Wish to Relocate to USA. Any Suggestions?

My wife and I are Australian citizens, in early 30’s and seriously considering relocating to New York. We are in a position where if either of us gets a job in US, we can wrap up everything here and move within a month. I work in Asset Management in Investment industry, and my wife in Digital marketing.

Primary reasons to move:

  • 50x more career opportunities for me and probably 10x for my wife
  • Higher pay
  • my strong belief that US economy will become much more resilient and strong in coming years
  • NY lifestyle (lots to do, nightlife etc.)

It’s still early days, but I have been looking for work on East coast but the biggest challenge I am facing is the recruiters don’t understand what E3 visa is and don’t want to sponsor anyone from overseas.

On the other side my wife is still contemplating if it will be a good move for us? She is 80% convinced but due to remaining 20%, haven’t started applying for jobs. Her entire extended family lives on East coast and suggest we should move there too.

Could anyone please share their views if:

  1. It’s a good decision to move to New York from Sydney?
  2. Any suggestions on how can we break into the job market there?

Thanks for your time.

Comments

    • not for long.. cheeto batman has it in for the Canadians

      • Do people not yet realize he'll likely do the exact same to Australia after Canada? That these conquerors never stop and are never satisfied? I don't look forward to a potential future of being a US 'territory' with their healthcare and gun laws but no voting power, paying a regular protection tribute to the Trump crime family.

        • nah, that's giving him too much credit - just today he asked "AUKUS? what's that?"
          the negative effect he will have on Australia will be out of pure incompetence

  • +1

    seriously considering relocating to New York

    Yes yes YEEESS!…. nah?

    G'luck to OP, all the best. See you back soon (in a month).

    • Yeah OK NYC looks a LOT more like a terrifying apocalyptic near-future sci-fi movie than I thought…

    • The youtube videos just prove that NY is so good that no one wants to leave it.

  • +9

    Like others mentioned..

    1. Go there first on tourist visa and live for a while to get a feel for the place.
    2. For E3, you need offer letter which will be hard from here so when you are there on tourist visa, you network and try n get a offer letter.
    3. You can join MNCs like Deloitte or similar and move through them.

    If you don't have kids and can move easily, go for it man. You will have the experience and worst case you can always come back.

    • +6

      Yes, that’s a good idea.

      We don’t have kids, so we can experiment. And you are right, worst case, we return back if it doesn’t work out. Either way we won’t regret it, in the future.

      • +1

        It's sounds like you've been a bit right-wing-political-bubbled because you said you like the way the country is going in your intro, and a more balanced view is less optimistic about deeply incompetent leadership, regardless of which party or "side" of politics it co-opts.

        But you're right that living overseas is both an exciting adventure and a great learning experience at your stage of life. Even if it's not as great as you'd hoped, and you're back in a few years, you won't regret the growth and knowledge you gain.

        You'll see great things they do better, and appreciate the good stuff we have here more, too.

        As someone who's done this (though not in the US) Don't let the naysayers deter you.

  • +6

    Not advice on actual move but make sure you’re both really on board, wife being 80% is a worry imo

    Most international assignments (say if staying with current employer but relocating) end prematurely, the most common reason being family/spouse (this is all pre Covid data)
    Often the partner who doesn’t land the role finds it harder to find a role after the move or there are restrictions on work/visa. Leaving them even more socially isolated

  • +9

    I think a few years overseas is a great plan, and I suspect once you see what working in the USA is like it might temper your ideas about what a successful economy is.
    It is also a great opportunity to reinvent yourself and do new things, some extra travel etc.
    Is there scope for you or your spouse to get a job via your current roles? That might eliminate the issues with dealing with recruitment cold.

    Otherwise, save up enough as if you were going on a holiday for 3 months and just take your chances on finding work when you get there - if nothing else there are always plenty of short term contracts in white collar work.

    If it all doesn't work out, head home again, perhaps via some cheap countries for a bit of an adventure on the way home.
    So the worst case is you get a great break, and best case you find some new careers for yourselves.

    • That’s a great suggestion. My wife works for a small US headquartered company so she has a scope for transfer.

  • Plenty of jobs in America teaching English, if you know how to speak the lingo

  • +1

    The US economy is headed down the toilet, those in power are purposely destroying it so they have an excuse to go to war.

      • +1

        Firstly, what does this have to do with the economy? Biden inherited a quite frankly a shit economy from Trump, and handed something over much stronger.

        Second, what wars was Biden responsible for starting? If a hostile nation annexes another, how is that his fault? Using this logic, no pandemics happened under Biden, and Trump is responsible for COVID-19 (noting he did a TERRIBLE job of handling this, and many more Americans died than needed to).

        • +1

          Can you really blame Trump for the economy being shit late-2020/early 2021 in the middle of COVID?

        • Many argue that the Ukraine war was initiated by US efforts to integrate Ukraine into NATO, which provoked Russia by threatening its strategic interests. There are leading academics who support this view - i.e. John Mearsheimer.

      • Suddenly you pretend to care about wars.

  • +8

    The location matters. I am in the mid-planning stage to move to the US as well. I do intend to go over where I feel is the right place and Airbnb a few weeks to get a feel of the people and the lifestyle, before committing to it. It could also work to rent a caravan to go around the country for a few months (visa-allowing) and decide. I don't believe in hearsays; it has to be experienced first hand.

    • +1

      Oh nice, good to hear, you are in the same boat. That’s a great suggestion. You are right, it’s all about location, location, location.

      All the best!!

      • +1

        Thank you, you too <3

  • +8

    Texas (Houston) seems most like Australia in terms of climate and lack of crazy people

    • -2

      I am hearing from Americans as well that Texas is quite attractive for the reasons you mentioned.

    • +15

      Ha ha. This is sarcasm right?

      In 2024, Texas was ranked 49th out of 50 states for women's equality. Abortion almost fully prohibited.

      It’s one thing heading off with your wife to NY. It’s quite another to take her to Texas.

      Just saw you had no plans for kids. Be careful.

        • +18

          Who said I’m Aussie? You show a very limited understanding of the impact of anti abortion laws. Women die from it.

          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/30/texas-woman-…

          Project 2025 also wants to go after Plan B so that morning after pill night not be around much longer.

        • +29

          I’m always amazed by American conservatives’ obsession with saving the unborn, while they refuse to protect children from gun violence. Texas is home to a large number of these people.

        • Your alt plan seemed to fail, one generation back.

      • +1

        Why would you move from Sydney to New York which is even more expensive, dirty, and crime ridden. It's also in decline as real estate prices and taxes are killing growth and jobs are leaving as well as people.

        Texas is booming and rapidly becoming wealthy. Instead of living in an apartment and taking the subway where you might literally get burnt alive by a crazy person, you can have a house with a yard and a car.

        But yeah, I'm sure New York is a much better place to raise kids. If you really need your future daughter to have an abortion she can simply go interstate.

        • +2

          Houston has higher violent crime than NYC, Dallas is on par with NYC.

        • +1

          Ah, the great suburbia and traffic jams. Enjoy.

        • I've read that in Manhattan to get your kid into a good KINDERGARTEN you need to enrol them at conception if not before …

      • +3

        He's going there to work not get abortions.

        • He's proposing taking his wife, who is only 80% convinced to move to NY, to one of the most repressive parts of USA for women, with high levels of crime, at a time when USA is going through a period of turmoil (regardless of whether you think what Musk is doing is good or bad)

          And his post asked specifically whether people thought it was a good idea.

          So yeah, this is all relevant.

    • +6

      You get nice people everywhere in the US. Most southerners grew up with good values, same goes for most of the mid-west.

      Even in the big cities, I found drivers were more courteous than what you get in Melbourne or Sydney.

      Most Americans are proud to be American, and it's probably best not to talk politics to people.

      As mentioned before, if you don't plan on having kids, and the current administration doesn't cause a war and/or have the military take total control, then go for it.

      • Just make sure you are OKAY before heading over.

    • Yet Houston has a higher crime rate than NYC, which is apparently a reason not to move to NYC.

    • +1

      Joke right? Probably shouldn't joke like that as plenty of people will believe it. For the OP, houston/texas is some of the most crime ridden violent parts of the USA, it is crazy epicentre.

    • Been to Houston! Great WWE-style wrestling and barbecue food!

      But I don't know why you'd want to go from Australia, all the way to America, only to live in an even more hot and humid place, with it's own deadly wildlife (saw a lot of fire ants), and flooding.

      But no beaches. There was also an unofficial "black walmart" and "white walmart" too, in different neighbourhoods. Houses were much cheaper than Sydney though, unlike NYC.

  • +3

    How long are you looking to move there for? Are you planning to have kids? If no kids on the horizon, sure why not give it a try if you haven't lived overseas as yet. Having lived in 5 other countries, it's a lot different living somewhere than visiting. With these jobs you are looking at, wille you have time to enjoy yourselves? How do daily hours and vacation leave compare?

    If kids are a factor then it's it's another element to consider.

    • -1

      No plan for Kids, which makes it easier. Our jobs will be very straneous no doubt but we should be able to get a month of time off for ourselves every year. How has your experience been living in other countries? Would you do it all over again?

      • +1

        Fair enough, why not give it a shot then. Perhaps you need a recruiter who is use to hiring overseas staff. My experiences were great probably different as I was changing every couple of years and not always working professional roles.

        With an Australian passport we can go live in many other countries with ease under working holiday visas. I feel it's a wasted opportunity to not do so. Australia is a good place to grow up and then later raise a family though for the time inbetween there is a big world to get to know.

  • +11

    An Australian who thinks America is a better place to live going there? That's the way to improve both countries. Bye.

    • -1

      There are many different ways to measure this and it all depends on personal circumstances.

      Maybe OP is a gun loving Trump/Elon Stan and it suits him better.

      TBH our country has been doing shit on a number of metrics.

      Likewise I'd say USA is doing shit on many as well.

      The 4 up votes you have are typical non-thinkers that think Australia the best country in the world and USA is the worst. At the top for sure but it's completely subjective.

      • -2

        How did you get to be so all-knowing…. did you find your smarts in a cornflakes packet?
        It appears more likely that the person I'm commenting to (you) is a typical non-thinker.

  • +14

    Not sure why all the hate posts. OP raises some good points. What's wrong with moving to the USA to maximise earnings while still going? There definitely is better pay and a lot more opportunity. Yes, this comes with trade offs but you live once and this could be a very good experience for OP. Do it if you can.

    • +1

      Thank you and thanks for the positivity :)

      • +3

        Wow this is just vile.

      • +4

        To be fair, the opportunity to move to another country to get away from Binchicken22 is very appealing.

      • -1

        username seems like flattery

    • +2

      Not sure why all the hate posts.

      Evidently the ozbargain demographic includes people that have no idea what they are talking about. It is what it is.

    • +4

      Given the volatility in the US right now. OP better make sure they actually have the job before packing it all up. Anything remotely associated with government funding may disappear overnight, and they won't care if you quit your job and booked your flights. Anything related to goods which will be subject to tariffs might be iffy as well.

  • +7

    Forgot to mention the attitude of New Yorkers. I've been told 'nothing in America is free' in a not friendly way a few times by the locals when demanding tips etc.

      • +1

        Recently was in the US and this is bullshit. You get your drink topped up constantly and asked if “everything is okay”. The level of service in Australia is the same. I didn’t feel as though the $110 USD tip I paid on a $500 USD dinner was justified, despite the service being normal.

        What do you define as good customer service and worthy of a 22% tip?

        • +10

          Go to Japan if you want to see how service should be done.

          Plus, they view it as part of their job so don't expect a tip. Hell, heard stories about people leaving tips and the staff chasing them down to return the tip.

          Tipping culture just hides the fact that servers are chronically underpaid and the restaurant owner expects the patron to make up for his lack of decent pay.

          • +6

            @Takeohakuto: I fully agree with you. Tipping in the U.S. is just a bullshit excuse to minimise the risk of businesses having to be on the hook for wages if business is poor.

            Some restaurants in LA automatically add a gratuity fee of ~20% and employee health care fee of ~5%. On top of that, they then hand a receipt with optional additional tipping options starting at 18%. It’s completely out of hand.

    • +3

      You're seriously saying you've spent time in the US and you don't tip?

      • +5

        Yes I tipped every time. But sometimes someone opens a door for you at a hotel or takes the bag out of the taxi despite your objections, things I'm perfectly capable of doing and this is the line they give you if you don't feed them a dollar or two. Only ever happened to me in New York.

  • +3

    You’ll get a lot more help on r/Ameristralia (Reddit) than you will here (not that the bar is high). All the best!

  • We are trying move to Munich to be closer to my wife’s family but I have not been able to find a job. My current job is very stable, more than decent pay so it’s a big decision.

  • +1

    Do it OP - as long as you don't have to renounce your Medicare card you'll be fine. Get that sweet US money and if you get sick, get out of there ASAP. New York will be a lot of fun. If you decide to have kids you will probably want to move home for the family support so factor that in too.

  • +3

    My view on america changed completely when a colleague who grew up very wealthy in america (showed photos of his lambo's & being chauffeured in a limo) chose to leave that lifestyle and live in Australia. He said he would never go back. Dont let all the tv shows and movies make you think its a fantastic place.

    • +6

      If you have Lamborghini money Australia is obviously one of the best places in the world to live. Not many places are as safe as Australia, it's cheaper than Switzerland, you can own a big house and the climate is better. It also has beaches. If you had no money problems where else would you go?

      If you are trying to reach Lamborghini money, pay is a lot better for white collar work in the USA.

      • +3

        The weather is better if you want the beach. If you want mountains and want snow then Australia isn't the place. Where? I'd got to British Columbia.

        • Yeah if your wealthy and want to do an annual ski trip then it doesn't matter really, you just jump on a plane.

          If you're a serious board rat who needs to do the whole season maybe a bit diff story and Australia not the best option.

      • +3

        I think having kids also massively changes the equation. Like its mind blowing to think that bullet proof school bags and active shooter training courses are just a normal part of high school life in america. Seriously insane.

  • +5

    This has to be a troll post. No one in their right mind would move to the US right now. That place is cooked. Have you considered just moving somewhere else that isn't Sydney?

    • +2

      i wouldnt do it but for 3x my pay id certainly consider it

      • +3

        Yeah 3x pay is about where the line is.

        OP do not go unless you are going to get some seriously top level coin.

    • +7

      OP is clearly a Trump fan and so it makes sense that a Trump fan would want to be closer to their Messiah.

      • +1

        Yeah, pretty much.

        my strong belief that US economy will become much more resilient and strong in coming years

        Trade wars on multiple fronts with their biggest trading partners? The upheaval might create opportunities but don't think they really have foreigners in mind when it comes to said opportunities.

        • Yeah this isn't a left-vs-right issue.

          If the senile rich-daddy-spoiled failed-reality-tv-star in the white house was a Democrat, I'd still be concerned about how such deeply incompetent leadership is going to affect the economy over the next couple of years.

  • +10

    Please do, we need emigration right now so every little bit helps.

  • +1

    If you have family on the east coast I'd say go for it! NYC is an amazing place to live and work if you don't mind doing more of the latter. The work opportunities simply don't compare and if you don't plan to have kids it's hard to beat. In terms of applying for jobs it can be hard for New Yorkers to take you seriously if you aren't living there. I'd suggest going on a holiday and try and line up some interviews.

  • Best to ignore the people echoing mainstream media and politics. They have not experienced what it is like in the real world.

    • +2

      We can see the US hurtling towards fascism. I'd be wary of going to the US for a holiday right now let alone moving there. It's like running into a house fire for no good reason. Insane!

  • +18

    You do realise the US govt is in the process of firing about 2 million people? Do you and your wife have American citizenships and Ivy league degrees? You gotta find companies that really need and want you there; your visas, health insurances, among other things will be dependent upon them.

  • Relocating via internal company transfers would be the ideal method if thats possible with your current work. I think generally speaking, going anywhere that has a larger industry cap in your field will give you more opportunities. If you are stuck on English speaking countries, the US will be up there on the list. Just dont forget that pay is often proportional to the cost of leaving… i hope you arent just thinking the pay is better via simple currency conversions…

  • +2

    Any suggestions on how can we break into the job market there?

    International internal transfer. This is the ideal way to do it- you get your house contents shipped free, and short term accommodation at the other end.

    Or be so incredibly brilliant that you'll be already known by companies there (which doesn't seem to be the case if you're on OzB asking)

    Or move country and start applying locally. Talking to recruiters when you are out of country, they see you as a total waste of time- any visa uncertainties are a huge variable and they have no reason to damage their relationships with their corporate clients by involving then in potential lengthy paperwork.

    I am… surprised that someone who has supposedly worked in AM for seven years and is ambitious enough to consider relocating to NYC needs to ask this.

  • +10

    50x more opportunity to get mugged and 10x more opportunity to get shot.

  • +9

    Hopefully you don’t look Mexican

  • +11

    Having spent 13 years living over there, my advice, in the current climate, would be "don't".

    The main reason being uncertainty about visa status for the foreseeable future. It's a big move and you could well find yourself being told to leave at any time.

    Cost of living in NY is horrendous and don't forget about health insurance (even if it is employer provided, there is often a HUGE deductable). Best not to get sick, or need a car (insurance).

  • +4
    • 50x more career opportunities for me and probably 10x for my wife


    the biggest challenge I am facing is the recruiters don’t understand what E3 visa is and don’t want to sponsor anyone from overseas

    Good luck to you, but I would argue that your grass-is-greener fantasy vs the actual reality is already on display.

    Without a green card you are at a severe disadvantage, and 99% of those opportunities will not be going your way.

    NYC is cool but I can assure you it's not paradise. Make sure you have a realistic understanding of what the actual jobs with sponsorship opportunities are, what your living, housing and particularly healthcare costs are, and are prepared to move back when your employment or visa status changes.

  • +2

    Job wise definitely more opportunities in NY. Also expand you horizon and better exposure. Go for it whilst young.

  • +9

    My eldest son and his wife moved there 18 months ago. She was transferred with her work. He went through an employment agency and finally got a great job there that he loves. He is a senior project manager for data centres. The interview process is very long. It can take months before they make a decision. The employment agency helped the employer understand the visa process. It’s obviously easier to hire an American because the employer doesn’t have to worry about the visa and the American would be across US standards. Rent there was about $5,000 a month for a 1 bedder and $8,000 a month for a 2 bedder in the Flatiron District. Everything is expensive there now, especially restaurants. I went in 2010 and it was so cheap, but it’s not anymore. The pay there is exceptionally good. I travelled on the subway and it was safe but don’t stand close to the edge of the platform, be aware of who is around you and try to stand with your back to the wall. The jobs there are better quality than you will find here, just because it is a much bigger country and has many more industries than we have here, to the point it may be hard to come back to a lower paying job. All in all, they are very happy they made the move and have seen a lot of America they wouldn’t have otherwise.

  • +1

    There are nicer places to live in USA than NYC. If u want the NYC experience then do it as it is an amazing place but it’s a hectic lifestyle.

    If I was to move to USA I’d be looking at SAN Francisco or Austin or SAN Antonio

    • Crime in San Francisco is terrible at the moment.

      • +1

        True but much worse than NYC?

      • +1

        Criminal consorting in the White House is rife

  • +1

    As with lots of things in life, there is no perfect answer to your questions. When military forces are planning an operation, they always do a "fact finding" mission prior to the event. If you were to spend some time investigating the practicalities of daily life in NY such as - where would you live?, how will you travel to work? How long will it take to travel to work? What are the costs/hazards of moving around? How much is each option going to cost? Much of this information is probably available online, but I share the opinion of other readers, that a few days in NY might answer many of your questions _ good luck

  • Do it, worst case scenario, it doesn’t work out. Just ask yourself and your partner, can you take any financial hit that may come, either relocating back, starting again etc. If you can, nps, maybe an expensive exercise, but you’ll be left with lots of memories, both good and bad. As long as you don’t get mugged, shot, you’re not going to die.
    It’s a big call, just make sure you have a plan b and c, set realistic expectations.
    Don’t live with regrets and die wondering what if…..

  • -1

    just an FYI about taxes -

    US taxes are based on citizenship rather than residence. This means that citizens are taxed by the IRS even if they live in another country. The only way to avoid this requirement is to renounce your citizenship, which can be a costly choice and is rarely wise.

    https://www.greenbacktaxservices.com/knowledge-center/us-cit…

    • +1

      He isn't becoming a citizen anytime soon…

  • +1

    If i was moving to the United States NYC would be near the bottom of the list.

    There are so many other better cities. Sydney's bad enough wouldnt you actually choose a city that has more to offer if you plan to move. Your wife doesnt sound like she wants to move is it because of not seeing her family and friends? You need to work that out first? Maybe dont have NYC locked in as the only option.

  • +3

    If you are able to do it why not? Even if its not long term it could be a great adventure. Australia will always be here and its unlikely it will change too much. No country is perfect but theres absolutely nothing wrong with going somewhere for an experience.

    The US definitely has better opportunities for career and pay if that what you are looking for. My colleagues in the US get substantially better wages than we do in Aus for a similar cost of living. Healthcare is usually included in these roles. Theres a gap of course but its usually good coverage.

    The US has some of the best national parks and destinations in the world. Enjoy it man.

    Personally i preferred the smaller towns over the big cities. I did like san fran but it has lots of issues.

  • -1

    Man, I’m so sorry people can’t help but contribute only what the stuck up their arse can tell them.

    Number one concern is the wife’s 80%. Is the 20% just normal pooping bricks at a big decision, or some genuine dislike of the idea?

    Most people in AU have no idea outside the fanatical crap that ends up on the media. Take it with a grain of salt, but the main take away from all of the political clap trap is that currently, there is large, fundamental change happening in the USA.

    You will find that most Americans are generally happy, and that relatively increases the further away from large cities you are.

    Lots of people ragging on NYC, myself included (partly tongue in cheek), however LA would be the big disaster of a move imho. San Fran is a gorgeous city, unfortunately let down significantly in recent years- though a couple of mates of mine (engineering industries), reckon that it’s very slowly getting better ever since the city was front page news. It’s moving well enough that they are both sticking it out.

    If you are willing and able to, go for it. You will learn heaps, widen your personal and professional network exponentially, and hopefully save some of that coin to play with later! You’re willing to have a go, most of the naysayers spouting slogans don’t even have the balls to go to Bali rofl.

    Side (final) note: your wife should be your absolute #1 concern. Remain open minded, and even if it goes ahead, be willing to can the whole thing for her benefit- it will be for yours too.

    The most Aussie thing you can do is give it a go. Be a champion!

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