If you found home intruder, is it legal to do this? Is there any good alternatives?
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Is It Legal to Throw Boiling Water to Protect Your Property
SoapyWooder on 27/10/2023 - 12:24
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Laughing in American.
And you should never…NEVER put a knife in the hand of the body of the invader ….
While this is a horrendous idea, Australia does have really bad self defence laws. You're better off laying down and taking it than doing harm to an intruder. It is very easy to get charged here if you defend yourself with "too much" force.
Short answer no. Unless it's completely self defence i.e you are directly under physical attack, not just possible threat of physical attack. Even if under direct physical attack it is merky, and should be proportional.
You do you, but welcome a short prison sentence if you do it otherwise, and trust me even a short prison sentence will be hell… Much worse than you think and certainly not worth it, likely they will eat you alive in there, depending on who you are of course.
I studied law at Monash University, and have visited prisons.
you would probably struggle to prove that that wasn't pre-meditated. Posting this thread has probably also screwed it up for you too.
Self defense is just that - it's defending yourself, not causing harm to other people.
Probably have to argue a pretty specific set of circumstances.
- You were boiling the water for personal use and not with the intention of using it as a weapon
- Intruder enters, you feel threatened, ask them to leave, they don't and you use the water in an act of self preservationIf you had your home set up like some medieval castle with buckets of boiling water/oil, you might get bent over come court time.
At what point do uninvited guests count as home intruders?
And guests that overstay their welcome?
I worry that if I start to boil the kettle they will just assume I’m about to make them another cuppa.
That's trespassing. You can forcibly remove them but cannot unalive them.
reasonable proportionality applies:
hand your intruder a pot of boiling water also
if you suspect regular home intrusions, suggest thermometer for ease of ensuring both pots are at equal temperature
Million dollar Aussie startup idea. Water gun that shoots boiling water.
Better to use your breville steam wand, but you have to wait till they get real close.
What's everyone's preferred temperature? 86c seems to be ideal for maximum deterrent, maximum pain but without completely melting an intruder's face off.
69 degrees. Nice.
Just make sure you don't leave it to cool for too long otherwise you might be giving the intruder a nice hot shower
I can't believe no one has thought of this. My good friend Kevin McCallister gave me a few "hot" tips for booby traps if you know burglars are on their way after his parents left him home alone and went on a family holiday without him.
*Disclaimer you could "land yourself in hot water" and/or get in trouble with the law for laying booby traps:
Nails sticking out of the ground
Marbles on the floor
Heating up door handles
Lining up a steam iron to hit the burglar's head upon entry
Covering stairs with ice so the burglar slips
Swinging paint cans from the top of stairs into burglars
Tying up a blowtorch to the door to be triggered when opened
…And so onFurther information below:
https://thenerdstash.com/the-10-most-painful-booby-traps-in-…
Have you considered boiling oil? Although EV Olive oil is expensive, at least you can scream from your battlements that it is good for the invader's health, and thus you mean them no harm!
Some authorities claim that oil would have been hot, rather than boiling, and that it would have had the added advantage of making the attackers’ footing more slippery. Oil was expensive, but the conventions of medieval warfare held that the inhabitants of (insert OP's suburb here) resisting attack could be put to the sword – so defenders’ financial priorities would change dramatically! The real reason that oil was used rarely, one suspects, is that few places possessed enough of it although I think you will find Colesworths will have enough for your needs.
Reports of boiling water and heated sand being poured on attackers are far more common in recent urban warfare. (Hot sand getting into your armour is, by all accounts, a nasty experience.)Why boil water when you can boil oil? I'd pour it from your second storey window for nostalgia's sake
For the moment, ignore legalities and focus on pragmatics.
Take a pot of COLD water (for safety's sake). Try to throw it on someone. You will invariably spill some on yourself and or miss the target.
Now consider trying to do so amongst the distraction of an intruder in your home.
I just don't think it's a good plan, regardless of legalities.Hot water travels faster than cold water, though /s
High powered floodlight rigged to be portable in the house would possibly be more effective than a gun. Floodlight = instant short term loss of sight, gun shot means possible miss or hyper adrenaline possibly armed criminal.
Everyone needs to bookmark this thread. There's some great tips here also useful for dealing with vegans and "just stop us whining" protestors when they block traffic.
Someone just recently shared with me that they keep really high lumen torches and use it as a non lethal deterrent. It doesn't stop an intruder but it slows them down.
Mmmm …. NO
What about spraying weed killer into their mouth? Is that legal too?
That's permitted under the Burke's Backyard Doctrine.
Most burglaries are crimes of opportunity. They see a vulnerability and exploit it. A simple loud yell and a broken plate or two, will usually scare away most perpertrators.
Problem is the kids raised on video games not mature enough to really understand there is no extra lives or re-boot in real life.
"Do you even boil, bro?"
boiling oil
I believe the reasonable self-defence principle in Australia came about when maybe a publican found a teenager had broken into the back window or something, and either he bashed him or tossed him out the second-floor window which killed the teenager.
In other words, if someone wants to steal your property, you're not allowed to kill them.
This is in stark contrast to 'stand your ground' laws in US Deep South where wypipo regularly shoot and kill black folks who e.g. just happen to pull into their driveway to do a u-turn.
I went and flipped open my trusty Where's Wally.
I'm sure there was one where they instructed on tipping boiling oil. So I'm sure boiling water is fine.But I believe in making peace. So boiling oil or water which ever you use, you can fry them some Korean Fried Chicken or have a loaded, pimped up bowl of Instant noodle
If it’s not a requirement of my home and contents insurance, I’m not doing shit.
I’m insured against theft. I don’t think I’m insured against a charge of GBH.
This is also why bio weapons and flamethrowers are no no in a modern warfare.
If the other person is dead and there were no witnesses who's to say the dead person didn't try to kill the survivor?