new low for the NV2, seems like price on ssds are dropping
Kingston 1TB NV2 M.2 PCIe Gen4 SSD $79 + Delivery ($0 SYD C&C) @ JW Computers
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Why not just give yourself a break? I don't like the authoritarian regime, but what's the point keeps bringing this sort of junk to a general discussion for deals?
CCP stands for computer case parts….hahaha…..not Chinese communist party….no need to neg me seven times….ridiculous!!!!!!
I would stay away from this seller!
So another $10 off with gift card would bring it down to $145 for a gen 4 2tb, and also more speed on the 2tb version. Sweet deal except the seller part
If only I could put this in my M1? :(
DOES THIS (profanity)?
No it can't (profanity), might be a mild bzzzzzz sound
I honestly have no clue what swear word could possibly go there…
I'd imagine its from the TV show scene of "Silicon Valley" S02E03 with the character Russ Hanneman
This guy fks
No I hear it's not a good drive for it
any good for ps5? idc if it wont work next year just about now
Doesn't meet the speed requirement.
Below Sony's recommended spec, but technically does work with a PS5.
The issue with NV2 is Kingston can switch components (and have done so). Worst case, you will get a QLC SSD though the controller will most likely still support PCIe gen 4 x4.
Have a look on some youtube tests. I can't remember who tested it, but someone in the early gauss proved all you need is a gen4x4 and the ps5 will read it. The speed requirement isnt enforced - but of course you'll just have a marginally slower experience.
Why do you guys like the NV2 so much?
Is it the cheapest PCIE gen 4?
Aren't there gen 3 SSDs cheaper that are faster anyway, since Gen 3 isn't slow enough to be a bottleneck yet…?
Or is it because it works in the PS5…?
don't think there are many gen 3 SSDs cheaper than this yet unless the very very low speed one
SN570 with the current WD promotion ($20 e-gift card).
I saw that it is $99 ($95 at only a few stores) + $20 gift card so roughly the same price with this deal and not cheaper
@Bii: A few things though:
- At PCIe gen 3 x4, SN570 beats NV2. Even at PCIe gen 4 x4, in general usage, NV2 doesn't beat SN570.
- NV2 has QLC vs TLC lottery. It's a matter of time before Kingston floods the market with QLC version.
- There is a voucher for Adobe Creative Cloud included in SN570. The RRP for that is about $58.
- SN570 has 5 years warranty. NV2 has 3 years. It's NV2 that needs to beat SN570 in price, not the other way around.
NV2 price needs to drop further. I'm not sure how an OZBer did it, but he got SN770 with discount vouchers (and counting the $20 eGift card).
With my NV2s, I normally use it in PCIe gen 3 x4 mode. SN570 2TB has a really large dynamic SLC cache, NV2 2TB is simply no match. I don't want to use any PCI gen 4 slot for NV2 because it is merely PCIe gen 4 x4 in spirit.
@netsurfer: The thing is the price of SN570 2TB has never come close to $150 mark. The lowest one was on Amazon and not qualified for the $20 eGfit.
For a secondary storage tho even as the main drive, the difference won't be really noticeable between low and high speed SSDs (said the Linus Tech Tip in a testing video) but yes concerns for pro users.
Kingston made NV2s cheap so we can fit the budget more nicely. Some reviews say NV2 is the gen 4 SSD with the gen 3 performance. And hope to see performant benefits in the future update.
There is also a lucky draw with the purchase of NV2s but don't expect much anyways
@Bii: SN570 2TB, the lowest was $185.70 (https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/747338). At that time, NV2 2TB was at best around that price.
The main issue is what Tom's Hardware has pointed out, QLC being possible for NV2.
hope to see performant benefits in the future update
That's false hope. There are 2 issues with that false hope. The Phison E21 version is crippled by Kingston. The SMI version is inferior. We all get tricked (myself included) with the PCIe gen 4 support. The fact that we keep on using the excuse that it is better than el cheapo grade PCIe gen 3 DRAMless SSDs basically says it all. NV2 is one of the worst PCIe gen 4 SSDs.
3 years warranty is my concern as an owner of NV2 because my previous Kingston SSD which failed happened 4.5 years after the purchase. You cannot expect me to be excited when my SN570 runs faster and cooler than my NV2 and whatever Kingston did to cripple Phison E21 version of NV2 is frustrating. You see rave reviews on other E21 based SSDs, but NV2 is just bad (performs more like Phison E19).
@netsurfer: Tomshardware is doggy giving it 2 out of 5. The other reviewers give 4 and above. 4.7 stars out of 1,087 ratings on Amazon. So should be reliable. I know things happen and mostly happen on the budget ones
@Bii: No, that's not objective. I am guessing you too have a NV2. Let's try to be as objective as possible.
- Tom's Hardware review is the latest and the NV2 TLC vs QLC lottery has already started especially in USA, CA. It is the right thing to do (warn people about it).
- Tom's Hardware DID receive TLC version of NV2 1TB and yet they've elected not to test it for now. The reason is obvious.
- Some of the test results from TechPowerUp is un-obtainable unless you happen to have that specific batch of NV2. I have an NV2 with the SAME controller and most likely the same NAND type, yet that "only" PCIe gen 4 x4 like performance test is not obtainable in mine. For SMI version, there is ZERO chance to top sequential performance TechPowerUp mentioned.
- Tom's Hardware prefers to show you the worst case because later on, QLC models will flood the market. I reckon if Tom's Hardware got hold of a QLC version for 1TB, they would update the review (but Kingston probably isn't keen to send Tom's Hardware a QLC version).
- Bait and switch from Kingston needs to be pointed out.
That's why I am not recommending NV2. Sure, if you get the TLC version, you might have a good feeling about it. But what if you ended up with the QLC version? That large-ish SLC cache makes it harder for people to spot it right away. Down the track, once the drive is filled up, people will notice the issue.
@Bii: Before you refute Tom's Hardware's findings, remember:
- Tom's Hardware revised their SN550 review as soon as they were aware of the bait and switch.
- Same for Crucial SSDs which had bait and switch.
- With all that in mind, why do you expect Tom's Hardware give Kingston a free pass?
- Have a look at how Tom's Hardware test SSDs. Do you use those software to test your SSDs? Before you state the review not being objective, you need to have solid evidence.
Far too many NV2 reviews are TLC based. All QLC NV2 owners are unhappy about NV2's performance. Owners who did repeated tests in a succession see/notice the really ugly side of QLC (when SLC cache is gone and heavy recovery is in progress).
@netsurfer: tbh I haven't owned any NV2 and I am getting one for this price. For an average user, this speed or performance wise is more than enough from a bargaining point of view and here we are. I don't think I want to spend 1/4 or more on unnecessary performance. That's my point.
For the reviews though, I didn't read through all the details nor go deep into the tech term either. I just say Tomshardware gives 2 while the rest gives 4 or more. Clearly, it would be 4 and above on average.
Is it that bad just cuz of QLC, bringing the whole performance down to failing Tomshardware's test? If true, the rating would have started to drop and become very low in the next few weeks.
Let's see if it is. But I bet won't
@Bii: I can understand that as an owner or a future owner, you want to believe the market currently still have sufficient TLC (older stock). However, you are missing the point still. You prefer to use Amazon user reviews (which currently are flooded with people who bought the SSD earlier) than Tom's Hardware. You are also ignoring the technical aspects of it. You are also numbing your brain with average rating.
Have a look at Amazon reviews, the 1 star ones, people who got the QLC version gave the SSD 1 star rating. You think Tom's Hardware 2 star rating on the QLC version is very harsh? Bait and switch on NAND type is just wrong. WD got punished with SN550. That's why we hardly see them now.
The 2TB version has a higher risk and late last year, I already noticed the 2TB version sold here are mostly the inferior SMI version. After reading Tom's Hardware's review, I just don't want to risk it. Tom's Hardware also noticed thermal protection kicking in for the QLC version and even pointed out that's unusual for QLC.
@netsurfer: all 5 stars by at least 100 comments from Australia on Amazon 4.8 overall (86%/8%/2%/1%/3% for the 5/4/3/2/1), 4.9 on Bestbuy and Scorptec, and 4. by pcmag from my memory, and look ok with benchmark tests (someone posted a testing video on xda forum). That's how I average the rating.
96% of people said ok. It might change in the coming weeks maybe.
From the pro reviews, I don't see anywhere else rating it under 4 stars.
@Bii: We are going around in circles here. You clearly don't think NV2 moving to QLC is an issue. I am not going to try explaining it again.
Tom's Review is valid because they simply reviewed the QLC version. As I have mentioned, you won't be able to get the sequential read result posted by TechPowerUp. But, once again, that's not an issue for you either.
It's fine to take the approach that the price is cheap enough so bait and switch is acceptable. Furthermore, there is still a decent chance you will get the TLC version. Thus, it seems like a gamble worth taking. Right now, NV2's price is attractive. However, that was the case 2 months ago also. Then WD and Amazon did a few promotions.
It is all relative. Some OZBers opted to find cheap ways to get SN770 (I was informed that one OZBer got a SN770 1TB for $79 - after multiple discount vouchers + e-Gift card). That's one of the things which can happen in the horizon. Phison E21 and equivalent SSDs will have to eventually drop price. If you really need NV2 now, sure you could get it. If you don't, there is no need to cave and get one now.
think it’s the ps5 users ….i upgraded my samsung pcie3 to pcie4 and the perceivable speed improvement isn’t proportional to the numbers …numbers are twice as fast on my 980 pro but doesn’t boot or load file twice as fast, i’m more concerned of the nand used eg qlc vs tlc vs mlc and if it has dram than. pcie 3 v 4 because it’s seems to be a combination of features rather than just one that determines speed ….own PCs but no PS5.
Just curious, would something like this work on a ps4 if you use some sort of adaptor to turn it into a sata ssd? Or should i just get a normal data ssd?
PS4 uses SATA 2 I believe so you wouldn't even get close to any speeds if it was to work. Best just to get a SATA 3 SSD with DRAM to get the best value
Want to know if this works for PS5. If the speed is lower than recommended what happens??
All your game characters as run at a slower speed. For example, your formula 1 car might be slower than the others and will never be able to podium.
That’s only if you’re driving Mercedes car.
Lol I think you are just being sarcastic here.
No you won’t podium in the Mercedes.
Loading slows but that's it. The game runs normally otherwise
Amazon has totally lost my one that I purchased in early Feb via Amazon US. The delivery date was supposed to be this past Wednesday, no tracking info since the 13th. Now while I'm waiting for them to take the L and refund me, the same drives are dirt cheap in Aus with companies I'd rather give money to. =')
Google doesnt always show the dirt cheap things at first search
No, it's about SSD prices continue to drop. Anyone who bought NV2 late last year or earlier this year won't be that happy. Good SSD deals keep coming. Some of the WD deals are quite good, which makes these NV2 deals less attractive.
Kingston's warranty is through the retailer. If you live in NSW and live near the store, then it is fine. If not, I doubt the store will fund return postage. Furthermore, there is a good chance people would get QLC version as replacements later on.
I also notice the drop in SSD prices in the last few weeks. Looks like due to the inflation and maybe a sign of welcome to DDR5s. AMD has to do something to bring their AM5s to the market, make compatible MOBOs more affordable together with a significant performant boost, or show people why they should spend more on some unnecessary performance.
@Bii: What does AM5 got to do with SSD prices? We all know SSD prices are trending downwards.
NV2 is not off the hook with that trend either and that begs the question, is it going to continue to drop in price (because it should). In other NV2 deals, I have mentioned that people should treat NV2 as a PCIe gen 3 SSD when evaluating the price. It should be priced below SN570 shipped. 3 years warranty is subpar. The norm for PCIe gen 4 low cost DRAMless SSDs is 5 years warranty.
@netsurfer: quite obvious that the more new hardware comes out, people start to shift towards new things, hence the old one dies out i.e. 2.4 inch SSDs and DD3 Rams as well as Gen3 SSDs.
From an average user point of view tho I believe $155 for a 2TB SSD Gen3/Gen4 with this speed is a good deal. We can't deny that the NV2 on Amazon is 4.7 stars out of 1,087 ratings. Tomshardware is doggy giving it 2 out of 5. The other reviewers give 4 and above
@Bii: Where did you get $155 for NV2 2TB shipped? Anyway, the fundamental issue (and that's why Tom's Hardware done it that way) is the bait and switch and QLC versions are now on the market. There is no way to tell the QLC version from TLC version without actually putting it into a PC and run an utility. Even if there is some sort of 80-90% way to cherry pick, is an Online store going to let you do that?
Before I was aware of the NAND switch, I was recommending NV2. As soon as I am aware of it, I honestly CANNOT recommend it. There are also things which most people aren't aware of. NV2 continues with Kingston's tradition of late SLC recovery. It has an annoying side. If you were to write a large chuck of data, exceeding dynamic SLC cache, the TLC version won't do SLC recovery right away (because that will show the uglier <300MB/s write speed). Problem is, that means, you don't get to use the SLC right cache for quite some time. The QLC version, however, has to do aggressive recovery so the QLC version behaves differently.
There is only 1 NV2 2TB review that's TLC based. The 1TB version isn't ideal for 2TB version because even with double the SLC dynamic cache, the 2TB version has to spend more time in TLC (or QLC) mode in writes. So, you cannot just use the 1TB version's time and double that.
$155 for a NV2 2TB, which one could end up with the QLC version and has 3 years warranty (instead of 5 years), if that's great, then you can recommend.
@netsurfer: from the comment above by tee cee $155 (-$10 with gift card if you got one) shipped on Amazon. So, hard to resist a 2TB M.2 SSD for $144. At this price you can barely get Gen3 PYN or SP.
However, they are gone now
@Bii: For me, 2TB SSDs, I prefer better quality ones. 1TB or below, I am willing to go for cheaper ones. I have tested the SMI chipset version of NV2 1TB, I simply don't like it. Furthermore, late last year, I already noticed while AU retailers do sell Phison E21 versions of 1TB NV2, the 2TB versions are mostly SMI version.
I hope you get the TLC version because the QLC version isn't worth it at all. The 3 years warranty is subpar. Kingston NV2 is basically a glue and go SSD, just like PNY and SP. I have informed people that you have to treat NV2 as a PCIe gen 3 SSD. For 2TB, the the SN570 for $185 was a better deal (that SSD has a really large dynamic SLC cache) and outperforms NV2. The included Adobe Creative Cloud is also useful to me. The SN570 2TB lets you write at 3000MB/s+ speed for 900GB (empty drive). Even if you double NV2 1TB's version to calculate the 2TB version's dynamic SLC cache, you are looking at 180GB empty drive (for TLC version). Then, you factor in Kingston going for late recovery (to hide one of the cost cutting aspects better). You get what you paid for. NV2's SLC cache is rated below 3000MB/s. Sure, for general public (light usage), it is good enough (and the chipset does allow PCIe gen 4 x4 mode). However, for people who knows a bit about tech, that's just cheating. Kingston is good at it and it is a good marketing trick.
Must add the price has dropped by $11 or so from what I paid. Not the worst thing, but the fact that it's late/lost and the price has dropped AND it's available through preferable local sources irks me.
And the more I read, the more I realise I probably should've just gone with a Gen 3 Crucial instead.
Any cons using this as a windows boot drive?
Would not be much noticeable between SSDs for normal users
NV2 does well in the low cost DRAMless SSD range. However, right now there is the WD $20 promotion so SN570 looks quite attractive (SN570 generally performs a bit better). A few people fork out more to get SN770 (which feels more like a proper PCIe gen 4 x4 SSD).
It's hard to spot / experience the cons on DRAMless SSDs for most people. That will require a long continuous use of the SSDs and intentionally using lots of small files. Kingston configured NV2 in a shred way (I meant it in a more positive way). NV2 - good from far, far from good. It would have been quite attractive, but a number of WD deals lately remind us that NV2 is priced reasonably well, but not a super duper bargain level.
also $69 (with code) + shipping + 2k everyday rewards points ($100 spend) if haven't claimed before at MyDeal
Shipping is $9. But, spend $100 means buying something else that's $31.
it should be $72 for the SSD and $100 minimum spend
It's still wasting $28 on another toy. If you really want to twist it and make the reward points worth $10, then it is still $90 out of pocket. But, out of the $90, $9 is on shipping.
Is it really worth it or a FOMO purchase? That's one key issue with NV2. It cuts corners everywhere but the price is tempting (compared to other SSDs). However, it just feel dumb putting NV2 in a PCIe gen 4 x4 slot (since it cannot even beat SN570 even if you put it there). Put it in the CPU PCIe gen 4 x4 is just silly. Sure, when I tested it initially, I had to put it there just to be fair, but after the tests, straight to a PC with PCIe gen 3 x4.
Even if you get excited on getting the TLC version now. Are you certain your NV2 will last a long time. If not, 2 years down the track, when you get a replacement NV2, are you going to count on getting TLC version again? Common sense tells us Kingston will go QLC more aggressively to lower the price further to compete later on. NV2's specs clearly have a big margin to cater for QLC.
NV2 clearly has less spare cells than competition models, but most people don't look at that kind of details, just CrystalDiskMarks cheating results are good enough eh?
@netsurfer: There is plenty of other stuff you can find on MyDeal. can take it as a 10% discount extra in terms of rewards points.
@Bii: Nah, not interested in 2TB NV2 at all. It will be my slowest 2TB SSD so what's the point. Higher chance of getting QLC. 2TB SSD with 3 year warranty. Thanks but no thanks.
As an OZBer, we want other OZBers to get the same or better deal than we did. As that is an inferior deal compared to what you mentioned earlier, it doesn't make sense. SSDs are quality of life improvement products. Must get NV2 right now makes zero sense to me. People who really need a 2TB SSD would have purchased one by now. It's hard to resist NV2's price but that's just FOMO.
@netsurfer: The $144 deal has gone now so this could be an alternative for someone who needs it.
I would guess another 20% further drop in price of SSDs by the end of this year. AMD started to do something as I said earlier. They start to offer a bundle of AM5 and DDR5 worth $125 or something from this 27.
@Bii: We just need people to confirm they are still getting TLC version for the 2TB NV2.
NV2 is a toy for most of us. AM5 platform, first gen, is just a shinny new toy. The bits which make big differences require motherboard makers to split PCIe gen 5 lanes. Motherboard makers aren't going to sell the good ones cheap. Low end ones, we are seeing cost reduction measures.
If all you care is decent discounts for shinny new toys, sure why not.
Knowing $144 is now the new benchmark price is good though. All SSDs are still overpriced to be honest. NV2 @ $144 still gives Kingston a pretty fat margin.
@netsurfer: No, it's not a toy based on 96% of the reviews unless you can show more evidence from more sources
Bookmarked 👍
Hoping to see more good ~150$ 2TB drive deals coming up in the future