Possible all time low and an actually appealing option at this price point. Finally differentiated from the 7800 XT
Approaching the point of some regret setting in for picking up a 4060ti 16GB for $600 myself however
Umart: https://www.umart.com.au/product/sapphire-pulse-radeon-rx-77…
PCByte: https://www.pcbyte.com.au/product/sapphire-pulse-radeon-rx-7…
Yeah this gen of AMD cards has just been them saying "We only want you to buy the 7800xt and not consider anything else"
even then it's just "we just barely want you to consider the 7800xt"
Yeah I'm super disappointed, as a happy user of the 6800 I thought the 7800xt would provide good gains and it was selling at the same price as the 6800xt towards end of life, sounded amazing until you realize they're basically the same card. With how close the 4070 and 7800xt are and now being the same price I wouldn't be able to consider AMD. I've stated here I don't care about RT features but when those features come for free and not at a premium than it's a no brainer.
@lookingforadeal7: AMD product marketing completely f***ed it this generation. It was the perfect opportunity to capture of the mid-range and frustrate top end (4080). It feels like every SKU should have been named one tier down. 7900XTX > 7900XT, 7900XT > 7800XT, 7800XT > 7700XT and so on… Almost like some low IQ moron in marketing thought more X = more better without realising the damage it would do to the brand and market perception e.g. FSR vs DLSS became the main issue.
It's been very, very disappointing, and I say that as an owner of the XTX (granted on an epic deal). AMD need to realize their Zen moment.
And the 7800xt is the same speed as a 6800xt, just with a bit more raytracing performance and av1 encoding on top.
imo 7800 at this price and it's a golden deal
Also Asus rx 6600 for one of the best bang for the buck 1080p gaming for $289 on special. Not all time low. But its close.
https://www.umart.com.au/product/asus-radeon-rx-6600-dual-v2…
@ 1080p the RX6600 is the only decent budget option
https://www.centrecom.com.au/asus-dual-radeon-rx-6600-v2-8gb…
$279 including shipping now.
Maybe further drops.
i was seeing ex mining asrock 6600xt popping up for around $220
thats a decent buy if you can live with the risk
It's good to see the price being a bit more realistic.
It's hard to bite considering the new RDNA doesn't appear to be optimized properly as it doesn't do close to what it should according to the architectural changes.
also half the point of RDNA2, according to their own launch marketing, was supposed to be chiplets = low prices.
prices were not low.
Ah you see, prices were low for them not us.
Apologies, I meant RDNA3. Too late to edit. This slip really says something about the (lack of) progress in this space.
It's hard to bite considering the new RDNA doesn't appear to be optimized properly as it doesn't do close to what it should according to the architectural changes.
RDNA 3 is fundamentally flawed and the chiplet architecture is garbage
AMD knows this - that's why RDNA 4 is going back to monolithic
This 7700 XT can't even match the $400 3060 12GB or second hand 2060 Super in compute and like all RDNA 3 cards, will age extremely poorly
First gen of anything always has issues, as the process nodes shrink and gains become smaller maybe all GPU's will end up being a chiplet design. Its better for AMD to take the leap now.
First gen of anything always has issues… Its better for AMD to take the leap now.
AMD have admitted failure on chiplets and are moving back to monolithic on RDNA 4
They thought they could "Ryzenify" RDNA but instead answered a question that no one asked
As for fundamentally flawed, you only have to look at cache sizes to see where AMD farked up this generation:
RX 6950 XT: L2 4MB, L3 128MB >> RX 7900 XTX: L2 6MB, L3 96MB
RTX 3090: L2 6MB >> RTX 4090: L2 72MB
They went backwards on the XTX Infinity Cache because they couldn't fit another 32MB or else TDP would explode past 450-500W
IMO the real problem is with Zen CPUs, they were humble enough to get adoption going with attractive pricing. Get all the first gen issues reported and ironed out, get enthusiasts raving about it.
They kinda did the opposite with RDNA3.
That is a crap benchmark that uses Tensor cores on the Nvidia cards to boost performance (nothing to do with how "optimized" AMD's GPU hardware is) and is using a version of Pytorch for AMD that gets much lower results than running SD on Linux via ROCm does in other benchmarks .
So claiming that RDNA 3 cards are bad at compute based of that is laughable!
You've just proven the point
AMD fans love pointing out that the superior RT and compute performance on GeForce is only due to the Tensor cores
If even Intel could add similar XMX cores to the Arc to boost XeSS and compute, WTF happened with RDNA 3?
RDNA 3 = brute force raster on an inefficient chiplet architecture that can't even package the same amount of cache as RDNA 2
Now AMD are back tracking with RDNA 4 and going back to monolithic mid-range designs only because they still:
1/ Cannot control chiplet power usage at low/idle usage
2/ Cannot package large amounts of cache without costs and power usage exploding
3/ Cannot scale high end and large die designs without power usage exploding
AMD are also catching up on matrix cores for RDNA 4 because whilst it's OK to be smashed by RTX, it's embarrassing to be behind Arc
As for ROCm - are you serious?
Almost 6 months after release, the 7800 XT and 7700 XT are still not officially supported in either ROCm Linux or Windows
Plus ROCm Windows is not even feature complete with the Linux version that is already a PITA to install, configure and actually use
@Look Up: RDNA 4 being monolithic is most likely due to not having enough time. Also, that's speculating based on latest rumour that AMD is struggling to get RDNA 4 to work well with chiplets so AMD might just release mid range products for RDNA 4. However, if AMD really wants to jump on the AI hype train properly, it needs to get chiplets working on GPUs. From what I read, AMD is not backtracking to monolithic, it's just chiplets not happening due to issues (so we may not see RDNA 4 competing with nVidia next gen high end). All that is unofficial and completely based on leaks. Also, one of the leakers had a bad track record.
Intel Arc / Battlemage hype, I am cynical Intel will release it on time. Intel has been laying off staff and there will be more layoffs from Intel.
Intel shareholders don't like Intel Arc (losing money). Latest rumour is the 56 Xe cores won't be released (most likely only up to 40 Xe cores).
Software is another big issue for AMD, especially in the AI space.
RX7800XT FTW! Don't waste your money
my thoughts exactly
I recently bought one and haven't looked back. Good value for money and 16GB VRAM.
where did you get a 4060ti 16GB for $600?
Would this be a good card for Stable Diffusion for the price?
Not much better than the 6700XT but $200 more… not worth it IMHO
where can you find a 6700XT for that price anymore though
everyday hodling
RDNA 4 moving back to monolithic dies says it all
RDNA 3 chiplet architecture will be remembered as one of the biggest fails in recent GPU engineering
Watch AMD produce an "amazing" 8800 XT - the real successor to the 6800 XT - because they're now competing against Intel and not NVIDIA
God I truly hope you are right
I can only find mcm arch for rdna4.
No one is really saying there will be much impressive in rdna4 either unfortunately…but all speculation of course.
From a business perspective however, the industry doesn't care about gaming any more. It's all AI cores/accelerators. I don't expect we'll really see any meaningful consumer-beneficial competition in the gpu space for many years.
That's actually a really good point but maybe gamers can rejoice as they won't have to upgrade every gen for minimal gains
Moving to chiplets is the trend and a necessary evil. AMD did it with Ryzen initially, Apple with their Apple silicon, Intel is doing it. AMD's share price basically doubled due to the AI wave (and AMD is not even the market leader). A concern is AMD might spend more effort on AI than gaming.
So would your recommendation be to wait or switch to the green camp? If wait, when is the next gen from amd due please, @lookup?
Depend if there is any game you want to play requires an upgrade and when to play. Also price of course.
The smart play is to wait for Battlemage to be released first
Intel will set the mid-range of the PC GPU market this year because both Battlemage and the 8800 XT target the same 4070 Ti Super 16GB spec level
Battlemage will target the spec for max AU $800
The AMD equivalent of the 4070 Ti Super is the 7900 XT which currently costs AU $1150
If Battlemage performs above expectations, AMD will have no choice but to price the 8800 XT closer to the current AU $800 of the 7800 XT
If Intel fails, AMD can jack pricing to AU $900-1000 because everyone knows NVIDIA are only going to increase prices for 50 series
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EDIT:
Darn chat box…
https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/Notebooks/News/_nc4/…
Tempted to buy this as my 10606Gb is slowing me down
Decided to support intel and wait for the arc A770 deal to be back…
However, If you are after a secondhand market, here is a reference that I noted 2 months ago.
| GPU | Price |
|---|---|
| 3080 TI | 600 |
| 3060 | 350 |
| 2080 | 300 |
| 2070 | 210 |
Do it. I took a gamble and did, it's amazing. 4K, 144Hz as well. Sure, it won't do the latest AAA titles with good FPS at that resolution, but for the games I've played (Sniper Elite 4, Age of Empires 4, some others) I've been able to crank the graphics settings to the highest values.
Also local AI stuff is awesome, had so much fun with that. + AV1 codec.
Video cards are still insanely overpriced, just absurdly so.
$649 now
Still needs to be cheaper. 7800 XT delivers 21% performance boost for less than 18% increase in price.
Still, good to see some price drops on this model, which was in absolute no-man's-land before.