Was looking for a 2TB NVME and found this one.
Looks like it has DRAM cache and good performance.
Massive heatsink so may be a problem for some mainboards.
GIGABYTE AORUS GEN4 7000S Premium 2TB NVMe M.2 PCIE4 SSD GP-AG70S2TB-P-A $177 + Shipping @ Skycomp
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BlackCaviar2016 on 07/02/2024 - 15:22 skycomp.com.au (2035 clicks)
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That's such a mean looking heatsink
i might buy it just for that Heatsink :))
Phison E18 + Micron TLC + DRAM, basically Gigabyte's version of the FireCuda 520
For $193 shipped with the overkill heat sink, a borderline deal
FireCuda 520 has Phison E16 and likely Kioxia NAND.
Nice pickup, meant FireCuda 530
No FireCuda 530 is 176 layer Micron, this seems to be 96. Or at least early variants were.
@Nil Einne: Is there a list somewhere? The shonky variations of nvme drives is pretty hard to track.
@prodrome: The SSD spreadsheet is my favourite. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcr…
I've also heard good things about the Tech PowerUp's database IIRC including from the maintainer of the spreadsheet although since it only came out after I stopped looking I'm less familiar with it https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/ It's possibly less comprehensive for older devices since I can't see this on it.
… this seems to be 96. Or at least early variants were.
Read what you posted again
Then check the TPU DB that you linked
Drive was released 3 years ago with Micron 96L TLC, then upgraded to 176L TLC
The latest version with B47R 176L NAND - equivalent to a FireCuda 530 - is what any normal person would expect to receive from this deal
Not a 3 year old drive with older 96L NAND
@Look Up: Sorry for my mistake.
Although as my comment sort of suggested, I don't use TPU (which didn't exist in mid 2022 when I mostly stopped looking) but the SSD spreadsheet which doesn't note this. And I didn't find this even when I did look at TPU (when responding to prodrome) since they don't call it Gigabyte which is what I searched for.
I'd note that I can't see anywhere on TPU where it says when the change was made. They give the same date for both of them. Earliest report I found was Tweaktown in August 2022 https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10157/gigabyte-aorus-7000s… If it was about then, I'd expect now in early 2024 probably most or all of their 7000s sold have 176L, but I wouldn't count on it definitely being the case. That's the problem with silent upgrades and downgrades. But at least in a country with decent consumer protection laws like Australia (and NZ) you might arguably have a legitimate case if you receive a silent downgrade. Not much you can do when you expect to receive a silent upgrade, but don't.
And so, I don't think Gigabyte, or any vendors can complain when people expect to receive what was in the initial release and reviews, be their newer version better or worse. It's not like Gigabyte seems unwilling to release different models since they also have the 7300 which seems to also be E18 + Micron 176L although with a different heatsink. If they want to stop this confusion they need to stop pulling that shit. They could at least to the 7000s Plus or Pro or v2 or rev 2 or something that others do (and they do with their mobos).
And yeah I say the same to the Samsung 970 EVO Plus, although at least Samsung don't release so many models.
Yeah there's no Seagate equivalent of this AFAIK. The FireCuda has the Phison E18 but also 176 layer Micron. This seems to have the older 96 layer. I think the original Corsair MP600 Pro was the same and also the PNY CS3140, Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus, TeamGroup Cardea A440 and a bunch of others as it as a somewhat popular combo for all the E18 who bought their NAND too early. But the 176 layer variants were the more popular given their performance until Samsung etc caught up. Most of these ended up releasing 176 layer variants later, but generally under different model numbers. AFAICT, this applies to Gigabyte too. it's possible that Gigabyte also started using 176 for this but I wouldn't count on it. There's probably still enough 96 in production or at least was they I suspect they just stuck with it.
Yeah there's no Seagate equivalent of this AFAIK.
Incorrect - read above
lmao, that heatsink is hugeeeeee.
you don't need a heatsink that big for those speeds.
Yeah, only needed if it was red.
With this price, the Lexar MN790 with heatsink is a better deal imo considering it's also faster and similar priced.
https://www.bpctech.com.au/product/lnm790x002t-rn9ng-lexar-n…I was kicking myself for not getting the 4TB version of that at $288 few weeks ago. The Lexar does not have DRAM cache I believe.
Not even close
As a cheap PS5 expansion drive the NM790 is OK
But $100/TB for a Maxio controller + YMTC NAND + no DRAM to use in a PC for storing valuable data, no chance
If your usage made you think NM790 is better, then you really only have low queue depth usage and mostly sequential.
NM790 does struggle in high queue depth random writes and its latency in random writes isn't subpar for gen4 SSDs. However, for most people, due to the impressive CrystalDiskMark results and the tendency to use it with larger data, the higher latency on multiple files is masked.
Furthermore, in setup that doesn't support HMB, NM790's write could drop a fair amount. So, NM790 isn't an SSD that's great in every situation. The new / current price doesn't make sense. It's good enough to trick most people I guess. Most people only look at the MB/s part of CrystalDiskMark, so that mostly looks at bandwidth.
That seems like a bit of overkill on the cooling for a Gen4 drive. Looks mean, though.
why though
a NVME doesn't get that hot that it needs this kind of cooling lol..
I guess the same reason some cars have spoilers even though they'll never see a racetrack.
Need that sick downforce taking corners at < 60kph lol
Especially on a FWD
For your everyday user, you're correct. They can easily hit >70° if put under consistant load
Yes but that's without any heatsink. You just need a small heatsink and your temperatures should never hit thermal management. A bit of airflow helps too but in most cases a small heatsink should be more than good enough. I haven't been paying much attention but I believe some of the earlier PCIe 5 SSDs were very hot, perhaps they would need this heatsink although even for them I wonder.
Tell that to my 990 Pro's (heatsink inc. version)!
@sparky42: Well the 990 Pro was also after I stopped looking at SSD so I don't know about that one either. But I've never read anyone suggesting that the E18+Micron 96L needed anything like this.
Also if your 990 Pro is getting so hot with a heatsink, I'd suggest working out how you can get a little airflow will likely be more productive than this massive heatsink. Note also a key point is whether it's hitting thermal management. If it's not, then even if it's occasionally hitting 70 degrees C sometimes Samsung have decided it's not something of concern, so there's no reason for the consumer to be either.
Excellent value, you get an NVME SSD + CPU cooler on top!
If it physically fits will this work in a MSI Mortar Max B450 chipset I think?
It fits and works, but it is kinda overkill. B450 is restricted to PCIe gen 3 x4 for the m.2 / NVMe slot that's wired to CPU. For the m.2 / NVMe slot that's wired to the chipset, B450 means it is PCI gen 2 x4. Max merely means a larger BIOS size. Deep down, it is still B450.
Technically, most B450 boards are capable of PCIe gen 4 x4 (if CPU supports it). However, when some motherboard makers exploited that hack when Ryzen 3xxx series CPUs first came out, AMD quickly shuts it down via AGESA updates (so AMD did a no can do to force people to go X570 or B550). MSI played by AMD's rulebook so it never tried to exploit that loophole with initial AGESA version.
I think b450 can do pcie gen3 max. Real world difference to gen4 doesn’t sound like much outside of benchmarks or editing workstation use.
I already explained everything. Sure, if all you care about is coming up with excuses to buy it, you can make up any excuse. PCIe gen 4 x4 SSDs are really overkill for most people, but using the fact that most people heavily under-utilised them so it is fine to buy it and only use it for gen3 is not really true OZB.
I pointed out that B450 board has 2 m.2 slot, only one is PCIe gen 3 x4, the other one is PCIe gen 2 x4. That means that if you were to do an SSD to SSD copy with that PC, you are looking at at best PCIe gen 2 x4. So is it really wise to throw in a PCIe gen 4 x4 SSD onto that board, knowing in "real world" SSD to SSD copying, you only really get PCIe gen 2 x4 transfer between them.
If he already has a NVMe SSD, then that NVMe SSD (assuming it is PCIe gen 3 x4 rated) has to be moved to the chipset m.2 slot, which mean that gets to run in PCIe gen 2 x4 mode. B450 Max is about cost effective setup. B450 chipset runs in PCIe gen 2 mode, B450 can get 1 SSD to run in PCIe gen 3 x4 because that gets wired to the CPU. However, AMD is nasty and purposely blocked PCIe gen 4 x4 support through micro-code (AGESA) for B450. Though B550 chipset is PCIe gen 3 x4 so I guess B550 does offer other benefits.
It might run slightly slower but it's not like there's many other SSDs to choose from, everything has gone up in price. You could save $20 going with the DRAMless/heatsinkless SN570.
For B450, I reckon SN570 2TB is good enough. SN570 2TB has a really large dynamic SLC cache and its SLC recovery is quite impressive.
This Gigabyte SSD basically has a good controller chipset, but likely has dated NAND flash. If B450's second m.2 slot is PCIe gen 3 x4, we probably can close a blind eye, but its secondary m.2 is PCIe gen 2 x4 only.
If I am really after a Phison E18 SSD, I would pick one with a better NAND. To get a Phison E18 SSD with most likely 96L TLC NAND, the price must be really good.
That's the most overkill heatsink I've every laid my eyes on. Actually spent a few seconds trying to process what the hell it's supposed to be when I first saw this post.
liquid cooling heatsink?
Btw, the “future” sucks. Can we go back?
Edit: ninja’d
And then I go and spoil it all by saying somethin' stupid like TBW~
:3
Man that heatsink looks sick as hell but seems overkill for a pcie 4.0 drive
With the size of these heatsinks it may very well damage your mainboard if you're not careful.
AIO cooler for a nvme?
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