Just spotted this and thought it might help someone in the market for a quality pram.
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These rarely go on sale, and there are barely any second-hand ones out there since the V3 only came out late last year.
I personally bought one back in November 2024. Super versatile, smooth to push, and converts to a double if you need it later.
Loved the V2. We used it for our twins from day 1 and it was amazing. We bought an additional bassinet for $50 second hand. Ended up selling the pram 4 years later for $550. Could have sold it for more if we took better care of it.
Just get it second hand.
There's no V3 second hand, only V2.
Get the V2 second hand
I had this pram in a dual version from birth to 2 years, good pram not the best though. Paid $1000 used sold $800 after 2 years use. Prepare for a big loss at $1600. Imo Baby Jogger city select is way better pram for convenience.
High yield investment.. recommend more than 3rd party insurance.
..or just get something like this 2nd hand or on sale:
https://www.babybunting.com.au/product/baby-jogger-city-elit…
matching bassinet can be bought separately elsewhere for ~$200-300 (I got it with frequent flyer points) - but only useful for first 6 months
large wheels make it draggable even knee-deep in beach sand, suspension is alright - all you need.
never understood the need for disc brakes on these
For sure this works, but letting you know it’s no where near as nice to use, nor is it as easy for your kid to sit in. Source: we have both.
Childfree here. Is there any realistic difference between this and the $25 pram from K-Mart?
Is the "smoothness" of the pushing worth the $1,575 premium, or is it more about flexing on the other mums at playgroup? In any case, I doubt the baby cares.
Unsure why youre getting downvoted. Im genuinely curious too and would love to understand.
That Kmart one is more for older toddlers, my toddler would not sit still in that and would probably break free. It also looks uncomfortable to stroll around, if you're tall, that gets uncomfortable fast.
For newborns-1 year, the pram OOP posted would be pretty great. We used a hand me down expensive one and it wasn't too bad, but I probably wouldn't pay 1k+ for a pram. I could still use that expensive one but decided to return it back to my family member and use a $150 pram instead, which is so lightweight that I can take it out of the car with one hand. The expensive ones… good luck. I think the travel prams in the 100-250 range are good for daily use.
"Childfree here" " I doubt the baby cares" - Probably because the it presents poorly asking a question whilst making a judgement without facts.
The Vista is the equivalent premium SUV for parents. It has all the mod cons including the larger size (which can make it tricky to manoeuvre in tight spots) and heavy weight. It is by far the most popular with parents at baby expos. It reviews so well that many buyers will gladly pay more than a cheaper model that ticks the same boxes in features and also bests more expensive competitors.
The quality of parts is a significant factor as to why it is so popular. The hood fabric is made from better quality than most other prams and will last longer than those cheaper. The seat fabric lining is very nice and comfortable. The fold action is easy and seamless. The accessories, including 3rd party, plentiful. It is able to be used in far more environments than the Kmart version and with a variety of linings make for better comfort for the baby. It can be used by newborns and also have another second child seat added. The wheels can be swapped out for rougher terrain versions.
The Vista is not the most luxurious (there are far more expensive prams) but it is one of the better built and designed out there (and one if not the best in class for full sized prams) with good after sales support adding to longevity.
The Kmart version is built to a price and shows it in every way:
* The hood offers poor coverage (exposes child to UV and weather elements, poor for sleep)
* The brake system is flimsy and overly complicated
* No under seat storage
* No bumper bar
* The seat is short and uncomfortable with awkward footrest
* It cannot be used for a newborn (must be +6 due to neck support) let alone match most prams for larger toddlers (caps out at below 15kgs, many other prams are ~22kg)
* The buckle is fussy to lock/unlock
* The handles are non-adjustable for shorter or taller parents and suffer poor ergonomics
* The lack of any working suspension and cheap tyres make it unusable for any surfaces without waking the child when in motion and the fixed seat angle will also limit finding a comfortable sleep angle
* No dedicated accessories, generics do not fit as well
UPPABaby simply know their stuff and it is why so many competitors have tried to emulate their success with similar designs.
If all you can afford is a Kmart then it is all you can afford.
There are used prams and strollers for $100-300 that with a bit of searching and elbow grease cleaning up will be better in every way.
Beyond $400 and new you can get some really nice used prams or new with warranty and more confidence in reliability.
If you can afford the initial cost, going for a better and more expensive pram can be more worthwhile for parents as:
* if it is a popular pram, they can resale at a higher price than a less popular and cheaper pram and recoup some of the costs
* to which the original owner would of enjoyed a better experience (ergonomics, versatility, child comfort and protection, able to be used for more than one child, etc) with a better built pram whilst they had use for it
* if they consider a second child, the better build will increase usage
The Vista and similar premium strollers meets that end of the market.
@clandestino: You can't take two minutes to read through a spoon fed rundown filled with excellent detail of how to buy a great pram for a baby at a very reasonable price? I'd recommend against becoming a parent soon because the challenges are exponentially harder than this.
@clandestino: This should probably be a slight cause for concern and possibly something you should look at working on.
It will not serve you well in life if you have the lack of discipline, attention and will power to be able to ready a short amount of text and comprehend what is being said. Particularly if someone is responding directly to you, as a human of even mild intelligence you should easily be able to maintain focus long enough to finish the above.
@Lois Price: If being ableist is having the ability to maintain focus for two minutes, and to be able to read then we truly have fallen as a society.
(For the record I'm vary aware that you're more than likely being sarcastic)
@slipstreamexpress: Not being sarcastic. Your further comment only reconfirms my view. You’re welcome to disagree. Best, Lois.
@Lois Price: I have a sneaking suspicion that anyone who doesn't immediately and fully agree with you would only 'reconfirm your view'. But hey, that's just my opinion, you're welcome disagree.
Best, Slipstream.
It reviews so well that many buyers will gladly pay more than a cheaper model that ticks the same boxes in features
We got a new baby city mini jogger for ~$350 and used it for 7 years and still sold it for $100. It was fantastic the whole time. $1600 for a pram is a joke,
EDIT: The model I had is apparently closer to $600 now, it was about $350 in 2014
Yes, that one sucks. Hard to push and fold, unpadded. If you go to the $200 range, that's where value is. The differences are not remotely worth the $1700 gap, so I have no idea why people buy these unless they are rich.
Started looking at prams seriously, and the one that they demoed for $1000 already looked pretty featured (and expensive).
Without sounding as snarky as $25 Kmart pram there was one at Big W for $300 (albeit clearance special) which looked just as featured.
Even with the usual diminishing returns thing I wonder what extra stuff you get at $1.6k!
I'm 38, have two, spent ~$400 on the pram and reused it.
This is effing ridiculous and honestly the people I see buying them are the same ones complaining about housing affordability.
They'll say 'its a one off 'investment' for the child' and 'how can a pram purchase impact housing!!!!'. The child does not remember what pram you used, there are plenty of prams wayyyy cheaper that just do the job. It's a mindset problem among millennials, and i'll get downvoted but honestly it's getting to a point where I say our generation absolutely deserve it.
Australia has a lot of property investors. For every family struggling to pay rent and buying the $25 pram, there's another family that owns at least that house and may have owned it for decades and can afford a $1900 pram. The more land value and scarcity rises, the more expensive the V4 will be. It's the great Australian dream, to have multiple other families, your tenants, working hard to buy your $1900 pram.
Godamn avocado toast eaters!
The value is in buying second hand. My wife got lucky and got a dirty Redsbaby Jive 2 for free off FB. Cleaned it up and it's as good as new.
Redsbaby Jives and other quality prams regularly sell for $200ish on FB and are miles better than a new $200 one. You can even pickup a double for around the $300 mark if you keep your eyes open. We picked up a Baby Jogger double pram for about $300 in excellent condition. Quality is miles better than even the new $400 single prams, although probably too heavy for the Mrs to use daily in and out of the car.
I grew up in one of those 35 years ago. Now you know how old I am…
My dad also had a Datsun Sunny. Oh how times have changed.
If you grew up in the same pram… Doesn't that mean times haven't changed???
I mean, it's not impossible to see someone unloading a Kmart pram from a Datsun Sunny, but it is a highly unlikely sight to see nowadays. I normally see a Kia/Hyundai/Toyota SUV with a semi-expensive pram.
There's lots of things to consider:
Seems like a racket that they charge $1500, i have one that is $1500 RRP, got it half price but it still doesn't seem like $800 worth of hardware. But I am sure a $25 wouldn't have cut it and likely would have broken by now.
Is there a difference? Of course. Are these stupidly expensive prams ridiculously over-priced because there are enough people willing to pay it? Of course.
Not just pushing, it’s smoother to fold, unfold, clip on and off stuff, sturdy, has a huge basket downwards etc and you feel like all the design is just about right, just like Apple products. Though as an ozbargainer, I totally agree it’s ridiculously priced and no way I’m paying full price for it, so I got a V1 for free on Market place. It was a bit faded and the color is stupid, but imo it works the same.
My 3 kids all used a $400 stroller (Valcobaby Snap Ultra I believe, sold it a while ago), it was perfect.
* Lightweight, smooth to push, one-handed
* Setup/pack down with one hand
* Fits fine in the car boot
* Backrest reclines (so many baby naps can be had)
* Canopy completely cocoons to keep your baby dry / in the dark
* Big storage basket underneath to throw all your shit in
The only issue is because it's so lightweight, if your kid gets free of the straps and stands up and leans backwards, the whole thing will tip over backwards unless you have something heavy in the storage basket underneath to weigh it down. (it only happened once)
Whereas the Kmart one misses a few of those key features.
I don't know what I missed out on with those $1000+ strollers, but I think my pram already did everything I needed it to.
Carfree here. Is there any realistic difference between a Hyundai and a BMW? Home free here, why do people pay more money for a house in Sydney when they can simply live in an apartment in Penrith?
I can't imagine "I'm childfree" means you have somehow avoided the idea of variable product quality, functionality and non linear returns on incremental spend. Mums, like every other non-billionaire demographic on the planet, should be allowed to spend their money how they want to without somebody who admittedly knows nothing about the area leaping to suggest it's about flexing on other mums.
Christ forbid a woman going through the humungous financial and physical expense of bringing a child into the world should spend an extra $1500 from a perspective of functionality, fear, love or even just wanting something that looks beautiful for them and their child during a challenging time of life. It could only be a play for ego and social standing 🙄
Helen Reddy ^
Same used a kmart one for all 3 kids not sure why everyone is after a 1.5k pram these days. The baby outgrows very quickly. Can the smoothness be extra silicon spray or WD40? Saw a workmates baby wish list some expensive stuff.
Marketing mostly. The Kmat one is a POS, but a decent pram for a few hundred is more than sufficient compared to this wanky thing.
That's like asking if there's a difference between a $50 netbook and a MacBook Pro.
Functionally yes, you can run programs on either of them and edit photos/watch videos/play games. Do people get MacBooks just for bragging rights or is there also some level of improved user experience?
Same for the prams, this is like a MacBook of the pram market. There are better value options for less, there are even more premium models too. There are lots of expos and stuff where you can go to test out different models, or just try them out at stores.
There is a difference in smoothness obviously. There are a lot more features in the expensive ones you just don't get in the K-mart one that are useful at the beginning. We found just having space to keep bags etc was quite handy.
That being said we did pick up one of the K-mart prams now that our kid is 16 months old and just throw it in the 2nd car to have when we have a quick trip but for everything else we use the big one.
At this price point it comes with a designer baby
would love to know what the premium offers because I have gifted similar kinda one for 300
Does the upscale spending encourage people to have more children and thereby more sex?
Nope. It's a status item. Influencers can't have the golden child soaking up adoration of the masses in a common pram.
Another excuse to stay single. Jokes aside, to the parents who've purchased this, is it really worth it?
Cost more than the 3" stainless steel mid pipe with postage from the UK, that I bought recently. I know, I know, it's comparing apples and fridges, but just seems excessive for a pram?
The question you should ask; does this pram go VROOM VROOM?
I hope it does. Should be at least 100hp at the wheels
Worth is entirely subjective. There is no way in hell i would spend near that coin on a pram regardless of what features it had, but plenty of folks do. Everyones lifestyle is different.
The V2 absolutely worth it for us. Our pram is used everyday, sometimes for hours (long walks etc). Is very easy to push a toddler, a baby and 3 bags of shopping at the same time on basically any terrain except sand. Has taken an absolute beating and still hasnt faulted in any way and i wont be surprised if it stays that way. Some people are happy to spend $2000 on a tv or a couch but we have found great value in this pram. Have used other peoples and never been as good. If you only use a pram to push kids around in a shopping centre then it would not be worth it.
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To be fair, a lot more engineering and manufacturing went into this than your bit of 3" tube that's bent slightly…
Is $1000 excessive for a 3" stainless steel mid pipe? It's just a pipe, right?
Non-engineer here. Is there any realistic difference between this and the $2 pool noodle from K-Mart?
Is the "steeliness" of the pipe worth the $1000+ premium, or is it more about flexing on the other engineers at the water cooler? In any case, I doubt the structure cares.
If only!
Ozbargainers have come a long way to consider a $200 discount on a $2000 pram a deal
100% and ex display, c'mon.
Yeah definitely not a bargain no matter your financial position or views on kmart vs joie vs uppababy
Maybe the hubby convinced OP it was good value and he had to post it here for male validation of the purchase last year haha
Nope, I actually convinced my wife as I always wanted the vista.
I used the TCN 15% off gift cards for Baby Bunting last year.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/876605
@TestIgnoreMe: When do you gather the kids around the fire and tell them that you not only provided for them but also got 15% off on all their belongings
Cost of living crisis….
Not saying it's a bad deal. Obviously better quality then the Kmart and other brands. Better to turn, less bumpy. Better insulation and material. End of the day with 5 children, this is to transport from car into shops and back. Down to park and so on. If going for lot of bush walks and perhaps running I probably go with something like this. If not and as we done, gone the cheaper options. They grow so quick and just getting around with a $29 Kmart after the pram, as much smaller and quite ok. Now the youngest is 2 and no way getting into any pram. He just walks, well jumps everywhere. I have tried similar ones and they are good. We just couldn't justify the price. Can also see new parents getting these ones, and don't get me wrong. Accompanied with a Stanley.
Too late lol.
Something around 400-600 probably good enough. You will only get 3 years use max out it if you are lucky.
Having said that, if you have money laying around and can't think of anything better to use then by all means why not.
i had the V1 it was a 'great' pram but it was very expensive - i know people who brought cheaper prams and had issues and ended up buying more expensive ones later so i dont ''recommend' buying a cheap pram but you dont need to 'spend' this much but if you do you know your getting a 'good product' but imho it was over priced
some of the prams in the 500-800 range will do the job
The UppaBaby Cruz V2 seems to be the best bang for the buck in the UppaBaby product line. Some real bargains 2nd handed out there.
I wonder how many people who have bought this $1000+ pram or are contemplating buying it were brought up perfectly fine getting pushed around in a $50-$100 Kmart, big w, target, toysrus pram? No one would even remember from that age either. Allowing for inflation $100 from 30 years ago is about $200 now.
I got an uppababy from marketplace for free and didnt even realise it was a 'brand'. Did the job but wouldn't pay this much.
First and foremost - it's a status symbol.
If you consider how global expenditure on luxury goods has taken off over the past 10 or 15 years, when the market for these products makes more sense.
Guys, try Emmaljunga prams. Plenty to buy for about $300 used. Incredibly lightweight and versatile. Once tried, you will never buy another brand
People justifying their overspend saying pram handles like a f1. Have a city mini gt bought from Amazon for 350. Still going strong after 6 years.
We bought a circa 1.2k pram off marketplace in as new condition for $300 and have flogged it to the point the tyres have worn out.
1k plus for a pram is extortion manifest.
You can get these 2nd hand for around $500. Sustainable and cheaper than buying a new one.
Get it detailed at a pram cleaning service, and it will look as good as new.
Have had the V2 for 4+ years with daily use. At the time I did a significant amount of research and testing with city jogger and all the others. If you can afford it, this is the best pram on the market. Weight distribution especially with 2 children is fantastic. Enables extremely smooth rolling and turning with the weight and holds a large amount of gear in the trolley.
Bought ours 4 years ago, has been on many overseas and domestic trips. it's been in mud, sand and snow. outside of minor paint scratching this still looks and functions like the day I bought it. it's bulletproof. if you can afford and justify it, it's worth it.
Dumbest thing ive ever bought. A $2000 pram.
I look back at it, anyway, second kid got the 200 job. No difference except i wasnt carrying around this ridiculous tank that didnt fit anywhere.
Lets be serious, you never bought a $2,000 pram. If you did, you wouldn have used it on the second kid as well, rather than buying a $200 pram. Please done lie, it makes you look silly.
Thats a ridiculous take.. do you sell them or something? What i said is what happened to me. Clearly, youve bought your pram and have no regrets. Some people arent that functional. I am. My wife and I also can comfortable afford these, so it only hits home when you took a step back and realised what you were getting for the money.
Sorry, but the one we bought sucked, it was too wide, too heavy.. too luxurious for its actual use case. Felt nice for the first few days getting about but once you actually needed to chuck it in the back of family SUV or my sedan it was jjst a pain the ass. Kids couldnt tell the difference. Probably didnt help that my son was walking by the time he was 9 months. My daughter didnt walk until 14 months but again had no interest in the chair. It was mpre of a parent pleasure than something special for the kid. Bugaboo is what we bought. Still the dumbest thing ive bought.
I actually haven't picked a pram yet but am currently looking. The expensive prams have a lot going for them simply on the basis that they are built to last last longer than one kid, can be extended to take two kids at once and can be modified depending on the use case. I am not sure why you would have thrown yours out after the first kid, when the entire point of this style if pram is that it is future proof.
Getting in and out of the car with ease appears to be the selling point of these types of prams, so again, I don't think your comments are accurate.
Simplistic way of looking at it, but this costs your $1,600 and can last you 2 or 3 children. If you take moderate care of it, you can sell it for $600 when you're done with it so your loss is circa $330 - $500 per child depending on whether you have 2 or 3 kids. Buying a cheap $300 pram that gets thrown out at the end of each pregnancy and has no future sale value will set you back the same amount - $300 per child.
This is a lot like arguing that a $20k MG is a better investment than a $50k Toyota because it's $30k cheaper up front. That may seem the case on the face of it, but not when you factor in how long they last and what the resale value is.
My first car was cheaper than this pram!
Pram companies are basically taking a piss charging $1.5 to $2k for a pram. I don’t blame them because I was a young parent myself and I would pay for stuff like that for my first kid. COTS can go up to $2k and basically anything got “for baby” attracts a baby tax. Once I was on my third one, anything on Facebook marketplace will do.
Haha taking a piss
Just get a brickies barrow, an umbrella and a doona. You're welcome.
Wild comment thread. Thanks everyone.
We got a City Select 2 double pram in perfect condition on marketplace for $250. Not sure what extra you get paying 6 times more.
thanks for 2 for my twins
I’m sure for the price you pay it can be justified for what it is.
We’ve been using joie baby travel system (capsule + pram) for about 6 years now. Shared with a friend in between and all together 4 kids have used it (+ over seas travel) and is still going strong. Costed me about 1/4 of this item.
Top quality pram with a great saving - if you can’t afford it that’s fine, no point trying to shit on those that can.
My understanding is that this pram has attachments that also allow for it to be used with a second baby. A lot of the cheap prams being linked are single only.
Its not about being able to afford it, its about the price being a absolute rip off.
![[Ex Display] UPPAbaby VISTA V3 with Bassinet (Greyson) $1,600 Delivered (RRP $1,899) @ Uppababy Australia](https://files.ozbargain.com.au/n/83/902783.jpg?h=a91770ef)
I have one of these from a sale late last year - absolute gem of a pram. Can't recommend them enough - and I tested many in-store during my researching.