Fashion Advice for 20 Year-Old Me

I didn't come from a family that took an interest in fashion/style, so I had to learn a few things by trial and error.

I'm about 40 now, and on my way to here I've bought some weird stuff because I got hypnotised by a brand, didn't understand the terrain, or got confused about what actually mattered. I've worked in office environments in a few countries, been in a lot of shops, and have been able to learn off people as I went.

In case it's of any use to anyone on here (whether you're a young person trying to make sense of stuff, a parent trying to help their son along, or just a person hoping to learn something new) I thought I'd write down a few things that I've just found to be proven performers that will work well for almost anyone. And will help you avoid the pitfalls of overpaying for nerd stuff that you're unlikely to even appreciate.

Of course, everyone's sense of style is different. The things I'm listing here are designed to be classic, standard, good quality gear you're unlikely to get sick of. Add your own flourishes for sure.

Shoes:
For casual shoes, getting along to a Converse factory outlet store and picking yourself up a $60 pair of low top or high top canvas Chuck Taylor All-Stars is how to do it. They suit almost everyone's personality, they have cred, and they don't go out of style. Air Jordan 1 (the original model) in leather is a bit more expensive (often achievable for $100 on Foot Locker website) but is also a fad-proof workhorse. For running shoes, pay $70-100 on sale unless you're training for actual races. Clarks suede desert boots in light brown are the step up in formality and they can be got on Amazon for well under $100 on sale. Try them on in a shop, note down your size, then wait. They can do you for casual Friday at an office job, random family events, and stuff like dinners on holiday. They look great with jeans and either a plain t-shirt or some sort of flannel/cheque button-up.
For work shoes, I've found that Clarks leather shoes when they're on Amazon sale are good value. Buy rubber-soled shoes unless you're working in a fancy place, the leather-soled ones are much more expensive, arguably less comfortable, and require a maintenance budget. Think hard before paying the $600 price of admission to the RM Williams lads club: that money is a return flight to about 15 different countries, and you'll be then expected to have opinions about crypto.

Jeans:
Forget about which brand is on the label. Jeans that fit your particular shape look good, jeans that don't fit right look shit. Start your search by going into a reasonably fancy store that has knowledgeable staff that can give you advice and feedback on what's fitting you. Sponge up that knowledge and start marching around cheaper shops looking for something that fits the same. You might have to try on 10 or more pairs of jeans before you discover the one, and that's ok. The other week I picked up some slim jeans at Big W for $25 and they fit really well. Who cares if they don't last quite as long, I paid a tenth the price of a fancy label. If you find a pair you're thrilled with after a couple of months of ownership, pick up two more pairs next time they're on sale and put them in your cupboard. You'll be sorted for years. If you do want a brand, Levi is a socially good company with a lot of different fits that can be got for under $100 on sale.

Tshirts:
Same deal as with jeans. Find advice on fit and then go apply what you learn. I've found that the slim fit plain tees at H&M fit me great and cost $15. Some of them I've worn hundreds of times and they're still going. Uniqlo has an interesting range of art and pop culture tees for $25, but again make sure they fit.

Watches:
With a smartphone in everyone's pocket, watches are semi-decorative at this point. But it's almost the only piece of decorative shiny stuff that a lot of blokes wear, so it's a nice chance to just have something pretty for the hell of it. There are two main types of analogue watches: quartz and automatic. Quartz is 1970s tech that has a replaceable battery and is more accurate. Automatic/mechanical watches use older tech that is more artsy and less accurate (and the watch stops if you don't wear it for a couple of days), but the watch nerds enjoy the whole artform of it. It's possible to get carried away and start building a collection of watches, but if you're a regular person who just wants to look good I suggest just two: a quartz Tissot (T1504101105100) for the office/events, which is often available at Mazzucchelli's for $450-ish, and a digital Casio G-Shock (DW5600UE-1D) for outdoors and exercise, which is often available online for about $150. Both watches are high quality and not cheesy, and the nerds will realise that you kinda know what you're doing without forking out the big dollars to get caught in their $5000 arms race. And keep away from fashion brands (Armani, Calvin Klein etc), they charge $300 for a $100 watch.

Suits:
Fit is what matters. Go to a menswear store, try some stuff on, get advice, and note down the measurements of what fits. Then go to ASOS or something and buy for less. If you only need to wear a suit sometimes, a wool-poly blend will be fine (rather than pure wool). Dark blue and charcoal are the two most versatile colours, it's weird to wear a black suit to work. Avoid pinstripes and stuff unless you really understand what you're doing. On the fit, allocate $60 or so in your budget for tailoring to ensure that the cuffs and hems sit right. That makes a huge huge difference and it's money well spent.

Formal shirts:
Same drill. Go get your measurements (chest, waist, neck, sleeve length) and advice, and wait for a sale at Charles Tyrwhitt. Should be able to get 3 shirts for about $120. The important things are avoiding a large amount of baggy fabric around your waist, not going so tight through the chest that the gaps between the buttons open up like you're a busty woman, getting the cuff to sit below the wrist bone, and avoiding the "collar too tight" Donald Trump turkey neck. You want the shirt cuff a centimetre or so longer than the jacket cuff. Subtle fine stripes are ok for shirts, especially if you're not planning to wear a tie and just need a bit of texture in the outfit. White and light blue are the most versatile colours.

Ties:
Don't be a gimmick with wacky designs or loud patterns. Skinny and wide ties swing in and out of fashion, if you're buying $15 polyester ties on ASOS you can afford to play along, otherwise chart the middle course with a couple of classic silk ties.

Socks:
For workwear, don't wear black socks with brown shoes, don't wear brown socks with black shoes. A safe method is wearing socks that are a darker tone of whatever colour your pants are. Places like TK Maxx sell 5 and 10 packs of brand-name socks at great prices.

Fragrance:
A bit subjective, but don't try to overpower the room. If you want a fresh clean scent for $20, Voyage by Nautica is often on sale at Chemist Warehouse and Amazon. The scent won't last for 8 hours or anything, but it's good for dinners and trips to the pub, and you could consider giving yourself a couple of top-up spritzes at lunchtime at work.

Belts:
Match the belt colour with the shoe colour whenever possible. Black shoes and brown belt isn't the way unless you're a risk-taking expert. Wear a belt even if you don't need one… it just looks right.

Coats:
If you're in a climate where coats are on the menu for a few months per year, it can be worth spending some real coin on a pure wool short trench coat from a good brand (in charcoal colour). It's the most prominent piece of clothing when you're wearing it, you can wear it day after day, and you'll get years out of it. Again, fit matters. Don't buy something online that you haven't tried on: you want the coat to come inwards where you do, outwards where you do, and be the right length at the cuff. There's a notion in interior design that you can get away with a few IKEA/cheap things in a room if you've got a really nice interesting item in the room that catches the eye and makes everything look swish. Same idea can apply to outfits… if your jeans fit you and you're wearing a nice coat, people will just assume that your H&M t-shirt is top notch too.

If there's a common theme here, it's to take the time to learn what a good fit is (YouTube can also help), don't get dazzled by designer labels, and for your core items go with things with a classic vibe that you won't cringe at in 12 months time. You don't need to make this your hobby or become an expert, you can get to a good level by just digesting the key points then shopping around for an affordable item that fits. I'm also not advocating being a dull human. Some of the most interesting and amusing people I've met are low-key dressers and it arguably boosts the impact. You don't see many stand-up comics wearing clown suits, the outfits tend to be neutral so people's attention is focused on what the person is actually doing and saying.

I've probably missed some stuff, but that'll do. Cheers!

What other time/money-saving tips have people picked up along the way?

Comments

  • +18

    Thanks for the advise

    • You need some advice on spelling :).

      Ps. Oliver people's glasses

      • +10

        Whoosh?

      • +7

        That's how its spelt around here.

  • +10

    bintang singlet, billabong boardies, kmart thongs and call it a day.

    Chuck on a tapout hoodie in winter

    • If you have a good body and a cute face you can get away with that tbh. When you look good your clothes wear you.

  • +1

    A friend of mine buys the same combo of clothes that are on the mannequins, obviously in the size that fits him.

  • -2

    Ask AI to dress you.

    EDIT, Also I dress 'peak' Ali G. I love it. The girls love it.
    Style never goes out fashion.

    • My wife has had success using AI to recommend colour tones that match her complexion. Seems like a pretty interesting tool.

      • +2

        LOL.
        LOOK OUT!
        You're at the thin edge of the AI intervention relationship wedge wedge. Especially when you use the term 'interesting tool', when justifying it.

        • As long as AI doesn’t start making her morning coffee, I think I’m safe. If it does, I'll be finished!

    • Fubu.. respect, big up lol
      Those never get old to watch either.

      Jordans and a gold chain..

  • -6

    What other time/money-saving tips have people picked up along the way?

    Find something more important to worry about. Shoes matching belt? Nobody GAF.

  • -4

    So is this for a 20 year old? A 40 year old?

    And what's your go to when you want to cross dress?

    Seriously, I'd guess every one of my sons (and my husband) would answer that differently.

    • +1

      I think he’s trying to say as a 40 year old, giving advice to his 20 year old self…

      • Ahhhh

        I taught my kids to appreciate the classics.

        I've got one kid who doesn't believe in sex before marriage and doesn't play any team sports, who will only wear Calvin Klein boxers under his clothes.

        Granted he did model these at one stage, but these days he has to pay for them himself.

        I said "dude, I'd understand if somebody was ever going to see them…"

        He told me that he wore them because they were comfortable.

        • If there was a good deal on them I’d prob wear CK more often. Otherwise I guess I will continue slumming it in the bonds x temps.

          • +3

            @Jimothy Wongingtons: At least you have a wife who may see them!

            This kid is the ultimate yuppy. He is attracted to the brand name clothes, but won't choose any with obvious branding. At most, he would tolerate a small embroidered logo somewhere, but definitely no obvious names or brands etc.

            This kid is so meticulously dressed and groomed that he'd be horrified if someone got a peek at the top of his undies if the back of his pants went down too far.

            Hence my amusement at $60 undies. Absolutely nobody is ever going to know that he is even wearing them.

            He does have champagne tastes (although he doesn't drink alcohol, lol), but has an income to match, so it's really isn't any of my business lol!

  • +6

    This has the problem that it's advice from 20 years ago. I'm also 40, this was what I wore 20 years ago, converse, jeans and a tshirt.

    Anyone who works in an office shouldn't wear a fragrance. No one wears ties (just buy a black one for black tie/funerals/dress up parties), most people wear randomly coloured socks and even belts aren't a necessity if you buy well fitted pants (ah, to have my 20 year old body again). Shoes aren't just black and brown oxfords in an office environment either.

    Also where are the jackets? Tshirt with nothing over makes you look 12. Coats are part of fashion too, not just warmth.

    Mostly though, don't ever take the advice of one person on what you should wear. Figure out the look that makes you feel good, then buy that and get it fitted to you. It's not the 1990s anymore, we can dress however we like.

  • +2

    I feel sorry for people who spend this much attention and money on fashion.

    Just wear what feels comfortable and you feel good in. Trying to dress to impress is a waste of time.

    • +2

      Whether we like it or not, in lots of workplaces people get judged (and their career prospects affected) by how they present. I made a few early mistakes along these lines out of ignorance/naivety, and eventually found efficient ways to tick the box without becoming consumed by it and spending heaps.

      I didn't write this post for someone who knows it all already, or doesn't need to know it. But if a couple of people decide to go and figure out what shirt size they actually are and then have a better time of it at work, then great.

      • +1

        people get judged (and their career prospects affected) by how they present. I made a few early mistakes along these lines out of ignorance/naivety

        How do you know you made "mistakes"?

        Is a workplace where they readily judge a book by its cover really the best place to work>

      • +3

        If your work cares about that sort of thing it's a shit place to work and you should leave anyway.

        If you're getting promotions because of your dress then it's (profanity) up.

        • +6

          Image is part of what people subconsciously use to form opinions about people. If someone appears to be doing well on one front, they're more prone to receiving the benefit of the doubt on something else. You can argue all day long about how it shouldn't be that way, but it's what humans do.

          • -1

            @pork: I have no problems if you want to play that game. (Well, to be honest, I would surely mock you if I knew you.)

            But it certainly isn't a game I played, and I have no regrets.

  • +2

    And will help you avoid the pitfalls of overpaying for nerd stuff that you're unlikely to even appreciate.

    If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be it
    A long-term benefits of sunscreen have been proved by scientists
    Whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable
    Than my own meandering experience, I will dispense this advice now

    • +1

      I was at the beach the other day and saw that people still willingly bake themselves in the sun.
      I can't believe people still do that to themselves.

      I would have to go back to a much younger me and tell him to stay out of the sun.

      Def sunscreen is necessary if you go in the sun. But like PPE, avoidance of risk is far better than protection from it.

  • -1

    This kind of reads like advice to fly under the radar. I don't necessarily disagree with the suggestions with that in mind, but there is no reason not to wear clothes you enjoy wearing most of the time.
    I do violently disagree with the advice on scent/cologne.
    Don't wear a scent except when you are trying to be romantic, it isn't appropriate in a workplace. Some people don't mind, but others do, and will make gagging faces behind your back. You don't want that at work.
    You probably don't want it on a date either, but that is up to you.

    • This is the first I've heard of anyone having an issue with cologne. I can imagine eyes rolling if excessive.

      I have a job where I have to be clean shaven. If I don't use aftershave, I itch.
      A colleague once told me that I smell nice. I take that as a win for cologne.

      There are definitely worse things in the workplace than colognes. One I can think of is lack of it.
      No one wanted to be the one to confront the problem, so we chipped in and bought this colleague deodorant. I can't remember whether it was as a birthday gift or just left on her desk one night.

      • I remember walking past high school students lockers fighting my way through this eye watering gag enticing stench called lynx chocolate.

      • There was a post here about perfume/cologne, large majority against it in office.

        • hmm interesting. I understand that some people use excessively, but I figured that's just a part of having to interact with humans. I'd have though this is a long way down the list.

          I mean, most deodorants are scented. We definitely don't want to smell people's natural odours, masking them is a good thing. Especially in an office.

          I might be the odd one out here, but I'll bet I could tolerate lynx chocolate more than anyone could the office before we gifted deodorant.

        • Just don't need to bathe in it, a couple of pumps fine, better than smelling bad.

  • time to become a goth

  • +5

    about what actually mattered.

    None of it matters. Wear what you want, who cares. I wear $5 shirts from Kmart because I couldn't care less.

    • Anko represent!

  • +1

    Starts off recommending Chuck Taylor
    Rest of post ignored

  • +1

    In the real world the vast majority of people dont care one bit about what you are wearing they have their own worries in life.

    Clean, tidy and dont smell simple rules.

    Certainly dont over do the cologne majority of people who use cologne or perfume actually over do it. No one wants to smell it or choke as you walk past.

    Only a intimate partner should be able to smell it any stronger and its too much.

    This post actually makes me think its from a single person with too much time on their hands.

  • +2

    OP needs to post a pic up so we can rate the fit.

  • +2

    Yeah I wouldn't wear much of what you said.
    Even for jeans there's differences between fits of jeans.
    So not great advice in my opinion.

  • Exactly, clothes don't make the man, you'd have to be good looking and supporting a six pack ideally.

    • I would partly disagree- if you are good looking then ok clothes might not be that important but if you are an average joe like me then clothes and a good posture certainly help in buidling confidence which overall has an impression on your outlook.

      • Kev, the clothes really aren't making a difference mate.

        Good posture +1.

  • Hmmm, the only clothing I bought this year so far is two packs of 3 pairs of socks for $4 each. My post is much shorter.

    • Stocking up?
      My wife bought me more socks, but I like the ones my daughter gave me 10 years ago.

      The only reason for buying new clothes is if you can't wash your existing favourites often enough.
      Or when your wife or daughter notice the holes etc and throw your favourites out.

      • Yes I stocked up.
        Yes, holes in the socks, or the elastic goes.

        • yeah socks with holes is probably eol. rip.
          My daughter got me Explorers, they are so good and seem like they'll last forever. I'm happy Mon-Wed. I've twice bought more, but they just don't make the same ones.

      • +1

        Darning is not difficult and can be a relaxing hobby.

        • My wife knows how to sew, but she's got an issue with my favourite clothes. Women get jealous over the smallest things. I don't think she'd like it if I started patching up the clothes she throws away.

  • Time spent thinking about fashion is not time well spent. Just be comfortable and devote yourself to more productive activities in life.

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