Cheapest of all time for this drive
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No you don't.
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Is this a good deal? How much better/ more expensive is dram?
This is a decent deal for a secondary games drive, probably not the best for main drive since its QLC
Ahh i was going to use it as main drive
It comes down to how much data writes you will be doing. For a 4TB SSD, it is unlikely that it will be solely used for OS and apps (unless you have a 8TB SSD for data already). If you don't care about its poor QLC foldback write speed, it is fine.
QLC SSDs are fine for reads. The slow writes can be frustrating at times. They are a pain when running full drive write tests, but most people don't fill a QLC SSD in one go and even less people bother doing a full drive write test.
I do have a QLC SSD as an OS drive on an older PC. It's generally fine.
Should be fine for this size as the SLC cache would be larger.
Now or hodl your money until prime day?
A lot of us missed out on the $229 4TB deal (basically same components but PNY). However, if you really need a 4TB SSD right now, then it is fine. Otherwise, might be better to wait.
That PNY is Gen 4 and faster, right?
Yup
fits PS5 ??
No
Yes, you sure can fit it in, but it won't work.
waiting for $200 for 4tb and i'll finally replace my old 3.5" 4tb HDD which is blocking airflow in my itx case 😎
what exactly do we manufacture here ?
Bargain hunters 😎
Is it still ozbaragin
It has never been 'ozbaragin'.
Any thoughts on putting these into a RAID array? I’ve been eyeballing the new Asus Flashstor box.
Get the Team Group MP34 instead. Much better drive.
Looks good. Will investigate. I take it the recommendation comes by the high endurance rating of the MP34?
It's likely he encountered the ugly side of QLC foldback write, for P3, the write speed drops to 100MB/s max.
Team Group MP34, assuming Team hasn't swapped components, is a TLC SSD and due to that, the TBW would obviously be higher. MP34 also has DRAM.
The tricky part is that it comes down to your usage. MP34 has a relatively small SLC cache (could be a static cache). While we prefer a larger SLC cache in general, there is one advantage of such approach, there is little to no SLC recovery write / foldback write needed so you get to have a more consistent write performance. Problem is, if you can utilise the much larger SLC cache on P3 and avoid data writes during its recovery, then P3 could outperform. The main issue is we don't buy an SSD to "workaround" its limitations. It feels a bit weird that for a 4TB SSD, you should write less and less data each time and have a sufficient break in between (to let the QLC recover data previously written in SLC mode).
The real issue is still price. We prefer a 4TB DRAMless QLC SSD at $229 or below.
@netsurfer: So, if you take all these factors in mind, eg. TLC, DRAM, reads, writes, TBW, etc…
…in your opinion, which SSD has all of the best, top-notch components and excellent metrics ?
I'm trying to gauge the 'best' drive and the price,
and then the 'worst' drive and the price,
to find the Goldilocks SSD, haha
@whyisave: You just need to buy the cheapest, unless you have some very specific use cases.
For just running Windows, holding Steam games, photos, documents etc then any drive is just fine.
What do you use your computer for ?
cheapest, unless you have some very specific use cases.
I'm usually this person, to buy cheap and with "good enough" use case,
but since I have had failures with spindle hard-drives before,
reading about the SSD metrics give me some concern.
The thing I wanted to know was, which SSD right now on the market,
is considered the 'best', so I get to understand what to look for.
Then, I'll figure out what I think is a good price-point for me,
because I'm only looking for a 2TB - 4TB SSD for storage only,
as I have several small 2.5 spindle drives as back-up drives.
@whyisave: If money is no object, the fastest SSD is Intel Optane SSD DC P5800X 1.6TB: $5580 AUD, but we know Intel has stopped Optane.
For consumer / prosumer grade PCIe gen 4 x4 SSDs, it is not as clearcut. You can make a case for Samsung 990 Pro, Solidigm P44 Pro, WD SN850X or Seagate FireCuda 530 (or Kingston KC3000). It comes down to what you are after because there is no SSD which dominates every aspect. You need to decide which aspects are more important to you (reads, writes, mixed (reads + writes), latency, power consumption). Lastly, PCIe gen 5 x4 first gen SSDs are coming up so does it really matter that much (which PCIe gen 4 x4 is the best) if you are after "the best"? There will be second gen PCIe gen 5 x4 SSDs further down the track.
Long term reliability on those SSDs is not yet known. For people where their work can pay for the SSDs (and doctors), they will just pick an SSD / SSDs they like. For most OZBers, it is more about good value for money.
only looking for a 2TB - 4TB SSD for storage only,
Then a cheap drive is absolutely fine.
The use case is all important here 👍
I am looking for an external drive for video editing. Any recommendations for a USB C enclosure that would work well? Thanks in advance.
It has more to do with what your PC/Mac/Laptop supports. If it only supports USB 3.2 gen 2, then just get a realtek based USB-C enclosure. If your PC, laptop supports Thunderbolt / USB 4, and money is not an issue, then a Thunderbolt enclosure is much better.
This SSD is not ideal for serious video editing storage though, its QLC write speed, especially the foldback write is quite bad.
Thank you! I own a Macbook M1 Pro and I've been using a Samsung T7 SSD 2TB. But I find myself running out of storage when working on two projects simultaneously. So, I'm looking for an upgrade to a 4TB SSD. If you have any recommendations, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you in advance!
My recommendation for Macs is a bit different. Mac internal storage upgrades are expensive. So I tend to suggest getting better external storage. However, that's based on the assumption you did not upgrade internal storage or only upgraded to 1TB. One of my mates has a 4TB Mac Studio so he doesn't need external storage.
Thunderbolt enclosure is recommended if budget permits. The difference (vs USB 3.2 gen 2) to me is noticeable. A TLC based SSD is better unless you are only after a large SSD to store old / completed project files. There is no 4TB I can recommend right now because AUD has fallen a fair amount this week so a number of acceptable deals look not so good.
Silicon Power XS70 4TB ($388.06) is now $10 more expensive than last week. The 2TB has had components swap so there is a decent chance 4TB will soon suffer the same fate (or could have happened now) making it hard to recommend.
We are letting "4TB" cloud our judgements. Ideally, a 4TB QLC SSD should be priced at the level of an equivalent 2TB TLC SSD. That means ~$150 for P3. However, most people will be happy to get a 4TB P3 SSD for $229 AUD.
Having had this drive before, and then replacing it with the Team Group MP34, I cannot in all honesty recommend this drive. I'd pay the little bit more for the Team drive.
Does anyone know if this SSD will work with a "ASUS ROG Strix Arion USB3.2 Gen2 M.2 NVMe SSD Enclosure"?
Yes, but remember the read/write speeds will be around 1000MB/s when used in a USB3.2 Gen2 enclosure.
Still fast speeds though.
The 4TB P3 Plus is now all time low as well:
https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B0B25M8FXX/ref=ox_sc_ac…
Yes but waiting for sub $250
Holding hand for the Prime Days
You hold your own hand?
I had to check when this was,…
2023 Amazon Prime Day
11-12 July
So, Prime Day will be in 2023-24 tax year…
Is there a recommendation for a non-QLC drive at all? It's going to be a photography drive, but I write a lot to that drive (astro pictures, can take hundreds on a night)
MP34? The amazon listing specifically says TLC so you'd have grounds for free return if it's not.
Thanks! I bought one of those a couple of weeks ago so will buy another
Is this any good to be used in a PS4 pro with sata ssd enclosure? Looking for a 4tb cheap alternative.
QLC for a USB 3.0 storage drive should be overkill. M.2 USB enclosure should be easy to check compatibility.
If you compare it to a SATA SSD, like the 860/870 QVO, The PS4 Pro, afaik doesn’t have the bandwidth for SSD so it’s not a huge loss if you get an older QLC, or use it in an enclosure vs a SATA 3.
It might shave 5 seconds off a 2 minute loading screen.
https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2020-8tb-ps4-pro-st…
Good for a secondary ssd drive pool 😊
Does it work with ps5?
I don’t need it.
I don’t need it.
I definitely don’t need it.
I NEED IT !!!