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Have been keeping an eye out for a sale on this machine for a while
Arguably the simplest all in one machine in the Breville range, which is what I need first thing in the morning
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Breville The Oracle Espresso Machine (Black Sesame) BES980BKS $1538.19 + Delivery ($0 C&C/in-Store) @ JB Hi-Fi
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And 2 free bags (250g) of coffee for free.
Claimed this when I bought the Breville Express a few weeks back. Got sent 2 x St Ali bags. Was pretty happy with that :)
Sorry. Can’t find the coffee deal. Care to share? Thanks
Pushing that $250 valuation me thinks.
Gift pack contains 1 Breville Bean Keeper Coffee Canister, 1 Breville Knock Box Mini, 2 Breville Dual Wall Latte Glasses (200ml) & Live Roaster Online Demonstration.I'd probably be happy paying $40 for that lot. 🤣😂
Glasses are ok, canister is good but doesn't fit 1kg bag of beans (even if you fill the hopper, there's still ~100g left) .. & the knock box is too small.
Yeah. I mean to value it at almost half the price of some popular full Breville machines. I realise that's how bonus things work. I can't see anybody being thrilled with all items. Live Roaster online demo seems bit iffy. Glorified YouTube video.
Knock box is fine. Holds about 6 pucks. I've smashed mine for 3 years now and still sturdy as. Anything bigger just takes up bench space.
Seems common to breviile grinders. They're stuck using freedom units instead of kgs lol
Breville Bean Keeper $69.95
Breville Knock Box $49.95
Breville Dual Wall Glasses $29.95$149.85 total. So their ‘live demonstration’ is worth $100.15 apparently.
Gift packs is Breville's side business. My last gift pack of a smaller value was replaced with 2 kgs of coffee by them, not to mention the value of the gift pack is highjacked.
Code also works for the touch Impress ~$1539
which one though?
fast boil or dual boil?
or splash out and get touch?Touch impress if you don’t like mess and use alternative milks.
Dual boiler is almost always better, as it doesn’t need to change temperature between the group head and the steam wand.
Probably depends on your use case - For my use I don't think I need a dual boiler - not sure why anyone would.
Touch Impress makes me 2x double shot capps/latte every morning, consistant, no issues, on fuss, no mess no waiting.
No noticalbe start up time - grind - tamp - pour - froth - clean - repeat - off … 2 mugs in under 4 mins.
Tank is at the rear - so make sure you've got some space on the side and above to get it out.
Tamp lever is on the left - make sure you've got some room.
Milk froth is good - I only use dairy - I can't do any milk art so I just sprinkle some chocolate on it.
My oracle now onto its 6th year of duty. Has been serviced twice, once under warranty, and another just outside. This is a great price imo.
Still up there with one of the best investments I’ve made for my relationship to date. Just make sure you use fresh beans people.
Thanks for sharing!
How much was the service I wonder?I have a Breville authorized repair place just around the corner from my house (thank God). I snapped my steam wand recently cleaning it too rigorously. A replacement wand and a service which found a few minor problems and were fixed was under $300.
I use my machine for minimum 3 coffees a day and have had the machine over three years. So I think that was pretty worthwhile and reasonable.
snapped my steam wand recently cleaning it too rigorously
This is a family website thank you
@Niko123456: You need to appreciate the fact that he was able to get it fixed under 300 which also fixed few minor other problems that he didnt even know were there.
I serviced at a local shop (not Breville) in Melbourne, it was about $150 for service and all gaskets and seals.
Where did you get it serviced?
Is this a dual boiler?
yes
Got one during Covid, absolutely love it. Hasn't skipped a beat <3 <3
Reckon they will push the extended warranty on you with this?
Whats the expected life on one of these?
I got gifted one a year ago that I'm pretty sure is 8 years old. With the exception of some O rings I had to replace on leaky boilers, it's still going strong!
that actually a good price i paid like 1750 on sale last year.
How's this one better than Jura E6 for $999? https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/jura-e6-automatic-coffee-…
Automatic vs. semi-manual
Can’t really compare!oh gosh really? Those auto machines are absolute trash.
different, oracle allows you to be fully manual as well as semi auto.
meaning you don't just press a button and its done. You need to still do prep and work just not as much it does save you some time but you still need to weigh your output. and adjust like any other manual machine, its just not as much.
Jura, Delonghi, Philips (basically all autos) use a small pressurised puck. So they are all pressurised basket coffee.
The puck itself is coffee that simply falls in (so even distribution is a random event).
So a great coffee becomes a bit of a random event.
I think Jura are probably the best auto of this type as they push the water against gravity which slows the extraction.
The Breville has a distributor built in and you can use single wall baskets. The milk is also properly steamed / textured, whereas auto as simply suck milk up via the Venturi effect getting a very short exposure to heat and feeling cold.pressure (the more the better):
Breville - 9 Bar
Jura - 15 Barsimply falls in: - isn't it as random as sand in the sand watch, which are precise enough to measure seconds?
single wall baskets - by default in Jura.
feeling cold - I have 3 Jura milk frothers. None of them make froth feeling cold. The resulting product isn't the same though.So far, you are the only one who can explain why Breville is better than Jura, but with I don't see how exactly, after my comments.
More pressure not better.
They have exactly the same pump (15 bar - as do 99.9% of machines - ulka pump).
They use pressure release valves and they all aim for 9 bar (scientifically the optimum for coffee flavours).
My Breville outputs at 11 bar (brings channelling) and is a pain (I need to open it up and back it off to 9 bar).
As for distribution. Coffee isnt sand. It's grinded and picks up a charge and likes to clump. Auto's definitely are random. On the Delonghi coffee falls onto a flat disk. Jura put a raised ridge across the middle so some fall to the outside… but then creates a channel across the middle when compressed.The biggest point of difference is the deep pressurised basket. If you want even exposure to water you want a large flat puck that is just deep enough to create back pressure.
Turns out 58mm is that magic number. I don't know why auto's use a 42mm puck, or why cheaper Brevilles are 54mm, Delonghi 51mm etc. If the full autos simply had a 58mm basket, spun it through a distributor and tamped it, then they would be great.. and strangely the only one that does that is the Oracle.
P.S. I use a Jura machine during the week. Push a button, get coffee. It's pretty good. Weekends I use a manual Breville machine. It's as good as coffee can be.
@tunzafun001: They have exactly the same pump - are you saying that Breville has fake specs? They say 9 Bar.
some fall to the outside - if the time of the falling beans to be cut is the same, what makes it random?
why auto's use a 42mm puck - because it doesn't matter. To get the same affect with smaller square just use smaller size of the portion, but 2 portions instead of one.
@Ozzster: They have exactly the same pump - are you saying that Breville has fake specs? They say 9 Bar.
- Quality control. They all aim for 9 bar. Very few hit exactly 9 bar. You want an exactly 9 bar machine…you will pay around $2500.
some fall to the outside - if the time of the falling beans to be cut is the same, what makes it random?
- Plenty of variables - oil inside each bean, roast exposure of each bean. Time the bean falls in (last bean is the hottest from friction), humidity of the day and static charge build up….etc etc… Coffee snobs love zillion types of distributors for a reason.
why auto's use a 42mm puck - because it doesn't matter. To get the same affect with smaller square just use smaller size of the portion, but 2 portions instead of one.
- Nup - it's a surface area thing. 58mm face has a far larger surface area/ direct water exposure. The middle of a 42mm puck (which is deeper to offset the smaller diameter), may not get touched by water at all.
@tunzafun001: They all aim for 9 bar. - not exactly. In my experiments with the amount and size of the final powder grains I had situations when the pressure was not enough to spill through. It's rare, but possible. And it can explain why the puck of smaller size needs higher pressure.
Coffee snobs love zillion types of distributors for a reason - souns like a placebo rather than evidence-based :) As well as humidity inside a closed box and other metrics.
may not get touched by water at all - true, but unlikely. At the end of the day, if you make a small shot of ristretto, obviosly even after the touch of water there will be more to extract and it will not go to the cup. And more will remain untouched. My idea is the same, the surface area, the less will be thikness of the same amount of grains. Having the same amount of water and evenly spread holes it will be equally watered. Practice check - open the bin and see if the wate pill is equally wet.
Great machine, a fantastic coffee.
Look I really hated this machine, but forewarning I am a bit of a coffee snob.
I owned it for a total of 18 months and I couldn't wait till I sold it and went back to manual.
This machine is marketed as a semi manual version of the dual boiler.
Straight out of the bar I would recommend a dual boiler plus separate grinder for the same or better price if you can accommodate bench space.
If space limited I guess this is ok.
Cons
- The built in grinder and tamper is just crap. You don't get those nice creamy shots like you do with a dedicated grinder.
- The frothing wand really only works for full cream milk when done in auto, in manual it's much harder to get good creamy milk in comparison to traditional wandThe pros
- It is a Breville dual boiler made in one small package.
- The machine is beginner friendly. My wife was using the Oracle where she is more reluctant to use my current set up.
This.
Oracle Touch at work, BES920 + SGP at home. I can get good (not great) coffees at work, issues being inconsistent grind/tamp, and milk texturing is a crapshoot.
At home, the pressure gauge consistently hits 9, and any milk texturing issues are in the mirror, not the machine. Great coffee most the time.
OTOH - Oracle WAF is high
Regarding milk texture
I clean the froth head regularly. You’ll be surprised how much milk solids build up in there and in the orange plastic thing underneath. Use the pin included to really get in there. I also bought wand cleaner to assist further.
You’ll find your frothing experience will be a heap better
Any links for a wand cleaner?
Yep and the fact that alternative milks such as soy and oak will at least be able to have good texture.
Ironically the WAF for my current setup really positive then one year later she tells me that my machine looks like a coffin, now I can't unsee it… She was just happy that I was getting a machine I would enjoy…
It's a Giotto style la pavoini Botticelli specialty. :(This is the biggest issue with the machine. The auto grinder and tamper is just not consistent shot-to-shot.
At the $1500 mark, you're in the realm of a second-hand Italian machine and stepping up the coffee game to something decent.
Yep can easily find something like expobar minore IV a couple of years old for that price. Heck id still spend the extra 1k and buy that brand new. The eureka specialista or the time more single dose and you have something that beats cafes very easily
Been running the oracle and a eureka now for more than a year. It’s become an expensive shot puller as it could have been the BDB but I do like the auto milk. Waiting on my meticulous though and will sell this when it comes
Have a look at this comparison (Breville Dual Boiler vs Oracle) which confirms the first cons point
its not crap, the grinder you just have to know how to use it, you need to always keep the toper full never let it drop, to get any kind of constancy out of it. the mistake people make is they measure out the beans and grind, its not designed for that. The auto tamper can be manipulated to have a lower grammage too.
Once you know how the grinder and the tamper functions it works well with consistency with only micro adjustments every few days. But yes I was frustrated in the begining but then I learned how to use it properly and got good results. It will never be as good as single does grinder, but it is able to give you a good shot when dialed in properly..
The problem is the beans get stale that way so you still end up with inferior coffee..
It's really not great, it's just easy and convenient. Would produce coffee slightly better than something like a jura, but no comparison to a full manual process. My mate has the oracle and had to buy a separate grinder to make decent shots.
Now he is looking at selling the oracle and buying a lever press machine.
For people who love their coffee would probably never be fully satisfied with this machine.. I do think it's fair to give appropriate warning before people spend just under $1600 on a machine.
If someone is ok with only decent coffee this will be fine, but if you want the best coffee you can make, this is not the way to goyeah don't put your light roasts or specialty coffee in these things it will bugger that up badly. a good medium or dark will be fine but don't go nuts on it, with this machine you won't get any improvement.
But yes its really for convenience in the morning when you just want a nice testing coffee that is quickly done. But if you want an amazing perfect shot of coffee don't use this machine for that. You need a full manual setup for that to get the shot just right.Haha exactly the same route as me. Use a seperate grinder and moving to the meticulous when it arrives
@EnergicAU: I just looked at the meticulous.. very nice project. Shame about the lawsuit. Also I thought original milk wand looked better than the new one.
It's missing a hot water spout, probably because it doesn't actually house any water.. but makes it a difficult workflow machine for long blacks. You would also need to boil a kettle of water.
Can confirm these comments, especially regarding the milk. I have an identical experience - can only get decent textured milk if it's full cream and on auto.
I also have never been able to get the grind right.
So is this something that is used to make our coffeesnin cafes?
Bought one during covid. Saved us a lot of money having a cafe in my street. Very easy to use and quick.
Had a couple of issues, one under warranty and one out. Repairs cost factored in, still been a good financial purchase. Buy decent beans, adjust the grind settings for those beans, and you can get a pretty decent coffee.
I've had mine for over 6 years now and yep definitely a relationship improving purchase. Probably needs a little service now for the pump and a few seals but it's gone strong other than that .. Good Beans are a must (Aldi … yep Aldi Brazil for us) .. WAF, as someone else mentioned, is high.
Also OP - that seems a very good price. Would I prefer a Rocket or something similarly shiny .. sure ..
Coffee snob here, if you want the breville knock yourself out - if you want to really enjoy making coffees get something from italy, whether new for more $$$ or go 2nd hand. Something like a rocket. The breville is ok but something like the rocket you'll just absolutely love using each time.
So, the difference between owning a Tesla and an Alfa Romeo….
I think Hoffman summed it up well. Buying an Italian machine is more about starting a new hobby than making a coffee. A machine like this is a good option for someone that's looking for a hassle free experience, not wanting to delve into a new hobby.
Thanks - Ended up with the Touch impress with the code, been tempted for ages - today is the day.
IMO A Breville Dual Boiler ($900 on sale) and a $630 grinder like DF64 or Specialita is a better buy, if you can handle it being 1 smidge less automatic than the Oracle.
Ive owned one of these for about a year.
Makes a crap coffee first up when its cold, until the machine has done at least 1 cycle. I've started pulling a shot of water only (no grinds) in the basket to warm it up, after this its fine. This is a real pain in the ass when you're trying to get the dose/tamp right for your beans, and everything seems good, then you come back the next morning and only get like 10ml in the shot.
Out the box it over-doses (too much coffee), so you need to mechanically adjust the dose by pulling the tamper out and adjusting a small nut a couple of turns so less coffee is dosed. Use the single-walled double shot basket. You have to use scales to get your dose right. Plenty of youtube videos on how to do this.
I also find the float in the spill-tray to get stuck regularly, so dont rely on it to tell you when its full!
The included extras are ok, bean storage is ok, mini-knock box is small and you can get some splash/grinds spilled when knocking, but my wife prefers this over the bigger ones.
Decent enough machine overall. Would buy again.
Cheers,
I couldn’t get the grinder and tamp to be consistent enough for me so I ended up getting a seperate grinder and don’t use the inbuilt anymore. But I’m a bit of a perfectionist in terms of in and out weight..
I hear you! I had to retire my manual machine and seperate grinder as it was 'too messy'…… i'll leave it there :)
How do you weigh the coffee? I don't know anything about coffee but am in the same boat with a bes878 re. grinder and tamp, I bought some horrific cheap scales off of amazon and they are incredibly inconsistent it appears so am in the market for a seperate grinder and scales. I've seen the grinder you mention does manual or timed, so not sure how you keep consistency there without weighing.
Like is it worth getting a grinder with the scales inbuilt? I was looking at this but then thought in the future I might like to try different things such as pour over, so perhaps seperate scales would be better.
Get yourself a timemore or acaia scale and I weigh each dose and don’t put a whole lot of coffee into the hopper (I don’t use the timed grind)
How is this compared to Jura E6 new model, anyone here tried Jura E6 and comment on that?
It's also on sale on JB
https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/jura-e6-automatic-coffee-…
They are a totally different construct. Jura is auto. This breville is a kind of hybrid. Not comparing apples with apples.
Can the resulting coffee be compared?
I mean, yeah, the Breville is going to make better coffee.
The main point of the Jura is you just press a button.
Is anyone else getting an invalid code message? I can’t seem to get it to show the $1538 price
I just ordered - worked for me
Any 10% discount gc for jb at the moment?
So I just bought this deal.
But now thinking I might like something more manual with separate grinder.
What combo would people suggest for 2k-2.5k? Italian. I had the bezzera mitica once. But I really am not clued up on newer machines. Tia.
I actually have this and paired with a eureka Mignon means you get the best of both haha
I am upgrading to the meticulous and keeping my eureka though
Otherwise people are happy with their lelits
WTF is WAF?
WAF = Wife Acceptance Factor
Dont judge, im just the messenger!
Ahhh thank you. Indeed. Very important factor WAF…
Had this machine for 3 years. Loves fresh beans, but still goes well with ALDI, as long as you freeze the leftovers from the bag. (Aldi batch number has the roast date)
Needs some adjusting, ie Tamper Pressure, Shot Timer, and a Grind Setting. There are few YouTube videos on how to.
My Grind setting is 13, Shot Time of 28sec, and Tamp Pressure of 6.
Gets me a near-perfect shot.
Also, best to run a hot water shot 1st, to get the head hot.
You can also get the dual boiler for a low $809.19 if you manage to find stock!
Post this deal. Much better value
Try online price-matching at good guys. I added 5 yr gold-service for further discount. Came out to less than $850. This is during Black Friday sales.
It seeems to be out of stock in most of Sydney. I had one on back order for over 3 weeks now
still worth the call and see if they can drop your price on your back ordered unit :)
Bought this one last year for about $1700 on special, and it was worth every dollar. I'm sure there's better models out there for the coffee snobs, but for me personally (love coffee, can distinguish between a good and bad cuppa, will drink the latter anyway) it's excellent. It's not fully manual, but there's enough options to tweak to get a brew that you like.
The only real downside is that the grinder only works with the portafilter, so you can't grind beans separately for a filter coffee or other device. If I'd known that before buying it I would have kept my old Breville Smart Grinder, which was fantastic. Otherwise, excellent to have around the home!
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