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Been looking for a cheap AM5 Board that wont throttle like crazy (Avoiding MSI PRO A620M-E) and was also wanting wifi integrated
This ebay deal seems about the cheapest to get Wifi + B650 Chipset.
Gigabyte AM5 MicroATX B650M Gaming Wi-Fi $182.75 ($178.45 eBay Plus) Shipped @ Computer Alliance eBay
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vanyellow on 12/03/2024 - 13:49 ebay.com.au (1188 clicks)
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Last edited 12/03/2024 - 14:02 by 1 other user
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In case, it is a lot of more. 229 + 57 shipping
BPC has it for $235 + free shipping. I ended up snagging one to go with my 7800X3D from the Afterpay deal. At that price its the best value AM5 board in the AU market currently by far. Only thing comparable in that price range is the Asrock HDV/M.2 is $230 on Amazon (via US), but that doesn't come with wifi so you'll be spending another $30-40 on a M.2 card and antenna, and the Asrock PG Lightning Wifi at Centrecom for $236, but that's a worse board
I agree but for a budget build, paired 7500f,7600/x it's enough. The main downside to this board is wifi 5and no usb 3 gen 2x2 support for front or rear io.
Gigabyte disable OC capabilities on their very low end boards (like this one), so its effectively a A620 board in capability anyway (this board has no OC, no PCIe 5 and no USB 20gbps). You also don't have to worry about VRM throttling as Zen 4 is rather efficient. The A620 is designed for 65w, but there's nothing in the firmware stopping you from dropping a higher TDP CPU onto it (if you're just looking to drop in a 7800X3D it should be perfectly fine). I'd avoid it for the 7900X/7950X and maybe the 7700(X), but the 7600 (and 7600X in ecomode) barely loses any performance at 65w compared to unlock, and the 7800X3D rarely ever go above 65w anyway.
Considering the B650M HDV/M.2, an infinitely superior basic bitch board was $150 6 months ago, this is only a deal if you need to get a board now and happy to settle for one of the worst option available just because its cheap. But given the current state of AM5 board in Australia (where are all the Asrock stock), if you want to build something soon its either settle or pay a lot more.
are you saying this board doesn't have pbo and curve optimizer settings? That's strange for a b650.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/194xjc9/despite_b650_c…
Gigabyte things. They disable OC functionality on bottom of the barrel boards with crap VRMs
gig outta here.
Ughh… I thought that was only a thing on a620… Hopefully AMD prevents Gigabyte from being this shitty next gen…
B650M HDV/M.2 was good value for money, but you still get what you paid for:
- TjMax was set lower so you need to raise that manually.
- VRM is okay. It is not junk class level, but it is still at the bottom compared to most B650 boards.
- 1 USB 3.2 gen 2 port is via internal header (so you need a case that supports that connector)
- While the integrated I/O shield is good, if you don't remove it, it is a bit of a pain to install Wifi antennas.
Hard to buy one locally now and price is now too high. This Gigabyte motherboard is a big joke though.
B650 VRM across the board (prior to the recent batch of Gigabyte and MSI pseudo A620 boards like this) are overspecced and overkill for the CPU they're driving, the 8+2+1 on the HDV and Pro RS is sufficient for OCing the 7950X, unless Zen 5 significantly up the power requirement they're more than enough. The HDV basically got a minor upgrade later in the Pro RS anyway with a slightly better selection of ports (i.e. 2 USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports, 1 A and 1 C) and headers, too bad Asrock stocks in Australia is ?????
Waiting for ATX pricing to fall within this range. Are extra M.2 slots really that expensive?
Probably not for a while, down here is all bare bone bottom of the line stuffs. There are also business-orientated mATX board with 3 M.2 slot (like the Asrock Pro RS, which incidentally is also one of the cheapest B650 board on the market) + PCIe expansion card beyond the GPU losing popularity, so full sized ATX is kinda niche nowadays.
I've been looking for a B650 board and I thought ATX /tends/ to have better features? Like better VRMs, some have Gen 5 PCIE SSD support. Most importantly, a mATX board in an ATX case will look weird lol
Most ATX boards in the market are 95% the same as their mATX counterpart, only difference is mainly the extra PCIe and occasionally M.2 slots. VRM are also extremely overkill these days, for AM5 the cheapest basic bitch boards on platform release (Gigabyte DS3H and Asrock HDV/M.2) has sufficient VRM to overclock a 7950X. The high end X-series chipset tends to be ATX only, but those are niche enthusiast products that's overkill for nearly all usecases.
Aesthetically, well I personally don't really care, but if your build has an extra $400 spent on RGB lighting and a LCD cooler, then hey what's an extra $50-70 for the ATX version of a board for slots you won't use. You'd only see the mATX being short from a few angles anyway, since most of the board nowadays is covered by the massive 2.5-3 slot GPU cards.
ATX boards tend to allow the x4 slot to be usable even if you have a x16 graphics card that used up 3 slots. Also, there is normally a x4 slot (unlike this AM5 microATX board which doesn't have it).
ATX boards normally have at least 2 m.2 slots, this microATX cut cost to the bone and removed the the second m.2 slot.
m.2 PCIe gen 5 x4 support has little to do with ATX, with gen 5 x4 through-hole soldering is not sufficient. Generally, it is best to have the slot closer to the CPU so ATX boards don't offer advantage there.
Are extra M.2 slots really that expensive?
Yes they are
"Budget" AMD boards - let alone the physically large ATX models - are now impossible to make because:
1/ VRM costs have hyperinflated
2/ All the AMD chipsets and associated controllers made by ASMedia have hyperinflated
3/ DDR5 trace quality requirements have caused PCB layer costs to inflate
4/ PCIe Gen 5 requirements are about to add another round of costs and these will multiply depending on the slots physically available
Are extra M.2 slots really that expensive?
In this case, Gigabyte simply designed the board in a way that's more like for a low end A620 board. DDR5 and the m.2 wiring to the CPU are necessary. For the rest of the motherboard, Gigabyte was unwilling to do the wiring for PCIe gen 4. It's sad really, despite being B650, it only has PCIe gen 3 support through the chipset.
No USB 3.2 gen 2 support, all you get is USB 3.2 gen 1 / 5Gbps. The included WiFi is a bit of a joke as well: Realtek® RTL8821CE (WiFi 5, Bluetooth 4.2). This feels more like an A620 board. Gigabyte basically put B650M chipset onto a low end A620 board design.
Yes but how about those damn ITX deals folks!
My god it's so expensive, even the cheap b650s are insane
Only cheap ITX board is the jginyue B650i from AliExpress but I wouldn't count on them to actually update the bios for newer gens of CPUs
Heck no. No thanks.
I wondered if I should just go all the way down to a 620 system….
The board I'm told is good but what's the point of buying into AM5 if you have to replace the board after 2 years cos they dont update it lmao
Now I need a Ryzen cpu deal!
only 6 rear USB-A ports… nil USB C. wtf is this mobo from the 1990s?
Could be worse, these bottom of the barrel board last gen would only have 4.
What on earth do people use onboard USB-C for?
There's some pretty awesome USB-C hubs, even if they're mostly for laptops they can still be handy for desktops instead of having to reach all the way to the back of the PC to plug stuff in.
No, a lot of the USB-C hubs, especially ones with lots of ports won't work properly on a desktop PC USB-C port because insufficient power from the port. If you want to use those hubs, you still need to use a USB-C power adapter and that feels a bit !@#!@#
@netsurfer: Bought one of USB-C hub that has NVMe enclosure built in. On a desktop, it keeps on disconnecting every 10-20 seconds. You'd think a USB-C hub with the enclosure built in wouldn't take that much power, but it needs more power to work.
A lot of desktop USB-C ports (especially if they are not Thunderbolt or USB 4 or USB 3.2 gen 2x2) are essentially wired the same as a USB-A port. There is no USB-C/PD support, you get at best 5V 3A (if you are lucky, otherwise, could still be 5V 1A if you are unlucky).
USB-C has plenty of loopholes for M/B makers to cheat. It's annoying that I have to get hubs that are desktop workable, and ones which have more ports but only for laptops.
Up to USB 3.2 gen 2, for data, USB-C has no real benefit on desktops, especially for ports at the back. USB-C ports at the front of the case might still be handy (to sync with your newer mobile phones as they now provide/include USB-C to USB-C cable and USB-C is reversible).
USB 3.2 gen 2x2, USB-C is the only interface possible (USB-A and USB-B do not have sufficient pins).
Usb-c is a form factor primarily used for laptops/mobile devices due to space constraints. I can't think of any device I've ever plugged into my pc that didn't come with a type A connector or an extra detachable one at least (portable storage devices).
Although a good deal, this board has Wifi 5 and no USB-C ports which is something I can't use in my everyday rig in 2024.
Stumbled across this awesome spreadsheet if anyone is considering AM5 boards:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NQHkDEcgDPm34Mns3C93…
Great deal.