My Tenants Neighbours Kids Jump The Fence and Are Peeping Toms

RADICALIST on 31/03/2023 - 10:50
Last edited 31/03/2023 - 10:58

Story from my agent is that the neighbours kids 15, 10 and 9 year old jump the backyard fence and peep through their windows. My tenants are really afraid of using the backyard to play and worried about their belongings in the shed.

I told my agent to raise a case with council and police. Is there much else that can be done? I am afraid as they are kids, they won't listen to authority.

The tenants have now told me that since the kids keep jumping the backyard fence, they have bent the fence a bit and looks like a few more jumps will make it collapse….

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  • orangetrain on 31/03/2023 - 10:55
    +13

    Talk to neighbours? Since you mentioned race, talk to elders too.

    • Protractor on 31/03/2023 - 11:17

      race? Where?

      • Hellfire on 31/03/2023 - 11:20
        +5

        It's been edited out.

        • Tee Rex Arms on 31/03/2023 - 15:22
          -3

          Oh dear

      • ode1online on 31/03/2023 - 11:23
        +1

        It's been edited. and removed by the OP

        • OMGJL on 31/03/2023 - 12:45
          +15

          you can still check revisions.

      • he3at on 01/04/2023 - 00:17
        +3

        Albert park this weekend

      • idonotknowwhy on 01/04/2023 - 18:09
        +9

        Aboriginals

      • siresteelhell on 02/04/2023 - 20:53
        +1

        "Story from my agent is that the neighbours kids 15, 10 and 9 year old (aboriginals) jump the backyard fence and peep through their windows. My tenants are really afraid of using the backyard to play and worried about their belongings in the shed.

        I told my agent to raise a case with council and police. Is there much else that can be done? I am afraid as they are kids, they won't listen to authority."

    • ozhunter on 31/03/2023 - 11:53
      +5

      talk to elders too.

      Lol why would they do that. You don't think they'd listen to their parents?

    • RADICALIST on 31/03/2023 - 11:59
      +7

      The left side neighbours have already reported to Community Services which the bad neighbours are renting from and CS has done absolutely nothing.

        • CurlCurl on 31/03/2023 - 17:34
          +65

          So a concerted community effort to drive this family away. Why would that be?? The real reasons.

          Probably because whoever they are they have uncontrollable children and don't give a stuff about controlling them or other peoples property.

        • Sxio on 02/04/2023 - 00:40
          +2

          Well if they're jumping fences and peeping in windows…?

          Nah can't be that. You're right. What are the REAL reasons? Who would have a problem with this totally typical behaviour as reported by OP?

    • TrustNoBody on 01/04/2023 - 08:57
      +15

      i didn’t see what race but guessing aboriginal …i’m aboriginal and depending what area it is in elders won’t get involved in petty crap like this as they have no right especially if the family isn’t from that area orginally

      • RSmith on 01/04/2023 - 09:24
        +3

        Just out of curiosity, is there any discrimination amongst the Aboriginals? Eg. People from one tribe think they are better than the others.

        • TrustNoBody on 01/04/2023 - 09:25
          +7

          no not really but sometimes it does come down to country vs city ppl as they tend not to like each other especially in jails ..

          • RSmith on 01/04/2023 - 09:29
            +5

            @TrustNoBody: May I ask one more thing… What do the Aboriginals think of mixed race kids as in half Aboriginal and half white who look more white than Aboriginal?

            PS: Apologies if the question seems offensive… You don't need to answer in that case.

            • TrustNoBody on 01/04/2023 - 09:47
              +33

              @RSmith: my kids are mixed race ..only 1 of my kids has dark skin all the others are light skin …but we tend to not really use the words half and quarter anymore that’s how the government used to describe aboriginals by castes ..we look at as you are either aboriginal or not doesnt matter if you’re other parent is from another race , you are still aboriginal.but my light skin kids used to always get questioned how they are aboriginal as “you don’t look aboriginal “ or how is he your brother ? he’s black ..that’s pretty rude as just cos they don’t look like the “aboriginal “ doesn’t mean that they ain’t aboriginal …

                • RSmith on 01/04/2023 - 10:50
                  +43

                  @GrueHunter: Yeah. Not everyone is born and brought up in Australia, so it does help in others getting a better understanding.

                  • yvesmpicard on 02/04/2023 - 10:49
                    +6

                    @RSmith: Very pertinent question …
                    Thank you to Banktownbrats for the response …

                    I will NOT address the smart Alec of GrueHunter…

                • TrustNoBody on 02/04/2023 - 17:41
                  +14

                  @GrueHunter: ..i honestly don’t mind answering questions that people have about our heritage as some people honestly don’t know or it’s only what they hear on tv ect .same if i wanted to know something about the muslim religion most muslim are quite happy to be asked questions about their religion that i know not much about or their birth country ..people don’t get educated about everyday issues unless people are willing to answer their questions…

                • kiriakoz on 04/04/2023 - 13:18
                  +1

                  @GrueHunter: Why would you get offended by someone asking questions? If your issue is that don't know something, this is how they find out. Pure commonsense I would've thought.

              • juki on 01/04/2023 - 22:02
                +2

                @TrustNoBody: I only learnt about this since arriving in australia, and lesson one was you cant tell who is or isnt indigenous (apparently aboriginal although used when i was a kid isnt appropriate).

                At work the people who declared being aboriginals were usually just normal people not really different to you and me, or on occasion some drug users try to wave it to attempt to smuggle stuff they shouldnt.
                I didnt do much remote but i do remember elders or tradition getting in the way of younger people just wanting to live (sometimes literally but ozb is not the place for that).

                • ThithLord on 04/04/2023 - 09:13
                  +2

                  @juki:

                  At work the people who declared being aboriginals were usually just normal people not really different to you and me

                  bruh

                  • juki on 04/04/2023 - 18:51
                    +1

                    @ThithLord: i'm not sure what bruh means in this context, but maybe it was awkward phrasing, to clarify, i mean they had no special requirements and just wanted the same as other people in the same setting ( when learning about them arriving in australia some courses makes them sound like they are from another planet )

        • hueylewis on 01/04/2023 - 10:34
          +2

          research what happens when islanders and aboriginals are put in the same jail cell.

          • TrustNoBody on 02/04/2023 - 17:12
            +1

            @hueylewis: truely in some nsw jail there are wings that are “koori “ islanders , arabs ect but usually aboriginals and aussies just get along with other races so usually islanders and aboriginals don’t really have dramas ..

        • Gnostikos on 01/04/2023 - 12:42
          +9

          Just out of curiosity, is there any discrimination amongst the Aboriginals? Eg. People from one tribe think they are better than the others.

          I'm not an Aboriginal but Aboriginal elders/community leaders have explained to me that some tribal groups (or "skin groups"/"skins" as they're referred to) still carry historical animosities towards other tribal groups, sometimes dating back to the pre-colonial/early colonial era due to things like inter-tribal warfare/feuds/vendettas and post-colonial issues as well (resettlement of particular groups, loss of land, perceived preferential treatment of some tribes compared to others, etc).

          Like almost all indigenous peoples of the world, violence was an endemic part of life in pre-colonial Australia and different Aboriginal groups fought against each other for the same reasons that humans have throughout history (outright bigotry/beliefs of superiority, control of territory, resources, violating cultural/social laws, religious/spiritual disputes, women, perceived disrespect/dishonorable behavior, etc.)

          Hence some Aboriginals today can automatically have a negative view of other Aboriginals simply based on their tribal/skin group affiliation.

          • TrustNoBody on 02/04/2023 - 17:14
            +1

            @Gnostikos: that happens more so in remote communities not really in city

            • Gnostikos on 02/04/2023 - 20:10
              +2

              @TrustNoBody: Yeah that's where I was referring to when I encountered such interactions between Aboriginals.

              I once worked for a company that serviced many remote regional communities and employed a lot of Aboriginal people in those communities.

              We used to have Aboriginal employees that never liked each other right off the bat but they were very tight-lipped about why until we brought it up with some with elders/community leaders who mentioned their differing skin groups have some historical bad blood that still lingers to this day. Most of the time it was resolved by keeping them separate from each other in different roles or relocating them to different communities entirely.

              • iguana on 03/04/2023 - 17:12
                +1

                @Gnostikos: That's racism. Imagine if a white person had historical bad blood with another race (ie. Croatians vs Serbians), we wouldn't separate them. Sounds like Aboriginal people can openly hate people from their own race and it's accepted. In fact white people are bending over backwards to accommodate it.

                • Gnostikos on 03/04/2023 - 17:59
                  +1

                  @iguana: Well it gets even worse than that, judges in the NT have previously ruled that Aboriginal domestic violence is a "cultural phenomenon" and as such the perpetrators deserved leniency or in some cases, no punishment at all. NT Judge Judith Kelly spoke about this publicly last year to much political hysteria.

                  So apparently, "Australia says no" unless you're Aboriginal, in which case Australia says "maybe".

                  Imagine if a white person had historical bad blood with another race (ie. Croatians vs Serbians)

                  Funnily enough, when it comes to Croats and Serbs, sporting event organisers in this country have had to repeatedly separate their crowds of fans at certain events, namely the Australian Open and Melbourne Knights games due to the numerous past incidents of violent brawls/clashes between them.

                  FIFA and UEFA don't even allow Serbia, Bosnia or Croatia (or Serbia and Albania specifically) to be in the same groups during group stage/qualifying draws just because of the potential for violence from their fans.

                  Hell, some of the wild brawls and synchronised screaming matches that used to happen at local/state league soccer games between ethnic-dominated teams from that part of the world made rugby and AFL fans look tame by comparison (and yet the actual soccer was always incredibly boring and lacking that same passion, which I never understood).

                  I'm not saying you don't have a point but there are plenty of "white" ethnic groups around the world who were or are in many ways, diplomatically/politically/legally separated from their traditional rivals, e.g. Russians and Ukrainians, Serbs and their neighbours, Irish Catholics/Protestants, Greeks and Macedonians, Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, etc.

                  • CommuterPolluter on 06/05/2023 - 23:13

                    @Gnostikos:

                    Well it gets even worse than that, judges in the NT have previously ruled that Aboriginal domestic violence is a "cultural phenomenon" and as such the perpetrators deserved leniency or in some cases, no punishment at all. NT Judge Judith Kelly(dailymail.co.uk) spoke about this publicly last year to much political hysteria.

                    Half loaded walking down to the servo for smokes, some long grassers want to bum cigarette off us, chatty friend says yeah come with. We get to talking and this lady says she’s from the Alice. Her husband died and so her relatives beat the shit out of her. She reckoned they’ll kill her. Apparently back in the day, whatever mob they were from, the wife would have to die with the husband. It’s only because their cultures already changed somewhat that she wasn’t killed earlier. A confronting story. Only have her word for it, but it’d be par for the course in Alice.

              • TrustNoBody on 03/04/2023 - 18:42

                @Gnostikos: yes country /remote is really really different to city living people .

        • nikey2k27 on 01/04/2023 - 23:23

          hell yes you elders are only people from your own tribe. kids know and play to this.

  • Iwantthebestprice on 31/03/2023 - 10:57
    +4

    A lot of issues with neighbours over the past couple days on this forum

    • Jimothy Wongingtons on 31/03/2023 - 11:13
      +39

      as Roy from IT Crowd would say:

      People, what a bunch of bastards.

      • Caped Baldy on 31/03/2023 - 13:49
        +23

        As Percival Ulysses Cox would say:

        People aren't chocolates. Do you know what they are mostly? Bastards. Bastard coated bastards with bastard filling.

        • Sinnerator on 02/04/2023 - 10:23
          -1

          As Spear from Primal would say:

          AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

      • thanatos350 on 01/04/2023 - 13:39
        +2

        Heard this comment out loud

      • congo on 02/04/2023 - 16:28
        +3

        Bring back "IT Crowd" !!

        • Jimothy Wongingtons on 02/04/2023 - 16:39
          +2

          Look up ‘travel man chris and Richard’ on YouTube if you like the on screen interactions of those two in a different setting

        • ram4ram on 02/04/2023 - 18:48
          +2

          The people of Ozbargain have spoken, BBC. We want IT Crowd! We need more than 5 seasons, with more than 6 episodes each, wtf

          • Jimothy Wongingtons on 03/04/2023 - 09:32
            +1

            @ram4ram: it was 4 seasons and a 'special' longer ep in in 2013 to finish the series wasnt it?

        • Vinnie Vegas on 03/04/2023 - 07:06
          +3

          Graham Linehan decided he cared more about being a transphobe than having a television career, so you're not going to be seeing more of that show.

          "In 2021, Linehan said that he and Serafinowicz had separated following financial problems caused by his activism against the transgender community."

          His wife left him because he won't stop blowing all of their money on being a bigot when he literally has no dog in that fight.

          • Caped Baldy on 03/04/2023 - 16:42

            @Vinnie Vegas: Yikes. I thought the trans episode was pretty fair and didn't show them in such a negative light. The character was open about it and Douglas was shown to be the tool and in remorse at the end of the episode.

            • Jimothy Wongingtons on 04/04/2023 - 09:54
              +1

              @Caped Baldy: Douglas: When we met, as if I'd be worried about something like that! … Oh, poppet… to think when we met, you were so worried that you came from Iran.

  • lostgoat on 31/03/2023 - 10:58
    +3

    I'm sure there is a voyeurism law for whatever state you are in and of course trespassing.
    Contact the authorities and this time try and be heard with possibly some footage.

    • TEER3X on 31/03/2023 - 16:26

      Then the question becomes who's watching who?

      • Flying Ace on 01/04/2023 - 21:26
        +3

        whom

        • Forfiet on 03/04/2023 - 17:26

          Art thou gazing upon mine hearty bosom, good sir? I bequeath thee whom eye's beholden thy to desist post-haste….. Did I get that right?

  • Drpepper666 on 31/03/2023 - 11:01

    there's always… bikies

    • ntt on 01/04/2023 - 09:15
      +7

      there's always… bikies

      too fat to jump over the fence mate

    • hueylewis on 01/04/2023 - 10:36
      -3

      send the mongrel mob…that would be interesting…

  • shaybisc on 31/03/2023 - 11:01

    Paling fence?

    • Lord Fart Bucket on 31/03/2023 - 13:08
      +16

      Impaling fence would solve it?

      • ntt on 01/04/2023 - 09:16

        bear traps and booby trap

        • Ugly on 01/04/2023 - 14:07

          Razor wire

  • Donaldhump on 31/03/2023 - 11:02

    not your problem, agents / cops / bikies

    • RADICALIST on 31/03/2023 - 11:40
      +13

      I know it isn't my problem but I really like these tenants as they a nice family and always pay their rent on time.

      • Donaldhump on 31/03/2023 - 11:47
        +8

        they need to ring the cops, they are adults, and the cops will assist.
        you have no right / cant help, they arent peeping on you

          • thanatos350 on 01/04/2023 - 14:09
            +1

            @Camelface: Absolutely agree.

            Kids are more likely to listen to you if they like and respect you. Become friendly with the parents, learn the names of the children and treat them like cheeky kids and not criminals and maybe OP's tenants will make some progress.

            I grew up in an area with a lot of indigenous kids and even the children who did commit petty crime (not a race thing, was prevalent in general across the area) were incredibly courteous and sweet to the people who treated them with basic decency.

          • TightBungholio on 02/04/2023 - 08:08
            +10

            @Camelface: Yeah every time (profanity) invade my personal property i invite them in….

        • CurlCurl on 31/03/2023 - 17:40
          +13

          For someone "whose problem it isn't" your sure picked a very wide open public space to 'ask for advice'.

          What's wrong with you? OP owns the house. People are trespassing onto his property. They have also damaged his fence.

            • CurlCurl on 31/03/2023 - 17:50
              +6

              @Protractor:

              ere's what the OP said
              "I know it isn't my problem "

              He also said HIS fence has been damaged and could fall over. That is HIS problem.

              • Protractor on 31/03/2023 - 17:53
                -2

                @CurlCurl: There you go again. I commented on his comment .

                His words
                I'm genuinely sorry you don't like it.

            • iCandy on 01/04/2023 - 11:08
              +3

              @Protractor: Found the virtue-signalling bleeding heart!

        • cookie2 on 31/03/2023 - 21:29
          +11

          I think op is just being agreeable by answering that they know it isn't their problem. Stop finding racism and fault where there is none. A very wide open public space? It's an anonymous forum, what would you suggest is better to get advice from a broad range of people or do you just want everyone that says something you find offense from, to shut up?

        • mitt on 31/03/2023 - 23:33
          +29

          lol this guy gets one sniff that someone may be criticising Aboriginals & in he goes on a white knight crusade to rescue the poor oppressed, replying to every critical comment.

          Turns out minorities sometimes do bad things too. Shocker I know.

          • TrustNoBody on 01/04/2023 - 09:04

            @mitt: i’m aboriginal background and i’m first to admit our race gets a bad run but sometimes it’s for a reason but you can’t paint everyone with the same brush ..but in this instance he didn’t need to write what race he could of orginally just wrote like he has now , and just write kids

            • hueylewis on 01/04/2023 - 10:40
              +3

              @TrustNoBody: maybe op is concerned about now to go about this re different agencies for deferential treatment, ie, koori courts, koori welfare, etc etc etc

              • TrustNoBody on 01/04/2023 - 12:02
                +2

                @hueylewis: wtf are you on about ? since when is there koori welfare , koori court ? there is aboriginal housing

                  • TrustNoBody on 01/04/2023 - 18:50
                    +1

                    @hueylewis: i’m in sydney nsw so don’t know what goes on in different states

                • hueylewis on 01/04/2023 - 17:54
                  +1

                  @TrustNoBody: https://www.wa.gov.au/service/aboriginal-affairs/aboriginal-… 33 billion dollars per year of Federal Funding for the whole deal.

                  • TrustNoBody on 01/04/2023 - 18:59
                    +1

                    @hueylewis: that’s not really koori welfare as such , all it is an person who is aboriginal and also on jobseeker ( as everyone is entitled too ) and just register to try and get a job with an aboriginal preferred work place ..
                    what is wrong with this ? it’s a good thing to actually get someone off welfare not just cos they are aboriginal..
                    also you are showing things on offer in vic and wa but i’m in sydney that’s why i hadn’t heard of anything like this that you are talking about but both of these things are a step in the right direction and has nothing to do with a kid jumping a fence

                    • teach86 on 06/05/2023 - 08:05
                      +1

                      @TrustNoBody: Quick google search popped up the NSW Youth Koori court: https://www.childrenscourt.nsw.gov.au/criminal/koori-court.h…

                      I can empathise with the want to approach it from an educated and informed manner when it comes to dealing with conflict involving first people. It is a different situation to if the children did not have indigenous heritage. I’ve had friends either suffer backlash from within the local indigenous community or outside from local virtue warriors because of how they addressed problems they’d had.

                      I’d love to bury my head in the sand and say we’re all the same and treat everyone as such, but that’s not how the world operates (yet…hopefully).

                      • TrustNoBody on 12/05/2023 - 10:47

                        @teach86: thank you , i honestly hadn’t heard of koori court , it’s good that there is something like this available but by the looks it’s only limited to surry hills now .

          • hueylewis on 01/04/2023 - 10:41
            +8

            @mitt: social justice warrior virtue signaller, thinks he needs to speak up for minorities. the hero nobody wanted, the hero nobody asked for…

          • Gnostikos on 03/04/2023 - 12:15
            +1

            @TightBungholio: What a bigot, he doesn't even believe in the existence of Aboriginal people.

      • derrida derider on 31/03/2023 - 22:10
        +1

        Offer to put in a big high fence then?

      • dcep on 01/04/2023 - 12:56

        you can be nice to them by putting up a security fence.

  • try2bhelpful on 31/03/2023 - 11:04
    +15

    Maybe start with installing some cameras towards the backyard to capture footage of them doing it. Then I would talk to the neighbours and say if the kids don’t stop it you will call the cops. I would, also, point out the damaged fence. Are they owners or renters? If the rent you might be able to go to the Agent they rent from.

    The trouble is they can make your life even more unpleasant if they want to.

    • Chandler on 31/03/2023 - 14:45
      +4

      Then I would talk to the neighbours and say if the kids don’t stop it you will call the cops. I would, also, point out the damaged fence. Are they owners or renters? If the rent you might be able to go to the Agent they rent from

      Their kids are already jumping the fence into the neighbours yard, unlikely the parent's will care about the damage. (and this is irrespective of anyone's race)

      • try2bhelpful on 31/03/2023 - 17:54
        +1

        I didn’t read the bit about race. It must’ve been gone before I read the article or I missed it. The parents might be interested if they think this will cause them problems.

      • raiseyoursteaks on 02/04/2023 - 07:26
        +1

        Do the adults have jobs? If they household is in a carefree living life without a care, they will make life miserable… I.e…steal your letters. So cctv on the post box too? The fact that they allowed this to happen or have no sense of awareness that their kids are jumping fences says alot.

    • iguana on 31/03/2023 - 23:18
      +2

      Do you think a family like that would be owners? LOL.

    • TrustNoBody on 01/04/2023 - 09:05
      +6

      he said like government housing and i can tell you first hand that they won’t get in trouble off the housing

  • pharkurnell on 31/03/2023 - 11:16
    +19

    Razor wire.

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