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Micron A-die capable of 6200/CL36
6200 CL36-44-40-30 1.35 ~ 1.4V
AMD owners upgrade your board to the latest AGESA 1.0.0.7 BIOS for better RAM stability and O/C potential
F5-5200J4040A16GX2-RS5K
5200MHz CL40-40-40-83 @ 1.1V, Dual Channel Kit, Intel XMP 3.0, Black, Low-Profile Design
Limited Lifetime/s Warranty
isn't that the standard cycle and it rises in price once update picks up?
Damn, bought some 4800 CL40 for $98 32Gb. Mine was 2x16GB sticks of Crucial DDR5 4800 CL40. I'm currently at 5400 CL40 without the new 1.0.0.7 AGESA update. Updating the BIOS tonight and seeing what happens
Damn good price for Micron A-die, some say it can go to 7000/8000mhz
i may be wrong but you might be confusing this for hynix a-die? i don't think ive personally heard of anyone going much higher than what op suggested with micron. hynix, on the other hand, can most definitely do 7000+ with ease
Should I buy this or ddr4 3600mhz cl16 32gb for my new pc build? Does this mean i also need a different mobo?
Need a motherboard to suit the RAM you get.
With the price of DDR5 RAM, you could probably build a DDR5 machine for the same or cheaper even with a more expensive motherboard.
Even if it's a bit more. I'd say it's worth it.
I'm a little new to building PC but let me get this right. You need a motherboard that suits your ram and currently motherboards that are compatible with ddr5 are more expensive than those compatible with ddr4. However, ddr5 ram for the same performance is cheaper than ddr4 so you could balance out the costs?
Would you say this ram is faster than a ddr4 3600mhz cl16 32gb? I know this ram is a little more expensive than what's shown in this deal but that's what I was planning on buying for a ddr4 build
Ddr4 is a bit cheaper so in price performance about equal. Benefit of ddr5 build is getting am5 platform motherboard so you can upgrade Amd CPU and ram in years to come. Ddr4 is a dead platform soon.
mind you, ddr5 motherboard prices are falling. if i were you id spend the extra money now and get a nice board. this ram is faster than that ddr4 kit, especially when overclocked.
DDR4-3600 CL16 has lower RAM latency than DDR5-5200 CL40. However, DDR5-5200 has more bandwidth. Which one will be faster depends on the applications. DDR5 is more future proofing for now though we do not know whether there will be newer types of DDR5 memory and whether they will be more be to reduce cost or to increase performance.
CPU and GPU make more difference.
@netsurfer: My understanding is that GPUs will work with either ddr4 or ddr5 most of the time. How about CPU? Do I need a specific ddr5 CPU and if so, how do their cost to performance ratios compare to a ddr4 CPU? I was planning on just buying a Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor
@Iwillhelpyou: I meant system RAM advantage is minimal compared to getting a better CPU and/or a better GPU.
FOMO on cheap DDR5 RAM resulting in getting a partial upgrade on a system or a new PC build which one doesn't really need isn't worth the time and money.
If you are building completely new system you are better off buying ddr5. If you already have Am4 CPU and mobo you're better off with ddr4, since buying new gen Am5 mobo will also need new CPU.
When you say you're better off buying ddr5 is it simply because of the ability to upgrade?
I've never upgraded my pc, the one i'm using now i'll probably just sell. When it comes to picking ddr5 over ddr4 right now, is it just to upgrade or is the actually a price to performance benefit? Like all included, if i bought an equivalent performance CPU, Mobo and Ram for ddr5 instead of to what I would've bought for a ddr4 build, would it be cheaper or is it just a future proof type thing?
Because from the above comment, it does seem like ddr5 ram shown here has a better price to performance ratio than the 3600mhz cl16 32gb ram which i was going to buy and is usually priced around $120. Though I'm not sure how prices differ for equivalent Mobos and CPUs
Needs moar RGB :(
It has the perfect amount of RGB
How to control the temptation of upgrading from 5600 to 7600/7800x3D?
I did it, and didn't see a huge increase in performance. Hang in there!
Thanks for the support mate, appeciate it. I saw some snapiness in windows going from 3700X to 5600, so was always tempted to go 7xxx. Though I know 8xxx is already on the way and would be a much better upgrade.
If you can feel the difference between 3700X and 5600, then upgrade. It's your credit card so buy buy buy.
Not a big fan of first gen AM5. Clearly AMD will correct some of the DDR5 mistakes in the next gen GPUs.
@John Doh: Which apps do you use? If you are not getting 10-15% boost in gaming, are you going to really benefit from 7xxx?
@netsurfer: Windows boot up times, browser opening times, word opening times etc. Overall I mean. Gaming, 5600 and 3080Ti go hand in hand at 4K, but with DLSS quality enabled, the 5600 ever so slightly gets bottlenecked in certain games - Horizon Zero dawn for example. Hence thinking of waiting for 8000 series with newer chipsets if any. They should definitely support greater than 6000MHz RAM.
@John Doh: Opening word app is like 1 second on 3700X so you can feel the 0.1 to 0.15 second difference?
@netsurfer: Mate, the difference can be felt. I dont use word often, but in general/overall, right from the first time I booted windows, it was already evident that I had a different CPU working under the hood (not a placebo). Whether you want to beleive it or not, is left to you. It was not an SSD upgrade mind you.
The 6 core 5600 running at 4.65GHz was already as fast as the 3700X (4.20GHz) with 8 cores in multi threaded app, that translates to good single threaded performance increase.
@John Doh: I have both CPUs in question, but I cannot really feel the advantage in Web browsing or word processing.
I get the single core benchmark difference, but when not looking at benchmark figures, I don't really notice the difference. It's different to when I use Apple Silicon based Macs, which I certainly can notice the difference. I guess I should do some code compilation test to try out the two CPUs.
@netsurfer: No not word processing, opening word and other apps. I definitely noticed difference. That was why I was thinking of upgrading to 7xxx. But at this point law of diminishing returns probably kick in.
@John Doh: Same SSD? Anyway, I will run some tests. Opening word docs is nothing, I will run some project compilations. That will show a bigger difference.
Apple silicon difference is far more noticeable.
A quick test on 3700X, on the chipset slot NVMe SSD (PCIe gen 4 but the chipset slot, so slower than the SSD wired to the CPU lanes directly). Extracting all filed from a 4GB ISO (Windows ISO) took 5-6 seconds. My 5600 runs PCIe Bifurcation so it can support 5 PCIe gen 4 x4 all on through CPU lanes. 3700X is on a board that can do that too, but couldn't be bothered setting it up.
I actually noticed some annoying glitches when using SK Hynix DDR4-3600 CL18 RAM modules with 5600 (it is the RAM, not the CPU)… micro stutters.
Need to test using the same SSD so it is a bit annoying.
@netsurfer: No, code compilation will parallel out. Yes, same SSD(970 nvme) and system, only CPU got replaced. The frame rate in games jumped a bit with DLSS enabled. But not by much, just enough to go hand in hand with the GPU. Like i said, just the snappiness of the system. Just click reaction times. With such single threaded speed increase, I wouldnt be surprised :)
@John Doh: Gaming, certainly 5600 is better. Like I said, if you can feel that amount of single core difference, then the gap between 7xxx series and 5xxxx series is even higher. You will be able to feel that difference.
It's relative, I just don't feel 5600 fast, but that's probably because I am used to Intel 12th gen and Apple Silicon. The AGESA update being in the hands of motherboard makers is annoying. The latest AGESA helps fixing core boost issue on 5xxx series CPUs and the main board I am using doesn't have that AGESA update.
@netsurfer: Correct, I read many saying intel is snappier than AMD. I did feel that tho. I upgraded from an overclocked 3570K running at 4.4 to 3700X at 4.2 and didnt find the general app click reaction time all that better on AMD. So yes 12th gen is probably snappier. M series on the other hand are very fast no doubt. I dont own one, but have used one for a few days for development (13" M1 Pro). Was so much better than the intel mac I own.
@John Doh: What kind of test would be suitable? A large Excel spreadsheet with 8 pivot tables and 6 pivot charts? Would that show a big enough difference? I will be using flagship PCIe gen 4 x4 SSD on CPU lanes.
How far is 8xxx away I need to upgrade my i7 8700k paired with a 4080, battlefield 2047 is bottlenecking me @1440p
@Believ3r: Omg dude me too 4070ti with a Intel 8400 haha, game is at max 100% on the CPU on a 34" ultrawide OLED
@Believ3r: I think next year sometime. If your are getting 100+ frames you can probably hold. But mins might suffer. I would upgrade now if I had 4080 at 1440p.
Meanwhile I did it, got a 3x FPS uplift in Escape From Tarkov at 1440p, and people playing MMOs like WOW or FFXIV see just as large an increase.
Depends on the games you play.
You upgraded from i7 8700k?
I managed to get 4 sticks of 16GB each (64GB) stable on AM5 with 6000 CL36. So 4 sticks is possible for anyone wondering with the new bios revisions.
that's with 2 of these kits?
Corsair. Different kit
How does this compare?
CORSAIR Vengeance DDR5 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 5600 (PC5-44800) CL40 1.25V Intel XMP Memory - Black $263.07
https://www.amazon.com.au/Corsair-Vengeance-2x32GB-PC5-41600…
those are better - its most likely hynix m-die, so they have a higher ceiling for clockspeeds and you'll probably be able to get tighter timings too if you overclock them.
Thanks, so they are much better value per Gb!
Is this a good quality set of sticks? Thinking of buying but if it's considerably worse then the $150-180 sticks then maybe I won't.
they are fine quality and you can easily overclock these to match the performance of pricier ram. but if you just wanna enable xmp or expo and call it a day then you might wanna look at the more expensive kits.
Thanks for the reply, yeah I heard 6000mhz is the sweet spot, if this could go up there perhaps it would be good enough, if I can cheap out here and save like $50, without losing any performance that would be great.
Unless something has changed, and/or I could just be wrong, but Micron A-die is not what you want.
Hynix A-die or M-die (with the latter being the more affordable one) is "where its at" for DDR5 and overclocking…
definitely true but this is significantly cheaper than any hynix a-die or m-die i can think of
Does it make much of a difference tho?
for overclocking, definitely.
it does to some degree, but a fair bit of testing has been done on Ryzen 7000 cpus with DDR5 (with the new bios that improves ram compatibility), 6000-6400~odd speed is the sweet spot for Ryzen 7000 cpus even against ram with speeds of 7000+ given latency etc. so if this kit can overclock to around 6000 @ CL36 for $99 that's good enough
testing here by AHC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT_Km8UzZvY
he guys remember when i got downvoted for shitting on this deal? oh wait i was right all along, ha!
Doesn't really matter if you're right, you come across as a irritating know it all douche.
How would this compare with samsung 5600 ddr5 kits? I cant remember the details but I think I got my corsair 5600 samsungs to 6000 cl36 @ 1.4v, so about the same as these after OC?
I have the Kingston beast equivalent. Bought in Jan for $230. Paired with13600kf works a charm.
Planning on a new build for the 8xxx series AMD cpus, is there any reason to wait for them to be announced for buying ram and other things like the MOBO. I know it'll use AM5 but is there any sort of feature coming or support for faster ram or anything like that rumoured? Starting from scratch with an AM5 build so thought I might as well wait for the 8xxx series and only bought storage so far just not sure how I should go about ram and the rest.
The recent AGESA update to unlock stable DDR5 speeds above 6000 means 4800, 5200 and 5600 kits will be cleared out and eventually dropped (like this deal)
So more DDR5 deals are on the way
For mobos, unlike AM4, most first gen AM5 boards have decent VRM's so 8000 series will slot in fine
The only reasons you might wait for a B750 or X770 board would be for PCIe 5.0, USB 4 support and potentially more PCIe lanes
Cheers thanks for that!
Reasons to wait are:
Deal back on
Anyone actually overclock this? How did you go?
I got this and i have no idea how to oc ram but i did 6000mhz on the "Memory Try It" and its working perfectly.
what is "Memory Try It"? are you on AMD or Intel?
AMD. It's just a few memory configs that the motherboard makes up for overclocking.
Can't believe how fast DDR5 has dropped since release