Hi all,
Long time OzBargain user here.
So I am doing a small uni study requires collecting data from general population.
I made a survey in Google Forms. It takes about 5 minutes asking about your opinions on plant-based meat products.
It is totally anonymous and there's an informed consent right at the top.
Here's the link:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdyDDTVBDsHJYvLmqcL…
Thank you very much for your time and effort!
J
Agree
OBers are not exactly reflective of the general population
Considering most uni students survey cohort is "other friends I talk to in my course" I don't think this is going to be a major issue.
Yeah I mean for most things, 20% is not a discount
disciunt
Unless you eating it for religious reason or veganisum, I wouldn't touched that. Rather have some meat + vegi.
Plant based "meat" products…. I think you meant "meat substitutes"…
ooft, imagine feeling attacked by something you don't care about.
I prefer meat-based plant products.
The author of that piece seems like an insufferable c t.
new Vice in a nutshell.
I also want to read ‘Fountainhead’ now. 😀
Username checks out
I was all for vegan leather, until I found out it wasn't actually made from vegans.
Done ✅
I haven't minded the few plant-based meat products I've had. But they're the same price if not more expensive. V2 beef mince is $7.50 for 400g vs 500g of real beef mince for $6.50.
If plant based ever became cheaper I'd likely eat it more.
If it was significantly cheaper and had just as much complete proteins, and tasted as good as real meat, sure why not.
wow thx everyone :) appriciated. Plz keep going :))
Would love to know some results once you're done…
Done. Out of interest, wondering why you didnt survey awareness of precision fermentation.
Making cows redundant.
Making cows an expensive luxury for the rich whilst you eat ze bug.
"Making cows an expensive luxury for the rich whilst you eat ze bug."
This is so true. Imagine if homes and cars became an expensive luxury too. It would have been a complete disaster.
Horses are an expensive luxury, and the IQ suppressing effects of leaded petrol was a massive disaster. As for real estate, homelessness amongst the employed has never been higher.
The day the wealthy take something up first for themselves I'll believe it is in my interests. Otherwise it's just another first class flight from their beachfront property to the climate conference on the other side of the world.
@cfuse: First class flight? If only the ultra rich who preach we should eat bugs and own nothing used commercial flights. They all fly on private jets.
It's a gimmick to encourage more peasants to eat pesticide and herbicide laden processed GMO slop instead of healthy organic food like our King.
eat like kings
Funny thing is it's basically how everyone in the West ate ~70+ years ago. How time flies.
Do you have any evidence for that? It is my understanding that the majority of the population was poorer 70 years ago, and like most of the last few thousand years, the majority of the diet of poor people (i.e. most people) consisted of wheat, potatoes, rice, rye, barley, oats, etc. with a little veggies and little meat. Furthermore, the population has grown massively since then. I know there is an anti-scientific movement among conservatives to promote the carnivore diet, but it is not only unscientific, it is also an extremely selfish attitude towards food, because a diet that consists mostly of meat is unattainable for the majority of the world population. If the carnivore diet became popular enough, the price of meat would skyrocket.
@ForkSnorter: How do you define anti-scientific and unscientific, respectively?
Especially in relation to something so specific as a diet.
There’s a pretty good evidence that keto and carnivore have health benefits.
There’s a pretty good evidence that keto and carnivore have health benefits.
This evidence does not constitute scientific evidence. It is mostly anecdotal. Our understanding of diet is based on decades of long-term scientific studies. Decades of long-term scientific studies have not been conducted on keto and carnivore diets, because these are recent trends (mostly among young conservatives who get their information from social media). A few short-term studies have been conducted. The only significant benefit that I can see is short-term weight loss (if weight loss is desired). However, I would be worried about long-term risks, especially from lack of fibre/nutrients, and from cholesterol. From Harvard Health: "Animal fat is mostly saturated fat, which is the unhealthiest type of fat because it raises levels of LDL (bad) cholesterol." There are also a few short-term side-effects to be aware of.
@ForkSnorter: Ketogenic diet is not just a recent trend.
History of Ketogenic Diet
The ketogenic diet was introduced by modern physicians as a treatment for epilepsy in the 1920s to mimic the metabolism of fasting.
It became popular as a therapy for epilepsy in the 1920s and 1930s, providing an alternative to fasting, which had shown success in treating epilepsy.
For about two decades, the ketogenic diet was widely used, but with the advent of effective anticonvulsant medications, its use declined dramatically.
By the end of the twentieth century, this therapy was only available in a small number of children's hospitals.
However, over the past 15 years, there has been a resurgence in the use and scientific interest in the ketogenic diet.
@tenpercent: It is a recent trend among the general public. If you deny this, I don't know what else to say to you.
How do you define anti-scientific and unscientific, respectively?
"Unscientific" means contrary to scientific principles.
I'd used "anti-scientific" to describe the rising numbers of people who ignore or try to discredit scientific knowledge, scientific data and scientific consensus and instead get their information from their preferred social media channels. Similarly to how rightwing supporters of Trump and Elon Musk tend to get their news and political information from a very limited range of sources that are essentially echo chambers.
@ForkSnorter: I'd use "anti-scientific" to describe the rising number of people who think science is a democracy and who think that "scientific consensus" or statements like "a majority of scientists say…" are meaningful.
@tenpercent: Have you read much about the history of science, and how science is done? If you are attempting to discredit science and scientific consensus without commensurate evidence, I'd say this means you fall under my term "anti-scientific".
If you are not going to get your information from the synthesis and analysis of the most robust scientific studies that adhere to scientific principles, where are you going to get it from?
Do you understand that science simply represents our best attempt to find the truth?
The most basic definition of science is "the acquisition of reliable information about anything".
@ForkSnorter: One can discredit published papers and studies without evidence (as in one does not need to reproduce experiments in order to discredit). It is rather easy to identify logical fallacies and basic methodological errors in many of them, as I discovered whilst undertaking my thesis year. It is a farce that so much irrational trash 'science' gets published in recent decades (peer review failure?) and then subsequently cited.
@tenpercent: You are demonstrating you don't know much about the history of science and the scientific community.
When I use the term "scientific knowledge", I'm not talking about a single paper published by an enthusiastic post-grad researcher trying to make a name for themselves.
I'm talking about the accumulation of decades of replication and reproduction of high-quality scientific studies and experiments. Scientific knowledge is obtained through verification, where scientists attempt to replicate the claimed results of other scientists in order to verify how accurate/reliable their results were, and sometimes to see whether their results can be reproduced in different contexts. This can involve the work of hundreds, thousands of scientists, each building on the work of their predecessors in order to establish our closest approximation to what we think is true. It seems prudent to get your dietary knowledge from reliable scientific data such as meta-analyses or long-term studies that show similar results across multiple, independent studies.
We certainly don't have anything like this when it comes to recent diet fads like the carnivore diet, which is why I would take anything a carnivore-diet advocate says with a grain of salt (or a grain of cow dung).
@ForkSnorter: I'll ignore the sheer arrogance that was splashing out of the screen from your last comment.
Inuit diet
The traditional Inuit diet is primarily based on animal products and has been a subject of interest due to its unique nutritional profile. Traditionally, the Inuit diet consisted almost exclusively of meat from sea mammals, caribou, fish, and birds, with minimal plant intake.
This diet is high in fat, with approximately 50% of calories coming from fat, 30-35% from protein, and 15-20% from carbohydrates, largely in the form of glycogen from raw meat.
The diet is rich in omega-3 fatty acids and monounsaturated fats, which are thought to provide health benefits.
@tenpercent: That sounds good for someone who lives in an isolated region of the arctic and doesn't mind eating a lot of seal blubber and raw organs (the raw organs are needed to obtain enough vitamin C to avoid scurvy).
That sounds good for someone who lives in an isolated region of the arctic
Ignoring the Masai People of Kenya.
@ForkSnorter: People in Australia didn't eat very much red meat before 1955ish because we didn't make very much because most people couldn't store it so there was no point in buying much.
Most modern Australian cattle farms converted from dairy farms once Australian households started getting refrigerators.
is also an extremely selfish attitude towards food, because a diet that consists mostly of meat is unattainable for the majority of the world population.
Now I just know you're making stuff up.
In 2024, Australia exported 2.24 MILLION TONNES of red meat to 104 different countries.
Counting Australia, that's 105 countries affording red meat just from what we provide.
There's only 195 countries in the whole world.
Funny thing is it's basically how everyone in the West ate ~70+ years ago. How time flies.
(70 years ago is 1955)
Funny thing is (well, definitely not funny) I'm pretty sure there was a small event called WW2 (1939-1945) that happened about that time.
If my parents diet was anything to go on then I very much doubt they were eating like kings during, or anytime soon after the end of the war.
Also pretty sure not long before that there was something called 'the Great Depression' (1929-1939) which followed on from World War I (1914-1918).
How far back are you talking when you claim ~70+ years ago?
eating like kings
Meat and three veg (which was the typical nightly meal for Australians and others around the time I mentioned) isn't what one would typically picture when one uses that almost fantastical idiom.
WW2 had ended 80 years ago, not 70 years ago.
70 years ago is 1955.
@Grunntt: Perhaps Australian's ate less meat during the Depression and up until 1955 because most Australian households didn't have refrigerators back then.
Most Australian cattle farms operate on land that isn't suitable for growing other food sources.
Beef is Australia's sixth largest export. In 2024, we exported to over 100 countries.
Additionally, chickens are a category of meat.
Seafood is also a type of meat but I guess it doesn't really matter much, eh because it just swims around everywhere?
do you mean plant based meat substitutes as I think most meat is grown from a plant base
"How do you find the tastes of Plant-based Meat Products, compared to conventional meat products?" <- this lacks an "I don't know" response for anybody that has never eaten meat.
There is no such thing as plant-based MEAT!
They probably call it plant meat because 'defatted thermoplastic protein' does not sound very appetising.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textured_vegetable_protein#Man…
just like there is no such thing as nut- or grain-based "milk". Milk is a "liquid food produced by the mammary glands of mammals".
Yeah, but no one would buy it if they called it "nut juice"
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"Tasteless, lab-grown cancer slop" isn't quite so marketable, unfortunately.
It just comes down to price, taste and availability. Pretty straightforward.
Usually they are highly processed. There are plenty of natural vegetarian options instead. Tofu and tempe are the most processed among vegetarian options, but they do not purport to be plant-based meats.
"Processed" = ooga booga bad word.
Meat is "processed" too.
Some meat is "highly processed"
Some "meat" barely resembles the intestines/hooves/anus that it previously was.
Highly processed meat is not good for you as well.
Sure, all food is processed to some extent, like frozen or canned vegetables. The difference is that any of the fake meats I've seen in supermarkets are reconstituted from a large range of ingredients, so ultraprocessed.
I agree about a lot of meat being a long way from the original cut. Bought chicken nuggets are generally made with crap parts of the bird and fillers.
I eat mainly vegetarian meals because I love vegetables, but I enjoy good quality meat from time to time. I don't buy things like premade rissoles, marinaded shaslicks - easier and cheaper to make my own from scratch - especially when I had three voracious teenagers at home!
even my local butcher birds won't eat it
Rule 1: If having to eat vegetarian, go to an Indian restaurant,
Rule 2: Use high heat when cooking steaks. Turn. Rest. Enjoy. (Then cook the meat!)
If having to eat vegetarian, go to an Indian restaurant,
A good way to hide the flavour or lack of flavour.
Plant-Based Meat Products
These need not exist!
You are going to have a treat from those OzB people who think the existence if a threat to their manhood / masculinity.
"I'm going to eat triple the amount of meat just to upset the vegetarians- har har har".
It's the new men using moisturiser
This and the couple of replies to this comment (excluding mine / this one) are the only ones that even allude to plant-based meat as a
threat to their manhood / masculinity.
It is all over the internet. I am just pointing it out for laughs.
It is all over the internet.
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from those OzB people
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@tenpercent: You sound like human kind has moved on. Trump got re-elected. So we've all aged but old habits die hard.
@spackbace: LOL this debate is old as time.
People just think attitudes have changed. If you look back on it, it hasn't. But someone in corporate strategy must have thought given vegetarian / vegan is such small part of the population taking customers from the meat industry would be easy.
Then you got movies set in the future where people would rather eat bugs for protein instead of vegetables.
It is a threat to the delusional rightwing carnivore-diet health-nuts who will argue that back in the good old days, medieval peasants were eating fillet steak daily, and that's why they were so healthy and lived so long, unlike us modern people who are dying of disease at age 40 from eating carbohydrates.
True.
I am not sure why people are troubled by other people's choices. Some people actually don't want help to destroy themselves. (Satire)
personally I prefer meat and if I was going vegetarian I would just avoid plant based meat substitutes as well as meat, they are highly processed with high salt and other additives and generally unhealthy.
Done.
Just submitted the survey for you via your link. Have a great week!
It is damn rude for people writing surveys to ask you a whole lot of personal questions, and only after you've answered them present you with the questions they say they are surveying you to find out your response to.
I want to know what the questions are, and decide whether I want to answer them, and can give a useful answer to them, before I hand over personal information.
When you're stuck putting out surveys as part of your education you're stuck doing them by uni rules. It's a PITA.
must say some of the personal questions were absolutely inappropriate for this type of survey, hence anything optional I didn't fill in and on anything with the choice of "prefer not to say" I selected that.
For example?
Well considering I'm a widowed under 18 year old with a PhD and making over 100k, I'm certain I won't be identifible.
Extreme cases like this will be deleted from the study data as outliers. If you were a 20 something widowed PhD making over 100k a year your response will be more likely to pass through any filters and then your responses to later questions can help to skew the data.
Tried plant based mince when it was on clearance for under $1 for 500g, would buy it again for that price but no more.
What was it like?
Kind of mince like texture when cooked but more chewy, there's no mistaking it's not real beef though.
I think they're bad for the environment because I always see a lot of it in the clearance section. I assume it ends up in the trash.
I assume it ends up in the trash.
That means it's betterer for the environment than cows, right? /s
Nope, landfill has very restricted access to oxygen so the breakdown would need to be anaerobic. The stuff simply won't break down at any reasonable rate, occupying space longer, leading to more new landfill sites.
Thanks for the offer to contribute.
I've made my best attempt to skew your data.
Regards
Dr Paint
I too like fake chemical meat
Plant 'meat' makes as much sense as a meat 'veggies'.
If you don't want to eat meat then just stick with your veggies, what's the point of this pretend meat? Just makes no actual sense.
It's because recipes exist that rely on certain food components having certain textures.
Ominvores eat spaghetti and meatballs, and the mince carries the spices, soaks up the sauce, livens up the otherwise flavourless pasta etc.
For vegetarians, spaghetti and broccoli is not the same experience, so instead they now can make spaghetti and (plant) meatballs, etc, and we are back to comparable dishes.
How are you going to account for this in your method section?
“I surveyed x people with a penchant for eneloop batteries from an online disciunt forum”?