Came across this situation the other day (I was in the red car turning right) and was wondering , what's the order of the right of way in this situation? Is my understanding correct in that it's supposed to be blue, green then red?
Edit: The intersection in question (from my point of view - the red car), since MS Paint wanted a window and chimney (sorry no squiggly smoke or door)
Edit 2: Poll added as per nobro25's request
@pegaxs Trigger warning
Pegaxs> Well akshully… *head assplodes*
I'm going to log out and come play again tomorrow. He is going to loose lose his 💩 and I don't want to get involved.
Also, the house needs a door, window and chimney with squiggly smoke so we can understand the wind direction.
Ripping a stationary burnout lets you use the tyre smoke to judge wind direction. It also shows your dominance of the situation and makes the submissive cars give way you right of way.
Also missing the sun in the corner of the page
pegaxs rage bait post
Is there some kind of in-joke you'd like to let us in on :P
Firstly, there's no right of way in Australia.
Cars on the road, joining the road etc must give way to other cars/pedestrians/things/your mum - they do not have the right of way over another person/vehicle/etc.
It's not very clear from your picture what is going on. It would probably be sensible for the red car to wait until all other cars are on the road.
That said:
It looks like two T-intersections, and one car that is entering the road from the drive way.
Those turning left or right at a T-intersection from the terminating road must give way to vehicles traveling on the continuing road or pedestrians crossing the continuing road or otherwise crossing near the intersection.
If the green and red car are at the intersections at the same time and there were no cars on the continuing road, and they're likely to cross paths, it would be a case of the red car must give way to the green car.
If they did not arrive at the same time, and the red car can go, then all fine and dandy.
Blue car must give way to both vehicles, as it is entering the road from a road-related area or adjacent land, and must give way to any vehicle on the road or turning into the road, pedestrians on the road, pedestrians crossing their path to enter the road, etc.
Firstly, there's no right of way in Australia.
Welllllllll… akshully…. There is in WA road rules… WA Road Rule #45 and #95 specifically state "Right of way…" and pertain to intersections and roundabouts. (You can view it in all its stupidity "splendor" here)
Annnnnyway…"Right of way" is a piece of legislation that gives land locked land owners the ability to have access to their land across parcels of land that would be otherwise owned by other parties or the crown. "Right of way" is an easement that owners of land must provide if the land behind there has blocked access to roads.
So, yeah, unfortunately, there is such a thing as "right of way" in Australia. :P
But as in OP's case, being they are in Victoria… then no, you are 100%…. unless the Blue car is using a "right of way" easement driveway to enter the road… then they have "right of way"… on that "easement"… :D
WA Road Rule #45 and #95 specifically state "Right of way…"
but they both go on to state who must give way, rather than who has right of way.
Yep you got it, and why.
+1 for the ms paint diagram
There is no right of way in traffic law. There is only responsibility to give way.
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You aren't the only one it triggers!
That's sort of right. Except where a road intercepts a railway track. Trains have right of way, because they are travelling on the railway right of way. Which is any land on which a line of railway is situated.
Can you point to it in the traffic law?
Is blue a driveway?
doesnt matter, blue gives way to green, red to both.
Driveway gives way to all road traffic. Laws elsewhere in this thread.
Plot twist. There's nobody in the blue car in the driveway so chances are it's parked.
sweet learnt something today !
mind…the red and the blue would want to be keeping an eye on each other, pretty sure it's not a well known / followed road rule.
JFC, that is painful to read…
Anyway, Green, Red then Blue (providing that Blue is entering from a property)
Green would be entering from further down the road, so Red would have to wait on them as Green would be approaching on the road to Red's left and Blue is entering the road from a "road related area" so, they go last. The only person who would go even more lasterer would be the white car doing the illegal u-turn over the unbroken centre line.
OP, are you telling us there was a driveway directly on the T intersection? (making it like a crossroads?) Very poor planning there.
According to Australian road rules:
The vehicle turning right must give way to the vehicle turning left.
This is because turning right involves crossing the path of oncoming traffic (even if from an offset), and the turning left vehicle is seen as having the "through" or more direct movement.
This rule holds even when the intersections are offset, as long as the two vehicles could collide if they moved at the same time.
Pretty much. I may not have represented the situation exactly, the driveway was slightly to my right
green, then red, then blue
None of these cars have wheels.
Brown.
Interesting to see how many people don't know the rules about who gives way to who when pulling out of a driveway.
The law;
NSW ROAD RULES 2014 - REG 74
Giving way when entering a road from a road related area or adjacent land (DRIVEWAY!)
74 Giving way when entering a road from a road related area or adjacent land
HENCE:-
Blue has to give way to green, but red needs to give way to blue! I was surprised to read red had to give way as we have a similar situating near where i live where i look left and right and fail to see people coming out of hidden driveways!
You appear to have ended your *** too early and missed the part where blue must give way to vehicles turning into the road it is entering.
(1) A driver entering a road from a road related area, or adjacent land, without traffic lights or a stop sign, stop line, give way sign or give way line must give way to—
*** >>>> (a) any vehicle travelling on the road or **** turning **** into the road (except a vehicle turning right into the road from a road related area or adjacent land),
This is too vague. What if the intersection with the green car was 500 m further away? How far away is the cut-off?
To give way means you must not go if you will impede the progress of the other vehicle.
If its 500m away and you can enter the road and accelerate to speed before the other vehicle arrives, you are OK to go. Its a judgement call, one that drivers screw up regularly but none the less, a judgement call.
How did you come to the conclusion that red needs to give way to blue from what you just quoted?? It literally says that the blue car must give way to:
(a) any vehicle travelling on the road or **** turning **** into the road (except a vehicle turning right into the road from a road related area or adjacent land)
Red is on the road, not any of the exceptions.
Why do legal texts always have to be so unclear and without diagrams! You are right.
I now agree the exception was for vehicles coming from anything but a road, say also a driveway. A road related area is clearly not 'a road' i guess… sigh.
The blue car exiting the private driveway must give way to all other vehicles on the road, including those turning onto it.
The green car turning left onto the road has priority over the car waiting to turn right because left-turning vehicles generally have right-of-way over right-turning ones. The red car waiting to turn right must yield to both the left-turning vehicle and any oncoming traffic before proceeding. So the left-turning car enters the road first, the right-turning car follows once it's safe, and the car exiting the driveway moves last.
The white truck on the left.
Who has the right of way?
whoever floors the accelerator first …
There goes Habibi…
If there are 3 cars there all at the same time, as long as it is safe to do so,
Green, red, blue
Blue is a private driveway and has to give way to everything.
If green enters the main road first, red has to give way.
Its not an intersection so right of way doesn't directly apply. Instead you have to play it according to when and speed of others getting onto the main road
I thought traffic lights had red, green and orange, but this post has a strange blue colored lines.
Assuming any of them will hit any of the others if they all go at the same time and can all see each other, then green, red, blue.
Scissors, paper, rock.
If its a tie, call a tow truck, youll need a panel beater.
What happens if your colour blind?
Brail.
My father was colour blind. He said that's why he didn't like driving in cities where there were any traffic lights. People would nod sympathetically, think about it a bit, then realise there's a reason you don't have to know what colour traffic lights are.
Top one's red, bottom one's green. How hard can it be?
Distinguishing different coloured capsicums apart is quite challenging though.
And which electric wire is the live one.
There is no diagram on here with blue car, green, car, red car.
Where is this intersection? Nannup ? Rubyvale ? Ivy tanks?
See edit
Can OP put up a Poll. I want to see what the general Oz bargain person will say despite there's generally only one correct answer. But there's Flat-Earthers out there.
Eg.
Blue, Green, Red
Green, Red, Blue
Red, Green, Blue
Etc
Done
All the power went off here in Adelaide a couple of years ago, including the power to the traffic lights. What was amazing was that not only were there remarkably few crashes, the traffic actually flowed surprisingly well. Between that and the huge range of answers here on OzBargain whenever there's a question about who gives way to who, you have to conclude that the traffic laws aren't nearly as important as the people who write them, and the people who enforce them, think. Because clearly so many people don't know what they are, don't care what they are, and/or can pretty successfully make up something on the fly as needed without running into too many other people.
There was a road safety exercise a while back somewhere in Europe that they called "naked roads" where they took away all the signs saying do this and don't do that and watch out for something else, and it worked.
That might work if everyone was equally courteous. Doesnt work when there are people who think they are more important than others.
If you applied your Utopian concept of "free for all", to the ppl who ask banal simplistic road rule/behaviour questions to the forums here, the roads would be gridlocked in metal stockpiles and rotting bodies.Just the stupid insurance claims, right of way questions demonstrate how risky it is venturing onto the roads. So many ppl have no clue.
The surprising factor is how low the road toll is, given there are cretins who actually believe overtaking as fast as possible is not only legal but safe. LOL.
to the ppl who ask banal simplistic road rule/behaviour questions to the forums here,
what about the brainrot posts with most engagement at the top of recent forums right now, such as "how to do put shoes on?" and "if you were gifted any car which car would it be?" oh and almost forgot "what do you think about Luxury goods made in china?".
"which men's perfume is best?" also seems to be a popular one. 😂
seriously don't know why people click these and how they find it so interesting/entertaining..
the roads would be gridlocked in metal stockpiles and rotting bodies
Have you travelled overseas?
Yep
Has anybody else been humming that rainbow song whilst reading this thread?
blue green red
Only if blue is already out of the driveway, waiting on the footpath with no pedestrians, ready to rip a burnout into traffic.
If blue is still in the driveway creeping out to the footpath, green should floor it and rip a burnout into traffic.
So many votes for red needing to give way to blue… Was the poll put up before clarification that blue was entering from a driveway?
There's nobody in the blue car. It's parked so it's not going anywhere.
Okay, judging by the poll responses I'm glad to see thatI'm not alone in being confused…but it is also somewhat concerning that there's no clear consensus. I think the only takeaway from all of this is that there's no "right of way" in this situation, only the responsibility to give way
Who has the right of way?
The truck.
If I were red I'd be waiting for both the other cars.
Blue and green, I think it depends on who gets there first and is decisive enough to enter the road. Arguably, they could both enter at the same time if they both drive like normal people (unlikely) and the distance between the roads is enough.
Green, Blue Red.
Green and Blue are equal at that point, however if Green manages to speed out and T-Bone Blue then Blue would be blamed unless there was proof Green wasnt already out first.
Are you the ur RED car is even allowed to take a right and cross over at all?
As -
1. Solid line
2. Keep left
Green, Blue, Red
but if blue pulls out first then
Blue, Green, Red.
Who has the right of way?
I think OP means "Who is going the right way?".
I have never heard someone say it the way OP has.
ok so a legal term. and "right" as in "right of freedom of speech" I think I get it and "human rights" I always thought that one sounded funny. 😂
You have zero right of way in this scenario.That's all that matters. Oh, except that, because you even had to ask, for the communities safety, hand your license in.Pronto
Red has to give way to everyone.
Wrong, correct answer is whoever is faster and red cars are faster, so red goes first.
Yep, this is the correct answer in this situation and all situations similar to this. Everyone needs to give way to whoever enters the intersection first, eg. giveway + stop sign, 2x stop signs etc. The rules are very clear about giving way to everyone in the intersection/round-a-bout.
Tesla has been programmed to be on the right. Often the far right.
More specifically..
Everyone gives way to traffic already travelling on the main road.
Assuming Blue pulls out first before Green….
Blue, Green, Red
But if green pulls out first then..
Green, Blue, Red
Green, red, blue.
Once green turns left from the road its on and is on the road that the others want to enter, they have to give way to it, Red can then turn right at the T-intersection after green passes. Blue is entering the road from a driveway, and has to wait and give way to everyone else.
From Red point of view, it will be last. So sit back and wait for traffic to clear then your turn to "cross the road", simple.
Well… No… Blue is leaving from a private driveway… If blue went it would be a honk from red
First up, all cars need to give way as their roads are terminating at t-intersections (or, in the case of the blue car, at a driveway).
The green car gets to go first, and does not need to wait for the other two. They do, however, need to give way to their right (i.e. traffic already on the road).
The red car must give way to all cars on both sides of the street - those coming from its right and its left. Assuming they are allowed to turn (and the line isn't unbroken, as in the diagram, but is actually a broken line) they need to give way to the green car and any other cars in that lane.
The blue care must give way to all traffic already on the road (i.e., the green car and any other car). I'm assuming that's a driveway, and not a one-way road. They aren't yet on the road, so must give way to all traffic, including the red car, before they can get onto the road.
If I was the red car, I wouldn't proceed into that intersection unless it was safe to exit it. If that meant waiting for the blue car to back out, that's what I would do.
If I was the blue car, I wouldn't back out until it was safe to enter the road. That would mean, giving way to the red car.