Plastic Bags, Climate Change, and Supermarket Profits. Follow The Money

Clickbait on 16/07/2025 - 16:03
Last edited 16/07/2025 - 16:15 by 1 other user

Now that you are paying 25 cents for a shopping bag, are you saving the planet?
It looks more like the supermarkets sold you a virtue and you bought it hook, line and sinker

In the meantime, the supermarkets turned a cost centre into a profit stream, selling more than $25M a year where there was a cost before

The “reusable” plastic bags flooding your homes, need to be used at least 37 times to make any environmental sense. I have a stack of over 50 what are going to finish up in the same place as the single use bags. Except the single use bags did have some utility

If the supermarkets, and everyone else cashing in on it, want to be honest, they should be donating every penny this revenue to climate resources, and posting their levels in every store every day

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Comments

  • Hybroid on 16/07/2025 - 16:06
    +36

    I miss the red polka dot Coles bags, they were quite handy and durable, but there's no question we've saved tonnes upon tonnes of unnecessary plastic going to landfill with the introduction of paper bags.

      • larndis on 19/07/2025 - 19:33

        I think the main reason materials aren't recycled, including soft plastics, is because recycling costs more than producing new

        • jv on 19/07/2025 - 19:40

          It doesn’t need to cost more.

          • larndis on 19/07/2025 - 19:59
            +1

            @jv: You should go into the recycling business then if you can reduce costs

            • jv on 19/07/2025 - 21:18

              @larndis: I'm looking for a partner to join me in the venture.

              • Crow K on 20/07/2025 - 17:44

                @jv: That should be easy enough, just make some screen grabs of your message board posts for the last week (maybe limit to 1,000 just to keep it brief) and then post them on LinkedIn with a message like "this is how I interact with people, would you like to invest your personal money in my ideas?"

    • Gdsamp on 16/07/2025 - 19:33
      +21

      replacing the free plastic bags with thicker higher plastic bags and making customers pay for them was a master stroke

    • cameldownunder on 16/07/2025 - 22:04
      +11

      Those paper bags are absolutely trash. Too small and too fragile. Result: people buying "Reusable" bags, me too, which now I have dozens of. And they will at some point go into the bin. When I clean out the boot of the car. Every time I go shopping its the same question: How many bag do I need, and inevitable I am always one short.

      • clover on 16/07/2025 - 23:33
        +15

        Why do people have that many? I have been using only 3 ever since they stopped plastics. I rarely forget to take them shopping with me. If I do, I have a large empty container in the trunk where all items can be emptied from the shopping cart into.

        • ThithLord on 17/07/2025 - 15:59
          +1

          It's like the meme of the man cycling on the bike who then inserts a rod into the spokes, resulting in a spectacular crash and tears all-round. It's bizarre.

        • Binchicken22 on 18/07/2025 - 18:23
          +2

          Delivery, quite a lot of people get delivery.

          • Ughhh on 20/07/2025 - 18:02

            @Binchicken22:

            Delivery, quite a lot of people get delivery

            Dont they deliver in paper bags, not reusable bags?

        • tenpercent on 19/07/2025 - 22:33
          -2

          I have been using only 3 ever since they stopped plastics.

          How often do you wash them? Is it just another tedious chore? How much water gets wasted on the activity each year? And how much detergent ends up in the waterways because of it?

          FYI 'they' haven't stopped plastic bags. At least not all of 'them'. My local IGA still does plastic bags.

      • DONMAI on 18/07/2025 - 13:55
        +3

        Further - cost and carbon footprint of paper bags from manufacturing and transporting is much higher when compared to the old plastic bags. whole of lifecycle of the product is important.

        Plastic bags were introduced many decades ago to replace paper bags to help the environment (reduce deforestation etc.) which is probably also marketing/feelgood bs.

        People are generally trash and the 'better' (less damaging) choice is very hard to assess with consideration to human behaviour, location to location. however these anti-plastic straw and plastic bag initiatives makes people become more environmentally conscious which likely has some meaningful positive impact.

    • Dr Phil on 17/07/2025 - 18:06
      +7

      How long ago was it when we did away with the same paper bags to save the planet?

      At least the previous thin grey plastic bags would break down over time.

      I dont believe these new reusable plastic bags do.
      I see heaps in garbage bins going to landfil.
      How is this saving the environment?

      As OP says - its all about the money!

      • Harold Halfprice on 17/07/2025 - 23:45
        +8

        At least the previous thin grey plastic bags would break down over time.

        People would use them as bin liners.

        Now we have to pay for basically the exact same plastic bin liners - so it's still going into the landfill. But now we have to buy "reusuable" bags which also end up in the landfill.

      • FW190 on 21/07/2025 - 07:34

        How long ago was it when we did away with the same paper bags to save the planet?

        same for take away food utensils.

        for a while, you are pure evil if you use disposable wooden chopsticks for your Asian meals, but now, it is suddenly good for the planet to use wooden knifes and forks for your smash avo on toast…….

    • surg3on on 17/07/2025 - 23:37
      +1

      Yeah we are now wasting tonnes of paper bags instead

    • trapper on 18/07/2025 - 14:20
      +3

      Like most people, we never just tossed out plastic shopping bags - they always got a second use, like lining the bin.

      Now we have to buy bin liners seperatly instead…

      If it was really about the environment then plastic packaging, which has no secondary purpose (or primary purpose for the most part) should have been banned.

      Not the actual useful plastic items like shopping bags and straws.

    • infinite on 20/07/2025 - 00:55
      -3

      Paper bags were done away with decades ago, because they filled up landfill at a stupidly faster rate than plastic bags did & and they functionally decompose at almost exactly the same rate regardless.

      Paper bags are also completely useless at holding anything much heavier than 4kg without tearing apart, so they hold no functional capacity to be re-usable to an ordinary person. Unlike plastic bags, which people would often re-use dozens if not hundreds of times over the couple of years they lasted.

      Colesworths were then able able to sell morons on the idea of doing the exact opposite under the guise of it being good for environment, even though the opposite is true. They laughed all the way to the bank separating enviro-fools from their money.

      As a share-holder, I certainly can't complain about profiteering off idiots.

    • The Wololo Wombat on 20/07/2025 - 16:39

      It would be nice if we were saving on waste. But 'reusable' bags are causing more waste.

  • jv on 16/07/2025 - 16:07
    +25

    Now that you are paying 25 cents for a shopping bag, are you saving the planet?

    No, now I'm killing trees for the single use paper pags and depriving the planet of oxygen…

    • RogerLoger on 16/07/2025 - 16:36
      +18

      Many shopping bags are made from recycled paper. Junk mail, electoral 'how to vote' forms and other 'glossy paper/cardboard are more the problem. They're usually made from highest-grade paper with a glossy coating, costing 100 million trees per year and who knows how many million Sydney harbours of fresh water. Some glossies can be recycled, but those with plastic coating cannot. How do you tell the difference?

      Meanwhile, our local council is now looking at giving us bin colour #4 to confuse us.

      • jv on 16/07/2025 - 17:01
        +5

        How do you tell the difference?

        I don't, so they now go to landfill whereas my previous 'single use' free plastic bags would get re-used many times and got recycled by our council after they were of no more practical use.

        • RogerLoger on 16/07/2025 - 19:47
          -3

          Bags were never and will never be free. 'Free' bags are a cost to business that they roll into prices. The alternative is they take the cost of their profit margin and that won't happen.

          Our paper glossies all go into recycle. Hopefully, they'll ruin a few rolls of paper and result in the plastic coated stuff being banned.

          • jv on 16/07/2025 - 21:06
            +9

            @RogerLoger:

            'Free' bags are a cost to business that they roll into prices.

            Prices did not go down when they stopped giving away the free bags.

            Now, they are making a profit on bags. They have become another product that they sell…

            • Muppet Detector on 17/07/2025 - 16:35
              +1

              @jv:

              Prices did not go down when they stopped giving away the free bags.

              Now, they are making a profit on bags. They have become another product that they sell…

              I get what you're saying, but I think your reasoning might not have all the information.

              You have always payed for the bags, just the way the store is forced to collect that money now has changed.

              In the past, you were paying, you just didn't know about it.

              These days, new electronic technology responsible for processing that sale means that passing on the cost to the customer needs to be done in an overt manner these days.

              Forcing us to buy all those heavier duty non disposable type bags was never meant to be the long term solution.

              They just needed to get the consumer used to paying for their bags now, but to make the concept more palatable, they told you they wanted to save the planet, but this means it's gonna cost you $1 a bag.

              Taught people to not only get used to overtly paying for those bags, but to get used to using a lot less of them as well.

              Once people got used to paying the $1 for a bag, they introduced the much cheaper 25c option and the consumer goes along with it because now they're convinced they're actually saving money!

              This is where we were supposed to be all the time. They just had to make sure we thought it was our idea and that our idea was a good thing.

              • jv on 17/07/2025 - 16:37
                +3

                @Muppet Detector:

                You have always payed for the bags,

                Now you are paying a lot more though…

                Before it was probably < 5 cents per shop, now it is around $2 for a plastic one or 25c for each paper bag which rarely can be reused.

                • Muppet Detector on 17/07/2025 - 16:40

                  @jv:

                  Now you are paying a lot more though…

                  Completely agree.

                  Back in the day, you covertly added just a few cents per order….

                  Dunno, maybe paper bags cost more now. They're certainly fancier than what we used to use. Handles and everything these days! Vewy vewy stiilishhh.

                  • jv on 17/07/2025 - 16:43

                    @Muppet Detector:

                    Dunno, maybe paper bags cost more now.

                    Paper bags were free too..

                    • Muppet Detector on 18/07/2025 - 05:58

                      @jv: I'm sure somebody had to pay for them and I promise you, if it was the shop/seller, they were covertly passing that cost onto the customer.

                      No such thing as a free lunch paper bag.

                      • jv on 18/07/2025 - 09:17
                        +1

                        @Muppet Detector:

                        they were covertly passing that cost onto the customer

                        But not marking them up by 500% back then.

                • Ryven on 18/07/2025 - 16:03

                  @jv: Don't insult the paper bags. Occasionally I get mine home without them tearing.

          • idonotknowwhy on 17/07/2025 - 12:14

            @RogerLoger: FYI - Coles and Woolies didn't want to do away with the free plastic bags. As predicted, it reduced the random impulse purchases when people happened to walk past the stores.

            If you look at the earnings reports when the bans rolled out, Coles ate a lot of Woolies market share that quarter, because they were about 1 month late rolling out the ban.

        • NigelPearson on 17/07/2025 - 08:24

          Good on you for reusing them. I still have some Coles red polka-dot bags that are hanging in there.

          …but do you think Council ever recycled them?

          I reckon soft plastics were NEVER recycled. Which is why RedCycle was created, and subsequently went bankrupt. No market for the product.

          • jv on 17/07/2025 - 09:40
            +1

            @NigelPearson:

            …but do you think Council ever recycled them?

            They said they did.

            They even sent out a flyer saying they do.

      • Ahoon on 17/07/2025 - 12:26
        +5

        Coles paper bags made in China, LOL. So much for local and sustainable.
        Kind of like companies buying your solar feed-in for their net-zero marketing, then selling you “eco” products made from China’s recycled waste. Makes perfect sense.

      • tenpercent on 19/07/2025 - 22:35
        -1

        Junk mail, electoral 'how to vote' forms and other 'glossy paper/cardboard are more the problem

        In the case of the last federal election, the greens managed a hat trick. I received in my letter box a glossy cardboard 'how to vote' card from The Greens. Ironic.

    • bobbified on 16/07/2025 - 19:36
      +5

      for the single HALF use paper pags

      They barely even made it home before the handle or some other part of it ripped and I'd have to chase my rolling fruit.

  • boomramada on 16/07/2025 - 16:08
    +50

    Now that you are paying 25 cents for a shopping bag, are you saving the planet?

    I haven't bought a bag from supermarket for like 15+ years. If you paying 25c per bag each time you shop, you shouldn't be in Ozb.

    • tenpercent on 19/07/2025 - 22:35

      They were only 15 cents until recently.

      Also what do you use instead?

      • Nerfy on 20/07/2025 - 08:10
        +2

        I bought two woolworths green bags like 5 years ago and have been using them ever since. One of them broke after a few years of carrying heavy things.

        I don't understand why the concept of bringing a bag when you go shopping is so hard for some people, especially since it's been several years now to break the old habit. Are these people unable to bring what they need to their jobs too?

        • tenpercent on 20/07/2025 - 10:11
          -3

          I bought two woolworths green bags like 5 years ago

          Do you wash them?

          break the old habit

          There's no old habit to break. Not bringing bags isn't a habit. Bringing bags every time is a new habit to be formed.

          • Nerfy on 20/07/2025 - 14:42

            @tenpercent: Nope. I carry them home and unload them within ~20 minutes and don't carry meat in them, they're not sitting in a car for hours leaking meat juice like that link mentioned. The only thing in them which isn't wrapped or packaged might be a rare fruit or vegetable with a hard shell or without wrapping like the top of celery.

            The old habit was expecting to get bags given to you when shopping instead of remembering to bring something with you to where you'll need it, like people are apparently perfectly capable with doing with everything else except for shopping bags when they need to bring something. That was how it was years ago, and some people still act like it's impossible to figure out to bring a reusable shopping bag with them when they go shopping.

            • tenpercent on 20/07/2025 - 14:53
              -2

              @Nerfy: Ecoli and salmonella can be found on more things than just meat.
              There's also research and case studies to show that norovirus and other germs get transmitted via reusable plastic bags.

              Out of interst what do you carry meat in?
              Or fruits and veggies?

              some people still act like it's impossible

              Sometimes even I forget to put them back in the car. Or sometimes I'm out and didn't plan to buy anything but I do anyway. Sometimes I buy more than I expected if there's a good sale. Sometimes those reusable bags fail too. You must have got a good batch if they're still going strong after 5 years. And I would guess very meagre grocery requirements (single?) if you can get by with just 2. Or maybe you go shopping every couple of days1?

              1. which is obviously great for the environment ↩

              • Nerfy on 21/07/2025 - 10:31

                @tenpercent: I'm sure you have equal concern about all the health and environmental risks associated with single use plastics.

                And I'm sure when you need to bring things to an appointment or a job you regularly say whoops I can't remember to bring things I need with me it's too hard.

                • tenpercent on 21/07/2025 - 11:51

                  @Nerfy:

                  I'm sure you have equal concern about all the health and environmental risks associated with single use plastics.

                  On the environmental risks front, no. There is far less plastic and expended energy and other resources to produce a single "single use" plastic bag. And on the health front, not as much concern as for 'reusable' plastic bags, since the more popular secondary uses for them are as bin liners or dog poop bags, etc.

                  whoops I can't remember to bring things I need with me it's too hard.

                  You have focussed on and misrepresented example 1 of a handful of possible reasons a person may not have reusable shopping bags with them and need to buy more.

                  Sometimes even I forget to put them back in the car.
                  Or sometimes I'm out and didn't plan to buy anything but I do anyway.
                  Sometimes I buy more than I expected if there's a good sale.
                  Sometimes those reusable bags fail too.

                  There's other reasons too which others have pointed to elsewhere in this thread. But you chose to focus only on one, why?

                  You mentioned you do not carry meat in reusable shopping bags. So what do you carry meat in? Or fruits and veggies for that matter which can also harbour E. coli and other nasties?

                  • Nerfy on 21/07/2025 - 15:49

                    @tenpercent: One single use bag is of course less than a single reusable bag, it's multiple single use bags used a single time which is the issue and you understand that but are pretending not to, using your limited time on earth to pretend to not be capable of understanding things.

                    Go on with your learned helplessness routine and selective crocodile tear concerns for why you can't achieve basic things.

                    I haven't bought meat in years. For somebody so concerned about their health and the environmental impacts from reusable bags, you don't seem to care about it any other situation.

                    • tenpercent on 21/07/2025 - 15:54

                      @Nerfy:

                      I haven't bought meat in years

                      I figured.

                    • Muppet Detector on 21/07/2025 - 17:09

                      @Nerfy: Hold on, meat isn't bad for your health. Especially Australian beef.

                      The only pathogens found in Australian beef are those on external surfaces that have been transferred by people touching them.

                      There are no intramuscular pathogens. Australian beef is sterile.

                      Proper cooking practises will kill those off anyway.

                      Other meats, seafood and shellfish may have contaminants, but good storage and cooking practises will keep these in check.

              • Muppet Detector on 21/07/2025 - 17:04

                @tenpercent: Meh, all those pathogens are commonly found in the human body and transferred simply by people touching their faces.

                With the exception of the spore formers such as clostridium botuli, most are kept under control with good food storage and cooking practises and basic personal hygiene practises such as hand washing and showering etc.

                Far more pathogens waiting to engage with you in public restrooms, public eating facilities and bowls of peanuts on bars.

                Ever watched what the person preparing your food when dining out, or prepared away from home uses their cloths for?

                LOL, same cloth that gets tucked into their waistbands, wipes benches, floors, spills of all sorts, heat cloths, wiping sweat off face, wiping hands after washing…

                Gawd, ever wonder what grows in a handbag or nappy bag? A kid's school bag?

                Ever slept in a bed in a hotel/motel? How often do you think they clean the pillows and blankets (among other things).

      • boomramada on 22/07/2025 - 08:35

        I got few bags similer to this https://www.aldi.com.au/product/aldi-cooler-bag-000000000000… but not from aldi.
        and few of these https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/676618/woo…

        Key is to put them back in the car soon as you unload your groceries

  • Clickbait on 16/07/2025 - 16:13
    -4

    Clarification. I don't buy them myself. Partner has to buy them occasionally when she gets caught out but the old bags were great for doggy poo bags, not these things

    • John Barosa on 16/07/2025 - 19:30
      +19

      50 times isn't occasionally, she should plan better. Why are you blaiming the store, for something that's ur wife's fault?

      • SimpleLeverage on 19/07/2025 - 10:03
        +1

        Not everyone drives to the supermarket on a regular basis.

        Single and two person households in urban areas often would grab a few things on their way home - a bag or two each time add up over the years. Pretty sure nobody's carrying reusable bags around in their back pocket everywhere they go.

        At least in the past the single use bags got a second life as bin liners.

        • bobwokeup on 19/07/2025 - 10:19
          +1

          That is honestly stupid unless you don’t drive to the shops? You live in the urban so I dare say you do so leave reusable bags in the boot, not hard at all. First couple of times you might forget but then just bring the shopping back to the car and pack them then.

          The little things matter and you clearly don’t get it.

          • SimpleLeverage on 19/07/2025 - 10:20

            @bobwokeup: That's exactly what I said. Not everyone drives to the shops. It's not hard to carry groceries for 15 minutes walk.

        • larndis on 19/07/2025 - 11:33
          +1

          I do carry reusable bags nearly everywhere I go.

          In the end, like with everything else, it comes down to consumers' willingness to pay. People who really, really don't want to buy a bag will find a way around it. But many don't care about an extra $2 and buy bags every shop.

          • bobwokeup on 19/07/2025 - 11:59

            @larndis: Yes sorry I missed that crucial part haha Even still it’s not hard to create a habit and bring them with you…the ones that are happy to pay are uneducated and/or don’t care about the environment, which thankfully are becoming the minority.

          • tenpercent on 19/07/2025 - 22:41

            @larndis:

            In the end, like with everything else, it comes down to consumers' willingness to pay. People who really, really don't want to buy a bag will find a way around it. But many don't care about an extra $2 and buy bags every shop.

            And because those $2 bags are heftier and thicker than old fashioned 'single use'1 bags, those people who do end up being caught out or just being lazy buying new bags more often than they really need ot (whatever the reason) completely cancels out any do-gooder 'efforts' from people who religiously bring their with them every single time.

            1. Note they're not really single use. For example I just pulled a few out from under the kitchen sink the other day and I'm tossing up whether to use them again or if I should flog them on ebay as antique collectibles. ↩

            • larndis on 20/07/2025 - 21:02

              @tenpercent: Yes I expect the total resources/pollutants from manufacturing the paper and reusable bags are not significantly reduced compared to to old style single use bags. Possibly it has even increased. We should expect these kind of unintended consequences of banning one specific product when there are no restrictions on alternatives or other uses of plastics.

              I am doubtful however that the supermarkets have significantly increased their profits due to selling bags, or that $$ (from bag sales) is their primary motive. More likely stakeholder/customer pressure and virtue signaling.

    • smartazz104 on 17/07/2025 - 07:29
      +4

      when she gets caught out

      Seems like a lot of people keep getting "caught out".

  • ThithLord on 16/07/2025 - 16:16
    +33

    Sorry what, exactly, is stopping your partner from using reusable bags? You don't need to buy the reusable bags from Coles.

    Some of the shit you people come up with is mind-boggling.

      • ThithLord on 16/07/2025 - 16:35
        +14

        Did that sound intelligent to you?

        • Protractor on 19/07/2025 - 10:37

          At what point did you begin to associate fantasy with reality?
          ; )

          • bobwokeup on 19/07/2025 - 10:49

            @Protractor: Did you mean to reply to Clickbait as he is clearly delusional?

            ThithLord gets it!!!

            • Protractor on 19/07/2025 - 11:06

              @bobwokeup: Nope, my reply was for the Lord. Although, it could easily apply to 'the bait'.

              • bobwokeup on 19/07/2025 - 11:56

                @Protractor: Yep okay makes no sense then.

                • Protractor on 19/07/2025 - 14:44

                  @bobwokeup: To you it makes no sense. My point was;
                  Hey Thithlord, imagine thinking that, at some stage cb, might think what he just said, sounded intelligent.

                  I guess over estimated your comprehension skills,too Bob.Did you just wake up?

    • Protractor on 16/07/2025 - 17:53
      +3

      That would preclude the predictable clickbait dropping another rage inspiring clickbait, about something he care diddly about. Whinging about saving the planet, or paying for the process. Yeah, like that's in 'its' wheel house, .LOL. ppl who are stupid enough to not take a shopping bag, etc, are paying a lazy or stupid tax.Not being duped or penalised in any way

    • Lastchancetosee on 17/07/2025 - 08:17

      Username checks out

  • Stewardo on 16/07/2025 - 16:28
    +10

    They’ve made little effort to stop selling things wrapped in single use plastic and give away free plastic toys/cookware.
    No doubt bringing your own reusable bag is good for the world, It is however a money making scheme though, as is the bottle recycling.
    They’re only in it for the shareholders, you’re a sucker if you genuinely believe they care about you or the world.

    • tenpercent on 19/07/2025 - 22:43

      There was a farmer who had a dog and Bingo was his name-o

  • Taro Milk Tea on 16/07/2025 - 16:41
    +4

    We all know this move was just another political move to benefit the rich even more. The rich just keeps getting richer.

    • Hardlyworkin on 16/07/2025 - 19:25
      +1

      If you can beat them….

  • youfnc on 16/07/2025 - 17:16
    +30

    If you’ve ended up with 50 bags at home, that says more about personal choice than any supermarket money making scheme. When does individual responsibility start to kick in

      • youfnc on 16/07/2025 - 17:49
        +8

        I’m unclear what the outrage is here. Corporate companies doing corporate things? Shocking. If you’re genuinely concerned about what the core issue is, maybe start by not buying the plastic bags in the first place.

        • Protractor on 16/07/2025 - 17:56
          +1

          He's Ozbargains Al Gore

        • simplystu on 16/07/2025 - 22:28

          probably the biggest Corporate issue here == when they decided to phase out those single use plastic bags.

          The majors … did it on a national scale - ALL stores to change over on same day … to be consistent nationwide.
          == so many plastic bags just going to landfill … rather than depleting down their stock until fully used.

          IMO … that was probably biggest mistake … but then … that was how many years ago ???
          And some of us repurposed those bags (heck, even ppl were selling them on ebay way back when).

    • Protractor on 16/07/2025 - 19:19
      +3

      When does individual responsibility start to kick in

      After all the parasitic options run out,of course.

      Much easier to whinge about stuff you don't even believe in , than have a 6 pack of spare bags in your car.Planning ahead requires grey matter.

      This is just clickbait, clickbaiting.

      • Muppet Detector on 17/07/2025 - 16:51
        +1

        I do agree with what you're saying, but I don't think that those who get their groceries home delivered get the option to provide their own bags.

        I'm pretty sure they just charge a flat rate of $2 per order for bags.

        Maybe it's charged per bag if you only need a few, maybe more than $2 if they use more than eight to pack your groceries.. idk the intricacies of how they charge.

        • Protractor on 17/07/2025 - 18:01
          +1

          Yes I wan't even thinking about the delivered stuff.
          Clickbait isn't talking home delivery, though. He's fretting about a charge not going to something he doesn't believe in, while hoping to stay in the good books at home.
          In the home delivery situation Colesworth should be using the best enviro option they can. And free or very cheap to thank the customers choosing them and keeping that business model alive.

          • Muppet Detector on 17/07/2025 - 18:03

            @Protractor: My first thought was to label home delivery as lazy bums.

            Then I thought about old people or others who experience mobility or transportation challenges.

            • BobLim on 18/07/2025 - 22:05

              @Muppet Detector:

              others who experience mobility or transportation challenges

              I too have seen these rolling roadblocks attempting to drive - a challenge they're apparently not up to…

    • tenpercent on 19/07/2025 - 22:46

      OP and millions like him have negated all your 'individual responsibilty' for at least a decade.

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