Workplace Cancelling Work from Home Completely

So my workplace canceled WFH benefits completely and has asked people to come to work 5 days a week at the notice of a week a month ago.

Before joining the HR touted they offer 'great' flexibility and at max we will be asked to work 3 days from the office which now they completely reneged on. Most employees joined them a year ago based on such promises and now they've completely gone back on their promise.

This sudden change of rule might also be because the company is not doing well. Their share price has well below half and they might be looking to offload people without trying to lay them off. Not only that people with genuine work-from-home requests like people whose kids are registered in NDIS etc are being rejected requests officially and are being asked to take holidays or come to the office after taking care of their arrangements and working late etc.

Some of us work in IT and we really don't need to be in the workplace since its been proven over the last 3 years all over the world and they still insist that we have to be working from the office. Some people with no excuses do work from home though which angers most employees since there is a clear double standard between someone new and old employees.

Is this fair? Can something be done about this?

Comments

        • in my opinion… metro is a political project so it wasn't about helping people to go to CBD using public transport… liberal in sydney wanted to privatise sydney train so there won't be any strike ever again around election and one way to do it to build alternative network and make it ready to privatise sydney train.. !

  • +1

    at max we will be asked to work 3 days from the office

    When a company says max 3 days. They expect you to come in 3 days a week.

    Be honest, you and the majority of the colleagues probably didnt come in at all mostly. As such, the ultimatum is given.

    • Actually 3 days were strictly imposed and everyone had to come to office; no exceptions. After that they pull off this move of taking wfh out completely.

      It was a silent way to layoff people and it seems to be working for them.

      • +1

        From a company perspective, this is a sound strategy. They can make people leave without paying out. But if you were to look for a new position out there, no one is going to advertise flexible working arrangements anymore. Most companies are slowly transitioning to full time work in office. You will end up in the same situation again.

  • +12

    A WFH day goes for 8 hours, during which I get 7.5 hours of work done.

    An RTO day goes for 11 hours, during which I get 6 hours of work done.

    WFH: At the end of the week, I am 40 hours tired, and you've had 37.5 hours of productivity from me.
    RTO: At the end of the week, I am 55 hours tired, and you've had 30 hours of productivity from me.

    Every week, as I get more tired, those 30 hours of productivity become less effective due to burnout.

    I've been advocating for WFH for 20 years. It is better for everyone. Maybe not in all roles, but in IT, I can say that with 100% certainty.

    • +1

      it is only not good for rich people with intrest in office buildings, small businesses … and banks and super fund etc.. !!

      • You can thank the government for wasting tens of billions building the metros to the CBD.

        Why in the world shoudl tax payers spend billions so a few office owners can keep them rented is absurd.

  • Unfortunately, employers have a way of getting rid of staff.
    The employer can give you more work duties, shuffle you around, not give you a pay rise, change your role a bit, re-organise the business…
    If you are unhappy, you have to just move on and not whinge about it.
    Even if you can work from home, it doesn't matter.
    My advice is to seek advice from an accredited specialist in industrial and employment law.
    You can request a referral from your state Law Society.
    As much as you want to take stress leave, paid leave entitlements, yada yada, at the end of the day, do you want the job or not?

  • did you join a union, if not it is just you verses the machine, FIGHT

    • +1

      Bit hard to fight in a onesie and uggs .
      Besides, the moment they find the fraudulent bit in the CV ( "I work well in a team" ) the fight is over.

  • +2

    Simple answer, refuse and ignore any requests to come to the office.

    We all know why this is happening, those parasite managers dont actually contribute to the business, their only ability is to sit in an office watching a meeting or taking rollcall. Manager are shitting themselves because they are useless, their only value is sitting in a chair having a coffee and the longer they are alone in an office the more they realise someone will get an y idea to fire their arse.

    • +1

      Doing that is exactly what employers want - it allows them to weed out the entitled hypochondriacs and easily give them the flick for a more reliable and productive replacement who will happily do more for less pay.

      • -1

        Who says they are entitled ?

        What is wrong with wanting something better for yourself or others ?

        Do you value your time ?

        WHy should anybody waste 10 - 20 hours commuting just to sit in an office when they could do the same at home, and not be paid for that time wasted ?

        • What is wrong with wanting something better for yourself or others ?

          Do you value your time ?

          You are literally stating why managers and owners of a business want to weed out the entitled hypochondriacs and give them the flick for more reliable and productive replacements.

          Better for the company, better for the leaders, better for an efficiently working team of employees.

          Why are you so entitled that you think YOUR time is more important than someone else's ?

  • -4

    Good on em'

    Get to work or get fired.

    Simple.

    People are too entitled these days, there will be plenty of people lining up for your job.

    • +1

      lol … funny … !!!

      • +1

        True though.

  • +2

    Change jobs. Let someone who wants the current job take it. Ppl who WFM should be paid a lower premium,anyway. Party's over

    • +7

      Jealous ey?

      • -2

        Nope. Lazy and entitled has never been my thing.
        That's for 'special' people.

    • +7

      Boomer take

    • Lol … Why people WFM take lower premium ? Any logic or you hate to see your cafe being empty or you can't micromanage your team anymore or something else ?

      • +1

        What is WFM?

        If you no longer commute,or participate in a formal workplace, none of the historical fiscal benefits factored into reaching the contract salary, should be removed. It's a contract. Stay home in comfort being 'ultra' productive because that's YOUR trade off, and be paid(less) accordingly. No hate involved. No cafe.Just reality of commercial exchange.
        Covid proved we are not a team anymore. WFH weeded out the leaners post covid. Employers have long memories.

        • lol … i just copied what you said in your original comment so you should tell me what is WFM ? .. lol 😂

        • +1

          lol …. well, in contract reality of commercial term workout differently…. if you work from home then employer saves on office space rent and electricity and coffe & tea & biscuits and lunches that they give out on meetings and also they save big time on time waste kitchen catch-ups, cleaning staff .. so basically WFH should ask from more salary on the real commercial term as employee will end up using their home, light, internet, toilet, kitchen, meeting rooms and provide high productivity so if you really talk about commercial term then it works exactly opposite to what you saying… !!!

          Covid actually proved we can work remotely as a team because everyone was available for meeting as they don't need to walk to meeting rooms or find meeting room to meet, majority project run on time and save money from discretionary spending…. the only one what want people in offices are people who make money when other suffer in 2 to 3 hours in germ infected trains or bus or trams everyday … !

          • +1

            @SydBoy: agh yes. The meeting room conundrum. Downfall of the whole western workplace model.
            Centre piece of WFH justification

            • Note to the military personnel designing the next raft of conscription. The current canon fodder will sign up to defend our wonderful home and lifestyle, but only if we can (a) fight from home FFH and (b) meet over Zoom.

            Take that China!

            • +1

              @Protractor: well, WFH works for certain profession only and there is no debate about it but it is to drag those who can work from home to office simply because someone so jealous that they can't do what IT worker or other office worker can do from home… !

              my employer has lot of staff on field and many other in office and they are not forcing anyone of the office worker to go back to office as they are saving few million dollar in rents only plus on lights plus on cleaners plus on front desk staff plus on food they serve to hundreds of people if they are in office…also our managers themselves see no value in forcing people to work when they can work from home same way because going to city takes 3 hr their life as well if they start asking everyone to travel to city…. !

              all these banks wanting people to go back because they wanted other businesses to do that as well and then only more people start buying over priced coffee , waste their hard earned money on friday night drinks or waste money almost everyday on lunches …. !! there is nothing about mental health as said by Bending CEO … ! I had plenty to say about that CEO performance as shareholder but i leave it to other thread.

              • @SydBoy: Let's just say all employers should should use whatever legal means possible to verify suitable performance. Especially keystroke tech, etc.

                I find it ironic WFH crew arguing an opinion on mental health is A1 at home,without any evidence bagging a boss, who was putting mental health up as a factor in support of the actual individuals. Now it's crucifixion time.
                I'd be glad for a boss to open up the debate to mental health, and I'd never let them forget that fwd step. But I'd be working with them to achieve it, not sitting at home dummy spitting about what suits me. In the end if it suits them to use other workers or other tech, because WFH chose that as non negotiable, that's a fair outcome. All round.

                I suspect a lot of WFH 'may' have an issue with personal issue back in the office. This period is the ideal time to fix that as a part of the return to work. Ergo if there's an AH who bullies,threatens or intimidates so WFH suddenly ened all that, then workers can now negotiate changing that culture BEFORE returning to work.

                'It suits me better" or "I like it" is not a justification IF it doesn't work for the person handing the cheques out. That's the real world. WFH came with no guarantee.In fact the govt (Scomo) drew a line under it.

                • @Protractor: lol … smart employer knows how to measure performance and those work above 100k mostly has KPI and they don't work on call centre with requirement to have xxx amount of keystrokes count…. !

                  I work for a company with more than $1b in revenue and more than 1000 people employed across australia with field and office staff … and don't want anyone to get back to office unless they prefer to as they are saving millons of dollar in rent as I said above so no smart employer other than those who are losing money by not having people in the office will ever force people to get back to office … as they know it is mutually beneficial to both employee and employers.. so basically your argument to say "what suits me" is wrong because it suits both business and employee except certain business like banks who lose big amount of money if trend continue as there will be disastrous pricing trend in office property market which will impact most banks and super annulation funds… !

                  You suspicion that people WFH has issue in office is absolutely wrong as they have issue more to travel to work for 2 hours a day in germ infected trains/bus/trams, they have issue with paying $15 per day just for travel, they have issue with not able to provide enough time to workout and family … so it's absolutely not whatever you think… lol 😂

                  "we lose money if people don't buy coffee" or "we don't get enough tax if more commercial real-estate make losses" or "i can't tell anything to my partner as he/she doesn't listen and i don't have anyone in office to micromanage" …. is not a justification if it doesn't work for the person whose skill make money for the business which is able to have bank account that issue cheques…. !!!! That's the real world and this Bendingo and other bank CEO (except CBA) pushing for working in the office had a poor track record in their own performance even though they are going to office …. so this push to go to office is nothing but pure corporate greed for the benefit of rich nothing else in my opinion… !

                  • @SydBoy: The size & scale of your operation doesn't stack up with smaller orgs,though, and frankly it's their money, their business. The whole 'coffee sales' impact is a generic example of the beginnings of flow on effects of ghost town CBDs. Those businesses are not the ones charging exorbitant rents.
                    Life choices how down stream consequences. The modern default for that is DILLIGAF. (On all fronts.) Including 'I wanna work from home!'.
                    The choir maybe loud, but the songs per voice are not uniform in message or motive

                    • @Protractor: well, as i explained above people don't just saying WFH is preference but they realised how much they been made fool by believing that team work require face to face meetings… !!! Companies including my own company (three different) did not allow anyone to work from home before covid by saying "you can't work form home", "team work require everyone in the office" , "performance will be impacted if you not in office", … And after covid they courier everyone their laptops and all office equipment and they made lot's of money as well … !

                      To your argument to say people's life choices has downstream impact really requires downstream business, government to think and evolve and innovate new way to operate and make money as well… !

                      innovation dies down when authoritarian view (whether business or government) start dictating how and what other should do… !

                      with EV service centre needs to innovate to allow electrical charging and move away from fossil fuel …. and that is what is needed instead of preaching and forcing people to go back to office even though they don't necessarily need to go… !

                      • @SydBoy: "To your argument to say people's life choices has downstream impact really requires downstream business, government to think and evolve and innovate new way to operate and make money as well… !"
                        Yes. While you have an ALP govt, use the power of union influence to reform your workplace.
                        Change the broken bits. Compromise. Negotiate a way to blend the 'preferences'. Because in the end $$$ will make the decisions if WFH advocates just wait for change by osmosis. Capitalism and profit will ALWAYS dictate the terms. That's why the the farm (planet) is so fkd

                        • @Protractor: well, money talks most times so no argument on that side … ! as far as labor / liberal goes then they both screw people with some dumb policies so nothing surprising there… !

                          • @SydBoy: Yep, but take note of Robodebt. That's the DNA of one side of Ozpoliti.

                            • @Protractor: agree, Robodebt and same time we can't forget bat scheme run by Kevin… !!!

                              I still remember days when property in some part of Sydney where I used to live had 2 bed unit for 250k to 270k but as soon as Kevin announced dumb property support scheme of i think 21k and 14k prices and as a result same property gone up to 310k 350k … lol …. 😂 … !!!

                              • @SydBoy: The delivery was shit. But think about the motive. Batts was 'supposed' to create jobs and make houses thermally efficient. Bureaucracy (profanity) that up. Robodebt was about labelling welfare recipients as bludging impediments. Ministers covered it up.
                                If we weigh up the deaths of either process the LNP were a Pariah.Hands down.
                                Oversight is the difference. Follow that trail (and the amount of lawyers in the LNP)
                                OMG Christian Porter. I'll let that sink in

          • @SydBoy: People forget that many of these businesses also took out longer term leases for the ongoing operations, so they dont save on office space, rent etc.

            And they still provide those things for the staff that are in the office so not much of a saving there either. So the saving big time argument is also moot.

            If it were a company short term leasing office space then different story, they would likely be supportive of ongoing WFH arrangements

            • @BillyStm: certainly most commercial leases are for multi year leases but importantly business don't need to forget free handout they got during covid and many had terminated their leases when completed. my employer had massive space in CBD and other part of the city and now they combined everything with a sizeable space in warehouse in western Sydney where people can go if they want to and also in CBD they have only limited space left and have no intention to signing up for new space as smart employer realised that paying through nose for the CBD office space is nothing but foolishness so unless your business can't operate without being CBD many corporates are moving out to West and South of Sydney with 1/3 rent just to allow those who want to go voluntarily.

              Look at the REIT who owns many office spaces in CBD across Australia and their WALE is reducing and so does their share prices.. and I believe hostplus even stopped their REIT fund if i am not wrong… !

              There are government agencies which were forced to keep business open in CBD and same with banks and financial institutes… but others are moving out of CBD to more affordable and mobile options… .. ! gone are the days when bosses living in northern or eastern Sydney who can travel to CBD in 20 minutes expect everyone else living on low wages to travel 3 hr per day from west or south of Sydney .. !!

              As, I said earlier if anyone want people to travel in smelly, germ infected trains, bus and trams for 2 - 3 hr every day then they need to offer substantial benefits to those who they expect to travel.. !! Neither Labor or Liberal has offered anything beneficial so far.

              Alternative agenda government playing at the moment is mass immigration to saturate employment market so people are forced to travel back or stay unemployed but there isn't much of brain used in such propaganda .. because migration is only helpful if it is done systematically and intake is sustainable with available jobs and properties.. !!

              • @SydBoy: Just because one business has done that option doesn't mean its the same for other businesses, you are correct that as that opportunity presents businesses can then reappraise their next option moving forward however when that has not yet come up for review they are still carrying the same overheads.

                As I've mentioned elsewhere there is no one size fits all solution as there are too many variables. Therefore it should be considered on a case by case basis with all factors taken into consideration however society now complains at that concept and says its unfair that they don't get the exact same even though their circumstances and capabilities differ.

                • @BillyStm: well, there is solution but it is the government and particularly big end of the town who owns most commercial office space in CBD keep discarding it … ! We had fixation about CBD working without realising we are no longer live in 1940 where people can travel to CBD within 30 minutes.. for $1 .. !

                  overtime everyone needs to evolve and adopt to new circumstances and businesses are the one keep complaining people don't go to office making them lose revenue (coffee shops, restaurants, retailers, office building owners) but on the same time they don't open office outside CBD where people can commute to work within 30minutes. sure not all business can simply switch long leases but company like mine with $1b turnover easily pay up and move on as savings are massive in rent alone. if you look at Bendingo CEO video talking BS on mental health issue due to not working n office is absolutely true if you have abusive partner but otherwise for work and family life point view and social & financial well being point of view working from home is best for those who can do it. The question of fairness comes only for those who were recruited on the basis that company will allow them to work from home and then changed it without giving any monetary benefits. in my own case i was asked for working in CBD and i asked for roughly 30% more and they paid so i will work in city for next job … but without that i would have walked away easily and i have done it in past.

                  we can't surely find all solution here but problem is those who can aren't even talking about it but instead keep pushing agenda on the name of mental health or economy … thinking we go back on time a start living how we used to 3 years ago even though a lot has changed in those 3 years from interest rates to inflation to benefit realisation … !

                  • @SydBoy: Who do you propose pays for this new land allotments and building of these satellite office areas, and then do you propose they only hire people within a 30 min radius. And what do you propose is then done with current CBD infrastructure. This isn't as straight forward as you'd believe.

                    I believe everyone knew the work from home was very much surrounding that period of time, if those recruited had that as their long term expectation they would have ensured it was written into their contracts prior to signing. If they failed to do that then this is as much on them, can't then complain but you expected it to be x when your contract didn't set it out specifically.

                    That's like playing the what if card in property or anything else, hindsight is just that. Sure discuss the options but don't expect it to be a gross change to what is an established work force model with associated infrastructure support in place.

                    • @BillyStm: well, idea of WFH isn't about buying satellite offices and renting it so people can go and work there at-all… it is about ability to work from home without forceful need to go to office so "OTHER" business survive at "YOUR EXPENSE" .. ! BIG corporates can always afford remote offices as there is massive price gap in rents between CBD and outer suburbs in Sydney. Obviously they don't rent out same size offices to what they had it before. I remember around Covid time Telstra vacated massive building space close to Hyde park in CBD and NSW government occupied that and then they start forcing staff to keep going to office … ! now, majority of directors live close to city so they can even bike ride within 30 minutes but for majority of staff under 100k lives 50km out of CBD can't afford to pay $15 per day to Sydney train plus spend 3 hr of their life travelling so slowly slowly many left and obviously new joined so this is how it is going to work for many employers. while this type of change is OK for government but private business lose money if they let go trained employee only for the sake of micromanager wanting staff to be at work in my opinion.

                      You talk about infrastructure and what exactly is that infrastructure that doesn't exist outside CBD or critical to operate business ? smart corporate work on cloud this days and NBN is everywhere including rundown warehouse we work from has superfast internet connectivity and staff are more happy to work where they can drive & park … ! happy staff produce mostly better performance .. !

                      I last visited CBD last month and foot traffic improved compared to what it used in 2022 but no where near to what it was in 2019 and thanks to that we can now park at train station … lol 😂

                      I agree contract is contract if someone failed to make sure it is written in black white in their work contract then it is their fault and that is why i don't trust car sales man or recruiter or real-estate agent.. unless they put it in writing and everyone should learn to ask HR to put it in contractor work from home requirement and number of days allowed per week so management can't arbitrary withdrawn it without paying for it … ! if HR doesn't want to write it down then it is first warning sign and one needs to decide if they really wanted to join this company.

      • Why people WFM take lower premium ?

        Go on r/jobs and you see people taking pay cuts to WFH all the time. I'm not saying it's fair, but if a company offers WFH compared to one that doesn't, I think most people will accept a lower salary up to a point.

        • people who accept less pay just because employer offering WFH are the one who compromise value of their skills because employer equally and most of the time saves much more by allowing people to work from home as i explained above so it should be opposite where employee should ask employer to pay more to work from home or go to office make employer pay higher inflated rents to the office and property market, make them pay for high electricity & data allowances, make them pay for lower productivity in office environment and make them pay for cleaning & front desk staff and make them pay for tea, coffee, lunches, travel allowances and cream biscuits … lol 😂

          • @SydBoy: Or when they were implicitly paid for the travel time pre-covid and now they're not. Also probably because they had to live near the city where property were more expensive. Like how some jobs pay more in the city than further out.

            • @helpme: no desk job pays for travel and travel allowance is limited to site jobs where you are required to travel various client sites or construction sites and in that case most people get ute or similar vehicles fully paid and part of their package and those employee can't work from home anyways… !

              you won't find employer pays for office worker going to one office everyday… and that is why even ATO doesn't allow anyone to claim work related travel if employee travelling between home to same office everyday… !

              you are mixing up .. !

        • also reddit thread you posed is for US workers i think … and work culture and importantly in us fair work is non existence for workers … lol 😂

  • +3

    Many IT departments in particular offer 2 days WFH per week since Covid.

    HR touting WFH as a benefit prior to working there and removing the benefit is like getting a pay cut. Everyone should voice their displeasure in writing over this change/if not taken seriously, consider looking for work elsewhere.

  • +7

    WFH is the future for many many jobs. Big companies like Uber, Google, Meta,and lots of smaller companies are even hiring internationally. Just find another job where the employer doesn't expect you to waste 3 hours a day on public transport just to feed their ego. And don't listen to these bootlicking anti-wfh losers! Your time on earth is not infinite. Don't waste 750 hours (120 days) of waking hours PER YEAR on public transport and instead enjoy being with you family while producing good work.

    • +2

      A couple of things fell off.

      Once upon a time……

      ….they all lived happily ever after

      • Go on, enjoy your servitude to the 5%.

      • Gold!!!!!!!!!!

      • It seems to really piss you off that there is a portion of the working population that can be productive employees whilst also working from home. Work is diverse! Some jobs by their nature require people to work alone for periods of time; analysts, accountants, coders, some IT workers. Also it makes financial sense for their companies to have smaller office foot prints, saving a fortune on rent.

        It is what it is!

    • While it is all great to WFH, what a lot of people don't seem to understand is that if they don't need you in the office then they have a much much wider pool of people they can employ and hence don't expect to stay on premium city rates or for that matter even Australian rates in many jobs.

      • -1

        It's been 3 years since the pandemic started. If CEOs believed they can maximise shareholder value by cutting salaries from people that WFH, hire from remote locations or hire from overseas, why haven't they done it already?

        • many have or are in the process of doing so.

          • @gromit: Then why have force people back to office policies? Cut the office supplies and upkeep, keep everyone remote and offshore the jobs gradually.

            • @star-ggg: It is simple reality. Many that are forcing back to office are the ones that will keep jobs here. those that are happy with remote workforce will gradually migrate to cheaper employment options. Why pay 20 or 30k extra for someone in Sydney or Canberra when you could hire them from Adelaide, Perth or Brisbane.

              • @gromit: If they are keeping jobs here, then why it does matter whether the worker is working from home or in the office? Yes, it is simple, if they want to keep the position in Australia then why does it matter where the worker is working from? If they don't care about keeping the worker in Australia then why waste shareholder money managing an office around the worker, just hire someone remotely from a cheaper country.

                • @star-ggg: It only matters when remote. If you are hiring people to work remotely, why would you pay more than you have to? it is simple market economics. I am seeing this happening quite extensively already, even Government departments are hiring contractors in other cities rather than paying ridiculous rates locally.

  • -2

    It's that much harder to reach out to an employee if they aren't present in the office. That reason alone is enough for me to want them back in the office.

    • +5

      MUCH harder? What are you sending letters through AUST Post? I've been wfh for the past two years and have never let a Teams' call go unanswered (except during lunch time).

      • +14

        What he means is that it's hard to micromanage someone remotely. You have to go into the office every day so you can sit at your desk, joining an endless stream of Teams meetings.

        • +1

          :-)))

        • +1

          If your manager can’t see you at your desk, do they even have an empire of minions to laud over?

    • On the other hand its never easy to get hold of your manager. Even when they are not busy I rarely see them answer out queries promptly. Has happened quite a bit in my last two jobs

      • -1

        That'll happen when their busy doing work.

    • lol … so you are that manager who love to micromanage and keep eye on who goes to kitchen, who goes to toilet and how long ? … lol 😂 as obviously you can't do that WFH…. ! I understand your frustration … lol 😂

  • +4

    Unemployment has gone up, I think if people aren’t willing to go back into the office they should just be fired.

    There are so many people with skills that are unemployed out there while these entitled brats occupy positions that should go to other more deserving workers

    Such a stupid fad… it was meant to be a short term COVID fix but has been taken to a whole new dumb level by lazy people

    • -1

      Migrants will just eat these jobs up for less .
      There's millions coming

      • There's millions coming

        Really?

        • +1

          Sorry, first round is over 3 years is 1.5M

        • -2

          Get a newspaper Kajke. You are embarrassing your self.

          • +3

            @loropy9: lol

            Lemme guess, you must buy The Daily Telegraph every day to track migrant figures, huh boomer? The graphs must assist.

            • +1

              @[Deactivated]: BOomers are very shortsighted, its their children and grandchildren who will share this country with the migrants.
              They just want to see their properties price goes up without understanding the long term impacts.

              • +1

                @RTX9090Ti: In my case it's about the number of humans, the sloth of adding more to feed capitalist bottom lines. The country of origins of most ppl coming here are bursting at the seams and ecologically sparse. This is happening here by way of too many humans already. People are too weak to call it like it is, and every summer ahead we will wear the apathy in spades.
                The air we breathe will be the same carcinogenic filth as the other sh*tholes sooner rather than later. Australia is the one of the last of the geese that laid the golden eggs.
                If xenophobes want to cash in on the discussion, well 'free speech'. What can I say?

              • -1

                @RTX9090Ti: We all have to share space on this earth with others & it's for such a short time too.

                I appreciate the complexities involved with the great migrant intake and it's interesting to read the opinions of others on here however I always sense the underlying discontent with life ….. sans the stuff that people twist themselves inside out over. If only we made this our focus.

              • @RTX9090Ti: LOL.

                Yes, boomers not thinking ahead. That's their problem

    • +2

      A short list of things that meant to be short term:

      Child Labor Laws
      Bike Lanes in Cities
      Public Smoking Bans
      Women in the Workforce
      Pedestrian Zones

      Yep, no shame in making some practices permanent.

    • +1

      When productivity didn’t drop what justifiable reason is there to make people come into the office?

    • Unlike having all your employees come to one "central" location in the city…

  • +1

    I'd quit but not immediately. I'd come in and just work slow/socialise with the team more until I found another job.

    At the moment I'm in a flexible environment where I come in when I feel like it. Sometimes 3 days a week sometimes not at all, depends what is going on in the office and how busy I am. E.g. tonight I'm working late to get something out, so I worked from home today in order to not waste time travelling.

    • would you do that if it were your business?

      • If it were my business, I'd be working from home full time (and get my employees to do the same) to save on overheads and use those "shared meeting room offices" you can hire when required and/or hold smaller meetings at coffee shops.

        If staff were slacking off, put them under performance management and then sack them if they still aren't meeting KPIs.

        However, this may not work for everyone - just works for my industry where I'm used to working remotely. I'm at a large international engineering consultancy and the people I work with on day-to-day projects are all over the place (none in my local office). So, I really only go in to socialise (which could be done by catching up at a cafe instead). Note that I had been operating like this long before covid. It just became more acceptable during covid/post-covid.

  • +8

    That fat lady from Bendigo bank, going on and on about Return To Office, preaching about mental health, innovation, and relationships? Let me give her a piece of my mind!
    Most of the innovation we've seen happened when we were all working from our homes, after covid in last few years.
    As for mental health? Mine's been better than ever, being able to spend quality time with family and partner, rather than enduring endless chatter from strangers on public transport. Regarding work colleagues if its really about better relationships we don't need to have fluff talk everyday, its not like we have time anyway, a catch-up once in a while is enough (in person or online)
    Honestly, seems like they're just trying to inflate the corporate real estate market for their mates or push some nonsensical agenda. It's ridiculous

    • +1

      When I was working remote in my last job I got along fine with my coworkers on Zoom even though they lived in another city. When people are managed well they can be creative and deliver good productivity with the right motivation.

      Worst part is currently they dont have any seats in our current office so half of the team sits in another office since its close to their home. So wheres the collboration here?

    • +1

      By what you just wrote, methinks the fat lady has nailed it.

      • Might have nailed you not me, I am not Bendigo over.

    • How badly Bendigo share price performing since that Bendigo CEO was appointed will tell you she is being BS for long time to shareholders as well… !

    • How can you balance that when family and partner are distractions at home? Someone's not being truthful.

      • +4

        I focus in my
        1) dedicated office workspace at home
        2) wearing my nc headphones
        3) surrounded by my 2, 4k monitors
        4) sitting in my ergonomic chair
        All bought with my own money bu the way, something employer could not provide 100 years, even though critical for productivity, focus.

  • +2

    It's a test. They are just trying to see who is desperate/willing to sacrifice the most because they are going to do a cull and try to survive with whoever is left. The people that are left are going to get worked to the bone.

    Get off this ship before you are thrown off it or die of exhaustion trying to stop it sinking.

    • -2

      Better to be able to repay the mortgage and provide for the kids than end up unemployed and spending all day on Reddit.

  • +2

    I actually find that I am more productive when I WFH, less banter with the work mates and barely have lunch breaks when i'm working from home for whatever reason. When i'm in the office I go on my hour lunch breaks and find myself doing less work, not sure why.

  • Let's be honest although there are exceptions, majority of people pushing for WFH are just bludgers

    • -1

      When I work from home I do less. Usually I'm smoking ribs and sending pics to my co-workers.

      • +1

        nice

  • -4

    Snowflake

Login or Join to leave a comment