eBay Removing Agreed Valid Negative Feedback on Dodgy Seller, Refusing to Reinstate

Hello All,

I won't bore you with the specifics - but I bought an item from a well established Australian seller on Ebay - it was sold by weight and I was sus on it as soon as it arrived - and sure enough it was significantly underweight. This was being done pretty clearly deliberately as allowed the seller so send in lower cost flat rate satchels and well also saved them $10 of the product.

I contacted the seller - was told, your scales are crap, do a return. Much hassle later I got photos from multiple commercial scales - all of which were within a few grams of my humble domestic ones. Seller ignores me.

Cool - so I return and lodge negative feedback within the Ebay guidelines showing images of the commercial scales etc and telling others to beware of their underweighting of products.

It goes up and perhaps achieves what I wanted - letting others know to beware of the seller - costing them sales.

I check this morning - it's gone. No contact was received from Ebay, so I contact them via chat ask them why this was done - they check say it was removed, but the reason given by their staff member is ivalid and it should not have been removed. They state this flat out.

So I ask for them to reinstate the feedback - nope, cannot do that - once feedback is removed it can never be placed back. So can I lodge more feedback on the item - nope, you've already lodged feedback - can't do it twice.

Can I speak to someone other than you about this matter? Nope, we're all equals - nobody else can do something I can't.

Likely stating what everyone knows but they do everything possible to protect dodgy sellers - and if you get stuffed around and think you'll let others know in a manner that is in accordance with guideines and might cost the seller sales - they make it so very hard for you doing stuff like this .

A tad annoying to say the least. And yeah not so much a question but more a rant to discuss, if desired.

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  • +9

    I guess you've learned what most of us already knew about gangsters paradise. AFAIK,(might be wrong) if you do a return, and or get a refund you forfeit the right to review. I've had neg reviews knocked back or erased on multiple occasions for no logical reason. So that's a scum seller protection factor,right there. One thing they don't embrace is 'justice', if that's what you were chasing.
    My advice (other than avoid ebay) is to see if you can find a physical store somewhere behind that ebay store. (Many bigger stores do) Then do a review of them stating the ebay connection.Or lodge a Product Review about this ebay experience ebay and the store.
    You should drop some more subtle hints about who the ebay store is.

    TLDR
    Ebay are the pus on the boil on the arse of commerce.

  • +4

    Who do you think eBay makes their money from?!?

    Thinking about this, then who do you think eBay will protect?!?

    They "pretend" to have "buyer protections" because it's great marketing - but do you know what marketing is?!? - it doesn't have to be true ;)

    Welcome to the real world where corporations protect other corporations for financial reasons :P

    • +10

      In my experience (as both a buyer and a seller), eBay sides with the buyer more often than not so the protection is definitely not pretend as you put it.
      If you get something not as described, the eBay money back guarantee is actually pretty good in my opinion.
      From my understanding, a seller can dispute a negative feedback and if they can convince eBay it’s unfair, can get it removed. Though I think it was limited to like one or two feedback a year.

      Who do you think eBay makes their money from?!?

      Thinking about this, then who do you think eBay will protect?!?

      The answer to both questions is both buyers and sellers.
      Too biased to sellers, would result in no buyer confidence and no sales.
      Too biased to buyers, would result in no one willing to sell on the platform and no sales.
      As noted above, the balance point is more towards buyers, probably because they’re willing to put up with more because there aren’t many alternatives

    • -7

      Yes, you're stating the obvious and I'm fundamentally aware of this - but when they for no valid reason (their own words, not mine - they had no issue saying the feedback was within guidelines and should NOT have been removed), remove feedback - it becomes a bit silly.

      I mean just give everyone a 100% glowing feedback record and we can all hope for the best blindly?

      • Not necessarily my opinion, but just a potential alternate point of view: it could be argued that getting your money back without fuss is good service, so the transaction was at worse neutral.

        Negative feedback would be appropriate if seller didn't deal with the issue, but perhaps the prompt response balances the issue??

      • I understand that your feedback was removed.
        I also understand that another eBay staff member has told you that this shouldn't have happened because your feedback was within their feedback guidelines.

        But, is it possible that some low level eBay employee made an honest mistake as opposed to leaping to the conclusion that eBay are a bunch of scum sucking miscreants who support dodgy sellers?

  • +5

    name the seller

      • +1

        If it makes you feel better, even when a neg is removed, it will still hurt their account for a few days. Meaning less traffic and less sales.

  • +3

    For future reference, if you stick with ebay, keep a copy of the feedback if it's negative, and if they delete it again, put that saved feedback in review form on Product Review etc, as I suggested above (both parties)

    • -6

      Fair idea but a product reivew on who? Ebay? The seller? Not sure how that'd be seen by any prospective buyers - and so kind of pointless.

      Crap state of affairs when you follow the feedback rules (which I am fine with ) but Ebay still sanitises it if they desire with no notification, consultation, corrective process etc even when they themselves say they messed up.

      Pretty laughable.

      • Both.(how many times would you like it said?)
        No skin off my nose if you don't review it elsewhere.

        You don't seem to like advice.Even the free stuff.

        For others who might be p*ssed off enough to review>
        https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/ebay

        • Your advice is pretty rubbish to be honest. Who is really going to search through reviews for a specific seller on productreview.com.au before they buy something from eBay? What a waste of time!

          • @mhz: It's a thread asking for other options. But hey, if you don't think a PR of ebay is useful, good for you.
            There seems to be a consensus here and on PR ebay is shit. So there's that. As for individual seller review on ebay, if you at least get to vent and alert the <1% who have a work ethic and do look around, what have you lost? If holding a seller accountable has be done in a dark dusty corner away from ebays lack of accountability, I say it's better than SFA.

  • +8

    Make sure you lodge a complaint with the ACCC via webform. They are currently interested in review manipulation by large platforms.

  • +2

    What was the product? Does it have a weight from when it was posted?

    • Possibly Psyllium husks

  • -3

    I dont really undetstand the situation. Educate a noob. If you bought A… did you get A, or B?

    • +4

      OP got B where B = x*A and 0 < x < 1. Hope that clarifies things

    • Paid for Xkg of A and got <Xkg of A

      • It was Xkg of E. (hence the grumps)

  • +1

    ebay does have its rule to remove negative feedback if item is full refunded.

    you didn't lose any money except "time wasted", why not forget it, don't waste more time.

    if makes you better, seller did lose money as they had to pay return postage.

    • +3

      That explains why I got a refund from a seller once after leaving negative feedback. They wouldn't budge before that, adamant that a screen protector that only covered 80% of the screen was fine. They weren't being nice, just protecting their seller rating.

    • ebay does have its rule to remove negative feedback if item is full refunded

      I’ve never heard of this rule, source?

      • I went thru my 'feedback left for others' page on ebay. A positive comment I left in 2018 is still listed, but the negatives i left for my-phonez in Nov 2023 are not there anymore. They were selling sim packs with <7 days expiry without stating this condition.. They've already expired when it got to me.

        Ebay refunded me those so maybe its true neg feedback can disappear .. :| I don't know if its due to the age or did it disappear much sooner.
        I was still $10 out of pocket since they underpaid the postage and Auspost wouldn't give me the item without payment.

        Seller might've falsely claimed it 'events outside their control' to get my feedback removed.
        https://www.ebay.com.au/help/policies/selling-policies/selle…

      • It's more law than rule, and like most of their laws, they aren't written down.

      • If a resolution is reached by use of the eBay resolution process, via refund from eBay Money Back guarantee or other resolution agreed to by both parties, eBay consider this grounds for removal of negative feedback because seller has met their obligations.

  • +1

    If you want justice you need to be prepared to take the fight to the next level (*CAT, ACCC, Fair Trading, etc.) but most consumers don’t want to invest the time or effort, and future consumers suffer for this.

    If you’ve spoken the truth there is no reason not the name to seller and save someone else the hassle? This is not the US, you won’t be sued.

  • THIS i brought a motherboard it came damaged, the seller was rude and wouldn't refund me, I had to open a ebay case and wait weeks for ebay to step in,
    They also removed my Nego feedback I posted proof of pictures on there.
    No clue what is going on.

    • I said above, ppl should keep a copy of the neg feedback into ebay,(always) inc any pics, and if ebay deletes it, put the saved info on a review website.
      Fkm

  • +1

    that day when they got rid of seller feedback was also unfair

  • dunno if it relates, but I posted a warning about a dodgy guy on his YouTube video

    and came back the next day to find my comment was gone.

    so I looked closer and found he had deleted the original video, so all the comments disappeared with it

    and simply re-posted the video as a new post - so my comment was no longer there.

    so I wonder if that is possible with eBay ads and bad reviews ?

    I stopped reading Yelp and TripAdvisor after I noticed negative reviews kinda sorta didn't appear …

    • Ebay has more scams & scum than any platform. Sellers can have dozens of accounts and even share the feedback across the stores. The sellers who come to Ozb and say buyers are better protected than sellers are dreaming. Good sellers may be getting caught up in the bad reputation but that's it.Good,honest,ethical sellers who have earned a genuine 100% are rare as rockinghorse shit .And even where they exist ebays unethical systems ,decisions and practises still dominate.

  • +1

    I dealt with the same issue a few times recently where I received faulty or incorrect items or didn't get them at all.
    I received refunds but my negative feedback was removed almost instantly.
    One recent purchase was for a replacement keyboard from a seller on eBay.
    The item was reported to be in Vic and when I placed the purchase I almost instantly got an email from the seller telling me that the reported 1 week delivery was incorrect, due to a "glitch" on eBay's end. I knew straight away the seller was lying about where the item was located and that he was most likely drop shipping it. I ignored the email at first until I received an update a few days later saying my item had been shipped and that a tracking number would be provided shortly. I called him out on it in email and the seller then searched for my contact details on google and called me and started abusing me. I hung up and he called back and left threats on my voicemail.
    I promptly contacted eBay and reported him. A few days later, not word from eBay. The item arrived and was not what I had ordered and I had to fight again with the seller.
    I ended up receiving a refund after multiple failed attempts through eBay. When I left neg feedback for the seller so others would know what he was like, it was removed almost instantly.
    I also noticed that on his feedback page over 100 feedback reviews had been changed which tells me this guy is either paying people to change feedback or eBay is doing it for me.
    I don't trust eBay anymore, its become a cesspool of deceitful sellers and most of the stuff I have purchased is available on Aliexpress these days.

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