Good price on great NAS drives. While not all time low, getting anything close to this price per GB in NAS drives is near impossible. I've been running 4 of these for 5 years or so now and have never had a single issue.
6 July: Further price drop to $339.02 from $343.25.
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thanks I had trouble dividing by 10.
no worries glad I could help
too many fingers?
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@grok is this true?
This or used 16TB enterprise HDD for around $350 with 12m warranty?
I'd be shucking Seagate drives. Regardless of brand, I'd make sure to avoid SMR due to reliability issues.
Seagate, do you like gambling with your data?
No, that's why I've got backups like most datahoarders. No matter the brand, you can't trust 100%.
I've got 6 Seagate HDDs and they're all going strong with the exception of the one that slipped off my PC tower.
@Caped Baldy: Wait! You have over 50tb of data (I'm assuming)? What the hell are you storing? All the supermarket deals?
@SarcasticEmu: Linux distros…
I've got some movies and tv shows and I'm a hobbyist photographer. Got two HDDs in the PC which I "manually" copy files with freefilesync and copy to the NAS which has some type of RAID.
IIRC, the drives have ended being Barracuda pros, Ironwolfs or Ironwolf pro.
@SarcasticEmu: I'd not heard of that specifically but my preference is to not share files online to random sites. I do run plex locally as well so it performs better.
@Caped Baldy: Torbox is hosted in a country that's relaxed about Distros.
Australia won't always turn a blind eye, but this setup keeps you protected.
The big win?
Unlimited storage and you can stream your Distros to Plex or Jellyfin. They have an app so you don't have to set it up yourself.
You can also hook it into stremio, I'm currently using AI recommendations for my distros for based on history and searches.
Sadly, if your distros are inactive it will delete them after a couple of months, although it takes about five seconds to download a distro anyway.
They handle seeding for you and even include Usenet.
You won’t have distros stored locally, your videos are still hosted on their site, but I'd rather be safe than deal with viruses.
I guess, I just don't see the point in downloading Distros any more.
@SarcasticEmu: I guess the catch with unlimited storage is churn. I prefer using a seedbox over this only because it has persistent storage where I can perma-seed, and keep the stuff I actually want on my local HDDs. The main reason for self-hosting both services and data is that it's fun + more privacy focused. If you set up VPNs & firewalls the correct way Australia won't know what you are doing. Also, videos downloaded from reputable trackers rarely have any viruses
@nottoobright: I've been with many seed boxes this is the only one worth paying for. The only time I stopped was when I switched to real debrid when they stopped usenet for a brief time.
More privacy-focused? In what way?
You can set up a VPN to stream from this service, which adds a layer of encryption and helps mask your identity. That’s a step in the right direction for privacy.
And downloading locally you're still exposed to potential malware or viruses it's never a zero chance.
@SarcasticEmu: But it's not a seedbox. Even at it's most expensive, it only has 30 day seed, not perma-seed. And it also only has a 1Gbps upload speed unlike other providers who provide a symmetric connection. Practically debrid is cheaper and better than some time-limit speed-capped seedbox.
Talking about privacy focused, what I play and have on my media server, nobody knows except me and those I share it with. Why would I willingly give this data to a private company by hosting my media server on their server? I have a 2.5G local network so I'll anyway stream it faster than streaming it from their service.
And yes, there is never 0 chance for malware, hence I take daily backup snapshots so if I have to nuke my pc and rebuild, it would take less than an hour. I prefer that over not having any control over stuff which would be the case with Torbox. Just my opinions, could be fantastic service for some, I just don't see the value proposition of it when conventional seedboxes and debrid combined with local performs so much better
@nottoobright: Your comment clearly shows you didn’t bother to research Torbox before dismissing it. Almost everything you said is wrong.
Torbox does support long-term seeding forever, if you pay $8/month. Their speeds? 10Gbps (80Gb/s), publicly listed. You’re probably quoting outdated info from 6+ months ago, before they upgraded. They've even added a server for Australia.
They've launched major server upgrades in under a year and only launched last year.
The only real limit is 10 concurrent download/upload slots, you can have unlimited cached, and this is easily upgradable and barely a bottleneck compared to storage on most seedboxes at this price.
Calling it "not a seedbox" is just false. It seeds, stores, automates, and integrates. It’s less customizable, yes but that’s the tradeoff for one-click simplicity. And it's pro plan is cheaper then most of cheapest seedboxes.
Debrid services don’t seed, so they’re useless for private trackers. Torbox does, and keeps files longer than most debrid tools. It's also $1 cheaper per month on it's cheapest plan, which is it's debrid service except with seeding.
You’re not “hosting” on their server you’re linking yours to their storage (like Plex + WebDAV).
Backups? Your setup sounds great for control. But for most users, Torbox is faster, easier, and just works.
Seedboxes require setup, maintenance, and cost more. Even as an EE/CS major, I find them tedious.
Torbox is plug-and-play, clean UI, and even lets you seed on the cheapest tier. Debrid + seedbox? That’s paying more for less.
Also for Torbox you can buy $1/month hosting to setup jackett just find the cheapest. It also No IP limits, full Stremio integration, bring your own indexers, and access over 140 hosters (vs ~70 on most debrids).
You can even add Usenet. Does any debrid service let you do that? The only ones offcloud and premiumize limit your downloads to 100GB or less per day.
Downside? Its cache is smaller than Real-Debrid’s for now. But it's catching up fast.
If you love tinkering, sure Torbox isn’t for you. But if you want performance without the headache? It’s the best deal out there.
Edit: Again only downvoting shows me you're not open to having your mind changed. It's not mature at all.
@SarcasticEmu: If you can only seed 10 slots at max, then it's not perma-seed, no since when you want to download something new, you will have to remove something from your 10 slots?
And who runs the Plex app, them or you? If you run in locally but use their storage as a remote library, that's fine, but if they host Plex and you just access it with your account, that's bad imo.
I understand what you are saying, as I said previously I prefer control and flexibility over this. With local, I can seed 1K+ torrents while also downloading 10+ concurrent things if I wanted to. Just curious, what seedboxes were tedious to you as a CS major? Most of them also have "one-click" apps?
Torbox isn't meant for heavy users. It's fine if you torrent once a while. Someone who has 50+TB of HDDs like the person above is clearly a heavy user
In any case, I did not downvote you, I don't think I have ever voted on this platform except the deal, this ain't reddit xD
@nottoobright: Every seedbox, including Torbox, has limits on concurrent downloads. That’s not unique to them; it’s standard across the board. In most cases, the real bottleneck is storage capacity, not the number of active torrents.
You roughly have the same number of seeds as a basic seedbox but with unlimited storage, and have the option to add more seeds if you want.
One thing that often gets misunderstood: you don’t need to delete files to download new ones. You can store as many movies as you like. The concurrent limit only applies while you’re actively downloading or seeding.
Once a file is downloaded and no longer seeding, it’s no longer counted toward your concurrent activity. You still have full access to it.
Your files also stay in storage for quite a long time, months if left untouched, and potentially forever if accessed occasionally. Hell I still have access to files 7 months old that I haven't used.
Even if something does get removed after long inactivity, you can redownload it instantly. Torbox did once offer permanent unlimited storage, but it was removed after a few users abused it and ironically, very few actually made use of it.
As for Plex: no, Torbox isn’t hosting it for you. You host Plex on your own system. Torbox just acts as a virtual hard drive to your storage on Torbox, that your Plex library connects to.
If you’re someone running 50+ torrents simultaneously or managing multiple concurrent streams, then no Torbox might not be the best fit. It's simply not built for that kind of high-load use. In that case, hosting your own server or choosing a more heavy-duty provider would make more sense.
I’ve tried a wide range of options, including hosting my own server with Servica.
It came with its own headaches frequent buffering, misconfigured setup files, and one time, a total server wipe due to a bad distro download.
That route requires constant maintenance, and I’m often away from my setup. For me, that just wasn’t sustainable.
With Torbox, I can step away for a month or two and know my data will still be there (even with no sub). No server babysitting. No rebuilds. It’s not ideal for someone hosting their own public movie site, but for reliable, low-maintenance personal streaming you share your friends, it works really well.
And let’s not pretend heavy users can’t make Torbox work. Many do especially those who integrate their own cloud storage or download directly to an external drive. If you insist on seeding everything, just upgrade your slot count or use Usenet alongside it. Honestly, how many people here are actually downloading 30+ files at once? I mean the fact you don't need usenet provider is worth it alone.
Bottom line: if you’re constantly pushing 50+ concurrent downloads and running a home streaming empire, and only rely on torrents, then no Torbox isn’t designed for that. But for most users even moderately heavy ones it offers more than enough functionality, flexibility, and reliability.
@nottoobright: I'm with you on having control over your system and files. Im pretty sure running anything after windows 7 will share all your file details these days so it might be pointless but at the very least it's more control.
What do you use for snapshot backup, nuke and rebuild? I don't have too much important data these days on personal pc so I have fallen way behind in my knowledge but if I can rebuild in an hour from a daily snapshot I can't think of a reason not to.
@gizmomelb: To be fair, there are times when certain distros aren't available on Usenet but can be found via torrents.
Unfortunately, I don’t think he’s open to that perspective, he seems pretty set on the idea that his way is the only right way.
@gizmomelb: Usenet is a subscription, torrents are free. Plus usenet has retention issues, want something that came out 20 years ago? Sorry. Both are good at what they do, just that there is no "one" right way.
@nottoobright: I could get just about anything on Usenet 20 years ago, and I still can today. The only real exceptions are ultra-niche TV shows and certain premium courses. But for everything else? It's rock solid.
Usenet indexers cost like a buck a month.
Yes you need usenet provider but you know the one I recommend. That's another thing if you get a seedbox you will still need a usenet provider. Torbox includes it.
So Torbox is much cheaper then all seedboxes if you use usenet.
Anyway, some Usenet indexers blow torrents out of the water in speed and reliability. How do I know? I tracked it in a spreadsheet I made myself.
Go ahead, name three movies from 20 years ago. I’ll check right now if they’re still available.
@nottoobright: @nottoobright ISPs used to include usenet with their services, no idea if it's for free any more as I've been paying $50 a year for premium usenet retention for the past 10 years or so and yeah, I could download stuff from 20 years ago - at my NBN max. connection speed. I doubt there are any torrents 20 years old which still have seeders, let alone you could max. out your NBN connection with. Usenet is more anonymous as you're not broadcasting your IP as sharing data to everyone else on the torrent, so less likely to be checked - and if it is, well I've always used an enrypted connection.. so no reason for my ISP to even report what linux distros I'm downloading should they be subpoenaed.
My yearly usenet subscription has come in incredibly useful many times, when I've discovered a new distro and decide I want to have all previous 12 seasons, sorry.. versions.. ever released, so I can then binge use the entire lot.
There is no one 'right way' but there are safer roads to travel, they just need a little bit extra knowledge over torrenting (which most people do incredibly insecurely.. no vpn, no private tracker etc.)
@gizmomelb: I was curious and didn't want to wait for him. So just ran a test where I asked Chat for obscure movies. Using leech (T) and host (U). The goal: be the first to find a lost film. Leech lost.
@SarcasticEmu: yup, I had an issue where I couldn't find my original SACD of Jeff Wayne's 'War of the Worlds' to rip (it's in a box in the laundry, along with 1000 other CDs) so went looking across multiple torrent sites.. no luck. NZBKing shows someone uploaded their PS3 SACD rip 4460 days (over 12 years) ago.. was able to download it in seconds as it downloads at my NBN max. bandwidth.
I had 2x 6tb reds go recently, only 20 months old. Must've been a bad batch 😥
ouch… both at same time on different times but close together
First was 20 months, second was just over 2 years.
Ditto, I have 2 x 6TB WD Reds. One died a few months ago, the other seems ok but the writing is on the wall.
don't forget to warranty claim it, WD pretty good with it
this or 7 $49 kmart ice cream makers?
Have you ever licked an enterprise grade HDD?
There's your answer.
Took a byte out of a hard drive. Thinking it would taste like cookies, but all it tasted like was a soiled date, it was quite the shock.
I did once. It charged me up with knowledge. AMA.
Yes, once.
//Scorpio out//
Ice cream makers are only about 200rpm so you get much better churning power with a single wd red drive
Bought a pair of these late last year to upgrade from 4Tb ironwolves.
I think they make more noise in the same enclosure.
I don't know how legit it is but I saw a table on a reddit thread that noted 10tb WD Red Plus to be the loudest at 38db, I think its lower if you go higher or lower in tb.
https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/1bvqbot/recommend…
The 20TB, ironwolf pro is the same price.
got a source for that?
Sorry, meant pricer per TB.
Seagate https://amzn.asia/d/90HDKNz
WD https://amzn.asia/d/hlBX1ZP
Toshiba https://amzn.asia/d/0Azm2y3
Lol username matches 😂
Still too expensive imo, was wayyy cheaper through Amazon US before.
it was $297.80 (Nov 19, 2024) $469.00 (Aug 16, 2021)
Hard drive prices have gone up across the board due to reduced supply. With the rise of SSDs I don't think that will be changing.
Wish this wasn’t Amazon shipping. I bought two from them previously and one died within a week. They just chucked two drives in a bigger box to bounce around.
That said the other drive is still fine after 9000 hours
keep us posted when its OVER 9000
2 of my 4 are sitting at 39002 hours, 1 at 35620 hours, and the last at 33609 hours.
I've always run desktop drives in my Truenas box, currently 3 x Toshiba X300 6TB @ 59401 hours.
From Amazon US, can't quite remember how they packed them but wasn't great.
(Yes, I really should replace them, was thinking the cheap WD Blue 8TB though not sure I'd be as lucky with them. What's Amazon US warranty like for HDDs, never had to use for any US purchases. Gotta be better than Umart and the likes though right?)
@bamzero: I just checked on my older NAS where I move things when the "new" one is getting full - 70337 hours for 3 of the 4 WD Reds! The other one only has about 200 on it since the NAS started warning me that it was going to fail with the original drive after ~70100 hours.
Pretty easy to see why I'll pretty much only use WD Red's in my NAS's haha.
@MrFunSocks: Nice. My only concern is the drives we buy today aren't up to the same quality as the ones we bought 7 or 8 years ago..
WD doesn't even bother to state MTBF or workload rates for their desktop drives any more.
My two portable 5tb hard drives WD from amazon UK or US? or germany idk it was international just came i na big box no paper in side or anything and the two hard drive boxes :o
Luckily seems to be no issue but it threw me off when i unboxed it lol
For those genuinely curious, this drive is loud - the 8TB and below spin slower and are hence quieter; 10TB and up they're 7200RPM, which adds a lot more noise; but from 12TB up they are also helium filled to counteract the noise.
WD Red Plus are the quietest drives, hence their high price compared with the enterprise seagates, etc - but only from 12TB upwards. This is also evident when you look at the price jump from 10TB to 12TB, because nobody looking for a silent drive wants the 10TB.
I've got 4 of them in my DS920+ and they're not "loud" whatsoever. Maybe in comparison to some other drives like you said, but to say they're loud is like saying a slight breeze across your grass is "loud".
Can confirm the 10TB is louder than the 8TB. I recently upgraded one of my drives in my NAS from 8TB to 10TB, and noticed the extra noise.
I don't care that much, as long as it's reliable. I suppose if it bothers me I could put acoustic foam around the NAS, (leaving enough ventilation). Foam is ugly, but my NAS is under desk out of way.
I have 4 of them in my RS422+ in the home server rack, I couldnt hear it next to the server rack, I can barely only hear the fan from my POE switch and UPS.
it's great drive, but then again, there aren't much choices these days.
thanks OP
Thanks for the link! Very handy site to bookmark.
It confirms this is the best deal WD NAS drive available so that’s good to know.
oh wow! thanks for the link, it helps finding the right disk for me!
Is it recommended to buy 2 and one will just be a copy of the other?
If you only have 2, then yes
Depends to your setup; some people wanted to put it in a NAS with RAID-1 setup; and some would make it as a stand-alone and do the weekly backup.
As always, remember to have 3-2-1 backup strategies
So the cloud backup storage provider advocates cloud backup storage! A bit like taking your dietary advice from a confectionery company.
Cloud backups are absolutely fine - the key thing is that you need different backups.
If one of those differences is "this backup is in the cloud" then all is well 👍
The concept of 321 backup is to use different media and location, you could use your parent’s house (as long as they are not living with you) as the remote location too
Got 3 of these, 2 in a NAS and 1 in a CCTV system, no issues whatsoever, except one thing…
The first one i bought got lobbed over the fence by a (profanity) Amazon driver and wouldn't start, i got it replaced as DOA.
Why not Toshiba MG10 512e 20 TB or Seagate Exos X18 18 TB / Seagate Exos X20 18 TB?
Granted they're more expensive, but they're bigger drives.
20TB? Pfft, that's nothing, why even bother when Seagate are releasing 36TB drives
Those buying wd reds, iron wolfs and the enterprise drives are those needing these to run 24/7 for servers, etc for multiple years in raid. Consumer drives like exos, wd blue, greens are not rated for this.
I'm thinking of this for just data storage. Would this also work in a NAS one day or do I need a NAS drive? Thanks.
My experience from the last few years, is if you plan to run these 24/7, you should go NAS drives.
Not sure if reliability has gone down these days, but as I mentioned above I've always used desktop drives in my NAS.
My current drives are Toshiba X300's running 24/7 for over 59400 hours, though I know I'm tempting fate and should replace them.
Before that I used some Toshiba 3TB desktop drives for about 3 or 4 years, and Barracuda Green 2TB's for a few years before that.
I haven't had any complete disk failures in that time, though drives have developed bad sectors along the way. (I've always been using ZFS, most of the time in TrueNAS)
For less than the cost of the NAS drives, I can buy desktop drives plus a spare to swap out should one fail. Of course my data isn't mission critical, and anything that is has backups.
NAS drives vs every day computing drives.
got one of these in my pc :D
back when userbenchmark was free (and ik that site is trash)
i did a test and for some reason i was like #1 speed? in au? or globally idk?
was like a 195mb/s result or something i think
probably way less now that its like 60% plus filled
I have spent this whole week trying to plan out my TrueNAS 4 bay build
I was going to go wtih 4x 16TB then 4x 12TB, was looking at East Digital, Neology, GoHardDrive Refurbs but ended up choosing New Drives.
I finally settled on 2x 18TB Seagate Ironwolf Pros for $1200 ($1120 after seagate rebate) , Scorptec also have a $620 deal for 18TB Exos X18 atm
The benefit of getting a smaller drive over a larger drive is you can easily expand or replace drives over time.
If you're on a budget and have lots of drive bays 10/12/16 are safe options.
Perosnally my 18TB will be used in a vdev mirror that is guaranteed for 5 years. I have some random drives 12/8/16 for pooling with Stablebit Drivepool on PC
TrueNAS mirror is for critical data
HUh? The link you posted is $549 and out of stock, vs this deal $343. Not all NAS drives or enclosures support 20TB. My Synology NAS supports up to 16 TB drives. The WD Pro drives are also noisier. This deal at $343 is not "amazing", it's about $50 off the normal price, better than nothing.
The drive you linked to is $716, which if you can't do maths very well, is over TWICE the price of this 10TB drive. How is that a better deal?
I got a "HP EliteDesk 800 G3 SFF Intel i5 6500 3.20GHz 8GB RAM 256GB SSD Win 10" from the last deal, I'm wondering if this 3.5 inch hard drive is compatible with that or not.
Just plug in a m.2 SATA converter or SAS and connect a DAS to it
Just got mine, they sent a 4TB drive instead. what a (profanity) joke and headache
wheres the joke and headache? contact amazon support and send it back as they sent the wrong item and they send a replacement.
Yeah, that’s a headache. Time is money…
if they had time to order it, they have time to do the exchange for the correct item.. any other reason just seems like laziness or pretentiousness to me.
@gizmomelb: Fair enough.
Personally, I can order items from Amazon in less than a minute. But reboxing, printing a return label and a return trip to the post office takes a considerably larger investment in time for lazy, pretentious me.
You say tomato…
@gizmomelb: It took 12 days to get here. I need it as a drive failed. They asked me to return it before they would refund me. So another 12 days before I get my money back and then I can reorder it (assuming it's the same price) and wait another 12 days for it.
Get your head out of your ass. That's a headache for anyone.
@SubNoize: if you need something NOW then get off your arse and go get something, don't blame courier / postage for something taking so long. It's a shame you were sent the wrong item, but karma moves in mysterious ways.
@gizmomelb: Karma?
Small wonder you have an aversion to pretensiousness. Get a grip and concede what everyone else on the planet knows - namely that of course it’s an inconvenience to be sent the wrong item in place of something you’d ordered and paid for.
What a pretentious hill to die on…
@UncleRico: @UncleRico - try actually reading, I explicitly said "..It's a shame you were sent the wrong item.." so to solution is - put item back in the box it was sent in, click the few questionaire boxes online for the return, then get in the car and drop the item off at the post office (or local parcel handling store) and wait for the correct item to be sent. I never once said it wasn't an inconvenience, what I said was if it's too much hassle to do those simple (and quick) things then it is either laziness or pretentiousness because the OP was above such menial tasks.
@gizmomelb: You said that in your third response after multiple people took exception to your original ludicrous suggestion that there was no headache involved in receiving the wrong item.
Instead of insisting that everyone who disagrees with you is lazy, pretentious or can’t read, maybe try unbunching your panties and reading the room yourself…
$34.33/TB