Kind of repeat of this popular deal, but in their outlet section
Some of the better deals include:
| Model | Use | Sizes Available | Reg Price | Members price |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ventral Mips | Helmet - Road Cycling | S, M | $430.00 | $172.00 |
| Ventral Lite | Helmet - Road Cycling | S, M | $390.00 | $156.00 |
| Radiant Jersey | Jersey - Road Cycling (mens) | S, M, L, XL | $260.00 | $104.00 |
| Devour | Sunglasses - Cycling | OSFA | $390.00 | $156.00 |
Lmao. Comparing a Kmart helmet to a POC
conforms to the AS/NZS 2063:2008 standard for bicycle helmets
All helmets have to, doesn't mean the quality is the same.
Ha! Good one buddy. Yes I think the Piece Of Crap is better that the real piece of crap you linked
LOL @jv you are a clown.
My wife used to work for Pac Brands and they distributed Rosebank (Aus designed) and Giro (US designed). Both were tested at their testing facility in Hallam for Oz standards. Both met the same standards, the big differences were fit and comfort, air flow and more importantly look and street cred.
POC is in the same class as Giro.
I have visons of @jv riding to his local coffee shop on his Cyclops bike with a Rosebank helmet, Aldi Lycra yoga pants and spokie dokies.
jv riding to his local coffee shop on his Cyclops bike with a Rosebank helmet
Nah, I stocked up on the $5 deal years ago…
Why is POC bike helmets are so much more expensive compare to a Full Face motorbike helmets? Is it because they can?
They're not? I have Shoeis, Arais and Bells that are way more expensive
@ChatCPT: I think it does. A good bicycle helmet like a POC is much cheaper than a good motorcycle helmet.
@ChatCPT: I'm not a cyclist, but I'd imagine the manufacturer would argue the price is justified by factors like ergonomics, lightness, ventilation, build quality, material quality, etc.
It isn't really hard to guess the things that people would look for in a helmet - all you have to do is imagine what you'd want.
With almost all consumer products there's also going to be less tangible factors or factors that are difficult to define that people will argue about: status signalling, marketing, point of diminishing returns, etc.
At this point, I feel like the "why not just get the Kmart version of x" comments are always reductive and redundant.
Isn't a helmet that conforms to the Australian standard that protects your head, face and chin supposed to cost more compare to a half helmet that still leaves your face and chin exposed? I know like everything else you can spend $5000 upwards on both for special cases but it just doesn't add up for the run of the mill production.
@craving: please don't go down this route man. it doesn't lead anywhere good
next you'll be questioning why a high end push bike costs more than a Kawasaki Ninja, even though the push bike doesn't come with an engine
Because it doesn't, you're talking one extreme vs standard. Which isn't apple to apple. This is not an extreme case. If you just talking about a decent push bike which costs a few grand still a lot less than a decent motorbike. Anyway, each to their own. If you're happy to pay hundreds of dollars for a push bike helmet then good for you. It'll keep our economy running smoother.
@craving: I wouldn't personally buy one, but it also doesn't surprise me that people do, knowing how much people spend on bike stuff in general
With cycling, it seems like there's a fairly extreme pointy end that's designed for professionals, but most commonly bought by executive types with more money than ability. I'm not saying that this is what this helmet is (I imagine there's far more expensive ones), but I feel like the high end probably lends to a warped definition of "mid range"
You need to compare like to like in terms of the design and quality level. I see Motor bike helmet as cheap as $120 brand new and as high as $1k. For push bike helmet, as cheap as $10 per jv link and as high as $500 one (excluding TT bike helmet). For me even if I am not willing to spend a fortune on bike helmet , I would either buying a brand new outgoing model/on sale model like this
https://www.bicyclesuperstore.com.au/products/giro-helios-sp…
than anything cheaper than $100 RRP. It is pretty much the only thing to save my life/brain if I fall at a speed over 30km.
Of course if you are cruising down the footpath @ 10 - 15 km/h, you may not need an high end bike helmet. Personally I would say POC RRP is seriously over prices Made in China. When they are on sale over 50% off, it is definitely acceptable,
@JCRALLYART: Arai is one of those $1k motorcycle helmet manufacturers. This is what goes into making one of them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEosbaSJK44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RNwiU1Y3HY
After looking at that can you seriously tell me high end bicycle helmets are fairly priced at half of an Arai = $500?
I think its all about end user/target market. Someone mentioned above bicycles are targeted at execs and ceos and they charge these clearly inflated prices because their target will pay it. Goes with their rolex/7 series etc etc
Motorcycles are not primarily ridden by execs/ceos if they were I'm sure they would suddenly cost $3/4k per helmet!
@ChatCPT: I am saying when they are on sale @ around half the price (yes, I have spent around $300 on a bike helmet but not on POC (china made), I bought Kask Protone (Made in Italy). You not only paying for just the name, cheap and expensive helmet different in weight, airflow, as well as areo dynamic.
I know people spent $3K for a home office chair and they say worth every penny, people spent $15K for a road push bike when their cars only worth double the bike. It really depend individual needs. For me, a helmet last me over 10 years easily (not looking for a fall in my mind of course)
@ChatCPT: $3/4k per helmet?
Hold my beer/champagne:
https://caferacerclub.com.au/products/ruby-helmets
Admittedly I was willing to spend that much but held back when I read that they were made in China and there were fallout with the brand owners and the manufacturer.
BTW I swear my life with Arai Helmets (Yes they do also offer +5k helmets for racers). I think the amount of money Arai spends on the quality assurance process equates to the expensive price. Their helmet designs are relatively the same for the last 2 decades.
@mikaelkn: yeh im not dumb enough to buy those when I can get 2+ arais for that AND Arai are better.
Arai sell the exact same model used by motogp riders for $1k
(I got mine for $700 on sale - ozbargainer after all)
Whereas the lance Armstrongs probably want more than that! and dont tell me the materials cost more or they do more R&D than legendary Arai!
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/15202936/redir
It's sound logic tho Rosebank. Einstein had a brain, JV has a brain. Ergo……
Funnily enough, I bought a K-mart lid because I left my POC helmet behind on a 5 day trip.
These are a great deal, but it was like wearing a wet sponge on my head.
The most uncomfortable experience on a long ride. By day 3 it had already started to fall apart. Yeah expensive helmets may be past the point of diminishing returns but I still have POC helmets from over a decade that are still used regularly and have no signs of falling apart and are supremely comfortable
Next time, try the Big W ones.
They appear to be endorsed by @rosebank
(Don't forget to use your Everyday rewards 10% off a Big W shop of the extra discount)
The only thing that is falling apart on my 5 year old Aldi helmet that I paid $20 is the attached 'Velcro' lining. I am yet to see a bike helmet with a decent lining akin to a motorcycle helmet, that can withstand years of use without falling apart. I'm happy to be proven wrong as long as the price is within reason. Would this Ventral Mips be one of them with a retail price over $400?
If you wear one 5 days a week for hours a day, you will find out. Comfort and construction are important.
If you have just the odd pedal, then get a cheapy. They'll both protect you fine; even the MIPS is a questionable asset.
I was sponsored by POC (through work) so have a lot of their gear. I have never liked the look of them but they fit well and provide really good ventilation which are the areas cheap helmets don't do so well.
As for your question, my cheap one had this awful sponge padding that filled with sweat and broke up, the rim squashed into my forehead and the plastic outer shell rattled!!
@justaddwater: Just the mountain bike industry. Would love to say it was because of my racing talents but that would be an outright lie.
They're pretty generous with their products and we are all pretty happy to use their gear
@slipperypete: A good lid and boots are super important for bicycles and motorcycles. Sure you can save money on other parts/accessories, but I don't skimp on helmets and tyres.
@slipperypete: what do you guys do with your helmets?!
I have a cheap $25 one I used regularly for a year and its as crispy fresh as the day I got it.
Even been through a crash together
over a decade ago? you wearing expired helmets doesn't = value
you should have replaced it 3+ times by now
https://mipsprotection.com/helmet-safety/how-long-do-helmets…
They are clearly talking about helmets which get DAILY (or frequent) use.
Same goes for helmets involved in a crash. If the crash didn't involve helmet impact then it should be okay to continue to use it.
From the same link:
Better safe than sorry
Most people know that a helmet should be replaced after a major crash. Sometimes it’s obvious, but not always. Even a lighter crash that you walk away from could affect the EPS padding in a way that makes the helmet unsuitable for further use. Even if the protective EPS appears to retake its usual shape, you can’t be sure that it can absorb the energy and offer the same level of protection in a second impact. A crash could also affect things like straps and fit systems, which are vital for properly securing the helmet to your head. In other words: not replacing your helmet after a crash means unnecessarily cutting into safety margins.
slipperypete: I still have POC helmets from over a decade that are still used regularly
you really want to argue the definition of pete's use of the term regularly
@ChatCPT: You've chosen to interpret what slipperypete meant by regular, suggest the helmet was "expired" (roflmao) AND misprepresent what the link said. Simple answer is to ask slipperypete what was meant . There are so many variables involved that the authors of that link would expect common sense be used.
@Igaf: 10+ years of regular use and you and you are still arguing its not enough to equal 3-5 years of DAILY use (your definition btw not the experts)
I know you love your overpriced helmets but take if off once in a while. Looks like its affecting your head
@ChatCPT: Look up the word regular - and hyoocrisy while you're at it.
Daily use wasn't my interpretation, something you'd know IF you bothered to read your own link. "Daily use also takes its toll on a helmet – even if you treat it carefully…..**
Your assumption as to the condition of slipperypete's helmet(s) is nonsense, as is your interretation of the link. Using the same "logic", based on simplistic reading of the link we could level the same criticism of you - despite not knowing what your accident involved.
I know you love your overpriced helmets but take if off once in a while.
Judging by your comments here, what you think you know and what you actually know are polar opposites
@Igaf: Aw. okay big fella and take it easy on the grog too. you're slurring
Which actually explains your logic
Off you go now. Its Monday morning and I don't have time for you
@ChatCPT: The word you're looking for is "you're". It's short for "you are", as in: "You're yet again making erroneous assumptions."
Off you go now. Its Monday morning and I don't have time for you
Yet you had time to give slipperypete some gratuitous advice. I'm shocked.
MIPS
I came off my bike about 2 months ago, and my head hit really hard. During the impact, I could feel the helmet "give" as the MIPS system progressively rotated inside the helmet. Fully conscious through the whole process, and no lasting impact.
My wife is a GP and immediately bought a MIPS helmet for everyone in this house.
The KMart helmet might be Australian standards, however MIPS is a much higher standard of protection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-directional_Impact_Prote…
JFC you really want to die on this hill defending your ridiculous equivalence of a $10 Kmart helmet to this? Go take a walk outside and calm down. The product is clearly not meant for you.
Not only are MIPS helmets are objectively and unequivocally better at protecting you against brain injury. The price is also differentiated because of other metrics like comfort, adjustability, durability, style.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10439-019-02330-0…
Yeah, I had to buy a helmet for a toddler recently, I went with a $90 one instead of $25 from Kmart mostly for looks/design and colour.
I feel better about mu purchase knowing that some ppl spend closer to 200 for this boring looking things.
That’s a sad consumerist way of looking at it, what about about all the kids that used cheap helmets during 2000s..
So you paid extra for a helmet that won't fit the kid in 6 months, just for looks!
That's the same as buying kid Nikes. Total consumerism
These helmets will still be worn for many many years. Yeah mostly by people who want function over fashion
Yeah, I was thinking along the same lines initially. But can't be that utilitarian about everything when it comes to my first-born 😄
At the smallest setting It's a bit large for him - just fine with a thin hat underneath ( for the winter season), I recon I can get more that 6 months out of it.
It will be used by the next kid probably.
@ripprind: I don't have kids but I would probably do the same. At least it's an excuse to have another 😉
What a noob, just trying to get his post counts up.
jv has a $10 head.
before buying a helmet, consider checking:
But only if you really value your brain and want to protect it. Possibly too late already in some cases
$430 RRP for a helmet what a joke. Wouldnt buy the discounted one out of principle.
Wouldnt buy the discounted one out of principle.
Then what the heck are you doing on Ozbargain? It's literally why we're all on here, because we recognise RRPs are a joke!
POC sales (with the exception of the one we weren't supposed to get https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/790744) are so annoying, almost never have stock in sizes other than small or extra-small. It feels borderline bait and switch.
They make good products and but their sales are just a waste of time. :(
Hmmm im not sure actually why this is so expensive, even for a helmet with MIPS, the Giant helmet i got was for free but retails at $80.
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/au/compel-mips-helmet but then again, Giant also sell another MIPS helmet for $365… Shrugs i got no idea.
What's so special with MIPS?
It's like buying watches. You can go without one and just use your phone. A $10 Aliexpress watch will do the job. But if we're talking about real ruggedness, get a $80 G-Shock which is practically indestructable. Or with divers; a Steeldive is rated at 200m but is it really? I'd rather trust my Sinn U1.
my skx might have chapter misalignment, but at least I know it's iso certified for 200m
which is why i wear it in the pool sometimes
Yeah because Seiko make legit divers, and have been doing it for decades.
LOL thanks for the comparison to watches, but in regards from a safety perspective, i thought MIPS is just MIPS, not that it varied between price tiers, but i dont know much about helmets in comparison to watches lol
Yeah I know, I could never understand why a $10 quartz watch is more accurate than a Rolex.
Just for reference, MIPS is a set of technologies in a helmet that help prevent rotational injuries. However there's still a world of difference between different helmets using MIPS, and even among helmets not using MIPS. In the context of a car, MIPS might be a side-impact airbag - it's a part of a safety picture that includes other airbags, crumble zones, and general design, but it doesn't completely determine how safe the car is for the occupants.
Virginia Tech is a well known source of reputable helmet testing ( see here: https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/bicycle-helmet-ratings.html ), and as can be seen MIPS (or MIPS equivalent tech) generally outperforms helmets that lack the tech, but there's still a wide range of performances available.
@SkgTriptych: Yep I normally compare MIPS to an ABS in a car. The rotational impact reduction is like letting the brade pad not lock when hitting the brake.
But thanks for clarifying the other attributes
@maverickjohn: brakes are active safety measures - helmets, seat belts, airbags are passive
as an enhancement, MIPS is to helmets as pretensioners are to seat belts
My $10 Aliexpress watch is more accurate than my friend's Rolex.
So is a a G-Shock. We're talking about ruggedness and water resistance here. I never mentioned Rolex.
Try to keep up.
@rosebank: Helmets shouldn't be used again after being in an accident, they do not need to be 'rugged'. Just need to serve their purpose…
@jv: G-Shocks a known for their impact resistance, hence the name. I used "ruggedness" because that's what came to mind. No point arguing about semantics.
@rosebank: All helmets that comply to Australian standards meet or exceed the standard required for impact absorbing.
I bought a POC helmet in the last deal. Very happy with the quality and features, would buy again.
If you’re in the market at this price point you won’t be disappointed.
I knew my head was 56cm, ordered based on this size and it fits perfectly. Very comfortable.
I knew my head was 56cm
Diameter ?? 😲
Some people only need $10 kmart ones for commuting ride but idiots need these to save their head as I see so many ride bikes on highway
Makes sense, although all those elite "idiots" riding professionally who wear this or similar helmets possibly won't agree.
Good point tho, I think I saw a Vuelta peleton veer off towards KMart recently.
those elite "idiots" riding professionally who wear this or similar helmets possibly won't agree.
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c11fbd8f698f4e525455b…
I'm sure Lance Armstrong's your hero but that's relevant because?
Hardly. Sometimes inherited, depending on where you were born, raised, educated etc
Thank god for your family’s inbreeding then
is that why you are looking for a sharehouse in bluemountains?
Go a helmet, thanks. Anyone find any deals for knee and elbow pads? Been looking to try learn to skate!
Anyone find any deals for knee and elbow pads?
Let me know if you ever find a POC Octal MIPS in Large size and matte black.
Always farkin out of stock everywhere. Wish I didn't have such a large noggin
Ah, the good old Ozbargain quandary: why spend more for quality, longevity, testing, comfort, etc., especially if it can save you from death or worse, brain damage, when you can get something that remotely resembles the same for a lot less?
Let me guess a BYD is same as tesla as well?
I got hit by a car when I was riding my motorbike. Big impact on my head, but I was wearing a Shoei lid. Bike was a write-off, I escaped with a few scrapes and bruises, no broken bones or concussion.
Impressive false equivalence argument there.
Look at the safety ratings for the Giant Rev helmet ($140 RRP) or the specialised align ($80) vs the best rated POC helmet ($349). Comfort is individual.
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