Double Roundabout Accident Question

truongster on 18/05/2025 - 22:40
Last edited 19/05/2025 - 22:57

Hi fellas here's another question for you all.

(Driver A - Tesla - Right lane - Orange MS Paint Line)
(Driver B - Mustang - Left lane - Blue MS Paint Line)

Driver A enters roundabout (two lanes) from right most lane with intention to turn right.
Driver B enters roundabout from left lane also indicates to turn right.

Lane markings show

  • Right lane must only turn right
  • Left lane can go straight or right.

Driver B makes a uturn throughout the roundabout.
Driver A turns right and in doing so goes through outer most lane in the roundabout.
Driver A's front left impacts Driver's B's side.

So who is at fault?

Edit: Comprehensive insurance claim sent.

Poll Options

  • 83
    Driver A (Right lane Tesla driver)
  • 393
    Driver B (Left lane Mustang driver)
Automotive

Comments

    • star-ggg on 21/05/2025 - 05:39
      +1

      I'm genuinely concerned you don't know you can change lanes in a roundabout.

  • Nebargains on 21/05/2025 - 05:53
    +2

    This is a very poorly signed roundabout. Logic suggests that very very few people would be doing a U-turn there and that most cars turning right at that roundabout intend to take the exit the Tesla did, so the Mustang should have been aware of that.

    But none of the signage indicates the left lane must exit there?

    Also cars coming from the left on Australia Ave can go right in their left hand lane and although you give way to cars to the right it's possible to have a scenario where you entered in the left lane there, then a car comes from the right on the inside lane and intends to exit cutting across the lane.

    To me it seems like the Tesla is at fault, ultimately it merged into another vehicle that was already in that lane. Accident could have been avoided by the Tesla driver having eyeballs. The accident could have also been avoided by having some proper signage indicating the path of the lanes.

    It makes no sense that the inside lane can exit there in IMO.

  • surfingedge on 21/05/2025 - 06:01
    +6

    I also voted car B (OP not at fault) initially. After thinking over it and reading the latest comments, I have been persuaded the OP was wrong, or at least more at fault than car A.

    The other car was still signalling right at the time of passing under Homebush Bay Drive, and also further ahead than the OP.

    Basically the OP did not even think of the possibility that the other car might want to do a U-turn, and assumed the other car was also going to exit into Underwood Road - where the two lanes quickly merge into one, so the OP perhaps sped up in order to beat the other car into the single lane.

    Maybe, the other car should have slowed down even more and known that they were doing something unusual (even if permitted by the arrows). They should have seen the OP coming up from behind them on the inside and been aware that the OP was likely going to exit the roundabout.

    If I were the other car I would have tried to let the OP go in front of me. The dashcam footage is not sufficient for me to tell whether the other driver may have been thinking or whether they were aware of the OP's car at all.

    • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 10:21
      -6

      Jesus christ hand in your license buddy.

  • kiwimex on 21/05/2025 - 07:19
    +2

    224 voters and counting who should be handing their licences back…..well at least this will solve the traffic issues.

    • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 10:22
      +2

      We need to take those 36 people off the road RIGHT NOW who voted the Tesla was at fault.

      My god what world do we live in where you think you can do a U turn from the MOST LEFT LANE. This ain't a hook turn in Melbourne you nitwits.

      • Browsers on 21/05/2025 - 11:34
        -1

        I agree - and those respondents fixating on the clearly flawed line markings seem unable to get that.

      • SpendLess on 21/05/2025 - 12:26
        +1

        Going to BLOW your minds out with some facts… this roundabout has more than one exit where the inner lane could exit safely… WOW
        imagine that! a roundabout with more than 1 exit! thats right MORE THAN 1 exit

        • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 12:28

          Yes and doing a U turn in the left lane is idiotic. If you want to do a U turn, do it in the inner right lane.

          Goto any intersection with a traffic light where there are 2 lanes to turn right and try pull a U turn off in the left lane (turning right). You'll see that you're a dummy and I'm right.

          • SpendLess on 21/05/2025 - 12:50

            @eddyah: we not talking about any intersection we talking about this one

            what if you were the below scenario top right and u were the middle white car doing a U turn? and the inner white car that is closest to the centre went straight and hit you? would you go shit mate my fault? lets see whos the dummy here

            https://imgur.com/1wzZjrG

            • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 13:28

              @SpendLess: You should be in the right lane to do the U-Turn not the middle lane at the top. Middle white car MUST EXIT from the bottom exit.

              The inner white car is NOT ALLOWED to go straight (towards the right of the image). It's very clear they need to continue and head towards the bottom exit (or continue doing a U-Turn).

  • GordonD on 21/05/2025 - 09:30

    A whole lot of people here seem to think the OP's video clip is of the intersection where the collision occurred. It isn't. You can see that by the fact the road the cars are on is parallel to the overhead road.

    It is of the intersection that was the two cars point of entry to the roundabout, because the OP is arguing that what driver B did there of allegedly being in the wrong lane means driver B was a fault when the collision later occurred. The collision occurred further round the roundabout at the intersection where the OP (driver A) wanted to exit and to do so cut across from the right hand lane in front of driver B in the left hand lane.

    At that point, the exit intersection, it was the OP who failed to obey the road markings.

  • SpendLess on 21/05/2025 - 12:24
    +2

    Linking the Specsaver deal for the 253 voters so they can see the road markings when they are driving

    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/899905

    • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 12:31

      Please attempt a U turn from the left most lane and get back to us.

      • SpendLess on 21/05/2025 - 12:47
        -1

        If the road markings allowed it i would.

        • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 13:18

          "If the road markings allowed it" - good show me WHERE there was a marking to indicate you can in OPs scenario.

  • Kremleen on 21/05/2025 - 12:26
    +7

    The stupidity on here saying Tesla driver is at fault is on another level. Please OP give us an update from the insurance company so people on here can stfu and reread the road rules.

    You can not make a U turn from the left most lane in a roundabout. If you wish to do so, you need to be in the right most lane.

    • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 12:30
      +3

      I've said the same thing above - people need better driver education clearly.

      • SpendLess on 21/05/2025 - 12:42
        -1

        Every road condition is different. Follow the signs you see and the lines.
        At the start you can already see the on the road arrows showing he can go straight or turn RIGHT, Tesla can only RIGHT.
        At the point of the accident Mustang had lines where he could exit or continue turning right (U Turn) while the Tesla needs to U-turn OR indicate and exit safely.

        Here is a link to nsw road rules:

        https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-s…

        Turning right or making a full turn (U-turn)

        On approach you must indicate right, and turn using the right lane, unless arrows show you can use other lanes to turn right.

        You must give way to all vehicles already on the roundabout.

        You must continue to indicate right as you turn. When you leave, you must indicate left, if practical.

        • Kremleen on 21/05/2025 - 12:49
          +4

          Mate, keep barking on that hill. I had been called to an incident scene (friend got into an accident and needed a lift) IDENTICAL to this with the Highway Police officers attended so please tell me more. The one making a U turn from the left also got a fine from the highway police officers.

          • star-ggg on 21/05/2025 - 13:55
            +1

            @Kremleen: Link to clearly written road rules vs "my friend" anecdote. Nice one mate!

      • SpendLess on 21/05/2025 - 12:45
        +1

        i do agree with others that are saying there should be more arrows drawn on the road to make things clearer like this roundabout. Imagine OP scenario as the cars in the top right but ignore the outter most black car. White car in front is the Mustang while the inner white car further back is the Tesla which cant exit here but can exit further down

        https://imgur.com/1wzZjrG

        • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 13:21

          More arrows isn't the solution. The problem is people like you that can't seem to grasp the idea that you shouldn't U turn from the left lane. WHERE on earth are the people on the right lane who are genuinely turning right suppose to do? You're guaranteeing an accident with that kind of behaviour.

          To state, 'oh i need a better line marking to give me a clue on what i should do' suggests really poor judgement, driver awareness and general lack of situational awareness.

  • redslert on 21/05/2025 - 12:50
    +4

    This is what majority of people THINK the roundabout is suppose to be:
    Spiral Roundabout: https://www.racq.com.au/-/media/project/racqgroup/racq/artic…

    However the particular roundabout in questions is NOT a spiral roundabout.
    It is a conventional roundabout: https://www.td.gov.hk/filemanager/en/content_319/71f_n.gif
    If you take the right-lane, then you must change lanes to exit and give way to any traffic on the left lane.

    • ozfool on 21/05/2025 - 13:48

      It seems obviously dangerous to put that second kind of roundabout in Australia where everybody is used to the first type.

      And how does that second kind even work in practice if both lanes are busy, would you have to stop inside the roundabout and wait for room in the left lane? Or do extra laps in the right lane until you find a place to merge out?

    • john_conner on 22/05/2025 - 00:04

      This is the best explanation here. The fact that you needed to refer to a diagram from another country shows how rare this type of roundabout is in Australia.

  • SpendLess on 21/05/2025 - 12:54
    +1

    Ok for the 250+ people that voted for Mustang is in the wrong.
    Imagine the below scenario and tell me who is right or wrong cause the road markings below is similar but MUCH clearer markings

    Refer to the link below and the cars in the top right. If you were the middle white car (Mustang) doing a U turn and the inner white car (Tesla) that is closest to the centre went straight and hit you. Who is at fault?

    https://imgur.com/1wzZjrG

    a roundabout HAS MULTIPLE exits, the Tesla didnt only have that option to exit and not all roundabout are marked the same.

    • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 13:24

      This is going to blow your mind but there is NO confusion at all in this round about with line markings.

      • SpendLess on 21/05/2025 - 13:40
        +1

        Im glad you finally agree with me on the line marking then and that the Tesla is in the wrong

        here are the line markings at the accident point

        https://imgur.com/a/6cX2a8B

        • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 14:31
          +2

          Lol I see your confusion - that line simply divides the road.

          I misspoke when I said line marking - I should have said arrows painted on the road.

          • SpendLess on 21/05/2025 - 14:54
            +1

            @eddyah: ok so now imagine the roundabout is a straight road divided by this line. Do you think you can cross it automatically or do you think you need to give way?

            and simply divides the road comment is laughable. What do you think the line on the roads are for when you are driving? are they meaningless to you
            Even the arrow marking at the initial roads the car entered from shows the directions.
            Also look at Australia Ave like others have pointed out. What if someone from their entered the roundabout from the left lane, they are they allowed to go straight and turn right from the far left. If that happened the Tesla again would have driven into the car coming from Australia ave as they are allowed to turn right (not a U turn in this case) and go straight

            • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 18:54
              -1

              @SpendLess: You're confused with the purpose of a line marking (especially a single line marking).

              You have to cross it at some point. If fact you need to cross it to get into the lane to begin with. Line markings are guides for where your car should be within the lane, not an absolute you must stick to this area between the lines.

              • SpendLess on 21/05/2025 - 20:08
                +2

                @eddyah: do you even have an Australian drivers license or a drivers license at all? do you stick inbetween the lines when you do? cause thats what the lines on the road means. You absolute stay in between the lines and depending on the scenario if its a full solid or broken but either way you cant cross it or you can merge into the other lane when it is safe.

              • cloudy on 21/05/2025 - 21:44
                +1

                @eddyah:

                Line markings are guides for where your car should be within the lane, not an absolute you must stick to this area between the lines.

                Fully agree, but that's why when the Tesla entered the lane by crossing the lines he would have looked right and indicated right whilst driving into and across the lines. Now he is planning to leave the lane at some point to exit, which is perfectly fine, but he will now be crossing those lines on the left, and should therefore indicate left and check on his left for cars.

                If he had done so, an accident could be avoided.

                In saying all that, I do think mustang has more of the responsibility because, and only because he seems like he is behind the Tesla on this occasion, and being behind should give time to react as he ought to have known all cars in the roundabout will exit shortly, and most cars that entered in the same place as himself (but on the right lane) would be turning right and therefore the Tesla is 95% chance exiting there and should have seen it coming. So the mustang had reason and opportunity to avoid this crash as well.

    • Kremleen on 30/08/2025 - 12:18
      +2

      hey buddy, OP has a shocking update for you. You might want to sit down for this

  • DavidH68 on 21/05/2025 - 13:10
    +6

    Common sense would say the mustang should have been in the right lane but was still legally allowed to do what he did according to the line markings , the Tesla driver crossed over into another lane where the mustang was and caused the collision , the tesla should have merged into the left lane or have been in the left lane before taking any exit on the roundabout , the whole incident could have been avoided if the Tesla driver was more aware of his surroundings and not driving like he was the only one on the road.

    • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 13:22
      -7

      Get off the road please mate you're a hazard.

      Left lane options: Go straight OR turn right
      Right lane options: Turn right OR U-Turn

      I'm dead serious you have no idea how to drive is if this is complicated to you.

      • star-ggg on 21/05/2025 - 14:04
        +1

        What other driving rules do you have so we can all use them instead of the gubberment ones?

        • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 14:33
          -1

          Government ones? It's geometry my friend not the government. In your brain, you can turn left in the right most lane or turn right from the left most lane without impeding the other lane. I'm telling you this is physically not possible in many scenarios and you should reconsider how you drive/your situational awareness in most circumstances.

          You can try if you want to PLOW THROUGH a vehicle - please report back with success / fail and I assure you it's nothing to do with the government.

          • star-ggg on 21/05/2025 - 15:58
            +1

            @eddyah: I don't PLOW THROUGH vehicles cause I check blind spots when changing lanes instead of doing geometry in my head. But I will take your suggestion and reconsider which is better for situational awareness.

            • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 18:58
              -1

              @star-ggg: If you'll refer back to the video by the OP, there was no blind spot for the Tesla to worry about. A car (the mustang) literally turned into their path.

              If you're referring to the Mustang and them not checking their blind spot before doing an idiotic U turn from the left lane, then sure they should have checked their blindspot before turning into another car's right of way.

              Regardless you're pointing out exactly that I'm right and it's not some road rule or other, just what the thing your suppose to do in a situation.

      • cloudy on 21/05/2025 - 14:34
        +2

        So what if the mustang entered from Australia Ave on the left lane to turn right….Tesla and mustang would have collected each other like in the video…

        Your "options" doesn't solve anything.

        • SpendLess on 21/05/2025 - 14:51
          +1

          Very good point. Considering the inner lane which the Tesla is on is right turn only drivers on the outer lane can enter if the left lane is free. Also the if you look on google maps Australia Ave shows the left lane is straight or right turn and the right is right turn only.

          I guess this is why there are car accidents. So many people driving around thinking every road / roundabout is the same. Open your eyes, look at the road signs and follow them.

  • Ughhh on 21/05/2025 - 14:27
    +5

    What kind of stupid tree did the mustang fall from, to think it was a smart Idea to do a U turn on the outside lane.

    • ozfool on 21/05/2025 - 14:50
      +1

      Yeah even if he was allowed to do that, that's such an obvious failure mode, and I'd be taking the right lane from the get go or getting wayyy ahead of any competition. People can barely handle etiquette in normal roundabouts, throw in obscure lane changes and it's basically guaranteed pileups.

    • maverickjohn on 21/05/2025 - 20:39
      -1

      You don't turn left from a right lane. It's just not something you do and even illegal.. it's against the law to change lanes on a roundabout. Tesla cut through the left lane to turn left.
      For the ones negging me if you bothered to watch the video both lanes are marked to turn right you can't change lanes on a round about when both are designed to go the same direction.. some people are seriously dangerous drivers if they think that's ok .

  • bigticket on 21/05/2025 - 14:51
    +3

    Its hilarious that most have incorrectly voted.
    Most point out to the lane markings, indicating straight or a right turn for the mustang driver suggesting that a u-turn is not permitted. Utterly false. As pointed out by others, where have you seen no u-turn signage on a roundabout?

    Consider this scenario. Say the mustang driver did not enter from where they did but entered from Australia ave and proceeded to turn right and was hit by the Tesla driver under the same circumstances, obviously its the Tesla drivers fault using the naysayers own logic. Its ridiculous to say fault is determined from where a driver enters the roundabout, other things being equal. Also, its blatantly clear the Tesla driver was aware the mustangs presence and exact position and assumed it was exiting and negligently changed lanes without proper care to ensure it was safe to do so.

    Hand in your license guys.

    • Tman81 on 21/05/2025 - 15:21
      +2

      I feel butthurt. Im a Tesla driver and my view (as mentioned x2 in the post) is that the Tesla driver was at fault. Tesla needed to exit out of the lane safely, which it didn't. The Mustang had every right to be there. End of story.

    • ramb9 on 21/05/2025 - 15:28
      +1

      This is exactly it. If you follow the lane markings to the end, you can see, the turn right in the inner lane closes out at the u-turn (this is where the Tesla driver was SUPPOSE to exit).

      So in all technicality, the lane the Tesla driver was driving in, is the u-turn lane and the lane the mustang driver was driving in was the lane that gave him the option to turn right at that point or u-turn to the end.

      Check me

      PS: I love the irony in all the "Get off the road" comments with people completely wrong, lmfao!

    • X200T on 21/05/2025 - 22:26
      +1

      Consider this scenario. Say the mustang driver did not enter from where they did but entered from Australia ave and proceeded to turn right and was hit by the Tesla driver under the same circumstances, obviously its the Tesla drivers fault using the naysayers own logic. Its ridiculous to say fault is determined from where a driver enters the roundabout, other things being equal. Also, its blatantly clear the Tesla driver was aware the mustangs presence and exact position and assumed it was exiting and negligently changed lanes without proper care to ensure it was safe to do so.

      100% agreed!

      87% people voted driver B, I reckon we should add this question to knowledge test with two scenario enter the roundabout

  • Makaveli99 on 21/05/2025 - 16:49
    +1

    Driver b can turn left go straight & take 3rd exit. He moving around to take forth exist but the car in inside line(car A ) is existing at 3rd exist. I think road making might have consume people, as evident also in this spit of comments.

    • SpendLess on 21/05/2025 - 17:07
      +1

      Maybe you need to review your thoughts and look at Australia ave which is the next road on the left. Cars on the left lane on Australia ave can also go straight or turn right when entering the roundabout. So what happens if a car from here entered wanting to turn right and enters just behind the Tesla. Tesla turns into the car as it wants to go straight and this car wantes turn. So I guess Tesla can still do what it wants?

      road marking consuming people?? Mate they are there for this reason and exactly why this accident occurred

      • evocable on 21/05/2025 - 17:37
        +1

        You have to give way to both lanes of traffic in a roundabout? So the car entering would have to give way to the tesla?

        • SpendLess on 21/05/2025 - 19:22
          +1

          Thats true but doesnt mean the car could not enter at a speed right after the Tesla has gone past and be in the way of the Tesla at the point where it wanted to exit and go straight and the car that entered planned to continue turning. Once the car is on the roundabout the Tesla must give way to cars that is on the roundabout as well.

          • Browsers on 21/05/2025 - 19:31
            +1

            @SpendLess: Lights at the entry points are there to prevent this scenario from occurring.

            • SpendLess on 21/05/2025 - 19:52
              +1

              @Browsers: You cant say this scenario will 100% not happen. Ok, what if the lane the Tesla is in is a bit slow due to traffic that is on the inner lane only and the Mustang which in this scenario is now coming from the left lane from Australia Ave. Then further up ahead on the inner lane a car that originally planned to turn right thinks there is too much traffic on this inner lane and im going to take off and turn off and exit that left lane instead which now causes the Mustang that was turning on the outer left lane to hit this car. Same scenario? inner lane car going straight cut off the outer lane Mustang that entered from Australia ave that was doing his right / u turn.

              If i was Dr Strange i would list through another one trillion different scenario how this may happen but alas im not and you are stuck with the above.

              • Browsers on 21/05/2025 - 20:45
                +2

                @SpendLess: Laughably wrong.

                  • Browsers on 22/05/2025 - 16:30
                    +1

                    @SpendLess: Ok, laughter withdrawn, so that scenario with cars entering from different directions can occur - and in those cases I sympathise with both parties on such a poorly designed roundabout. In OP's case though I have no sympathy for the Mustang driver and every sympathy for the Telstra driver given Mustang's choice to attempt the 180 from the left lane, knowing there were adjacent vehicles intending to complete the right turn. Anyone who does that is increasing the risk of collision.

                    • SpendLess on 22/05/2025 - 16:55

                      @Browsers: yep all parties paying for a confusing design and they wont be the last till the planned upgrade…
                      From what another poster said the next turn off has another entrance to DFO which i guess maybe the Mustang was heading towards. They probably did this to direct more traffic to this entrance maybe as well?

                      • Browsers on 22/05/2025 - 17:03

                        @SpendLess: Yes, the 180 leads to back up to Homebush Bay Drive with another entry point for DFO, and in OP's recording the Mitsubishi in front of OP does the 180 rather than exit right to Underwood. Mustang hesitates before trying to continue on the roundabout.

  • Fire Chicken on 21/05/2025 - 17:15
    +3

    Knew it was the Australia Ave off/on ramp before I even clicked this

  • aliam on 21/05/2025 - 17:32
    +3

    I'm in the minority, as my first thought is the tesla is at fault.

    Thankfully its not a situation I'd have to worry about, because if I was that driver and knew i was goinf to exit the roundabout, I would have been in the left lane in the first place. At that traffic light stop there was ample opportunity to be in the left lane.

    And if i was going to exit the roundabout from rhe inner lane, id check my mirrors, or at least have some awareness of who else is in the outer lane.

    So I'm not sure who is wrong, but I think it's all avoidable.

    • eddyah on 21/05/2025 - 18:59
      -1

      Explain why it's reasonable to do a U-turn in the left lane please.

      • Tman81 on 21/05/2025 - 19:08
        +1

        because google maps show the details that in this roundabout that you can. Both lanes on the next exit after the crash location direct both lanes back up to the freeway where the OP was (I mean technically speaking the left lane has to do a U turn/exit the roundabout, the right/inner lane can go do a U turn or go back around again). Also, the markings in this instance are much clearer on what the cars can and cant do.

        So, legally the outer lane/left lane can do a full U turn if it so wished. My gut feeling is that 2 lanes being able to exit was done due to managing traffic control for and around DFO, the toll freeway M4, and Paddy's markets (especially on weekends where one exit lane up towards DFO clogs up the roundabout and at times freezes it).

        Also 275 people need to hand their license back in.

        • eddyah on 22/05/2025 - 08:37
          -2

          Did you even watch the video? Lets speak in terms of 'exits' as I don't want to do timestamps in the video yet.

          From the lanes entered:

          • the mustang can take the FIRST or SECOND exits (go straight or turn right).
          • the tesla can take the SECOND or THIRD exits (turn right or U-turn).

          But in this scenario, the MUSTANG attempted the THIRD exit while the tesla wanted to go via the SECOND exit.

          If the tesla attempted to take the FIRST exit and go straight, they would BE AT FAULT.

          At this point, i have to give up arguing coz people are either really dumb or just being obtuse for the sake of trolling.

          Once insurance comes back, you others better be warned of your shitting driving behaviour because one day you could be the mustang driver at fault.

          • maverickjohn on 22/05/2025 - 08:49
            +1

            @eddyah: Dude you are wrong in all of your comments and if they give the case to Tesla being correct that is really screwed up. Mustang drive appropriately and correctly. He would be punished for following the right road rules.. Tesla is at fault here. And should have been careful when exiting or taken the correct lane from the start.
            But you keep spouting your nonsense everywhere trying to convince yourself and unfortunately others of the incorrect rules in this situation.

            • Browsers on 22/05/2025 - 09:31

              @maverickjohn: So your conclusion is that a u turn from the left hand lane and disregarding all other vehicles is fine. Good luck with that.

              • maverickjohn on 22/05/2025 - 13:47
                +1

                @Browsers: It's not a disregard it's a legally accepted U turn according the the manual. The Tesla has to ensure it's safe before changing lanes it's all in the manual and when going for your Ps they would ensure you check your mirror indicate left and check over your shoulder before exiting..he's just lucky it's a car and not a bicycle that got hit. He could have killed the person if in a bicycle

              • SpendLess on 22/05/2025 - 14:13
                +1

                @Browsers: and your conclusion is for drivers to ignore all road signs and lines and do what we think is right? cause this will be chaotic and lead to more accident. All the road signs and lines indicate the Mustang can continue on the road and the Tesla requires to stay in his lane or merge out safely.

                • Browsers on 22/05/2025 - 14:55

                  @SpendLess: Nope, my conclusion is that a) the accident would not have happened if Mustang did not attempt a uturn and b) attempting a uturn from the left lane and knowing that others are turning right in the adjacent lane is far more at fault than the Tesla's exit into the two lane road. This would not even be in debate if the lane markings had been amended to match those at exits to Homebush Bay road or Aus Ave at the same time as the right turn option used by the Mustang was added. The fact they weren't amended doesn't validate the douchey uturn.

            • eddyah on 22/05/2025 - 12:46
              -1

              @maverickjohn: ahahahah cry more loser - look at the vote count.

              • maverickjohn on 22/05/2025 - 12:57
                +1

                @eddyah: So many people regretting their choices after they found out they were wrong you loser. The only one who is acting ridiculous here is you.
                There's more evidence of real life out comes linked below by spend less who also proves your lack of knowledge wrong. Now please be quiet and accept you are incorrect. Or continue blabbering around like a sore loser.

  • maverickjohn on 21/05/2025 - 20:36
    +3

    Not sure why everyone is saying the mustang is at fault you can't turn left from the right lane. I know this roundabout very well. The Tesla driver is at fault here 100%.
    The 2 lanes can both circle the roundabout the Tesla should have taken the left lane from before the traffic light.

    • Neoika on 21/05/2025 - 21:12

      You view is based on that you know it well, but what about for the first timer being there? I am sure that almost 100% drivers are in the right lane to turn right. Lane markings are irrevalent as they are showed at the end where most first timers have chosen the lane. Don't forget many may not even bother to check the arrow for the left lane or it is covered by a vehcile on a dark/rainy night. They may get a surprise that vehciles can also turn right in that lane. Try to see it from a first time view.

      I am not saying Mustang is wrong. The spot is really a trap for first timer.

      • maverickjohn on 22/05/2025 - 08:40
        +1

        Regardless if you don't know the rules you don't cause a hazard like the Tesla did. You continue your course and find an alternative route. The driving actions of the Tesla are unjustifiable. It's pure negligence.
        I've taught this to my wife when I taught her driving. If you ever feel like you took a wrong turn or missed an exit. Just continue and find an alternative route don't try to do rapid changes as , what happened in the Op is likely to occur.

  • ronnknee on 21/05/2025 - 21:13
    +1

    OP, please allow us to change votes.

  • dave999 on 21/05/2025 - 21:47

    According to the transport nsw website you have to be in the right lane to do a u turn.

    https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/document…

    • cnut on 22/05/2025 - 00:08
      +1

      If you look at that diagram, it’s different.

      In this scenario the road markings indicate the Mustang can turn right. And then there’s no indication he can’t continue to keep doing that.

      Whereas in the linked diagram, the left most car can only go straight or left. So that scenario shouldn’t happen.

      In saying all that, the no u turn wording does make the Mustang at fault.

      This roundabout is stupid.

      • dave999 on 22/05/2025 - 07:37

        The diagram is just an example. As you say, the rule states you can only do a u turn from the right lane.

        Also, just because the left lane can turn right doesn't mean you can do a u turn. If fact that is completely false. If you were at a standard four way intersection with two right turn lanes, the left lane can't do a u turn because the right lane can turn right. It seems the rule is the same for a roundabout.

      • maverickjohn on 22/05/2025 - 08:39

        You are correct the lanes actually matter.
        Since both lanes could turn right you can do a U-turn from either lane. See snapshot I added below.

        • dave999 on 22/05/2025 - 08:56

          What makes you jump from both lanes can turn right, to both lanes can do a u turn.?

          Clearly that isn't the case at a four way intersection with two right turn lanes.

          • maverickjohn on 22/05/2025 - 09:01

            @dave999: For all intents and purposes the turning right at the round about and u turn are synonymous.
            The arrow diagram indicates that both lanes can turn in that direction which is what both have done
            Realistically if they want to fix this road they remove the right lane arrow and switch it to U turn arrow. And put dedicated signage over the right lane saying U turn only for DFO etc.
            Choosing the left lane there is the appropriate lane to take when going into DFO.

    • maverickjohn on 22/05/2025 - 08:30
      +2

      I do not think the mustang is intending to do the U-turn the dfo entrance is immediately after the roundabout and he would have needed to turn left. He is actually driving correctly. And is what the Tesla driver should have done. Hence why both lanes had been marked to turn right.
      https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/70816/121667/screensho…
      Also here is the information from the driver handbook
      https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/70816/121668/screensho…
      Op is definitely wrong.

      • dave999 on 22/05/2025 - 08:54

        I have a feeling that is just bad wording, and is referring to only being able to turn right from the left lane if marked so, not meaning you can do a u turn from the left lane - but can definitely be read that way.

        Elsewhere, it says definitively you have to be in the right lane to do a u turn.

        Clearly, Transport NSW is not clear on the issue.

        • maverickjohn on 22/05/2025 - 09:03
          +1

          That's a presumption on your end but this is what drivers are being assessed on and taught against. And currently it's allowed if the lane accommodates the right turn arrows.
          You must continue to indicate right unless you are exiting and when exiting, you should indicate left.

          • dave999 on 22/05/2025 - 17:47

            @maverickjohn: Try re-reading it again, it specifically says you can turn right from the left lane if there is an arrow on the road. Nowhere does it say you can do a u turn from the left lane. In fact it specifies right turn and specifically does not mention u turn. Being allowed to do a u turn is a presumption you are making, not me.

            It is written very badly.

            • maverickjohn on 22/05/2025 - 23:45
              +1

              @dave999: Budd the information sits under the same heading there is no presumption. They are treated the same. Your presumption is that they differ when they do not.

            • SpendLess on 23/05/2025 - 00:17
              +1

              @dave999: Stop thinking every single roundabout is the same. If both of these cars started on Australia ave instead which is the next street up then the Mustang would have been doing a right turn and the Tesla would have hit the Mustang if it went straight. So who would be in the wrong then?
              Look at the link below and see how the left lane shows straight and right turn, right lane right turn only.

              https://imgur.com/a/XzoDszp

              https://imgur.com/a/XzoDszp

              • dave999 on 27/05/2025 - 12:03

                @SpendLess: The rules say you can only do a u turn from the right lane. I didn't make the rules, although they seem logical.

                Any imaginary rules people have made up in the thread doesn't matter in any way. The rules say you have to be in the right lane to do a u turn. Unless someone can find any contradictory rule from Transport NSW, that is the rule and the answer.

                • SpendLess on 28/05/2025 - 13:06
                  +1

                  @dave999: Not sure why you saying then people will get confused? confused from what? from not understanding the road rules? I think the only thing thats imaginary is your understanding of the road rules.

                  As quoted from the NSW road rules it says:

                  Turning right or making a full turn (U-turn)

                  On approach you must indicate right, and turn using the right lane, unless arrows show you can use other lanes to turn right.

                  You can go to the website and read it for yourself:

                  https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-s….

  • bigticket on 21/05/2025 - 22:02

    Its apparent that if you're after a positive and sympathetic response(especially if you are at fault) from the ozb community and not the usual vitriol after an incident, just say you are a Tesla driver.

  • afayd on 22/05/2025 - 02:12
    +1

    Tesla is at fault in my opinion. You cannot just cross over an already occupied lane, cause an accident, and then say 'well, the marking said I could turn right'. Have a look at the drawing below. The mustang could have entered from Aus Ave and the Tesla would have still caused an accident even if the mustang was doing a simple right turn rather than a u-turn. The line markings in this example also show that the mustang could turn right.

    https://imgur.com/a/LBGWnIi

    Super keen to find out what the insurance says.

    • dave999 on 22/05/2025 - 07:39

      If i was the Telsa driver I would be quoting the NSW Transport website that clearly states you can't do a u turn from the left lane of a roundabout.

      • afayd on 22/05/2025 - 11:08
        -1

        There is no need for there to be a u-turn for the Tesla to cause the same accident though.

    • eddyah on 22/05/2025 - 08:39
      +1

      The mustang could have entered from Aus Ave and the Tesla would have still caused an accident

      No because he needs to give way to vehicles already in the round about.

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