Pigeons Got in above My Garage Door, and Pooped on Everything in There. Real Estate Delayed Acting on It

Hi OzBargain, I'm after a bit of a sanity check here, to make sure I'm not acting like an entitled prick.

I've spent too long in the weeds of this and could do with some outside perspective. It's a bit of a long one sorry, but I do have a TL;DR at the bottom.

I live in south west Sydney, in an apartment block that has individual lock-up garages. My garage door used to have a gap above it, about 10-12cm high, across the full width of the door. As far as I can tell, it was built that way - just a poor fit, not any missing/broken chunks or anything. A couple of pigeons got in through this gap, and took up residence in my garage for maybe a month before I noticed, as I wasn't using the garage that often. They built nests on top of some things, laid eggs, and shat all over the floor and all of my belongings in the garage.

I have a bunch of shelving and workbench, lots of power tools and woodworking equipment, a spare mini fridge, 2 portable air conditioners, a near new spare queen mattress, some vintage car parts from when my dad passed away in early 2022, a whole heap of stuff.

I contacted the real estate, who acknowledged the email the same day, and then did diddly squat. When I followed it up two months later, it took them another month to organise their handyman to come out and tack up a bit of wood over the gap while I wasn't home. It was a good thing I went down there to measure the gap for him and hopefully make his job easier - I noticed it had already been done, and he had actually trapped the poor pigeons in there. I had to go in and chase the little (profanity) out with a broom and then close it up again.

Now, given that it was the pre-existing state of the property, from before I moved in, I would think it's the owner's responsibility to pay for cleaning my stuff. Obviously if I could have foreseen that gap being a problem, I never would have stored my belongings in there until it was dealt with. I'm also considered immunocompromised, because some of the medications I take suppress my immune system. So I can't risk saying (profanity) it and doing the cleaning myself.

The REA's opinion, of course, is that my stuff is my problem. And that I should also be responsible for cleaning the garage itself, as if I were to move out, I'd need to return it in the same state I got it or be held liable.

The kicker is, these pigeons got in there some time back in July 2022. I first notified the real estate on 5 August 2022. They acknowledged the email, but then, radio silence. I emailed them again on 14 October 2022. Some phone calls later, the board went up across the top mid November 2022. Over two years, many followups, and three property managers later (not to mention dozens of verbal promises along the lines of "we'll follow it up with the owner and see what he says"), I finally managed to get a response in writing two weeks ago. They have "graciously" offered that the owner will pay half the cleaning cost for the garage structure itself, i.e. only the walls and floor - absolutely nothing for my stuff. By which I assume they mean getting their handyman out with a gerni for half an hour, and calling it a day.

To be honest, I think I'm being far more reasonable than I should be. All I'm after is a thorough cleaning of whatever can be salvaged, and assistance disposing of anything that can't (like I assume the mattress is just dead, even though it was in a plastic wrap). I feel like if I escalated this to mediation/NCAT, I would be able to push for a) replacement of things that can't be cleaned, and b) compensation for the time I've been without use of my garage due to the real estate/landlords lack of action. I don't really want to have to go to any of that effort, I just want my garage and my things cleaned up so I can get back to pottering around with my little projects.

So, tell me, do you think I'm being a dickhead here? Should the landlord pay for my things to be cleaned?
Or should I just suck it up and accept that "my stuff, my problem"?

TL;DR

Two years ago, pigeons got into my garage through a pre-existing gap above the door, nested, and shat all over the garage and my stuff. Despite countless follow-ups, the real estate delayed fixing the issue, and now the landlord is only offering to cover half the cost of cleaning the garage itself - and nothing for my enshitted stuff. Am I being unreasonable in wanting them to pay for cleaning or replacing my belongings, since the issue was due to a defect in the property? Should I escalate this to mediation/NCAT, push for a better compromise, or just drop it entirely to avoid stress and potential retaliation?

Comments

  • +14

    cool story, sucks about the pidgeons, but it was a fun read. good luck.
    I have no advice. You can try claiming on your contents insurance, but its two years ago, so they probably don't care anymore.

      • +5

        You never want insurance until you need it

      • If your house got robbed tomorrow. Then someone tells you that you should get content insurance. Will you say "i already got robbed so i dont need it now"

  • +3

    If it were north west sydney then I'd have the perfect solution.

    Good luck

  • +3

    wasn't using the garage that often

    Got a tarp (to cover your stuff until things clear up)?

  • +34

    You could take the Pigeons to NCAT.

    I'm surprised the real estate didn't increase your rent for subletting out your garage.

    Lucky you got rid of the pigeons now because under squatters rights the garage would be theirs after 12 years.

    • +11

      Fixed

      under squabbers rights

    • I'm surprised the real estate didn't increase your rent for subletting out your garage.

      LOL now there's a take. Or perhaps I should be paying them more for graciously allowing me to keep the surprise pets.

    • Cats are busy eating outside our local KFC's and getting insanely obese

  • +13

    I don't think there is a clear answer on this one. I think unlike a house, it's not necessarily unreasonable for birds to get into a garage or shed. If it was a garden shed, I think it would be more on the tenant to cover up any gaps etc where the birds are getting in and to remove any nests etc. For an apartment block with underground lock up parking, it may be more on the landlord. But the primary purpose of the garage is for car parking and not storing items. So it may be reasonable for you to expect birds/insects/spiders/dust etc if storing items there and to take precautions.

    • +2

      It's an old-ass block of apartments, I think the REA at the inspection mentioned it was built in like, the 40s or 50s? When I first moved in, I still had the old-old "push a piece of wire into grips" kind of fuses, which I think were replaced by actual little glass tube type fuses in maybe the 60s. The garages form the bottom floor of the building. This was the gap before the handyman put a board up over it.

      You can see how I never even considered it as a potential problem. Especially when you consider the giant gap above the neighbours' one, easily twice as high. But there was some sort of downpipe running down the outside of the building that cuts in above the neighbours' garage door, so at least the presence of a gap there is understandable.

  • -4

    Even the tl;dr is too long. FFS.

    • +23

      TL;DR TL;DR

      Bird poop on things. Real estate useless. Landlord won't pay. What do?

      • +4

        ChatGPT is getting better!

  • +4

    While I understand your predicament, I would have sucked it up and payed someone to clean it if I couldn't do it myself. It will end up costing you way more in increased rent for bothering the landlord than a cleaner would cost.

  • +22

    If your stuff is valuable, check on it. You rented the place with the gap above the garage door, it wasn't something that changed. Clean your own stuff. Really not sure how you can think it's anyone else fault but your own you didn't check on it, do you think the landlord should have paid a bird inspector to check your garage every week?

  • +23

    You knew there was a gap. The end. /thread

  • Chat to the NSW Tenants Union. They should be able to give you an idea on where you sit here. Best of luck.

    • -3

      My phantom negger stalker at it again.

      • why are we bypassing the hard r?

        • I have no idea why providing good advice is getting me negatives. The tenancy union would be the group who could provide him with the best information on where he stands here. Someone keeps negging no matter what comments I make hoping I will give up commenting but I won’t.

          • @try2bhelpful: Are the neggers in the room with you right now? Seriously though, maybe someone simply doesn't agree with your post, and thinks it would be a waste of time calling them as OP is obviously at fault. No, I didn't neg you.

            • @brendanm: No, I’ve just noticed the pattern. If the OP is “clearly at fault” then this will be confirmed by the tenants union. These people know the law and how it would be applied. They are certainly better placed than anyone here to provide advice.

              • +1

                @try2bhelpful: I'm not saying they won't be able to, I'm trying to tell you why people may neg you. Even if someone does neg you, who gives a shit.

                • @brendanm: Frankly I didn’t care about neggers until I picked up a stalker. All I’m doing is calling them out. If they want to neg me then have the guts to say why.

                  If people are going to neg good advice they should explain what they object to. The tenants union will give the OP accurate advice on what the law is here. I suspect most of the people commenting here do not have a clue what the legal stance is here. Frankly I don’t either which is why I recommend the OP talk to someone who does.

                  • @try2bhelpful: If you keep talking about the negger it will never go away. I had one for a few days then it got bored because I didn't react.

                    • @Loopholio: Might try that for a while. Here's hoping the coward also has a short attention span.

      • +3

        What did you just call him?

  • +14

    The kicker is, these pigeons got in there some time back in July 2022. I first notified the real estate on 5 August 2022. They acknowledged the email, but then, radio silence. I emailed them again on 14 October 2022. Some phone calls later, the board went up across the top mid November 2022. Over two years

    This is like 2 years on? And you're still dealing with it/thinking about it/negotiating a solution?
    You could have gotten out some rags, spray and wipe, a bucket of water and cleaned it up yourself in what, an hour?

    I've spent too long in the weeds of this and could do with some outside perspective.

    move on, look after or own things, clean up some bird sh*t, wear sunscreen…

    How do you not have more 'life' related 'life things' to deal with if this is something that goes on for 2 years :/

    • +1

      You should started and finished with wear sunscreen and that would have been perfect.

      • +1

        "But trust me on the sunscreen"

        Such a cool song from over 25 years back. I mentioned it to a friend of similar vintage to me and was very surprised they had never listened to it.

        For those that haven't heard it or need a reminder of it's wisdom:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJ7AzBIJoI

    • +1

      Agreed, I hate pigeons pooping all over my roof and birds trying to nest in my gutters/ceiling as well but I take action right away. There is no excuse for leaving it for 2 months let alone 2 years. I don't send emails to try and get other people to fix "building defects". It's normal for an automatic garage door to have a gap at the top, that's how all doors operate. Some are bigger than others, you need to take action on the vermin that can enter your premises if you care about your belongings/health.

  • +4

    If you were rewlly that worried about it you should have jept on them at the start. Leaving it for 2 years kinda indicates you arent that worried about it.

    Suck it up, fix it yourself now.

    Sometimes you just have to take some responsibility.

  • +3

    since the issue was due to a defect in the property? Should I escalate this to mediation/NCAT, push for a better compromise, or just drop it entirely to avoid stress and potential retaliation?

    No need to ask us, you can take it to NCAT with the Pigeons and let us know the outcome :)

    • +1

      you can take it to NCAT with the Pigeons

      Those pigeons flew away without leaving a forwarding address with the OP.
      Now, how will he serve them a copy of his NCAT application so that they can be added in as a joint Respondent?

      • +1

        They're homing pigeons.

      • +5

        If that the case, pigeons will take OP to the high courts.

  • Im happy I dont rent anymore, anyway it took some time for you to realise and its a bit of a tricky one as the damage has been done. Can you orgnaise someone to clean your possessions or just put on a good mask etc and do yourself ?

    • +4

      This would have happened even if OP was the owner.

  • -1

    OP needs to use google to figure out how to get the REA/Landlord to fix things.

  • +15

    Hold on. So the board went up, like 12 weeks after you raised it?
    Which is pretty short considering it wasn't broken, and was like that for all previous tenants.

    And you have left bird shit on your own belongings for 2 years? While demanding someone else clean it?

    To be honest, I think I'm being far more reasonable than I should be.

    This might be one of the least true things ever written. There is no obligation on the owner or real estate to clean your stuff. It's a garage. A bird got in. Wildlife gets into places some times.

  • -1

    There's a gap in the garage next to yours too, it seems like unfortunately the pigeons simply decided to nest in your garage instead of elsewhere.

    How long were the pigeons there before you realised? Sadly when it comes to renting you just have to do things yourself sometimes (within reason), REAs are useless and there are a lot of slumlords out there. I probably would've gone up there with a ladder and shoo'd them out before they made too much of a mess.

    Do you have photos of your stuff with the bird poo all over it? How much is it worth and can it actually be cleaned?

  • Obviously if I could have foreseen that gap being a problem, I never would have stored my belongings in there until it was dealt with.

    But you think this was foreseeable for the RE/Landlord and want them to pay?

  • +3

    https://www.nsw.gov.au/housing-and-construction/rules/pests-…

    So between July and August some pigeons got in. Let's assume the damage was done then. Your claim would be that the landlord was negligent in not ensuring the garage was bird-proof. But you yourself acknowledge that it was not foreseeable.

    Then it took from August to October for the landlord to bird-proof the garage. Remarkably - and by far the strangest part of the story - the pigeons were still there. No one thought to remove them? There are companies that literally provide that service. Did you ask to have the birds removed, or just advise them that birds had entered and caused damage? If the latter, they would have reasonably assumed the birds are gone. In any case, if your claim here was that the delay in action by the landlord was negligent as it contributed to the damage of your belongings, this would be tempered by the fact that you could have taken reasonably straightforward measures to protect your property (covering it) and prevent further damage (having the birds removed).

    So I don't think you have a chance on either of the above.

    However you could reasonably argue that the cleaning of the garage - being as a result of the existing condition of the property and the landlord's inaction in rectifying it, and given you notified them of it in a reasonable timeframe - is their responsibility.

    • this would be tempered by the fact that you could have taken reasonably straightforward measures to protect your property (covering it) and prevent further damage (having the birds removed).

      Also that if you went in and found bird poop you could have cleaned it immediately and covered with a tarp. Which also mitigates the damage.

  • This person’s plight can be allegorised with romantic movie themes as follows:

    “Titanic”: Much like Rose clinging to the floating debris in icy waters, this individual is desperately holding onto fairness and dignity in a sea of neglect and apathy. The real estate agency and landlord, like the ship’s crew, failed to address the structural issue that set the disaster in motion, leaving this person to fend for themselves amidst the wreckage of pigeon droppings and ruined belongings.

    “The Fault in Our Stars”: This is a story of love (or in this case, trust) betrayed by circumstance. They moved into the apartment with the hope of a safe, functional space, but like Hazel and Gus, they find their journey marred by the unexpected—pigeons, gaps, and an immune system that can’t weather the fallout of neglect.

    “Notting Hill”: Like Hugh Grant’s character encountering Julia Roberts’ famous actress in his small, unassuming life, this individual didn’t ask for pigeons to take center stage. Yet here they are, in a deeply frustrating and absurd situation, trying to make sense of their life while their landlord (unlike the attentive Julia) barely acknowledges their role in the drama.

    “Pretty Woman”: The classic trope of someone rising above being treated unfairly resonates here. Instead of being recognized for their patience and cooperation, this tenant is left holding the broom, quite literally chasing out pigeons, as if scrubbing floors and salvaging belongings weren’t beyond the scope of reasonable tenant duties.

    “La La Land”: This journey mirrors the disillusionment and heartbreak of aspiring for a better life, only to face harsh realities. Like Sebastian’s jazz bar dream or Mia’s acting career struggles, this person just wanted a functioning garage—a space for tools, memories, and comfort. Instead, they’re stuck in a prolonged waltz with apathy and excuses.

    This tale, like many romantic stories, is about an individual caught between the dreams they had for their space and the cold indifference of those responsible for its upkeep.

    • Ah, perhaps a movie is required, op meets pigeon, pigeon falls for op, landlord poops in garage and op blames pigeon.

    • How many FFP have you got from ChatGPT, now?

      • What is FFP?

        • +1

          Frequent Flyer Points

          • @Protractor: Without getting specific, ChatGPT convinced an IP lawyer from dropping their claim and paying me $10,000. She didn’t even know she was talking to an AI through the emails. It took a little hand holding, but Chat demolished her case with little input from me, just copying and pasting the contents of all her cited precedents which she obviously didn’t read herself.

            • @AustriaBargain: Good for you. And no doubt on the other side of the coin plenty of AHs will use ChatGPT will to escape justice, and leave victims of their crimes in their wake.

              The only positive I see is unemployed dodgy lawyers piled up at the tip.

              • @Protractor: She was a lazy lawyer. She's done her fair share of mindless copying and pasting when she was meant to be "zealously" representing her client, and she was paid herself for her services. The world is (profanity) mate. You can't trust anyone.

  • Lucky, you just had Pigeons, I had a Possum moved in through the garage door gap a few months ago. Make noises all night.

    • Brap brap! I'm prime possum!

      Better get a possum trap out.

    • My neighbors thought they had a possum in the roof. Called in the pest people. Turned out it was rats. The pest people chased it out of their place into mine. (Hey, maybe I ought to ask OzB if I can sue my neighbor and/or their pest people!) When I trapped it in the wall cavity the little bastard actually chewed a hole through the plasterboard wall to get out.

      But it turned out I had an ally. It turns out cockatoos really really hate rats. When the cockatoo saw the rat it chased it. The rat hid. The cockatoo tried to dig it out. When it failed it waited on the shed roof watching until the rat came out, then swooped down, grabbed it by the tail and took off.

      The local council isn't happy with the cockatoo though, because as well as hating rats it hates snakes, and kills them. And it thinks coloured extension cords and hoses are snakes. Including the mauve plastic recycled water piping for the sprinkler system in the reserve next door.

      • At one barbeque a kookaburra swooped down and grabbed a sausage. It then took it up into a tree and started belting it into the branch like it was a snake.it was worth losing the sausage to watch the bird do this.

        • The difference is that cockatoos hate snakes, whereas kookaburras love them. As in yum yum.

          • @GordonD: Absolutely. We just thought I was funny the Kookaburra was trying to kill a sausage.

  • For God's sake, go clean up the shit already or pay someone to do it then worry about whose fault it is.

  • +1

    That pigeon problem can only be foreseen by a Fortune teller.

    • In asian culture, a bird nesting inside a house is considered a good omen.

  • +1

    The only way you could have won some compensation is if you continually cleaned up the mess and proved that the landlord knew of the issue yet didn’t fix it. Even then you would only be awarded costs for the cleaning which is attributable to mess caused by the delay in the landlord acting.

    Unfortunately you let the mess accumulate and didn’t take any mitigating action. Though unfortunate, I don’t think it is reasonably foreseeable that pigeons would have taken up residence due to the gap. In the end you are responsible for keeping the property clean.

    • The only way you could have won some compensation is if you continually cleaned up the mess and proved that the landlord knew of the issue yet didn’t fix it

      Even this isn't correct. I doubt the landlord every claimed it was bird proof, and the gap was above the door when OP moved in, and when the building was constructed by the look of it. It is not damage or a defect. OP is just too lazy to look after their stuff, and also too lazy to clean it.

  • Putting this example to the extreme, say you moved into a house with a faulty door knob, you were locking it every day, but unbeknownst to you or the landlord, the lock wasn't actually working, and a thief "broke" in, would you hold the landlord responsible?

    Genuine question, not trying to be a **ckhead.

    • +1

      A lock that should be working that you can't see a fault with vs a gaping giant hole in a garage that isn't meant to be bird proof to start with.

  • +6

    i'm confused. the garage is not required to be a airtight bird proof enclosure. i'm missing the part where it's the REA/landlord's problem?

  • +4

    Mate, you had all these power tools and couldn’t knock something up. Clean what you can, dispose what you can’t. Move fking on FFS. First world problem.

    • +1

      it'd literally take a 15-30 minutes DIY project to put up a bird proof net/grid over the gap

  • Hang up a fake bird to scare them

    • Did you read the OP?

  • If rats infested your kitchen and shat everywhere I'm sure you would reasonably determine that's just an unfortunate situation. There are no guarantee's of any home being vermin proof, much less a garage.

  • If you can live with the dirty garage, I wouldn't be contributing to cleaning it. Garage was not pigeon-proof, so pigeons making a mess of landlord's garage is thier problem.

    But it wasn't a fit place to store stuff without protection, so cleaning your stuff is on you.

  • -1

    Is it a roller door? A gap can exist if it's mounted near the top of the door opening to accommodate the diameter of the door when rolled up. Does it still open ok?

    • To the person who negged - do you have a reason? I'd love to hear it.

  • +1

    If you didn't notice for a month, that is honestly on you.

    It's your job to reduce further damage if safe once you notice. Not noticing after a month of pigeon crap building up is a bit over the top.

  • +1

    I think that regardless of finding the right clause to fight this one, it might not be as worth it. Considering you're only pursuing cleaning costs, I would just take the half contribution and foot the rest. It's been two years, and it's not worth it on your sanity and time. Is it fair? Perhaps not, but I don't think anything is fair in life. The process and time to go fight this, and then have the landlord get annoyed and find an excuse to boot you out would just be not worth it.

    I know you're like, so I just bow down and let people take advantage? You can keep pressing and take it to the NCAT, but just weigh up if the process and time, and stress is worth it.

    Like someone mentioned, it could be hard to determine who's at fault, as a garage is really intended to park your car in it. If the pigeons damaged your car only with bird poo, I am sure the owners would have been fine with covering cost of cleaning the car then.

    I've seen people storing their personal items in carpark spots in apartment complexes, where it's just a cage but end up having water damage all their belongings from flooded sewer and burst pipes, but not much they can follow up on but try and claim their contents insurance for that.

    Anyways, all the best, and does it suck, sure does, but just put your mental health at first.

  • Unless dozens of pigeons with dysentery flew in, all at once, you bear most of the responsibility. Guano lode is not an overnight phenomena. You either slept through or ignored the obvious signs. Your stuff, your responsibility.

  • +6

    NCAT

    That would put the nCAT amongst the pigeons.

    • +1

      Boom tish!

      (here all day?)

      • (here all day?)

        hopefully :)

        • Got any 'pigeon walks into a bar' jokes?

          • @Protractor: None off the top of my head, so I'd be winging it.

            • +1

              @bdl: Pigeon walks into a pub & sits at the bar.
              It was a stool pigeon

  • Pigeons used to be domesticated. They love us. Like a flying cat.

  • jesus even the TL;DR is long

  • "enshitted"
    hope I can remember that one for future use
    .

  • +1

    confirmed "to make sure I'm not acting like an entitled prick"

    you are… its bird shit.. in a garage… imagine the horror….

    Cleaner is 40% off a woolworths.. can probably work out how to use it, they have instructions on the bottle.

  • took up residence in my garage for maybe a month before I noticed, as I wasn't using the garage that often

    Lol.

  • You left it from August to October with them active in there?

    I imagine at August it wasn't too bad otherwise you would have demanded cleaning then.

    Should have shoo'd them out in August and covered the gap as a temporary fix.

    Matress will be fine if in a plastic bag.

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