Not as good as the 32GB, 4070ti offer they had last month but still pretty good. i7-14700F, RTX 4070 prebuilt for under $2K. Rough plug into PCPartPicker looks to be around the same value.
Sorry, why does it show 2300 on my website?
Did you apply the code at checkout?
Thanks. Didn't notice it.
Minus the part where you're not stuck with a shitbox convection oven case and a proprietary form factor board with VRMs that are hanging on to dear life. These crappy vendor prebuilt lost all value when GPU aren't being scalped to high heaven anymore.
| Type | Item | Price |
|---|---|---|
| CPU | Intel Core i5-14600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor | $429.00 @ Centre Com |
| CPU Cooler | Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler | $54.90 |
| Motherboard | Gigabyte Z690 AORUS PRO DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard | $249.00 |
| Memory | Patriot Viper Steel 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $98.00 @ Amazon Australia |
| Storage | Patriot P310 1.92 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive | $137.00 @ Amazon Australia |
| Video Card | PNY VERTO GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card | $849.00 @ Centre Com |
| Case | Montech AIR 903 MAX ATX Mid Tower Case | $129.00 @ Centre Com |
| Power Supply | Cooler Master MWE Bronze V2 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | $115.00 @ Amazon Australia |
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts | ||
| Total | $2060.90 | |
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-16 12:53 AEST+1000 |
For $200 more you get a B+ tier PSU, a well ventilated case and a better CPU (+ cooler) and board. Or just grab one of the Techfast build.
This PC has DDR5 memory and PCIe 4.0 SSD vs the specs in your partpicker list, I purchased the 32GB RAM and 4070Ti version a few weeks back, I replaced the stock CPU cooler with a Thermalright SI-100 pretty much straightaway as the stock cooler was loud and the CPU was getting too hot for my liking, since then I've had no noise or overheating issues.
JEDEC speed DDR5 with shit latency is equal or worse performance than bog standard dirt cheap 3200CL16 DDR4 on LGA1700, and plain green sticks are what you're getting with these kind of systems (and even the Techfast ones, the little things are usually where cheaper prebuilt skimp on, their DDR4 system used to ship with 3200CL22 sticks). RAM scaling is better with 13th/14th gen compared to 12th gen (where its practically no difference even with better DDR5 RAM) due to the improved Memory Controller, but even then the gains is marginal in the best case scenario.
https://www.guru3d.com/review/ddr5-core-i9-13900k-ddr5-7200-… - 3600CL18 and 4800CL40 (JEDEC speed DDR5) is about equal, trading blows, with higher tier DDR5 having single % gains.
PCIe 4.0 is also a nothingburger for a boot drive, whereas the issues I stated in the original post are major problems with these kind of vendor prebuilt. You can fork out another $30 or so for a faster NVME, there's no saving a system built on the foundation of a ventilation-less plastic oven and a custom form factor board ewaste board.
But regardless:
| Type | Item | Price |
|---|---|---|
| CPU | Intel Core i5-14600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor | $429.00 @ Centre Com |
| CPU Cooler | Thermalright Phantom Spirit 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler | $54.90 |
| Motherboard | Gigabyte Z690M AORUS ELITE DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard | $199.00 @ PCCaseGear |
| Memory | Patriot Viper Steel 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $98.00 @ Amazon Australia |
| Storage | Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive | $196.20 @ Amazon Australia |
| Video Card | PNY VERTO GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card | $849.00 @ Centre Com |
| Case | Deepcool CH370 MicroATX Mid Tower Case | $85.00 @ Centre Com |
| Power Supply | Cooler Master MWE Bronze V2 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | $115.00 @ Amazon Australia |
| Case Fan | Thermalright TL-C12C X3 66.17 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack | $18.90 |
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts | ||
| Total | $2045.00 | |
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-16 13:33 AEST+1000 |
PCIe 4.0 drive, and matching the mATX form factor. And if we drop the ridiculous overkill CPU/underpowered GPU combination that are strangely popular with vendor prebuilt, you can fit a 4070 Super or a 7900GRE and end up with about the same final price (7900GRE being $100 cheaper put it at close to $1900 even)
| Type | Item | Price |
|---|---|---|
| CPU | Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor | $264.45 @ Amazon Australia |
| CPU Cooler | Thermalright Phantom Spirit 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler | $54.90 |
| Motherboard | Gigabyte Z690M AORUS ELITE DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard | $199.00 @ PCCaseGear |
| Memory | Patriot Viper Steel 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $98.00 @ Amazon Australia |
| Storage | Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive | $196.20 @ Amazon Australia |
| Video Card | Inno3D Twin X2 GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card | $979.00 @ Amazon Australia |
| Case | Deepcool CH370 MicroATX Mid Tower Case | $85.00 @ Centre Com |
| Power Supply | Cooler Master MWE Bronze V2 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | $115.00 @ Amazon Australia |
| Case Fan | Thermalright TL-C12C X3 66.17 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack | $18.90 |
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts | ||
| Total | $2010.45 | |
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-16 13:37 AEST+1000 |
And of course, builds from SI like Techfast/Nebula/Enigma/BPC that get posted every so often here are even cheaper. They do skimp on parts and personally I'd always chose to pay the slight premium, but at least you're going to get a well built, well ventilated machine that isn't going to choke the component to death. I don't always agree with the component choices of builds that get posted, but at least they can guarantee you that much.
you'd need to go to each site buy those, pay shipping fee, buy windows, install assemble all, and hopefully the pc actually runs lol a killer deal from alienware hp omen is way better than techfast, they skimp on everything, not saying hp omen doesn't skimp. the pc case is definitely better than techfast where you can't even find the manufacturer.
@princesszeldachechen: Yeah, prebuilts definitely aren't aimed at more technically-inclined users who can build their own PC. This is a good deal for people who don't know an XMP from their USB. The whole system is ready to go with a legit Windows licence and if anything breaks you can just go to one place for support. Users will always pay a little more for that.
Of course if you can choose your own parts and have no problem assembling, troubleshooting, and possibly doing your own warranty claims yourself, you'd probably get more bang for buck that way nowadays.
I don't think I'd ever buy a prebuilt for myself, but there are some situations where it would make sense. I'm sure any technically-inclined people would know how it is when you help someone build something, automatically making you their lifetime tech support. :)
@eug: i've built about 5 or so computers, for now i don't wanna do it again. that person put up a list of parts and a total. just a reminder you can't pay $2010.45 and have a running pc. there are a lot more work to do. he doesn't even include windows, he tried hard to tell people dd4, i5,SSD are on par with the latest techs lol
This looks like the PC in question?
Is it really a proprietary form factor board? Looks like mATX.
PSU is a Cooler Master 80+ Gold 600W, not sure which exact model.
It's also an i7-14700F rather than an i5-14600KF.
and plain green sticks are what you're getting with these kind of systems
Do we get different sticks here? The video shows Kingston Fury Beast sticks.
14700F has more cores but also has a much tighter power limit, while also being stuck in a thermally limited environment of the hotbox case, so in practice you're going to get more in-game performance out of the 14600KF.
Thanks for the correction on the case, at least you can transplant the board to a non-hotbox, but I still would not recommend touching this thing unless its cheap enough to cover for the cost of the case (and probably CPU cooler) as well.
As for the PSU 80+ Gold is just the efficiency rating, it doesn't ensure the quality of the PSU itself.
while also being stuck in a thermally limited environment of the hotbox case,
How hot is this case in reality?
As for the PSU 80+ Gold is just the efficiency rating, it doesn't ensure the quality of the PSU itself.
Yes, but I would expect a power supply that has been designed to be very efficient would have more thought put into the design and component choice. Are there C-tier Cooler Master 80+ Gold PSUs?
@eug: Solid front and tiny side vents, so your bog standard hotbox. There's a good reason why manufacturers moved away from making NZXT H510 (the daddy of hotboxes) clones to making Lian Li O11 clones, as well as mesh front becoming trendy.
Yes, but I would expect a power supply that has been designed to be very efficient would have more thought put into the design and component choice. Are there C-tier Cooler Master 80+ Gold PSUs?
That's not really the case unfortunately, there's a lot of horrendous "REPLACE ASAP" tier PSU with a 80+ Gold rating. C-tier is still fine for low end system, and technically passable, but on a $2000 PC you expect something better. Especially if you're building yourself, as case and PSU is something that can carry over to the next build. CM's 80+ Gold lineup has a couple of untested models that don't tier.
Solid front and tiny side vents, so your bog standard hotbox.
That's fair; however I'd still be interested to see how an i5-12600KF compares to this specific i7-14700F machine.
That's not really the case unfortunately, there's a lot of horrendous "REPLACE ASAP" tier PSU with a 80+ Gold rating.
OK, but the important question is how does this specific one perform? It'd be unfair to say this PSU is poor quality when you don't even know what PSU it is.
I'd still be interested to see how an i5-12600KF compares to this specific i7-14700F machine.
12600KF + 4070 Super/7900GRE is a much saner combo for gaming. Vendor prebuilt and laptops has a nasty habit of combining a very overkill CPU with a underpowered or mid GPU (hello i9 with a 3050), probably because uninformed users are trained to see i7/i9 = good i5 = bad. 14600KF 4070 vs 14700F 4070 is 14600KF favored for gaming due to the higher peak and sustained clock speed owing to the higher power limit + better cooling, but the 14700F will be better for heavy multi-thread due to it having more cores. 14600K and 14700K are near identical in gaming performance, as games don't really make use of the extra cores, and the 14700F is throttled by its power limit. But the real competitor in this price bracket is the 12600KF and the 7600, because both of them will allow you to go up a PSU tier, which will get you more performance in games (minus the usual CPU-bottlenecked crew like EFT/Stellaris/WoW/etc…)
There's also the recent BYO GPU deals. Nebula's 7500F deal for $848 let you squeeze a 4070 Ti Super into ~2k, and matches this deal with a 4070 Super.
OK, but the important question is how does this specific one perform? It'd be unfair to say this PSU is poor quality when you don't even know what PSU it is.
Notice how I actually don't bring up the HP's PSU in my original post, only the hotbox case and the poor vendor board with bad VRM (but at least its standard mATX so you can rehouse it and add a decent downdraft as life support), only that the CM PSU in the list I specified is B+ ranking, because in that case you know exactly what you're going to get rather than a mystery meat black box.
Vendor prebuilt and laptops has a nasty habit of combining a very overkill CPU with a underpowered or mid GPU (hello i9 with a 3050), probably because uninformed users are trained to see i7/i9 = good i5 = bad.
I understand that, but when I read your original post it felt like you were simply generalising all prebuilts and did not actually know much about this specific machine. That is why I was curious and started looking into it a bit more.
I've always built my own machines as I prefer the ability to choose the parts and features that I want so I understand what you're saying, but I feel it's important to be fair and at least reasonably accurate when putting down other products. LTT got in big trouble for that last year as we all know.
@eug: The point of all of my post is that there is no reason to be playing mystery meat lottery with a prebuilt, in a market where they have a long history of being horrendously bad when you can get actually known good part for a little extra. Yes the board might be standard ATX for once (which I even said so in my initial reply), but its very likely going to have shit VRM still because they're still sticking a 14700F onto it rather than a 14700KF. It might be a branded stick for once, but the spec sheet still state that its DDR5-4800, so its no different to the generic green stick aside from a "gamer aesthetic" heatsink.
I took that to imply the one that comes with this machine is inferior
And now you're just putting word in my mouth.
The point of all of my post is that there is no reason to be playing mystery meat lottery with a prebuilt, in a market where they have a long history of being horrendously bad
Yup I understand that, but as I mentioned earlier, you were just painting all prebuilts with the same brush. This prebuilt is different to previous ones as we've seen so it seemed unfair or lazy to simply dismiss it completely without actually looking at it first. From a quick look it definitely doesn't look as bad as other prebuilts from the past so it looks like it's actually worth considering for some people.
when you can get actually known good part for a little extra.
That's assuming the user knows how to build a PC, has time to shop everywhere or pay for shipping, plus the cost of a Windows licence. These prebuilts definitely aren't aimed at that market. Getting someone to build and support a computer for you will always cost a bit of money.
And now you're just putting word in my mouth.
Sorry I misunderstood; but when you give a whole list of parts you say will be better which includes a PSU, the implied meaning is that the PSU is also better.
@eug: lol i bought 40l 14700f 4090 3 weeks ago. there are parts can be better but it runs with zero issue. plug in, register windows and all good to go. mine is gold+ 1200w. i can customize and go through all the shit to make a better pc but i'd rather not to.
Plus a Windows licence.
Plus labour to build it.
That list is from separate retailers? Got to get the stuff.
OEM’s have whole system warranty.
I just don’t have time to build or shop around anymore. I’ll be getting one of these deals when the time is right, for a certain buyer they can’t be beaten.
And you can get all of that from a trusted SI around here like Techfast/BPC/Nebula/Enigma/etc… which I've said multiple time in this comment chain. Even if you don't want to build it yourself, there's no reason to be spending money on a hodgepodge mystery meat PC. Techfast is the cheapest and usually has the lowest quality mobo/PSU/etc…, that's how they compete in price (but at least you know exactly what you're getting and can decide for yourself, while also having upgrade options available), but there are other builders around here that offer deals with better quality components. comes with a Windows license, offer warranty on the whole thing, and are usually cheaper than building it yourself to boot.
HP/Dell/etc.. makes money off people who has no idea what they're buying and will get baited (and overcharge for) by bigger advertising numbers (i7!!! DDR5!!!!) rather than put in the bare minimum research. Not exactly a bargain. When the state of the market was that you can't even buy a GPU at MSRP due to crypto scalper, you take what you can get, but that's no longer the case.
At first, I thought it was a 25-litre case, but after checking the picture, it's just the model number.
another note is that the bios's in these are generally quite poor in regards to configuration options - which can be a big performance deal with Intel CPU's as they work on boost limits and time to reach max performance.
Personally wouldnt go for one of these
Techfast are offering a 7800X3D and RTX 4070 Ti Super build for about $200 more delivered… much better value proposition.
Similarly, they have a 7500F and RTX 4070 Super build for $350 less if you're on a budget.