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Verbatim Vi7000G 4TB PCIe Gen 4 NVMe M.2 2280 SSD $290.66 Delivered @ Amazon JP via AU

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Last of the cheap PS5 expansion drives
Unlike the Lexar NM790, this uses the InnoGrit IG5236 controller and comes with DRAM
Edit: it has been reported that Verbatim have done a stealth update to the drive so newer versions now use a Maxio/YMTC 232L/no DRAM configuration
Includes pre-installed heatsink

49369

Controller: InnoGrit IG5236 (V1) or Maxio MAP1602 (V2)
Memory: YMTC 128L TLC (V1) or YMTC 232L TLC (V2)
DRAM Cache: 2GB DDR4 (V1) or None, 40MB HMB (V2)
Sequential Read: 7000 MB/s
Sequential Write: 6400 MB/s
Random Read: 925,000 IOPS
Random Write: 950,000 IOPS
Endurance (TBW): 1400 TB
Warranty: 2 Years

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  • hollykryten on 10/02/2024 - 20:47

    Better deal bought through the Amazon AU store itself (from seller Amazon.co.jp which is obviously Amazon Japan) with the free international delivery. It still comes from the same stock as from the amazon.co.jp store front. So if you buy it from the Amazon Japan store front itself you're just throwing money away paying for the international delivery fee which you don't need to. Just that the listing through the Amazon AU store is showing exactly how much stock the Amazon Japan warehouse has left and that's only 3 units currently left.

    • StarGrapper on 10/02/2024 - 21:14

      Actually, still same price, doesn't matter which store is it, final result is same price

      • hollykryten on 10/02/2024 - 23:03

        $305.61 delivered from amazon.co.jp is not the same price as $290.66 delivered from the Amazon AU store front (seller Amazon Japan).

        • StarGrapper on 10/02/2024 - 23:06

          My bad, don't know why I read it in here 290$.

          • hollykryten on 10/02/2024 - 23:08

            @StarGrapper: Yes. You get free international delivery when purchased through amazon.com.au on all items no matter where it ships from in the world. But if bought directly from amazon.co.jp you do get charged it.

  • Look Up on 11/02/2024 - 01:29
    +1

    Update: Amazon JP via AU store have added 64 drives to the cheaper AU link, request has been made to mods to switch deal from JP to AU store

    • hollykryten on 11/02/2024 - 13:45

      Good stuff. Buying it through the AU store from seller Amazon JP just sends the order straight to the Japan warehouse for shipping. But you're making the order through the AU store payment system so you pay in $AUD up front which is handy. A bonus of no foreign conversion fee on the credit card statement as such and free delivery. Got nothing to lose.

  • orangutan on 11/02/2024 - 08:13

    Couldn’t resist…

    • Jaruss76 on 11/02/2024 - 13:17
      +1

      I also couldn’t resist lol

  • card78 on 11/02/2024 - 13:49

    This seems to have the same internal components as Fanxiang S770. Any concerns as per the comment below?

    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/14505507/redir

    • Sleepycat3 on 11/02/2024 - 15:22
      +1

      4TB drives tend to have a 2400 TBW rated endurance/warranty. So it is odd that this one would have only 1440 TBW. I'd prefer to get something else like a Gen 3 Teamgroup MP34 4TB instead if I was using it in a PC and not in a PS5.

    • idonotknowwhy on 11/02/2024 - 18:10

      I think I bought the one in that deal, it's been fantastic. Came with a little heatsink enclosure and everything!

    • Ifndefx on 11/02/2024 - 22:38

      I'm so lost with NVME drives, I keep wanting to get one and then coming across people reporting problems.

    • systema on 12/02/2024 - 18:08

      The combo of 138L YMTC NAND and IG5236 are not that great for data integrity. Let's put it that way.

  • Alzori on 11/02/2024 - 16:49

    https://amzn.asia/d/dIYBpnC

    2tb is $154 too, not bad.

  • LurkingLurker on 21/02/2024 - 18:38
    +1

    Thanks OP, got mine installed and ran some tests today with some very interesting findings:

    CrystalDiskMark confirmed advertised numbers.
    Continuous write to full with 800GB test file: 4.1GB/s dropped to 3.6GB/s at ~75% capacity.

    Everything looks good except reported specs of the SSD was completely different:
    Model: Verbatim Vi7000
    HMB: 40960 - 40960 KB (Enabled, 40 M)
    Controller: Maxio MAP1602
    NAND: YMTC 232L TLC

    Removed the heat sink for a physical inspection and there is no DRAM chip onboard. Serial sticker confirmed the correct SSD model (Vi7000G). There was no error from the software report.

    Seems like Verbatim did a cheeky switcheroo with their SSD. Can anyone else confirm?

    • gadgetguy on 22/02/2024 - 09:40

      The specs state "the Vi7000G achieves unrivalled read speeds of up to 7,400 MB/s and write speeds of up to 6,500 MB/s".

      You are only getting a fraction of that, right?

      • LurkingLurker on 22/02/2024 - 10:27

        Benchmarks matched the rated specs with drive at 99% full so I'd say it's really good. But real world testing was slower as to be expected, my Samsung 980pro with the same test on the same computer had continuous write speed of 4.3GB/s as a reference.

        Honestly surprised at how good HMB SSDs can be.

    • Nil Einne on 22/02/2024 - 21:50

      Most vendors using the IG5236 + YMTC 128L seem to have switched to MP1602 and YMTC 232L. I though Verbatim wouldn't since they advertised DRAM on their site but guess they did as well.

      Like with a number of recent changes e.g. the 970 Evo Plus change a few years back, it's not really a downgrade, more of a sidegrade since the combo can be better in some cases even if it's HMB. However I really wish vendors would just release new models or at least call them v2 or rel 2 or something. Also in Verbatim's case it's fairly problematic since they specifically advertise it as having DRAM

    • Look Up on 22/02/2024 - 23:31
      +1

      Thanks for the update

      Deal has been updated

      @netsurfer will be interested - wholesale change from InnoGrit/YMTC 128L/DRAM to Maxio/YMTC 232L/no DRAM whilst keeping the same model number is pretty wild

      • netsurfer on 22/02/2024 - 23:41

        Thanks for letting me know. Not a surprise with the component swaps. Plenty of SSD makers did that last year and I was also on the receiving end of the component swaps a few times last year.

        I don't have 4TB of the drives to show you, so I can only show you 2TB of InnoGrit vs 1TB of Maxio (the 4TB results obviously would be different):

        Silicon Power XS70 - InnoGrit/YMTC 128L/DRAM
        Lexar NM790 - Maxio/YMTC 232L/no DRAM

        232L has bandwidth advantage so even with a weaker controller, at low queue depth, due to the controller's ability to utilise that bandwidth, it can out-perform InnoGrit. Obviously, at high queue depth and mixed usage, it's a different story.

        I am not a fan of YMTC 128L because there is a good chance you get the older version, which is known to have old data read issue.

        The biggest issue with the swap is the price, given that it is essentially NM790 (most OZBers bought one for around ~$255 (non heatsink version), but right now, the RRP on NM790 4TB is $369).

      • LurkingLurker on 23/02/2024 - 00:45

        Surely you'd have a pretty good case to get a refund from Amazon for a product not matching it's descriptions for anyone having buyers remorse.

        I knew this was going to be a bit of a gamble that's why I ran some tests upon install. In fairness I doubt most people would notice the difference in performance at all outside of benchmarks. I can't even tell the difference between gen 3 and gen 4 nvme when using my computer…

        It just stings my ozbargain pride a bit with that price point :(

        • netsurfer on 23/02/2024 - 11:26

          There is a bit of twist if you opt for a refund. I had first hand experience last year on the component swap. The Silicon Power XS70 (which I provided a screenshot of CystalDiskMark test result above) had component swap. I was expecting Phison/Micron 176L, but it had InnoGrit/YMTC 128L. For Amazon International return, Amazon classifies it as "change of mind" and by default, customer needs to pay for the return postage (Amazon will assist in the return, but customer needs to pay for the postage).

          The main issue is that these listings don't indicate what you get exactly and as I have shown through NM790, it can reach the advertised max speed (read speed up to 7400MB/s).

          Personally, while InnoGrit/YMTC 128L is overall faster, I don't like the 128L NAND (there is a high chance it is the older gen ones - cheaper and inferior). Also, given the price in the current market, this is still a decent deal. I doubt most people can tell the performance difference. In fact, in some gaming based benchmark test, it wouldn't surprise me if the Maxon/YMTC 232L combo gets slightly better score.

          • Nil Einne on 23/02/2024 - 15:20
            +1

            @netsurfer: I don't live in Australia, but I'm very surprised if Amazon in Australia is allowed to sell you a drive without DRAM and say you received what you paid for when both the listing "Uncompromising performance: With NVMe, heatsink and DRAM cache" and Verbatim site https://www.verbatim.com.au/products/vi7000g-internal-pcie-n… say it has DRAM cache.

            IMO it's a clear case of selling you something that is different from what they Amazon advertised. They can call it an error or whatever, but it seems to me in any country with decent competition law it's their responsibility to put it right without expecting you to pay for return shipping. I don't see it matters whether the lack of DRAM cache is actually harmful.

            BTW I'd also argue that an ordinary person would understand DRAM cache to mean "on the SSD" not HMB so I don't think they can argue HMB is technically DRAM cache either. (I mean you could put it on a system with only Optane if you want to go down that line of argument.)

            I do agree a simple change of controller when it still meets the other advertised specs is a more complicated issue and could see arguments either way. (I mean I don't think we can ignore reviews.)

            P.S. Is old 128L really a problem even for new drives? This seems to have been released mid last year from what I can tell so I thought it was unlikely you'd receive the buggy 128L. (Also another reason I didn't expect they planned to sidegrade it.) However I'm also not surprised if a lot of it is still hanging around with whoever is stockpiling it, waiting to offload it when they can.

            • netsurfer on 23/02/2024 - 16:26

              @Nil Einne: It is more about the current Amazon AU's system workflow and quirks for international return. One key reason we buy from Amazon is that it has good after sales service normally. For these buying from other Amazon stores through Amazon AU, it is a little bit weird.

              The system has a tendency to default to change of mind within 14 days (or 20 days). The dumb part is that unlike AU based purchases, the return postage isn't set to free. We all believe it makes more sense to do this as item not as described. Since this one is missing DRAM, I reckon that will be sufficient to be treated as not as described. The main issue is that the item is not faulty so Amazon CSR will treat it as change of mind (due to item not matching description).

              Amazon CSRs knowing DRAM on SSDs… I think that's a big assumption. They don't really care and that's why they tend to treat it as change of mind by default.

              It comes down to whether people are still happy to keep it.

              Is old 128L really a problem?

              Well, honestly, with YMTC NAND, one annoyance is you may not get prompt firmware updates. YMTC never came up with a proper solution to deal with the older gen 128L NAND. Thing is, you can't tell unless you physically inspect the NAND chips. YMTC stockpiled a lot of NAND chips (due to US sanctions). I am just not comfortable telling people they stockpiled the latest.

              Also, for a 4TB SSD, having just 2GB of DRAM is already cost cutting (it should ideally be 4GB).

          • LurkingLurker on 24/02/2024 - 00:16

            @netsurfer: With all the talks about IG5236 controller being more problematic than others honestly the component swap couldn't have come at a better time. Here are the benchmark numbers in case you were interested. As a single sided 4TB SSD I doubt you could get much better than that, there is physically no space to place a DRAM chip on there anyway.

            • netsurfer on 24/02/2024 - 00:55
              -1

              @LurkingLurker: No, the issue is not IG5236 controller, but the YMTC 128L. The current assumption is the new one shouldn't have this issue but I am biased since I do own SSDs with Maxio and YMTC 232L combo.

              I did post the 1TB NM790 results so the 4TB results are expected. Also, to make people feel good, I have intentionally not shown the tests that show weaknesses of the Maxio controller. Most people probably don't care about those. It's more than fine for personal use, especially gaming.

              there is physically no space to place a DRAM chip on there anyway

              There are single sided 4TB 232L NAND SSD with DRAM. Component swap is generally bad and you need to re-evaluate based on the actual parts / components. Its equivalent SSD, NM790 4TB, was $255 (or if you were lucky enough $227.15 - Lexar rep was unhappy that retailer cleared its old stock at that price last year).

              Given the current market prices on SSDs, $291 is a good deal. Amazon is better than most of those retailers selling NM790. Lexar ANZ rep is shrewd and has raised the price of NM790 to a rediculous level.

  • jayboi on 23/02/2024 - 14:51
    +1

    Does the 2TB version have DRAM?
    Was going to get one to put in the techfast PC deal I got as a games drive

    • Fatboy74 on 23/02/2024 - 18:21

      Was going to ask the same thing.

      • jayboi on 23/02/2024 - 20:46

        I still ordered it this morning.
        Still worth the $150 given the speeds it has and it’s only going to be used as a games drive, not really trusting it to use it as a backup drive for my phone and photos

        • Fatboy74 on 24/02/2024 - 19:58

          My thoughts too. Would be nice with Dram tho… mine won’t be here until
          Mid March.

          • paddywide on 24/02/2024 - 21:35

            @Fatboy74: As this thread's description said, someone bought it and find out it has no Dram, is it still worth to buy?

    • paddywide on 24/02/2024 - 21:35

      As this thread's description said, someone bought it and find out it has no Dram, is it still worth to buy?

      • Nil Einne on 25/02/2024 - 03:20
        +1

        Well to be fair, no one has reported what the 2TB has yet AFAIK. I'm fairly sure it will also be MAP1602 + YMTC 232L, but you could get lucky/unlucky.

      • Fatboy74 on 25/02/2024 - 06:15
        +1

        That was the 4TB. I don’t think anyone on here has done the 2TB which could be different.

        • rith on 05/03/2024 - 13:31

          Just received the 2TB. It has the MP1602.

          • jayboi on 05/03/2024 - 18:01

            @rith: does that have DRAM or no

            • rith on 05/03/2024 - 23:06

              @jayboi: I don't know how to tell exactly but the info above points to no, no it does not.

  • TheStandard on 25/02/2024 - 11:34

    Can someone explain how the 2 year warranty works when purchasing from Amazon Japan through Amazon Australia? I can't find the 2 year warranty info details in the Amazon product page

    • tangwf on 25/02/2024 - 20:16

      It was there but now seems gone

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