Is Anyone Else Sad That SUVs and Utes Are So Prevalent Now?

Unless you're living under a rock, SUVs and utes (extremely large utes for that matter) are everywhere. Car manufacturers are opting to produce only large vehicles, some cutting their small sedans and hatches.

VOX did a video on this a while back for the US and I can kind of see it being similar in Australia. It is just sad that it has become this way, not just from an environmental POV but from a normal citizen and car enthusiast's POV as well.

Utes are considered work vehicles and receive some benefits which make them a popular choice for business owners who use them for "work purposes". Similarly, everything is so expensive these days, it is understandable that families want to have the most versatile/practical vehicle if they can only have one. That is where my level of reasoning ends.

However, Australians seem to have the American ideals where bigger is better, and what is worse is that half of these SUVs (cross overs and more?) have worse space than some hatchbacks and wagons… like what is with that? The bigger and heavier they are the less fuel efficient they are, the more damage they do to the roads and the more dangerous they are to other cars around them etc.

I wish our roads were filled with cars like in Japan and we had much better public transport like most major cities but I don't think that'll happen any time soon.

Poll Options

  • 491
    Yes
  • 91
    No
  • 21
    Indifferent

Comments

  • +19

    Very sad

    • +64

      undeniable that bad driving final boss is ford rangers though

      • +11

        I would tend to agree, but RAM owners beg to differ… It is a tight race.

        • +2

          And particularly tight in car parks.

          • +3

            @Clear: Not really, they just park in the middle of two car parks. Heaps of room.

        • call them them War road war

      • +2

        I hope they still teach the kids about Ranger Danger at school.

    • +37

      Sure the owners pay for the fuel, but we as a collective pay for the emissions, the roads and in general I like efficiency.

      Idk I see plenty of bad drivers in cars other than utes/suvs.
      I agree with that - In the areas I frequent everyone is a bad driver. However, a small car speeding is going to be doing less damage than a big car. At the end of the day, the car isn't responsible for an accident, the driver is.

      • -2

        When we talk emissions, we should generally forget about consumer emissions.
        But if we are - we should be incentivising just 10% of people in China to give up petrol vehicles (because the number of people in Australia that 1. drive and 2. contribute to global emissions is a drop in the ocean in comparison).

  • +21

    I agree they are a dumb choice for all the same reasons. I don't let other people making that choice affect me, though.

    Despite the trends, there are still solid hatch and sedan options from reliable manufacturers, Like Suzuki, Mazda and Toyota. I do miss station wagons, like the old commodore, falcon, camry, magna etc.

      • +35

        Just imagine pulling up to the next Ozbargain meetup in one of those bad boys: KFC carpark on a $15 for 4 zingers kinda night, it’s winter so you’re rocking you Halo down jacket, your eneloops charging your wolfbox MF100 so you can use it to blow dry your butthole after using the bidet.

        • +20

          Stop. I can only get so erect.

        • Why KFC?
          I thought we were playing Monopoly at McDs.

    • -1

      Had a VE Sportwagon and moved to a Sealion 7.

      There really isn't a lot of size difference between the two. Higher wheelbase on the SL7 and that's about it.

      Commodore is actually longer by 6.7cm but it's width is 3cm less.

      Holden VE Series II Commodore Sportwagon (“VE II Sportwagon”)
      Length: 4,897 mm
      Width: 1,899 mm
      Height: 1,470 mm
      Wheelbase: 2,915 mm

      BYD Sealion 7 (2025 model)
      Length: 4,830 mm
      Width: 1,925 mm
      Height: 1,620 mm
      Wheelbase: 2,930 mm

    • I've been sticking to that as well myself, but it's getting harder and harder with how much I drive at night. Road is genuinely blinding at some points thanks to how high the lights are on some of these cars.

  • -2

    Sad That SUVs and Utes Are So Prevalent Now?

    No

    • Agreed! The comments made by OP is becoming less and less relevant as we become more and more electrified. There is a huge surge in hybrid SUVs that use less than half the petrol of the old Corollas from 10 years ago. With plugs ins and EVs flooding in, they are using less and less petrol. Once you couple this with the fact that 40% of Australian households already have solar panels and there's $2.3 billion of incentive for everyone to get batteries, our future is looking green indeed. However, I do agree with the utes, they should all be replaced by fuel efficient SUVs unless they are genuinely required for business/carting around goods.

      • -7

        Once you couple this with the fact that 40% of Australian households already have solar panels

        Doesn't help with charging your car after you return from work each day…

        • +2

          They do, we have a clever device for storing that energy until it's needed

      • If you give me $60k for my diesel 4x4 ute, I'll 'replace' it

      • +5

        Its not just about emissions. The sheer size of these things makes the roads more dangerous as you can't see past them.

        • I felt that way until I decided if you can't beat them, join them. On my 3rd SUV now and won't be going back.

      • Hybrid sedans use less petrol than hybrid SUVs no?

  • +8

    The bigger and heavier they are the less fuel efficient they are, the more damage they do to the roads

    A Tesla usually weighs more than a typical SUV…

    • +2

      What is an SUV these days? people call the model Y an SUV. Some "SUV" are just small cars jacked up.
      Electric adds weight. A Tesla is sim,ilar weight to the old Falcodores, but less than a territory, and much less than a twin-cab pickup truck, aka "ute".

      How about an electric "ute"? Hummer EV is over 4 tons empty.

      • -2

        Hummer EV is over 4 tons empty.

        25% more than the non-EV…

    • +4

      A Model Y AWD is 1979kg. A similar spec mid size SUV like the Kia Sportage AWD (non hybrid) is 1764kg.

      Just over 12% difference. Others like the Rav4/CX5 a little lighter, but still under 15% difference.

      • And just for comparison - a Toyota Prado Kakadu 2025 is 2595kg

    • Interesting…

      so the emissions whingers and the road damage whingers are actually opposing teams… and a heap of OZBers are whinging for both teams.

    • Not more than a ford Ranger

  • +2

    what is worse is that half of these SUVs (cross overs and more?) have worse space than some hatchbacks and wagons… like what is with that?

    and you wonder why people are getting Utes? More space!

    • +4

      Dual cab interiors are small in the rear though haha, and you get a nice small tray for your hassle.

    • More cargo space, less passenger space than a medium sized SUV let alone a large 7 seater SUV/people mover that is the same or shorter in length.

      • +1

        Pros and Cons for getting an SUV vs a Ute. More people space, less cargo for an SUV.

  • +14

    Yes I'm crying like a baby at what cars people drive

  • +17

    I got an SUV. Reason? Old parents. SUV's are a little easier to get in and out of and they have more trunk space for wheelchairs.

    Getting old sucks.

    Also a myriad of reasons for getting one https://www.reddit.com/r/CarsAustralia/comments/14vg20l/why_… but I think the marketing has won everyone over.

    • +2

      For your use case 100% sounds like the right decision. I'm not saying bigger cars should not exist at all - they have a purpose for sure.

      • +4

        I disagree. Wagon would possibly be more suitable, and that goes for many other SUV buyers. Car guy on radio was saying the same thing the other day to someone with a wheelchair.

    • +13

      have more trunk space

      How many miles to the gallon do you get of gas?

      • +1

        Howdy partner. According to the dealer avg 8.4L/100km to 8.8L/100km.

        I work from home permanently so I actually do not spend that much on petrol. For most my trips I'm still using a decade old Toyota Corolla hatchback.

      • +2

        Leave the American alone, this is the real reason they bought the big car, just being patriotic

      • +4

        I get 40 rods to the hogshead …

    • My grandmother disagrees with you, she finds it hard to step up into a SUV but if you found one that works great.

      • -3

        she finds it hard to step up into a SUV

        She must be very short then.

      • +1

        Could be the difference between the traditional big SUV/4WD and the "crossover SUV" types that are common these days - the crossovers tend to be a better height to just step into, as opposed to having to step up like a big SUV or lower yourself down into like a regular sedan.

    • +3

      I have to agree with you.

      First hand experience with older parents who owned an SUV, purchased a new sedan a year ago and are having issues getting in and out. (Dad struggles to get out then has to go help mum out).. never had this issue with an SUV. They still have their 15yo SUV that they regularly drive over their brand new sedan that they paid over 80k for.
      They are looking to trade it in for a SUV early next year.

      I've have an midsize SUV myself and will only get something of equal or greater size next with kids/sports/travel etc. Also the view higher up is not appreciated until you drive a sedan (i.e. dad's car)
      They can go ahead and add road charges/taxes on larger cars, it wont deter me buying a larger car for at least the next 10-15 years.

      • +2

        The view ahead benefit only works if there aren’t other SUVs in front of you. And there are a lot of SUVs on the road now, so not really a benefit anymore.

        • True, but its worse when you are in a sedan trying to look around taller SUV's.. at least with the SUV you are at a similar/comparable height.
          It comes down to preference. The SUV (at this stage of life) offers something that a sedan or wagon cannot. In the future when we are empty nesters, a 2 door Porsche 911 will do the trick just fine.

    • Does it have Shackleton rear seats, heard they are easy to get in and out of, you know.

  • +4

    Couldn’t care less

  • +10

    our public transport system is actually very good despite popular belief that it isnt… in Sydney anyway. Especially now with the metros.

    If you measure public transport system based on promptness, then yeh its not as good as some cities where the trains come to the second… but in terms of coverage, i dont think there arent many cities in the world that has it as good.

    • +9

      My theory is Sydney people who whinge about public transport have never had to rely on public transport in other capital cities (let’s not even talk about regional locations)

      • +1

        Well as a Sydneysider, i know the main reason i complain about public transport is;

        a) its really only good if you can get there via train/metro. If you want to use a bus, its awful. I can get a train about 75% of the way to my work in maybe 20min. Then it takes me 1hr to get the remaining 25% of the way by bus, assuming i can even get onto the bus because they're so full

        Good luck getting North-South via public transport in sydney. For some reason there's no trains and you need to go into Central so the 30min car trip is now 1.5hrs. If you want to simply get the the CBD and back, you're golden

        b) the trains are often f**ked during rush hour. I would happily use the train to get back and forth to work but there's a maybe 10% chance that i'm going to be caught in some sort of transport nightmare scenario due to strike action, trackwork, signal failure, suicide etc

      • +1

        Sydney PT is absolutely dreadful compared to cities like London, New York, Paris etc. But its maybe better than Adelaide so that's cool 😂

  • Just said to my Mrs should of kept my ute then saw this lol

  • +18

    Unless you're living under a rock, SUVs and utes (extremely large utes for that matter) are everywhere.

    The biggest thing that worries me about utes getting bigger is that tradies are some of the worst drivers on the roads.

    Go to the Dash Cam Owners Australia channel on YouTube, pick any of their weekly or monthly compilation videos, and play “count the tradies”.

    • +8

      The final boss is always a jacked up UTE with 3-4 ladders (or offroad equipment) strapped to the top, and topped off with a red P plate. Plus snorkels, and the direct venting turbo wastegate

      • The downside to having testosterone. It can make a man do some stupid stuff. But i don't think having more soy boys with the camries is any kind of solution. Just live your life and stop judging others on how they live theirs.

        • Nothing show more testosterone than waking up the neighbourhood 5AM (or 11PM) with the gutted exhaust, hey? I am going to judge those numpties, and so does the whole neighbourhood. related

  • -1

    If you can’t beat them…

  • +17

    It is pretty gross. Whenever I see them I feel bad about where we've gone and the people buying these shit boxes.

    Just making transport worse and more dangerous. Australia really (profanity) up in this regard when they had a chance to be more like Japan instead of more like America.

    • +1

      instead of more like America

      Australia should have kept going and populated the centre of the country as well.

    • -2

      Lol, we have 20 times the area of Japan with a spread out population.

  • Sad

    Sad you don't get to bully the small car drivers anymore?

  • +16

    Every day I park my car in the carpark at work and see thousands of massive utes and 4x4s sitting there all day long - just being used as commuter vehicles from home to the city and back again.
    It does feel a bit ridiculous.

    • +12

      Not to mention the air quality when you have to drive anywhere through thick traffic. Try Brisbane to Gold Coast. It is insane the number of people who need to drive between these cities every day, with traffic slowing to 10-30km/h for up to 2 hours, making the trip take as long as 3 hours (compared to 1-1.5 hours via public transport).

      Australia has screwed itself in the XXX with its lack of foresight on public transport, its never-ending catering to drivers, and its never-ending catering to property investors.

      House prices and traffic congestion: the 2 easily solvable problems that Australia refuses to solve. Holy crap, and our land area to population ratio is one of the best in the world. Seriously thinking about moving to a smarter country.

      • +3

        Totally agree on public transport. It was pathetic to see the media gushing over the recently opened Sydney Metro which while it is great is just a tiny fraction of what other cities around the world have had for over 100 years.

        I'm originally from London and my mum never learned to drive. Because the public transport is so extensive there she didn't need to.

  • +22

    What's annoying about this is that even though I hate SUVs and love my little 2004 Toyota Corolla, the SUVs are so prevalent on the roads that i'm worried about my children's safety because its very likely that if I do get into an accident it will be with a car twice the size of mine. So i'll probably buy an SUV as my next car… and the cycle of bigger and bigger cars continues..

    • +5

      You need to one-up to feel safer than SUVs - buy a Van / Truck / Tractor !

    • +1

      I've had friends and family feel this way too and I don't blame them for it

    • +5

      SUVs are less safe. They are slower to stop (because they're heavier), and more likely to roll over because of their higher centre of gravity and elevated suspension.

    • +1

      I always laugh when I see this sort of comment. Drivers thinking they are cyclists or something.

    • +1

      Buy a Unimog.

    • To be honest a 2004 Corolla isn't a safe car even without all the new SUVs.

      A current model Corolla is much safer.

      I wouldn't drive a 2004 Corolla as a daily with my kids, nor would I let my kids drive one.

  • +14

    Head-to-Head Crash Statistics

    In head-on crashes between passenger cars (sedans) and SUVs, odds of death for the sedan driver are 7.6 times higher than for the SUV driver.
    

    When the SUV has a higher safety rating than the sedan, sedan occupants are nearly 10 times more likely to die than the SUV occupants (odds ratio 9.8).

    Even if the sedan is heavier than the SUV, the sedan’s occupants are still more likely to die (40.1% mortality rate in the sedan vs. 24.4% in the SUV).

    Overall, the chance of death to the sedan driver in a collision with an SUV is 66%, compared to just 14% for the SUV driver in the same scenario (based on a dataset of over 1,200 paired crashes).

    Perplexity

    • Wow, I didn't know this. Another reason why Sedans have become less popular.

    • +5

      So it's just a dumb arms race. Once "everyone" has an SUV we'll need to go to tanks. Humans are dumb

    • Do you have a link / source for those stats? Not challenging you; I'd like to read more.

    • +1

      This raises a few questions from me:

      1. What percentage of crashes are head-on collisions?
      2. What percentage of crashes involve rollovers, and what's the predominant type of vehicle in these accidents? (I think we all know the answer to this)
      3. When does the arms race stop? When every small family owns a Scania?
  • +4

    My understanding (so could well be wrong), but they proliferated while there was an instant tax writeoff (was it $50K or $60K?) from about 2017-18 for small businesses. Hence a lot of tradies driving them, but just about any family with a small business could avail. Can't say I blame them, but I do find that the vehicle size seems to impart a false sense of security (and hence increased risk) when driving. I find it interesting that a legislative change like that would flow on to things in future like having to redraw parking lot sizes, for example.

  • +6

    I don't like them anyway.

    But what makes me sad is the decrease in driving ability and awareness of people in general. This leads to a proliferation of these vehicles because people feel safer in them. But having these people in these vehicles makes them even more of a hazard to other people on the road, especially cyclists like me.

    Not to mention that they are bog ugly and all look the same

  • -5

    I couldn't give a fat rats clacker what other people decide to spend their money on.

    • +17

      I'd agree except in this case it affects other people too because we all share the road.

      • Makes it more dangerous to drive a smaller car.
      • Harder to get into carparks squished between 2 giant SUVs.
      • Harder to get out the door of your car once you're in your parking spot.
      • Harder to see traffic in front of you.

      The list probably goes on.

      • +9

        This is by far the absolute worst.

        "Harder to see traffic in front of you"

        I drive in a relatively low car, at night, lights are beaming through from the really tall utes

        And during the day, I can't see anything beyond the massive SUV / Ute in front of me. Best part, all 2-3 or 4 lanes are filled with SUVs driving under the speed limit, Hahahahahaha.

        Fml, this shit hs become a phenomenon without it ever needing to be.

        • +8

          Or when you're turning at a stop/give way and someone pulls up beside you in an SUV/ute, completely blocking your visibility of oncoming traffic. All you can see is the side of their car door. So you have to wait until all the giant cars have gone or someone is kind enough to stay back a bit further so you can see past their bonnet.
          All while someone in a Ranger is sitting up your ass honking because he has a clear view of the entire suburb and can't understand why you don't want to pull blindly into traffic.

      • +1

        No doubt they drive a Ram.

      • Makes it more dangerous to drive a smaller car.

        It's like you're trying to convince me to buy a suv or ute.

        • ^^^ This is a big part of it.
          In order to get visibility and to not die in crashes - now everyone needs to get a bigger vehicle.

  • +1

    The bigger and heavier they are the less fuel efficient they are, the more damage they do to the roads and the more dangerous they are to other cars around them etc.

    I don't mind SUVs because they tend to be safer in a crash, and you get a nice perspective sitting higher. Plus they're great for picking up 2nd hand furniture. You can get small/medium SUVs that aren't really much bigger/heavier than a normal car.

    I just don't understand why so many bogans drive black ones. Not only is black a fairly ugly colour for an SUV (although this is subjective), but black cars get up to 15 degrees hotter in the sun.

    Say your air conditioning dies when you're out at Mt Isa on a summer afternoon, looking for a river to drive through to test your pointless snorkel that you've had sitting on the side of your windscreen for 4 years without using it once. You will probably die of heatstroke before you even find that river.

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