Jury Excuse - How Many People Have Been Rejected Wrongfully?

Curious, has anyone had their excuse rejected wrongfully?

It is the last day since I put in my request and it seems the day is drawing to the end of the business day in a few hours and it is drawing closer and closer.

My thoughts are it will be best to receive the fine and contest it. Has anyone gone down this path and would you recommend it?

I do not want to go into the full details, but my excuse is in the "definitely in the automatic exemption types".


Update:

12/06/2025

No email or notification that I have been excused.

I will give it a few more days, but I will also put into another exemption application again just in case there was some negligence involved. Summons date is sometime in July, so I can give them another 10 working days.

Honestly, I also saw that the wording of the email states "May be required to attend" which is different to "Must attend" which means you do not actually need to attend and it might be better for myself not to attend due to my personal circumstances.

Obviously, I am going to need a case guardian as well as I will be unable to attend court and I will be asking them to seek costs against the NSW government, so I will go through the motions but I will definitely be challenging any fine that comes my way, especially since I would have given reasonable notice that I am exempt.

Hopefully this doesn't have to turn out that way and the government does the right thing on round 2 of the application, or maybe it's just delayed. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and they are probably just overloaded, but I am willing to exercise the heavy hand of the law to protect my own interests.

It is getting to a point where this is beyond ridiculous.

Comments

    • The juror may also be punished. I've seen employees get PIP'd.

  • +1

    My wife called the day before she was due to go in because she was sick - they said fine, no problem, but also let her know you only get that once, next time a medical certificate is needed.

    • next time a medical certificate is needed.

      That easy. Just like you need a med cert for calling in sick to work.

      • Indubitably

    • When i was in the waiting room, a few people presented doctors notes. The Admin staff read the number of days on the note and instructed them to return on the first day after.

      • in this case we were told they'd reschedule her in July
        prob different if you did it in person like you said.

  • My thoughts are it will be best to receive the fine and contest it.

    Fine for what? If you get selected for jury duty, turn up on the day and plead your exemption case. If it truly is a legit excuse, then you won't have any problems.

  • +1

    I 'did' jury duty once, went to two intro sessions (whatever they are called) but didn't get on jury for either. work was paying me anyway
    .

  • +3

    Having recently done jury service, the reasons are limited. They're not joking. And it's embarrassing on the day to be 'that person' claiming otherwise.

    They will:

    • reschedule you to another month or year
    • keep you but simply give you a day/s off

    As several people discovered, with the delightful sarcastic stylings of the Adelaide Sheriff's team, you are not special unless:

    • you save lives
    • you literally are irreplaceable
    • your job is so difficult to substitute

    Examples they gave of excusals were:

    • international pilots where the company was required to write a letter
    • one of the cardiothoracic surgeons

    Sarcasm hit 11 when one person stated that their job as a casual hospitality worker wouldn't be allowed time off by boss.

    Sheriffs. Nice people. But they've got no time for BS.

    • sarcastic stylings of the Adelaide Sheriff's team

      Where's Robin Hood when you need him

      • +4

        Likely empanelled.

        Dancers and merry men, regardless of notoriety, are not excused.

      • Parked in a mythical book in the library.
        Maybe Ned Kelly is more your style?

    • What if you tell them you can read minds. I guess lying in court is itself a serious crime, on paper it is anyway, so probably not a good idea.

    • +6

      I feel for the hospitality worker as having done jury duty when I was 19 and only doing casual work, jury duty screwed me over big time financially. If you're not picked like I wasn't for the first three days of the week, you're supposed to go back to work. But as the boss didn't know if I'd turn up that day, he had a condition on his license with a mandatory staff to customer ratio for safety reasons (it was a sailing hire job), he couldn't hold a shift open for me the week I was at jury duty.

      Got selected as the last choice on a Thursday morning, the trial went very late on Friday (after 7:30PM) becasue the judge felt we could wrap it up by then. I wasn't able to let the boss know if I would be available on Monday by the time he put out the roster on Friday afternoon so he didn't roster me on any of the days that week either. Put in my claim to the Sheriff and they only would pay me for the two days of work I missed while doing jury duty, when in reality I'd missed 10 days of work through no fault of my own. What manager is going to leave a shift open in case you might not be selected and be able to turn up to work?

      • And this is why I think it ought to pay minimum wage for the entire period.

        It's punishing for casual/contractors

    • +1

      In the courtroom for jury selection on a CSA case, one potential juror asked to be excused because he was a primary school teacher. The judge said "everyone's got a job mate, yours doesn't make you dislike child abusers any more than anyone else".

      • +1

        Yeah as a teacher, I wasnt getting out of it.

        There were several there just in our 2 sections, probably half a dozen nurses/health workers, couple of CEO/business leader types, several from defence industries, tradies, students, grandparents, you name it.

        Everyone has got stuff they'd rather be doing.

      • LOL

        did the judge actually said "mate"?

        • It's the Sheriff.

          They're feisty 😏

    • I've been called for jury duty twice in Qld: both times my supervisor wrote a letter saying the business would suffer for my absence (I don't recall exactly what they said), and both times that was accepted.

  • +2

    I wanna know what your excuse is and if you otherwise want to go!

    If the absolute worst happens, when they ask you if you can be unbiased about the topic, say no. They'll boot you in a heart beat.

    • +1

      On bail for serious crimes.

      • +1

        OP Is a very busy influencer. No time for real life.

        BTW. The jury in the mushroom case jury must be stowing away the $$$$
        (Presuming all state courts have similar rates)

        https://courts.nsw.gov.au/for-jurors/payment-for-jury-servic…

        • SA is like $20 plus travel.

          • @Benoffie: Well they need more crime! That will get the turnstiles turning & the cash registers ringing.
            /s

        • "If a juror does not want the meal provided by the court, they may instead bring their own lunch and claim a meal allowance of $6.95 per day."
          .

          • +1

            @Nugs: I'd have that up my sleeve if the lunch offering was Beef Wellington.Not sure I am a fan any more.

  • +1

    Never been called. Would have liked to tick that box.

    • +9

      Since so many want to get out of jury duty, you'd think there would be a way to indicate your willingness to participate.

      • +1

        Can't do that as it leads to potential jury tampering. Well that's the formal excuse, anyway.

        • You end up with the same outcome; all jurors either WANT to do it or are too inept or chicken shit to try to talk their way out of it.

        • not really. When you're called for jury duty you don't know what case you'll be on.

    • Yeah ive been waiting for the call for 30years, no luck yet.

  • +3

    I didn't even reply to the last notice I got and nothing happened.

  • +5

    Just rock up, look like shit, drop some slurs against both sides and wait to be excused

  • +4

    I was selected in QLD. I was in Toronto, I stayed there for three months. I sent them flight itineraries and details, however they still wouldn't accept my excuse - it was denied.

    Of course I wasn't actually in Australia, a fact I was reluctantly forced to point out to them on multiple occasions. Then they started sending me notices due to my non-attendance. Then I told them again - there's absolutely no prospect of my being there. Eventually - after the date had passed, they accepted it. It must have gone before a Judge.

    I wonder if there is even a human who looks at these applications until the last moment?

    Best of luck. :-D

    • +2

      'I was selected in QLD. I was in Toronto'

      Toronto is a lakeside suburb within the City of Lake Macquarie, Greater Newcastle in New South Wales, Australia, approximately 28 kilometres from Newcastle's central business district

      I hope you indicated which Toronto ;-)

    • State of QLD justice. Just eat kangaroo meat?

  • -1

    They read my Ozb comments
    so on every run I get get a standby!!

  • +5

    It's your civic duty. A jury trial is one of the few things that really matters in our society.

    • -4

      I don’t think it matters highly to many people though so as important you’re saying it is it’s not that way in reality. Whatever bias I have I take in there with me, and I’m sure plenty of other people do as well, people are sent to gaol from these biases. People that shouldn’t be set free get set free, and people that should be set free don’t get set free. I’m not saying that I have a better suggestion for how the system should work, just that it’s not a great system.

      I became an Australian citizen 13 years ago, and I kind of regret it now. My family migrated from New Zealand to Australia in the 80s when I was a kid, I feel I should’ve just kept my New Zealand status where didn’t need a visa to freely stay here as long as I wanted as a permanent resident. I feel that having an Australian citizenship hasn’t done anything for me, it hasn’t improved my life, it’s just added complications to my life. I have to waste my time voting when all sides and options aren’t good choices. And I’ve been called up for jury duty 6 times in the last 13 years but haven’t been chosen, when there are citizens that haven’t been called up once in 30 years. It was particularly inconvenient when I got called up for Jury Duty as soon as the Covid lockdowns were lifted, I had lost my job I had prior to Covid due to Covid, and was just about to start a new job when I was called up to do Jury Duty.

      • I don't understand the citizenship tangent but NZ has the exact same political system that only allows neolib outcomes. There are ways out of voting if you don't want to pretend to be making a difference anymore.

        • -2

          @abuch47 I’m not sure how what you’ve said relates to what I said?

          What I was saying with regards to Australian citizenship is, before I became an Australian Citizen I didn’t have to vote and I didn’t have to participate in duty service, and I could have continued living in Australia without those obligations for decades until the day I die.

          • @HuzzahIndeed: Gotta ask, if Aus citizenship is such a burden to you, why not just give it up and go back home?

        • -2

          Which an ethical person would accept is the end of their relevance to talk or debate politics.

          • -1

            @Protractor: That’s just you exerting your own self righteous views. Present an objective standard for morals and ethics, otherwise stop preaching.

            • @HuzzahIndeed: No it aint. It's me shining a light on the rank hypocrisy of opting out, and then still claiming to be a relevant voice. Pickers of the lowest cherry on the the tree of life. But cheers for your concern.

              • -1

                @Protractor: What hypocrisy would that be? I said I am an Australian citizen. So how have I opted out? I just said that having Australia citizenship compared to when I didn’t have it has done nothing to improve my life, it’s just added additional inconveniences.

                • @HuzzahIndeed:

                  There are ways out of voting if you don't want to pretend to be making a difference anymore.

                  • @Protractor: And where did I say that I have tried to find ways to get out of voting or duty service since becoming a citizen? You implied that I’m some how an unethical person that has no say in this discussion, which is quite rude of you to accuse someone of that.

                    • @HuzzahIndeed: Let me simplify this. If a person decides to overtly declare they don't vote,donkey vote etc, and especially they encourage it, they are a rank hypocrite every time they utter a political opinion beyond that moment.
                      (And) In my humble opinion, that viewpoint is only rude if the person on the receiving end of the view, agrees, but will never likely say so. Take it or leave it.It's viewpoint.A common one for those who don't opt out.

                      • @Protractor: Maybe you’re not such a critical thinker after all the way you try to present yourself on here. Let me try this again to simplify it for you. Nothing of what you are saying is relevant to me, so why are you telling me? What does it matter what other people do? I haven’t said anything about doing a donkey vote myself and wanting to do one. Nowhere have I declared that I don’t vote since becoming a citizen, I haven’t said that I have tried to ever get out of voting or jury service since becoming a citizen.

                        Maybe you should just admit you made mistake, you read my comments wrong, and that you are sorry for accusing being an unethical person.

                        • -2

                          @HuzzahIndeed: I didn't reply to you. You thought I did, and jumped on me.So pay attention. I don't even believe in critical thinking mate.It's a title most often used by ppl who self appoint the label on themselves, and they couldn't tie their shoe laces.

                          • @Protractor: I am paying attention. You’ve got to take fault for that because in that post you didn’t quote and state the name of the member you were speaking to. Where does it say @who?

                            • @HuzzahIndeed: Look at the indents of where each reply is under each comment. You weren't paying attention as much as you think. If everybody copied the quote each time on every reply we'd blow up the web. Go back to the wiki to find out how the replies are stacked. I'm OK, thanks.

                              • @Protractor: On my screen layout your comment is directly below mine, from what I see it looks like your comment was directed at me:

                                https://ibb.co/ksLmd1SJ

                                • @HuzzahIndeed: My reply is directly in line with yours below the comment I replied to.
                                  This one>https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/16610874/redir

                                  I know where our comments sit on the page.I can't control which replies end up with the forums autofill of @xperson, but the fact remains the hierarchy of replies is stacked the way it is.And my first reply was to as above.

      • +2

        Nobody respects a jury until they happen to find themselves needing one.

        • @Muppet Detector How many people do you personally know that’s needed a jury? I don’t know a single person that’s ever been on trial, or has wanted justice from a jury. I’m 44 and have never been charged with a crime, and I’m pretty confident that I will get through the next 40 years without it happening too. I’m not going to ever purposely commit a serious crime, if I’m ever a defendant in front of a jury it will only be because of an accident.

          If the Australian Government looked after every citizen when they reach old age for working and contributing for their whole lives, like New Zealand does, then I would care more. Every New Zealander is entitled to a pension if they have lived and worked there for 10 years I think the timeframe is. However here that’s not the case, we just give money to the disabled, people that don’t work, and the elderly that are poor. Every second person almost has autism or ADHD here nowadays, it’s being over diagnosed left, right and centre, and we just throw money at it. But someone like my father who worked here for 40 years that had to retire early because he has cancer, who is a self funded retiree, as an Australian citizen isn’t entitled to any Government assistance payments, even for his cancer. So why would you take your civil duties so seriously.

          • @HuzzahIndeed: There's a moral to that story somewhere.

            Condolencences about your father, but presumably you both know the terms and conditions of being here.

            If that's what you and your father decide to do, that's on you, but don't migrate to a different country and think that their laws don't apply to you.

            I love it that you're here, but if you don't like what that entails, feel free to find your own way out.

            • @Muppet Detector: Thank you. We have upheld the term and conditions of being here. What did I say that my father and I have decided to do? Nowhere have I said that we haven’t meet the obligations of our civil duties. Now that my father has cancer he is exempt for doing jury duty though, but he’s not from voting. All I have said is that I will go into the court room with bias if I’m on a jury, my biases won’t left at the door so I won’t be completely objective. As I said at the beginning, I think for many people jury duty isn’t seen as all that important to them, and they don’t care enough not to take their biases into the court room with them if they are on the jury.

              • @HuzzahIndeed: If you weren't born in NZ, what made you move there, initially, and then leave , to come to Straya?

                • @Protractor: What makes you think I lived in Australia first, then moved to New Zealand, and then moved back to Australia? I said I was born in New Zealand, and my parents migrated our family from New Zealand to Australia in the 1980s. Do you not know about and understand the rules here in Australia? New Zealanders don’t need a visa to come to Australia, New Zealanders that moved from New Zealand to Australia back then can stay in Australia for as long as they want as permanent residents without requiring a permanent visa, or Special Category Visa and Australian Citizenship, and they aren’t obliged to vote and serve on a jury ever here in Australia for however long they choose to stay in Australia because they’re not an Australian citizen.

    • Lose X days of pay, while still having to go to "work" for X days, plus probably "working" more hours than I do in a standard day, plus ruining my routine. Then at the end, even if found guilty, they get a slap on the wrist and you wasted your time. Hard pass.

  • +1

    Last time I got called up, I waited all morning, wasn't selected for the first trial, then got sent home as there were no other trials.

  • +7

    I served as foreman on a double homicide, I was surprised at how much it affected me. I wont try and get out of it when it comes around again though, you need level headed people on juries.
    Having said that, I wouldnt want to be judged by one.

    • I worry that it would affect me too, I'm probably ok with homicide of adults, but anything to do with children would affect me.

  • +3

    Jury Duty is great, you can nullify crimes that you don't agree with, without any consequence. It's the only time in your life when you can stick it to the cops.

    • Wannabe star chamber

    • This boy gets it.

      • Well if you mean games the system to let ppl off, perhaps. (Star Chamber) Because if you're so inclined, what's to stop finding somebody guilyty if suits your agenda?
        But kudos that he knows what 'sticking it to the (man) cops means. LOL
        BTW calling ppl boy is rude,champ.It's a race based artefcact.

  • Note sometimes the first letter for jury duty may get lost in the mail. I've never heard of a second letter or a knock on the door to follow up.

    • In Qld, the first letter is just to advise that you're in a pool of potential jurors. Still a small chance of actually being called in. But if you got "lucky", you'd be getting a 2nd letter.

  • Partner and Brother both getting Jury Duty pings lately. Both been excused twice. But got the letter again within a month or 2/3.

    She's hoping to get out of it again.. It's just not convenient for many unfortunately.

    PSA: your Jury Duty address details are completely separate to ServiceNSW/Electoral details - mine was still set to 3 addresses ago! I had assumed they'd be linked.. Nope! We have an AusPost redirect on still since we moved, last serve she got was redirected so we worked that out… Dumb!

    • i got selected when i was first year uni.
      was for a regional court couple of hundred kms from where i was living during semester.
      i didn't have a car.
      that was accepted as a valid reason and I've never been selected in the 35 years since

      now I'm wondering if they don't have a valid address

      • Not sure about Victoria, but in NSW, they get your address from the electoral roll. Just got a letter at my new address and I definitely did not update my Jury details.

        • Yeah this didn't happen for us.. I've updated my electoral role a few times and it was still an older one - I believe if they're mailing you for the FIRST time, they'll pull from the roll, from there it's its own profile I reckon.

          Neither of us had the correct address/the one we updated everywhere else bar the super outdated Juror details portal.

          • @ReaperX22: I've received five letters, four at my old address and one at the latest. Have updated my address at the electoral roll, drivers licence and rego. It'd be too easy to avoid jury duty by stating "too bad, mailed me at the wrong address" That said, the latest letter was sent after the online Juror system. The others were before.

  • +4

    On the day u have to front up to be chosen wear all black or full on business attire or something very bright. I heard they like middle if the road people. I was chose..Mr Middle of the road..one woman i spoke to wore a long black skirt, black top and a huge ankh…a bit goth…she was rejected as soon as she stood up..she said it works every time.

  • +1

    So many team players.
    I never knew.
    /s

  • Have been summoned for jury duty twice (once for District court and once for Supreme). Didn't have an excuse to be exempted, but also didn't really want to be chosen as a juror.

    You know when you have moments in life where you start to laugh at very inappropriate times? Had one of them during one of the jury selections. There weren't enough seats in the courtroom for some reason so some of us had to stand. There was one guy sitting at the end of the row who got called up and was chosen. A lady who was standing sat down in the now vacant seat. Suddenly, she was also called up and selected. I was getting so anxious and hoping not to get called up. With the best comedic timing, someone quietly said "ohhh no, i'm not sitting there" indicating the spot where 2 jurors were previously seated. In such a quiet room, I swear it was impossible for those around us to keep a straight face and hold it in after that. Judge probably had no idea what was going on.

  • +1

    Just rock up, claim you are prejudiced against certain races or people and you'll be sent packing

  • +3

    It is getting to a point where this is beyond ridiculous

    or you could just step up.

    • +1

      Too hard. Too precious.

  • +1

    I also saw that the wording of the email states "May be required to attend" which is different to "Must attend" which means you do not actually need to attend and it might be better for myself not to attend due to my personal circumstances.

    What this is referring to is that the day before you are required to attend, they'll update you on whether you have to attend or not. There is a small chance that the case(s) is cancelled and you won't need to go in.

    See how you go with the application. I'd expect a clear decision on whether you are excused.

  • +2

    Love jury duty, the judiciary, the process… interesting to see to how it all works and unfolds. Yes, the money is crap, but the experience is worthwhile. If you have time off, worth just sitting in a local, district, surpreme court for a few hours to appreciate the process….good, bad, indifferent or comical.

    • +1

      If you can't follow an entire trial, watching sentencing hearings at District or Supreme Court is good bang for buck.

      You get to see all the key players. You get a pretty decent summary of what occurred during the trial, then you get to hear submissions from the pros and defence and the judges sentencing and reasoning.

      You might get to hear five or six sentencing hearings in a day across a broad spectrum of crimes.

    • If you have time off, worth just sitting in a local, district, surpreme court for a few hours

      R U OK?

  • There are many ways you hear to avoid getting on a jury. A certain slogan on a T-shirt for example.
    But you really want to just walk in with your summons, and get out a s quickly as possible. Medical grounds is the easiest way. Hand over your form and doctor's letter. It needs to have the right wording to get you permanently excused.
    If you can't get excusal, deferment is easier.

    OP, you probably should say which state you are in for more detailed answers.

  • +3

    I got on my first jury earlier this year for a 5 week criminal trial. I found it a good experience seeing how everything works and the food was good.

    There were plenty of laughs in the jury room but some of the court proceedings were very dry so it was a challenge not to fall asleep sometimes. 😅

  • +5

    When I did a law subject at uni the lecturer gave this advice (barely paraphrased):

    "If you didn't do it ask for a judge because they understand the law and requirements to be found guilty. If you did do it ask for a jury because they're stupid and you might get off."

  • -1

    Who would try to get out of Judy duty? I want to get on one.

  • Would dropping off children and picking up from primary school be a valid reason?

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