean the Chinese owned concerns that have zero regard for health & safety or degradation of the environment? Ahh thank goodness they bribed the right government official to rubberstamp the operation! I gild no lillies about my use & consumption, I'm not the one virtue signalling & claiming to be an eco warrior by driving an electric car…the fact you resort to calling anyone who questions your logic as "right wing" is in equal measures pathetic & laughable.
@Harry P Ness: And where are you seeing people calling themselves "eco warriors" by driving an electric car. I can't see it in this thread. No one I know who owns an electric car talks like that. Calling yourself an eco warrior for buying a tesla is a (profanity) thing to say, but no one actually does that.. Seems like you need to take @Clear s advice.
the fact you resort to calling anyone who questions your logic as "right wing" is in equal measures pathetic & laughable.
Laughable is trying to argue that ICE is better for the planet then electric, but don't let science get in the way of your argument.
@Aureus: No one is saying combustion vehicles are "better", only that that the merits of electric vehicles aren't all they're cracked up to be (including the issue of child labour in DRC and elsewhere - which you conveniently sidestepped), stop inventing things to suit your position, that's not becoming of an adult. The argument that EVs benefit the planet is flawed because it "robs Peter to pay Paul"…any emissions savings from not burning gasoline have to be reconciled against the input costs required to produce the vehicle & batteries, and the electricity to operate said vehicles, and regardless of your limited anecdotal evidence, the aura that attracts many purchasers is the misguided idea that they are helping save the planet by buying an EV.
any emissions savings from not burning gasoline have to be reconciled against the input costs required to produce the vehicle & batteries, and the
electricity to operate said vehicles
How about you Google this. There is so much data on this exact point. Why argue about this stuff when scientists have already done the math.
child labour in DRC and elsewhere - which you conveniently sidestepped
By sidestepped you mean directly addressed. 🤔
I have wasted enough time. You can cling on to your alternative facts all you want, doesn't effect me.
decent sub $30k EV and floor stock and i will get a new EV car …..last fill of my bmw from almost empty was $110 ….get about 550 km city driving …