Just noticed a price drop on all models. According to this article, all models are down by $3400.
I mainly posted this deal to ignite another Tesla flame war, although feel free to buy a high yield investment product with it if you wish :D
Tesla Model 3 base prices: RWD $60,900, Long Range $73,900, Performance $86,900
Order fee: $400
Delivery fee: $1,000
State-based on-road cost & stamp duty: variable
State-based EV incentives: variable
Model Y & 3 purchase: Referee gets 90 days Enhanced Autopilot. Referrer gets 5,000 credits. Referrer can also earn 100 credits if the referee takes a test drive.
Limit of up to 12 order referrals and 60 test drive referrals per calendar year.
I'm waiting for your post on getting a Tesla for pennies by using a Turkey VPN…
That would be a high yield investment!
👏 bravo
I wonder how long until we start grey importing electric vehicles from China
I’m sure we would have long ago, except for the steering wheel being on the other side of the car.
I wonder how long until we start grey importing electric vehicles from China
ADR's make that almost impossible.
BYD,
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2019-byd-e6-auto/SS…
DELIVERS GREAT VALUE
Looking for efficiency and styling rolled into one? Then here it is. It has 2 airbags fitted for your safety. This BYD E6 2019 has hill holder. This car has driver airbag, front & rear power windows, rear spoiler, front cup holders and remote central locking. This car has climate control air conditioning and starter button.
ozbargainer's base level is 100
Lol
There are only three!!!
3 RWD $62,700
why do people neg?
Why are people so unkind?
Because it is an annoying, over used meme. Feel free to neg me, I don't really care about imaginary internet points.
When your on your 5th Covid Jab downvoting is automatic, you have no control over it sorry.
This line is so overcooked now that's it almost boring
*Waiting for 2nd handed Model 3's to drop into the 40's eventually…
There’s a few of them on carsales now actually I see
This has to do with the project Highland rumors.
They’re dreaming, who’s going to pay 50 grand for a 4 year old out of warranty M3 with high km’s when they can buy brand new for 63k?
really? thats a massive improvement
i remember back in 2021 i was looking at new and the ones on carsales were actually more expensive
@desync: New cars also get the FBT saving while a used car would not. I believe it needs to be first registered after 1 July 2022 to qualify.
@desync: In 2021 used cars were more expensive because you could actually go out and buy one today, whereas new cars had a huge waiting time due to supply chain issues.
Don't forget on road costs for a new car :)
Lol those poor people trying to buy and sell for a higher price lol
I cry tears ..hahah
Not a fan of the Tesla's personally but good on the company for dropping prices. Hopefully see the market adjust.
What poor people? I was offered an extra 10k without me offering the car for sale
12 months ago maybe.
Salvos do a food truck in the city every Wednesday, if that helps…
FYI, new hybrid Rav 4 back in 2020 has battery warranty for approximately 10 years (I recall it's based on distance, can't remember). The replacement cost is $1000ish. When I did the calcs back then, the difference between petrol and hybrid is around $5000 and break-even is around 5years.Plus an extra $1000 for battery it was still worth it.
Toyota battery and a EV battery probably aren't the same
@TightAl: to be fair the person they were replying to said "I would never buy a second hand electric/hybrid"
@TightAl: Toyota Hybrid batteries are generally 1kwh. Older ones use NiMH which you can actually buy reconditioned cells. (Check on youtube how they recondition).
Tesla have integrated batteries into part of the structure which means replacing might be a problem.
@netjock: Kluger = 1.9kWh
Camry / Rav4 = 1.6kWh
Corolla / Corolla Cross = 1.3kWh
Yaris / Yaris Cross = 0.8kWh
A tesla battery module is about $30k.
A Toyota hybrid battery pack may have a module or two replaced for $1k but its not a new battery. I think a Toyota hybrid pack new from Toyota is about $8k after warranty.
@BargainGain: damn just the battery replacement being almost half the vehicle's price. welcome to age of proprietary spare parts.
@selphie: Battery cost of manufacture has dropped significantly, though cost of Lithium continues to rise-not through lack of supply but speculation.
Heads up: copper shortage looming.
@BargainGain: This ^ is my reason to avoid Tesla - once the warranty expires, your repair costs are unknown.
@ihfree: Their proprietary nature made Tesla’s spare parts not readily available with almost no alternatives other than what Tesla provides, less availabilty = high prices, very different proposition to ICE.
That cheap hybrid battery is offset by all the maintenance costs of the hybrid vehicle.
@samfisher5986: $205 per service for 60k/kms or 5 years whichever come first. 15k service interval (at least for the Corolla)
@netjock: Scroll up in the link.
Your assertion that the Y long range with disbelief that this variant would never make it to Aus.
@pogichinoy: Whatever you are on, get off it it immediately.
Because obviously that is a different conversation to this. What has the Y LR got to do with anything on this current thread and discussion? Does it alter the cost of servicing, what needs to be serviced?
Maybe you book marked all of this and pull it out in 10 years and believe it is the same fact.
@netjock: Can’t post on the linked thread cos it’s old but just a friendly reminder that YOU don’t know business of what you claimed to be.
@pogichinoy: Don't think you know anything either.
Tesla delivered less cars than they produced, even after price cuts. Might just be bringing it here because they got nowhere else to send them. Maybe there will be a few fools to buy it.
Toyota doesn't bring the Corolla hybrid wagon here and they got a 24 month wait on the Corolla, Toyota said not enough demand.
I really don't think you know anything other than telling other people they don't know anything.
@samfisher5986: Mate you simply don't know what you're taking about. I would travel a lot in the past (pre Covo) and getting cabs from melb airport to CBD and back I would always ask the cabbies about Hybrid camrys and what thought of them. All of the ower drivers raved about how good they were and even being petrol only they smashed the old LPG Falcon in terms of fuel and overall running costs. The batteries were replaced at around 300-350,000 KM and at the time the replacement cost was about $4000 and the cost easily paid for the fuel savings. There was no additional maintenance being a "Hybrid".
@BlinkyBill: Hybrid is the way to go, this tesla bs is just for greens and teals who have no clue about anything
@botchie: Depends on how you look at it, if you take ideology out of it, greenie or otherwise, for a performance car nothing comes close to the value of a Model 3 Performance. Dollar for dollar the quickest thing available.
@BlinkyBill: Where do you use your performance? 0-60, or even more recently 0-50?
Where is this needed to be worth a consideration
@botchie: I use the performance of my Model 3 Performance all the time, it's great for humiliating anything shy of a hyper car at the old traffic light gp. You don't have to speed to have fun. It attracts almost zero unwanted attention from the boys in blue. They also steer remarkably well, so well infact you turn out of a T intersection foot flat to floor on a wet road at it make the turn, try that in conventional ice performance car and you will wrap it around a pole in no time (the traction and stability control systems simply can't react quick enough). For practical uses merging and lanes changes you don't even need to think about gaps, you just make them, you can be in a gap and merge immediately.
@BlinkyBill: A hybrid car has a traditional ice engine inside of it so obviously its going to have all of that to maintain compared to an electric car.
There is simply no argument that you will be paying maintenance costs for two sets of engines which is guaranteed to be a lot higher then an electric car that has next to nothing to maintain in comparison.
@samfisher5986: Yeah I get that, I would never buy a hybrid (unless that hybrid is a performance ice car that uses battery for torque fill), for me it's worst of both worlds, but there are use case where they make total sense.
@BlinkyBill: The extra maintenance cost is compared to EVs, not conventional combustion engines. It doesn't really work yet as the service intervals and costs haven't been adjusted much for the much greater inherent reliability and durability of electric drive trains as they are only just hitting mass market adoption. I would expect this to change in the future (2-10 years) but it is a wash at the moment.
@BlinkyBill: People have dug their own graves.
The electric part of the hybrid doesn't need servicing like the electric cars. Just the ICE part. It is one set of rules for BEVs but another for hybrids.
It is like left brain and right brain. Never able to think as one brain.
@MITM: That is why a model 3 is like 1.8T where a BMW 3 series (which Tesla likes to compare to) is 1.8T
I have RAV4 hybrid 2021. Get 5.3L/100km. Only paid 43k with tow bar. 1000km between fill ups. $215 service per year. Come on man. Electric cars are not worth it unless you want it for amazing speed, acceleration but super uncomfortable ride, annoying fiddly screen just to change your aircon settings in the case of Tesla.
@Naigrabzo: Yeah, not a fan of Tesla but EVs will certainly dominate in the future. I agree on the stupid touch screens. Sure, have one if that is what the go is, but give me a normal aircon and fan physics controls, a volume knob and change tracks so I don't have to look away from the road.
@Naigrabzo: Trust me drive one before passing judgement on screen, having owned all manner of cars, I have no reason to need or want a traditional dash/instrument cluster. If I want it warmer/colder press right steering wheel button and just say "make it warmer/colder, set fan to 6". most of the commonly used controls are close to the drive on the right of the screen too.
Tesla is one of the few car that voice control actually works. It only gets some weirdo Australian address name wrong, wayyy less than other makes.
the cost to replace the battery is about $2k.
🤣🤣🤣
Closer to $20K
@jv: I would gladly pay 20K in 10 years time for a new battery pack. Lookup the prices of a transmission or engine rebuild for anything that makes 400+ KW, your eyes will water.
@BlinkyBill: https://www.topspeed.com/tesla-reliability-and-repair-costs-…
It's not just about the battery pack. Tesla vehicles are just notoriously bad at qa and reliability in general is a mess.
Also making comparisons at all to 400kw+ vehicles instantly loses you a whole lot of credibility
@bumluffa: Do your research properly. Your linked article refers to US-made Teslas, Australia's come from China and is an infinitely better product.
@bumluffa: Why would it lose credibility, I've been around these sorts of cars for 20+ years, I know what cost buy, build, and maintain. A model 3 perf will trap 11.5-11.7 all day everyday wet or dry. To get that level of performance you need 400+ KW in an equivalent size ice car. These things cost peanuts to run and require minimal maintenance.
Lookup the prices of a transmission or engine rebuild
My 17yo car is purring like a kitten, won't need a new transmission or engine for a very long time.
@jv: We can't have Ozbargain's most prolific poster driving around in a 17 year old death trap!
It's time to pick something up with modern safety features and maybe an entertainment system that you can access Ozbargain on.
@jv: Your Camry will be fine, high performance ice cars that driven like they're intended to won't. Big power cars regularly chew thru clutches, snap input shafts, wear bearings, oil gets past rings resulting in blow by etc. You just build that into the overall maintenance budget.
You haven't done your research have you…
Tesla bagteries are getting to 300,000k's+ before needing to be changed
That's probably best case scenario. Most people will only get 8-10 years of use before they need replacing.
What do they do with the old batteries?
Recycle insides to 98% efficiency
🤣🤣🤣
Tesla 'claim' they recycle nearly 100% of their batteries, but they won't tell you that most of each battery goes into landfill.
@jv: They make children from 3rd world countries eat them.
To make Soylent Lithium.
Which in turn is fed to other child slaves to continue digging at lithium and cobalt mines.
@jv: My understanding is that's worst case scenario with the current gen of batteries, with best case closer to 1M kilometres.
After that recycle, or the batteries will still have plenty of life for other applications such as a house battery that requires less draw.
@jv: Maybe recycling is something that should be focussed on and possibly regulated by the government. It's a valid conversation, though along with your other talking points, you're just spreading FUD.
JV, get of Sky!
Edit: This may be of interest - old EV batteries used for grid-scale energy storage
That's probably best case scenario. Most people will only get 8-10 years of use before they need replacing.
You mixed your units of measure. 300,000kms is about 37 years at my current usage rates.
300,000kms
You'd be lucky to go 50km per charge after 300,000kms.
Practically, most people would want to replace their batteries in 8-10 years.
@jmel: That is one person, most people will need to replace it way before then.
Car is 4 years old and driving always on highways.
If you want to post an article about one person, why not post this instead…
@jv: No, that EOL figure (which is way out of date and is now 500,000+) is when the battery has 80% of its original spec'ed capacity. They would still be fine to use and great for stationary battery's once removed from the car and upgraded.
@jv: Per below testing the new LFP batteries in model 3/Y can do 3000 full discharge cycles and retain around 90% of original capacity. Even if as a sceptic (who i presume hasn't driven one) you assumed 300km from a full charge, that's still 900,000km driven and 90% of original capacity retained, so not quite sure the basis of your comment.
https://www.onecharge.biz/blog/lfp-lithium-batteries-live-lo….
@jv: Don't lie JV. At least suck to truthful talking points instead of regurgitating whatever rubbish you hear on Sky.
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