Help Finding Cheap nbn Provider That Doesn't Use The Optus Network

John Kimble on 30/11/2023 - 14:47
Last edited 30/11/2023 - 14:56 by 1 other user

Hi,

Hoping for some assistance. My 6 month promo with Tangerine NBN is up, looking to find a new NBN provider with a promotional discount. Preferably one that uses the Telstra network.

Don't want to spend more than $60 per month for NBN 25 if I can help it, $45 to $50 would be great.

This might be a dumb question, but is there an easy way to tell what infrastructure or wholesale network all NBN providers use? I want to avoid anything Optus related for obvious reasons…

The only way I can figure out is to search each provider one by one. The two I am currently tossing up between are 1) flip Connect because it is cheapest, but only last 6 months again. They say "Your NBN service is provided using the multiple backhaul providers including Optus, Vocus and AAPT networks"

2) More Telecom has 30% off with CBA rewards/Yello for 12 months, and they say "Vocus is our wholesale provider, therefore we use their nbn® infrastructure. To learn more about Vocus click here: www.vocus.com.au"

But I'm open to others if there are any recommendations.

When I Google "what providers use the Optus NBN network", it all seems to refer to the mobile network; is that the same thing or am I searching the wrong term?

Is Vocus better than Optus???

I have read the below threads, which have confused me further. :(

https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/697295
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/756912

This comment was semi helpful…
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/13378985/redir

TIA

Internet Broadband nbn

Comments

  • jugsy on 30/11/2023 - 14:50
    +9

    I think you have wires crossed on mobile vs NBN. The on-street network here is all NBN Co and the comment you've linked is regarding global network/routing. Go with one of the providers recommended in that comment and Optus are not involved whatsoever.

  • pc007 on 30/11/2023 - 15:05

    Been using More internet from 2+ years now and never had any kind of issue. I never had to call their customer care in last 2 years.

    • geekcohen on 30/11/2023 - 15:15

      For who? Optus, I mean Sloptus.

      • pc007 on 30/11/2023 - 15:53
        +2

        Vocus is there provider for NBN and Telstra for mobile networks.
        And, when optus was down, my internet was working, so quite sure that they don't use optus.

        • geekcohen on 30/11/2023 - 16:03
          +2

          Sorry, I didn't know "More Telecom" was an ISP. First I've heard of it.

  • Twix on 30/11/2023 - 15:10
    +5

    You are already using Vocus with Tangerine nbn. Tangerine is the sister company of More Telecom.

    nbn 25/10Mbps $44.95/Month for 6 Months (No Contract, $69.95/Month Ongoing) @ Leaptel.

    Check who uses what on PeeringDB.

  • sumyungguy on 30/11/2023 - 15:38
    +2

    What connection type do you have: FTTP, FTTN, FTTC, FTTB, HFC, FW, Satellite?

    • John Kimble on 30/11/2023 - 16:17
      +1

      HFC

      • sumyungguy on 30/11/2023 - 16:28
        +3

        Then you're on fixed-line nbn™ with a choice of some 100 retailers. It's possible to get a discount is via bundling with your energy provider or promo offer from a bank (e.g. CBA).

      • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 30/11/2023 - 20:36
        +1

        NBN probably "purchased" the HFC (Thanks Turnbull) connecting your place from Optus, so no matter who you go with the stench of Optus will not disappear until the HFC is replaced with fibre and left to rot. Sorry.

        • Twix on 30/11/2023 - 22:30
          +1

          nbn did purchase Optus HFC and later canned the idea of using it. Optus HFC was replaced by nbn FTTC and is being replaced by nbn FTTP. Most of the nbn HFC is ex-Telstra.

  • Dollar General on 30/11/2023 - 16:03

    I tap into my neighbours wifi & not sure who they use sorry

  • JimmyF on 30/11/2023 - 19:03

    Help Finding Cheap nbn Provider That Doesn't Use The Optus Network

    Does not compute….. That isn't how it works.

    • John Kimble on 30/11/2023 - 19:11
      +1

      Oh, maybe I'm showing my lack of understanding here then. I thought people that had NBN via Optus infrastructure were impacted by their total outage a few weeks ago. So I'm completely off the mark then? 😭😂

      • sumyungguy on 30/11/2023 - 19:15

        It's interesting to review what happened in Canada witth the Rogers outage in 2022

      • TheRealCher on 30/11/2023 - 19:30
        +1

        That was mobile….and lots of businesses use devices that connect to the mobile network (not sure why for fixed places….could just be the tech)
        Optus also …well Singtel own the cables somewhere out in the ocean. They can rout things through there….sometimes.
        You might be thinking of tpg who were trying to build their own cable network…there was talk of a merger or takeover maybe at one stage.
        Optus do offer wireless broadband but that's different to yr nbn

        • John Kimble on 30/11/2023 - 19:42

          I guess I'm thinking along the old ADSL days then, assuming it was similar?

          • TheRealCher on 02/12/2023 - 03:28
            +1

            @John Kimble: I'm thinking back and I'm almost certain that they didn't control the lines into houses - otherwise you would've needed to be there every time you switched providers. I have a feeling they used the old fibre Cooper network which was installed by telecom, then opened up to competition with privatisation into Telstra.
            Optus inverted heavily into the mobile network which is how they became number 2 especially after the big vodafails of the early 2010s

            • John Kimble on 02/12/2023 - 09:42

              @TheRealCher: I don't think am not explaining myself very well, maybe because I don't understand NBN completely/correctly and/or what caused the Optus outage?

              When I say infrastructure, I think I meant POI? (The Point of Interconnect) and everything upstream that could be Optus related/owned? Which I assumed was the equivalent to old ADSL exchanges?

              I'm not referring to copper lines or that sort of thing downstream.

      • JimmyF on 30/11/2023 - 19:42
        +1

        I thought people that had NBN via Optus infrastructure

        They had been Optus customers. The NBN isn't owned/ran by Optus in any way.

      • StingyBritches on 30/11/2023 - 19:53

        I was a lucky(?) recipient of Floptus' outage - it affected mobile networks. My NBN (also paid to Floptus) didn't miss a beat all day.

    • AusNugz on 30/11/2023 - 19:20
      +2

      It’s not totally incorrect - Optus could be used an international transit provider or I believe Spintel even just plain resells Optus NBN.

  • GordonD on 30/11/2023 - 19:44
    +1

    The OP is right, and everyone who told him "it doesn't work that way" is wrong.

    NBN only handles the connection from your house to the Point of Interconnect (POI). After that it is over to your Internet Service Provider (ISP). If your ISP's mobile phone network has user validation or routing problems, their NBN customers may have the same problem. And in the case of the recent Optus outage, they did.

    • John Kimble on 30/11/2023 - 19:47
      +2

      Thanks!

      All I know is I have my phone via Optus Mobile, home HFC NBN broadband via Tangerine. I just don't want to have both go down if Optus goes down.

      • sumyungguy on 30/11/2023 - 19:56
        +3

        Affluent & important people apparently maintain a second SIM with an alternative telco as a contingency. The rest of us just have to tough it out.

        • Daabido on 30/11/2023 - 21:14
          +1

          So you mean, like Telstra executives v Optus executives?

    • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 30/11/2023 - 20:39
      -2

      That's amazing to read. So what about the many ISP's who provide (cough resell) NBN that don't have mobile phone networks?

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