Double Roundabout Accident Question

truongster on 18/05/2025 - 22:40
Last edited 19/05/2025 - 22:57

Hi fellas here's another question for you all.

(Driver A - Tesla - Right lane - Orange MS Paint Line)
(Driver B - Mustang - Left lane - Blue MS Paint Line)

Driver A enters roundabout (two lanes) from right most lane with intention to turn right.
Driver B enters roundabout from left lane also indicates to turn right.

Lane markings show

  • Right lane must only turn right
  • Left lane can go straight or right.

Driver B makes a uturn throughout the roundabout.
Driver A turns right and in doing so goes through outer most lane in the roundabout.
Driver A's front left impacts Driver's B's side.

So who is at fault?

Edit: Comprehensive insurance claim sent.

Poll Options

  • 83
    Driver A (Right lane Tesla driver)
  • 393
    Driver B (Left lane Mustang driver)
Automotive

Comments

  • suti1 on 24/05/2025 - 20:38
    +1

    The lanes leading into the light are terribly designed.

    everyone gets funneled into the the 2nd lane with the option of going into the 1st lane. whereas if everyone was funneled into the 1st lane and the 'optional' 2nd lane was marked as right/Uturn then this accident would have less chance of occurring.

  • GordonD on 25/05/2025 - 18:32
    +4

    That's it, no more opinions?

    Everyone's had their say?

    Now we wait for the OP to come back and change the title to tell us it was resolved by his insurance company telling him who was at fault.

  • SpendLess on 28/05/2025 - 13:15
    +2

    Just thought id post again to help @dave999, @eddyah and the 378 people when they go re sit their driving test

    As quoted from the NSW road rules it says:

    Turning right or making a full turn (U-turn)

    On approach you must indicate right, and turn using the right lane, unless arrows show you can use other lanes to turn right.

    https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-s….

    • kiwimex on 28/05/2025 - 18:02
      +2

      I think it best they just hand their licences back for at least 12 months! so they can contemplate their bad decisions in life.

    • eddyah on 28/05/2025 - 18:31
      +2

      Hey mate thanks for the ping I forgot about this thread - keen to see the outcome from OP regarding insurance but they might ghost us forever as we got a bit toxic towards the end (at least I did hahaha)

      Anyway if I'm wrong it's a lesson learnt for the future about roundabouts as well as a bit of humblepie

    • dave999 on 29/05/2025 - 14:08
      -2

      Just to repost https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/document… titled the Top 10 misunderstood road rules :)

      "Making a U-turn
      When using a roundabout to make a U-turn, drivers
      must approach in the right lane and signal right."

      As previously mentioned the document you link is probably just badly written. You are assuming the first paragraph is directly referring to the title when it could be just referring to turning right. I don't care either way but your link isn't as definitive as you think and is contradicted in absolute terms by my linked document.

      • GordonD on 29/05/2025 - 14:18
        +2

        Part of the problem appears to be that whoever is doing the diagrams for all these NSW government documents has assumed all multilane roundabout have the exact same arrangement of lane lines, and on all exits. And the exit and roundabout this thread is about doesn't.

        You can't drive as if the road markings are what you think they should be, you have to drive according to what they are.

        And you can't drive as if every other vehicle is where you think it should be, you have to drive according to where they are.

      • SpendLess on 29/05/2025 - 17:53

        Thanks for sharing a 2022 outdated pdf rule book to back up your case. How about you just go directly to the NSW road site and read the rules live… You know the link I provided? Where it has mentioned the right turn and U turn rules as one.

        You are a serious head case, just suck it up and admit you are wrong cause you are making your self look more of a bigger drop kick the more you post.

        • dave999 on 29/05/2025 - 21:58
          -3

          You are an abusive moron and completely wrong. I await your apology and maybe give yourself a huge dropkick.

          The document you link says "Making a u-turn.
          When using a roundabout to make a u-turn, you must approach in the right lane and signal right."

          Scroll down to the section Road rules: roundabouts near the bottom of the page you link.

          Click the "Read transcript" link and it will clearly say "Making a u-turn.
          When using a roundabout to make a u-turn, you must approach in the right lane and signal right."

          You clearly don't have a good comprehension of the English language.

          Here is a screenshot of the page that you posted just so there is no ambiguity: https://imgur.com/a/AHYWPGi

          • SpendLess on 30/05/2025 - 00:01
            +2

            @dave999: Lol U think everyone's a moron like you and will believe your fake screen shot link which basically your old 2022 pdf file. They can easily just click on my link that is from the NSW government website and read it themselves. Stop spreading bs

            https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-s…

            Or download the latest NSW road user handbook and go to page 94

            https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2022-11/Road-User…

            If you don't like my post stop tagging me and calling me out with bs info.

            • dave999 on 30/05/2025 - 17:21
              -3

              @SpendLess: Are you mentally ill. You almost certainly need professional help.

              As I have said above, click the link at the bottom of the page SpendLess linked.

              https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-s…

              Every person who reads this thread can go to the page SpendLess linked, scroll to the near the bottom and click the link "Read transcript". The screenshot is what comes up when you click that link. It is not fake, try it yourself.

              SpendLess, stop lying to everyone, and yourself. You know the screenshot is not fake, everyone can go themselves and see for themselves, even you.

              I urge everyone who cares to click that link and show to themselves what a liar SpendLess is.

              Also, for the record, nothing you have linked to says you can do a u turn from the left lane, it simply does not say that. it simply does not mention doing a u turn from the left lane, it says you can do a right turn from the left lane if the lane is marked right turn.

              I couldn't care less what the rule is, but being called a liar by someone who is clearly and easily proven to be lying, is simply going too far.

              Just admit you are lying and apologise. Really.

              • kiwimex on 30/05/2025 - 22:50
                +2

                @dave999: Guess what Dave……you're wrong!

              • SpendLess on 01/06/2025 - 06:56
                +1

                @dave999: Sorry you aren't a liar but clearly also delusional and dearranged. Your screen shot link is also poorly done lol
                You can see my link page behind your old pdf of rules.

                If you think I am wrong go do exactly what the Tesla did on that round about and tell us how that turned out.

                Not sure why you want to argue the point when everyone can just easily see through this by the links I provided above. Like I said keep talking you just making your self look worse

  • heal on 01/06/2025 - 01:02
    -2

    Australian Road Rules s111(3)
    If the driver is to leave the roundabout more than halfway around it, the driver must enter the roundabout from the right marked lane or, if the road is not a multi-lane road, from the left of, parallel to, and as near as practicable to, the dividing line or median strip.

    Mustang is clearly at fault

  • GordonD on 01/06/2025 - 10:41

    This thread has raised an issue relating to OzBargain itself.

    Some posters have looked at what the OP said, voted, then read the rest of the postings and found those of the other point of view convincing and changed their minds. But they can't go back and change their vote.

    Is there some good reason why people shouldn't always be allowed to change their mind?

    • kiwimex on 01/06/2025 - 11:41

      You mean like all those that voted Labor?

  • kobeduck on 03/06/2025 - 15:15
    -1

    "unless arrows show you can use other lanes to turn right." doesn't say anything about doing a U-turn from any lane. Imagine how stupid that rule would be that you would have to give way to people doing a U-turn on the left lane whilst being on the right.

    But then again, it's NSW with the dumbest road infrastructure amongst many things

  • GordonD on 07/06/2025 - 09:26
    +2

    Its a very very long time since I've made a comprehensive insurance claim. 1971 in fact. Back then the police turned up at crashes and decided fault. So how long does it take these days when insurance companies decide? Should the OP have had an answer to report back to us by now?

  • GordonD on 19/06/2025 - 09:45
    +1

    That's it. Its now over a month. The insurance company would have told the OP what they've decided by now.

    And if the OP was in the right he would have been back here boasting about it. So I think that pretty much settles this argument.

  • SpendLess on 24/06/2025 - 21:13

    The typical ozbargainer going through a round a bout thinking he is in the right when he is clearly wrong

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eRZO8LgCXs&t=797s&ab_channe…

    • GordonD on 10/07/2025 - 19:14

      The youtube video shows the same stupid situation that this OzBargain thread is about. A multi-lane roundabout where one exit has lane markings that require the vehicle on the left to either exit or give way to the car on its right, and the very next exit has road markings that allow the vehicle on the left to keep going around and requires a vehicle on its right to give way to it if it wants to exit. At least they could be consistent in any one roundabout.

  • cell on 25/06/2025 - 00:25

    @truongster update????

    • truongster on 25/06/2025 - 10:47

      Still waiting for NRMA.

  • truongster on 08/07/2025 - 14:30
    +5

    Update -

    Initial response from NRMA - Tesla driver at fault (facts being disputed)

    Mustang driver claimed to go straight, facts were disputed by the insurance companies.

    • SpendLess on 09/07/2025 - 21:16
      +1

      Why is the Mustang even saying he is going straight… He clearly is turning which he had the right to

      Thanks for the update

      • nwa on 04/09/2025 - 11:46

        People will say anything to get out of responsibility and consequences. That's probably the reason for the initial wrong conclusion by the insurance company. Proves why video evidence is crucial.

  • GordonD on 10/07/2025 - 19:08

    I've wondered how the insurance companies resolve it when they disagree who is at fault. Its not as if an insurance company is making the legally definitive decision of a judge, or even the legally authoritative decision of a police officer. Just a commercial decision, what favours their company. That's what gets the person making the decision promoted, doing the best for their company, which requires the other insurance company to be the one footing the repair bill for both cars. It really shouldn't be decided that way.

  • truongster on 22/08/2025 - 15:10
    +8

    NRMA contacted the Tesla driver, confirming they were not at fault. They offered cash compensation as they initially got it wrong.

    NRMA - no excess, no increases on premiums

    • Browsers on 22/08/2025 - 15:30
      +3

      The pro-mustangers will be positively frothing at this

    • nwa on 29/08/2025 - 12:56
      +3

      I had the same thing happen today, lucky no collision. The lady started giving me a lecture on how I was in the wrong. I didn't have time to argue as I had a client in my vehicle, plus I recalled this thread of people supporting such behaviour, so I wasn't surprised by her reaction.

      https://youtu.be/JOFjwWUC9to

      • Muppet Detector on 03/09/2025 - 18:18

        Did you send her a link to the thread?

        • nwa on 04/09/2025 - 11:46

          It should be on DCA soon.

      • ozfool on 03/09/2025 - 18:29

        Must happen every day. I wonder how the designers actually think it's supposed to work. Insurance sided with OP but I'm still pretty confused about the true road law. Absolute chaos…

        • nwa on 04/09/2025 - 11:52

          The only thing I think they can do is put another sign saying no U turn form the outer lane. Another suggestion is a new arrow on the inner lane showing right and U turn combined, implying the outer lane cannot do this.

          • ramb9 on 10/09/2025 - 13:27

            @nwa: Yes, but the fact that the lines are the way they are suggests they are allowed to do this and the Tesla driver is in the wrong. If you follow Mustang / Tesla on google maps to the next exit, it's exactly as u described but for the next exit. Not the one the Tesla got hit on.

    • Kremleen on 30/08/2025 - 12:20
      +3

      Thank you for this. Nothing beats a heated ozbargain poll with a closure

    • ramb9 on 01/09/2025 - 13:03
      -3

      Haha nice update, thanks for the closure man!!

      BUT If I was the mustang driver and NRMA claimed I was at fault, i'd probably take it to court.

      NRMA's stupidity here is something else. Tesla driver literally drives over a solid white line and can still be 'not at fault', that's something else lol.

      • cah23 on 02/09/2025 - 19:20

        There is a third option for an "at-fault party", something we see south of the border way more than we should.

    • bigticket on 10/09/2025 - 12:10

      I call BS on this. An insurance company offered a cash compensation and no excess and no increase on premiums. This is an insurance company right?

      In any case an insurance decision is not a court ruling on the legality of this issue. If this did go to court the court would rule the Tesla driver at fault.

      • ramb9 on 10/09/2025 - 13:24

        Might not be BS, haha. But I suspect, it could be a case of the Mustang driver just accepting they are at fault (or not caring cuz they just pay excess) hence NRMA ruling in favor of the Tesla driver after they 'disputed'.

        At the end of the day, the insurance company just wants someone to take responsibility.

        Either it's a clear cut case or someone accepts responsibility.

  • SpendLess on 10/09/2025 - 19:43
    -1

    should i be surprised? in a world where Trump got voted in for the second time… rise of the anti vaxxers and the flat earthers
    now a world where people cant follow simple road signs when driving

    Mustang driver lawyer up! and fight the stupidity!

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