Was looking for an EV wall charger, came across Bosch EV charger, doesn’t seem to have any reviews online, likely new model. Also have 5m cable.
It’s a special order item. I think it’s low price for a branded EV charger with the coupon. Comes with 3 year warranty.
$20 credit for Club members when you purchase this product.
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its got to be good its a Bosch
Makes me laugh that we are still seeing these big boxes (basically of air).
An EVSE is basically just a GP0/Powerpoint with an electrical handshake to turn it on.
These are pretty cool as you can fit/ hide it very easily. Obviously still have the handle and cable.
ok ideas man please start a ev charger company and make smaller ones so we can buy them
5M of cable $180, EVSE board $30, J1772 Connector $120, Plastic hose reel holder $5
Definitely cheaper, I’ll order these myself, build it, setup the 32amp circuit and install it!
Cheers
Or this
https://amzn.asia/d/bLRetvj
Can just go and buy an EVSE from Aldi ($79 - $99 depending on the store). It wont do 7kw (technically without 'tweaking'), but its a cheap cable/ handle (cable is more than capable of handling 7kw).
5M of cable $180, EVSE board $30, J1772 Connector $120, Plastic hose reel holder $5. Definitely cheaper,
You're already at $335 before you include all the certifications and regulations and licences you need to to legally do this. Also labour costs. And if you intend on selling them, then the whole can of worms for taxes, warranties etc etc. I think I'll just pay the $40 and get something with a reputation and a warranty out of the box.
Looks like a non-smart charger. Is it still possible to program this to charge at certain hours of the day/night?
In faq it mentions occp. If it has that you can use home assistant or other apps to control it
Can OCCP be used to make the charger solar aware?
CCP is always aware where you are
with home assistant yes (need to habe your invertor in it aswell) i turned the ev charger from byd deal into one
@freeb1e4me: yep in home assistant you need to have your solar invertor configured in it to read the excess solar (to do calculations)
most big brands are supported.
Definitely, ChargeHQ and EVCC - which both can control charging based on PV or scheduling - support OCPP chargers. However, this EV charger doesn't have any network connectivity and hence would not support OCPP. For that reason, if it were me, I wouldn't buy it.
It gives the definition of OCPP, but does not say that this charger supports it. They have other models.
If there is no app, it implies there is no connectivity. How could you have OCPP if there is no way for the charger to identify itself on the network?
I think this is just an appliance - which is ok, unless you want to do things like only charging using excess solar power.
I think this is just an appliance - which is ok, unless you want to do things like only charging using excess solar power.
My guess is you need to have a decent size solar system (10kw+), otherwise it’s going to be a slow charge with excess solar. As a dumb charger it might be OK for overnight charging if you can schedule it via the EV internal system controls
@freeb1e4me: Probably true. It's a tricky one - not sure about elsewhere, but in WA you don't get paid for feeding electricity back into the grid if your inverter is > 5kW. So probably better off (just) having a 5kW system. Most summer days, the excess solar will still be about 3.5kW if you have a large ducted aircon running, I reckon. The included charger for our car only does 1.5kW :(
Not the same unit. Different model number.
Damn, just installed a 15 amp GPO paired with a $170 3.2 kW EVSE from Amazon. Although it does charge quick enough for me…
Do you mind sharing the link?
Comes with 15amp plug and 10amp adaptor for use elsewhere. Used it for 2 months and 1800km worth of charging with no issues.
with a 15A plug/charger, wats ur charge rate? as in 10A is usually 1.5-+1.8kwh an hour. How much is it with 15A?
@Savitar: Thanks mate. Looking at the pro/cons of installing an EV charger at my rental or just getting a 15A plug installed instead. Lanlord is ok with either as I will bear the costs.
@kronosxmate: It all depends on need. I looked at the $1000+ cost for a 7KW/H charger but couldn't justify it in the real world. At 3kwh/h charging from say 7pm - 7am that's 36kwh or around 170-200km. So as long as you do less than that in a day, there is zero need to put in faster charger.
Also if you are able to charge regularly at home during the day, look at the OVO energy free 3 plan. For me its the cheapest overall rate anyway and with 3 hours free electricity a day that is around 50-70km of charge free a day. We have done nearly 7,000km and paid about $50 total in electricity (fast chargers on long trips).
@Savitar: yeah makes sense mate. i got a free 7kwh charger with my Geely a few months ago and have also signed up to the OVO plan but am yet to install as cost to install the charger and the 15A plug are the same, ~ 750-1000aud. so wondering if it is worth. currently have been fast charging when required. Do only abt 50kms a days but weekends involve up to 200kms so usually need to charge twice a week. so am weighing the options.
@kronosxmate: Are you saying a 15A plug is the same as the cost for the wall charger? I got a 15A plug put in for about $250. I think that is the going rate (normally)
@Savitar: ohhh wow thats cheap. the sparky's i got quotes from were all $650+ for 10m of cabling and the plug points, etc. 2 sparky's told me it was better just installing the charger for $100 more as only difference would be a 32~40A cable. I am in Melbourne. Can you share ur sparky's details if you are local too?
@kronosxmate: Sorry for the slow reply. I'll see if I can find his details. I did call a couple of the "fridge magnet" sparkies (the ones that drop stuff in your letterbox saying they offer cheap rates) and they were both around $800-$1000. I actually went on a local facebook community group looking for recommendations and that is where I got this guy from (nothing beats local recommendations). I would recommend you try there first and see what quotes you get.
@Savitar: hahaha thanks Mate. i too contacted these fridge magnet sparkies with their 10% off offers, who provided the high quotes, inclusive of 10%off. Sure. I will check in the local groups. Thanks
@kronosxmate: I paid about $300 to get a 32Amp socket installed - it was only about a 5 metre run from the switchboard into the garage. Unless your run is complicated, it's a simple job - took him less than an hour to run the cable from switchboard up into roof and then down inside wall, and bolt the socket onto the garage brick wall.
I already had the guy onsite to do some other work, so it wasn't a dedicated callout just for an hour. I'm guessing it prolly cost $100 in parts (the socket, the breaker switch, the switchboard breaker, and <10m of cable) and $200 for his hour's labour.
@sween64: Thats the car showing you what amount is charging the battery. It will be DC. There is a conversion cost changing from AC to DC hence the 300kWh difference.
When you use that, check how warm the plug / soxket gets. Even if it offers 15A, it would be safer to dial it down to 13A.
That's a good point. I believe the rule is 80% for continuous loads, so 12 amps would be ideal.
Cars trend to add their own safety margin. If the EVSE allows up to 13A most cars will only take about 12A.
80% rule is American code. AU code specifies that wire gauge should account for full current draw.
@coxymla: I am not an electrician.
If you run a circuit at load continuously near full load it will get very hot. I have heard electricians recommend oversizing circuits that will be used for continuous loads, but I don't know the codes. I would personally pay the extra for the bigger circuit for peace of mind, but as above I am not an electrician.
Even the 7.7kW charger in this deal requires a 40amp circuit. So 80% rule seems pretty normal.
If you run a circuit at load continuously near full load it will get very hot.
Only if something is wrong.
Heat is caused by resistance - if everything is good, the resistance (and hence heat) will be minimal.
I can run my 32Amp charger for a few hours and the plug and cable barely get warm.
But the heat of the connections is definately something you should check occasionally !
Run mine at 15A in summer (readout actually says 16A) - 8am till 5pm no issues. Granted, that's in shade in garage
Bosch EV305:
Level 2 AC charging: Faster than Level 1 charging.
7.7kW charging: Provides a higher power output than some other Level 2 chargers.
Simple LED status: Provides charging status indication.
Plug & Play: After installation, it's ready to use with no additional setup required.
Wireless connectivity (optional): Allows for smart features like scheduling and remote monitoring via an app.
5-meter Type 2 charging cable: Longer cable than some models, providing more flexibility in placement.
3-year warranty (charger only)
Looks like it’s the upgraded model from Bosch EV300 which doesn’t have the smart features. Anyway, this deal looks like the cheapest 7kw smart wall charger on OzBargain.
You just need an electrician to install a 32amp socket as this unit seems to be plug and play, which makes it a diy install?
Perhaps there is a network model for the EV305 given it says optional
I wonder how much that option is..
I wonder whether it would be cheaper than the install cost of a normal EV charger, seeing how both would require a line directly to the switchboard.
Looks like costs for a 32A socket start at $500, up to around $900. So sounds like the same as the install cost of a non-plug-and-play EV charger?
As per the manual it is 40amp hardwired right?
Yes, it says:
“Type B, C, or D 40amp breaker installed in upstream AC distribution box”
*EV chargers can draw more than 32amp during the startup charge.
Not sure why there isn’t a recommendation on the type of breaker here as electrician will probably just install the cheapest type b
Do I plug my 1990 ies Tamiya bearhawk into this….
Thanks, bought one! Installing a 32amp by a sparky shouldn't be too expensive.. right? Am in Victoria
The ones that give you a certificate of compliance will charge more
It would be pretty silly not to get one. Insurance companies will limit pay out on electrical issues without confirmed compliance certificates.
I’ve been quoted $400 for install, commission and certification.
Depends on how far from the switchboard. Mine was a 20m cable run to the garage so cost me $800. Other quotes were over 1k.
Additional $10 off with Commbank. Supercheap spend $50 get $10.
Is this Yello? I can’t see it in mine
Be aware that this is a dumb charger, in that it does not lock access via app or RFID. It doesn't have the card logo to indicate this.
Probably a non issue for home use. If the charger was in a public area then locking access would make sense
can say I made 10/10 cheese filled toasties with this Bosch. 🙏
Spewing. I literally bought another wall charger for almost double the price last night.
Always my luck 😂
Can you return it?
Have emailed them now
Hopefully they will reply in time before this gets sold out!
SCA will have 30 days return, so I'd buy this deal as well anyways.
Anyone know if this can be wired 3 phase to spread it's load? I know not essential for a 7kw but would be good. Can't seem to find the details in specs or any info online.
Edit - found in the manual someone posted earlier:
Rated Input Voltage 200-240VAC
Rated Output Current Single Phase / 32A
I went with a 3-phase 5-pin 32A socket in the garage as an alternative to hard-wiring. De Power have a Mobile Wallbox (with app support) for $429 that connects to the socket with up to 22kw charging. I figured with a socket, I can change things later if I wanted to without needing an electrician callout and cost.
In the future, charging another EV without the need of paying for an electrician again you mean?
More replacement in case of a failure, or future upgradability if needed.
That De Power Mobile Wallbox seems to come with RFID. Can it be disabled? RFID chargers tend to fall asleep when car's internal scheduler is used. When it's time to charge (at night), they're no longer active and need RFID swiped again. That's how with my el-cheapo Geely-provided dumb charger which I'll be getting rid of due to this.
I’ve been eying this product. Also have a 32a 5 pin socket set up but using a dumb charger. Does this have Australian certifications?
Yes
Busy on the phone with an old friend and missed out..
Maybe the bargain was the relationships we rekindled along the way
Good old friends are always there and it's just a matter of a call. It's very true.
$20 credit for Club members when you purchase this product
$15 actually
Just installed this. $500 for 40A breaker and 15 metres 10mm cable. $850 all up paying with discounted gift cards. Very happy with it! Thanks OP.
Do you know if they installed a Type B RCD?
Not clear if the bosch ev305 has internal dc leakage protection.
Can you elaborate ?
These are AC chargers - all they do is connect the mains AC directly to the car. Where can "DC leakage" enter the process?
From the car itself that is converting AC to DC.
From gen 3 tesla charger.
Wall Connector features built-in RCD Type A + DC 6mA.
AC earth fault interruption automatically detects an AC current mismatch between power delivery conductorsthat would indicate
that current isflowing through the earth conductor. AC fault protection will trip at 20 mA.
Ive asked bosh to clarify what rcd is used in the EV305 as manual doesnt specify, it also doesnt mention it protects against DC leakage.
This is from the AS wiring rules.
“Where the equipment may produce smooth DC residual currents exceeding 6 mA, an RCD Type B or an RCD Type A with an integral device ensuring disconnection of all active conductors in the event of a smooth DC residual current exceeding 6 mA shall be installed
Type B RCD or RCBOs are $350-400.
@blairis: From Bosch;
The Bosch EV305 does not include an integrated RCD (Residual Current Device). It is important to note that an external RCD, often a Type A or Type B, is typically required to be installed separately as part of the charging setup to ensure safety.
The Bosch EV305, requires an external RCD to be installed separately as part of the overall charging system to meet safety standards.
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My interpretation of the wiring rules suggests you would need a type B RCD to make this charger a compliant install.
@Fapprehend: Thanks so much for sharing this info.
How disappointing, it's still within the 30 days return period so I might look at returning it. I also just noticed that it's no longer listed on the SCA website.
@blairis: To clarify,
Regardless of the charger you select, it will need its own circuit, along with RCD /CB protection.
This bosch one just requires a type B rcd, which are $350 compared to a type A $45.
May aswell get a tesla gen 3 or other charger with the built in DC leakage protection.
Ill be taking mine back too.
@Fapprehend: Thanks again. Yes, I understand that an RCD is required regardless - just that the type and cost varies depending on the charger's inbuilt RCD.
I actually received a response from Bosch today, which was worded exactly the same as yours.
Now to test the SCA returns policy. The tape on the box has been carefully cut & opened - not sure whether that might contravene their 'seals unbroken' requirement so I'd best retape before returning.
And the search for a good value charger continues…
@blairis: The Comparison Table in this article might help your search:-
https://www.solarquotes.com.au/ev-chargers/#best-chargers
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