Hi all,
Long time OzBargain user here.
So I am doing a small uni study requires collecting data from general population.
I made a survey in Google Forms. It takes about 5 minutes asking about your opinions on plant-based meat products.
It is totally anonymous and there's an informed consent right at the top.
Here's the link:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdyDDTVBDsHJYvLmqcL…
Thank you very much for your time and effort!
J
Plant-Based Meat
call it meat substitute instead plant based meat. It is either meat or not meat, nothing in between.
I quite like the Beyond Burger product, but its disappeared from shelves. Last I read about the Beyond Meat company, it was failing and stock going to zero.
Two problems with the product.
Far too expensive. $48/kg. Excuse me? High quality burger patties are $20/kg. Why would I pay more than double?
Too salty. I guess the burgers have no other flavour as they really cranked up the salt. The meatball product they sold was ultra salty in taste. Almost unpleasant.
I tried the Ikea plant-base "meat"balls (different than their veggie balls). It's not that bad, it has ~80% of the texture and taste of a real meatballs.
Aside from the obvious environmental and ethical benefits which I approve of, I often look at the back of these products and find they don't seem any healthier than meat products (fat, salt, energy etc)
Animal fat from a healthy animal and salt are healthy.
no
anyone who actually thinks this processed garbage plant meat is good for you really needs to read the label, filled with 50 different Ingredients highly processed
The best food in the world is red meat, nothing beats it.
All i eat is meat and fruit and my body fat sits at 10% or lower, i eat no veges.
Vegans are also very nutritent difficient and weak, they lack muscle and bone density compared to someone who eats meat
Further to this, being vegan actually kills more animals, slugs, local wildlife, trees being cutdown etc. You do way more damage then just raising cows who eat grass.
How do you think most animals are raised? Even 'grass fed' beef is grain finished.
no it isnt, thats not how it works in australia, they need to clarify if its grass finished,
what i am saying its more efficient to grow cows then it is to grow plants
maybe go visit a few cow farmers and you will see how its all done, its not grain finished unless they specify it
So what about the majority of supermarket meat (what most people eat)?
What I read everywhere is that they're fattened up on grain before being sent to the abattoir. Filtering your food through another animal will never be more efficient (never mind the methane emissions). And dear god, the overwhelming evidence of heath effects from red meat vs plant based diets… The carbohydrate requirements of human brains… Why do I bother.
@Silentin: You have been brainwashed well by the media and the AMA
you keep eating you pesticide laced plant based diet, im sure all the glysophate is good for you
I never said dont eat carbs, carbs can be from honey, maple syrup, fruits, all natural sources
What majority people eat is garbage, why do you think we have a obesity crisis and 80% of the stuff on the shelves is processed garbage.
Methane emissions? haha wow you might as well be brain washed by bill gates and his nonsense poison bovine, you are so unaware of what goes into your food is the reason why you probably have some sort of metabolic dysfunction.
The evidence you read is all funded by food corporations that brain wash you to think meat is bad for you, infact its the opposite. I mean the CEO of kellogs wanted you to eat corn flakes for dinner….
No one in the world is allergic to red meat, they are however allergic to peanuts, shellfish, soy, wheat, tree nut, seasame……
P.s ive gone to multple grass fed farms around australia and they have confirmed 100% grass fed, im sure theirs alot of grass fed , grain finished lots too.
@Silentin: yes i have and you are not born with it nor is it a genetic thing
it's associated with bites from certain ticks…
nice try though
@lltravel: You're not born with allergies, they form upon exposure. Most cases of celiac disease emerge in middle age.
Let's think for a second, why would red meat allergies be rare? Maybe it's because humans are red meat? That said, autoimmune conditions are actually quite common. The reason why you're only allergic to meat (but not your own proteins) in alpha-gal syndrome is because this protein is missing in primates.
I completely agree that most people eat rubbish and there's way too much processed food out there, but the vast majority of research shows that red meat is unhealthy and modern animal agriculture damages the environment. As for carbs, I was referring to less processed complex carbohydrates with fibre (not that there's anything wrong with fruit). I don't think that fake meat is healthy either.
P.s. I have a PhD in medical sciences, exercise regularly, have excellent blood work, and read original research on diets. I.e. this Nature Medicine article (no, they aren't funded by Bill Gates). Big agriculture also has massive lobbying power in the US and is hugely influential in Australian politics.
@Silentin: If you take the time to actually examine the studies criticizing red meat, you’ll often find they’re influenced by industries with a vested interest in steering people away from animal-based nutrition. Many of these narratives are shaped by corporate agendas—not unbiased science.
I’m not here to argue degrees or titles. I respect academic achievement, but it’s important to recognize that much of what’s taught especially in nutrition and medicine is heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies and processed food industries. That creates a bias, whether people want to admit it or not.
Red meat is one of the most nutrient-dense foods on the planet. It’s packed with bioavailable iron, B12, zinc, creatine, healthy fats, and complete proteins that support muscle growth, hormone production, cognitive function, and overall recovery. It’s not just food, it’s fuel that heals the body.
I’ve been eating a diet centered around red meat, fruits, and natural sugars like raw honey and pure maple syrup for over three years now. I rarely touch vegetables. The result? My blood work consistently comes back cleaner and more balanced than most people who follow so-called “healthy” diets. The proof is in the results, not the rhetoric.
Essentially if I want to avoid meat, I will eat a proper vegetarian meal, not fake meat
Examples: Falafel
Eggeh (Lebanese Egg, Parsley, Mint and Onion Omellete / Oven Bake)
Salads
Humous / baba ganoush and pickles
Vegetarian Pizza, Biryani and Samosas
Oregano Manoush
Batata a Baad (Cubed Fried Potatoes and then you crack eggs and salt and spices to taste)
Lubya (Green beans, cooked in oil and diced onions for several hours until soft) then you can crack an egg on top and spice to taste)
Dolma or Wara3 3neb….
Love being Middle Eastern, perfect balance of foods from East and West
Submitted as a general layman.
I think I capture the sentiment the best though: why would I pay more for plant based that doesn't taste as good...
From a dietary/health stand point these plant based alternatives often have a lot of preservatives/additives/fillers (generally speaking).
If you're against eating meat for ethical reasons, eating a fake option is a bit odd…
Vegetables, fruits, nuts and grains are great by themselves anyways.
"plant based meat" is not meat. Oat "milk" is not milk. Just understand what's what and decide if that's good for you or not. Probably not.
Just understand what's what and decide if that's good for you or not. Probably not.
Immediately after you've given your opinion (deriding their potential decision), how likely do you think that a person is going to share their contrary view?
done. hope you find it useful. my opinion of plant based meat is that if it's not real protein or contain any reasonable part of real proteins it should not be advertised as such. people with certain conditions or requirements can ofcourse choose to consume them which is their wish but it should not confuse an everyday layman person into getting one based on marketing.
Meat is the flesh of an animal. The word shouldn't be used without a negation term when referring to things that are not meat.
'Not meat', 'Fake meat', 'Pretend meat' even 'Looks like meat' - All ok
'Plant based meat' - No, it's just not
Just some feedback on the demographics question, your household income brackets are a bit low. The median household income in Australia is around 100k, so your top bracket of >100k is going to get about 50% of your respondents if you have an even spread of the working population responding.
This is a really good suggestion, I would personally be interested to know if income determines consumption of plant based meat. Assumption is it would make a difference, but is this offset by (assumption) younger people consuming more than older people (assumption) who presumably have a higher income.
Yeah, 2 minimum wage workers would be in the same category as a house filled with 5 doctors and lawyers.
Done. GL with the survey.
done, all the best with your study!
OP, there are issues with your survey if the respondent is a vegetarian or vegan who has never eaten meat.
" How do you find the tastes of Plant-based Meat Products, compared to conventional meat products? " - there's no option to say "i wouldn't know"
I have been vegetarian my entire life and I don’t like plant based meat. Meat is meat and rest of the food is just another type of food. I don’t know why you need to eat mock food. Also, it’s not nutritionally same as meat. Meat industry doesn’t make meat based cauliflower or spinach, so we should stop this crazy idea.
I have been vegetarian my entire life
No you haven't.
I don’t know why you need to eat mock food.
Some people like the taste of meat but don't want animals to die
Just remember when doing your stats it's population sample size not the population for standard deviation. In other words you'll use (n-1)
The price of this tasteless and frankly unhealthy slop is what gets me. It needs to be about 1/4 of the price of meat to be a real alternative. If real meat is apparently so inefficient and costly to make, why does a lab grown cancer lump with no taste apparently cost even more for a 300g packet?
Yet red meat is the proven carcinogen
You're confusing lab grown meat (which indeed is cultured cancer lumps) with what this post is about which is plant based meat substitute (which is ultra processed thermoplastic extruded slop).
Better than insects though, right? /s
If we eat less cows and lambs, then from where will we get leather, sheep skin and Ugg boots?
fewer?
I am a vegetarian and prefer natural vegetable-based dishes over plant-based meat substitutes. I avoid plant-based meat substitutes because of it taste and is highly processed. If the shops, replace traditional veggie options (i.e. Vege Patties) with plant-based meat, I will cross these shops out of my go to list.