A frequent traffic offender

tomleonhart on 25/02/2014 - 08:59
Last edited 26/02/2014 - 09:12

Hi all,

So driving in Sydney is hectic, and it's even worse when there are people who ignore the traffic rules to their advantage.

Recently I've noticed that every time I stop on Kent street near Mascot, there are two lanes and the left lane is a "must turn left lane", go straight and right turn are on the right lane.

There is a huge number of traffic coming down Canal Road to turn left into Coward Street through Kent Street hence the left lane is dedicated to left turn vehicle only. There is always a guy who will drive on the "must turn left lane" and stop at the green left turn traffic light blocking traffic all the way; just so he can go straight and skip the traffic on the right. And yes, there are a lot of honking but he doesn't seem to care.

The first couple of times I thought the driver was just not familiar with the area. But counting in today, I've seen the same guy with the same car doing the same thing every morning.

What should I do to report this guy? OR we just have to put up with him?

Updated: Called Police Assistance Line and they said in these cases, you have to report to the local police station in person. They don't to it over the phone, so it seems we just have to put up with him.

Automotive

Comments

  • mskeggs on 25/02/2014 - 09:07
    +22

    rocket launcher?

    • tomleonhart on 25/02/2014 - 09:22
      +49

      Will buy it when it's on Ozbargain.

  • Davo1111 on 25/02/2014 - 09:16
    +1

    reporting him probably wont do anything. Hopefully the police will catch up with him some day.

    • p1 ama on 25/02/2014 - 09:16
      -4

      Even if they do, he'll just say he was accidentally in the wrong lane and they can't really do much else.

      • ItsMeAgro on 25/02/2014 - 22:25
        +11

        Going straight from a left-turn-only lane IS illegal. If you accidentally get in the left-turn-only lane, you turn left like everyone else, or you can get fined.

      • georgedn on 27/02/2014 - 09:59
        +3

        Traffic offences are strict liability offences, meaning that it doesn't matter your intention when you broke the rule.

    • onlyletters on 25/02/2014 - 22:59

      make the police aware and they will be there waiting for him..

  • p1 ama on 25/02/2014 - 09:16
    -8

    You can't really report him. I doubt anybody would care and unless he's breaking a law, there's not much anybody can do about it. This is like people who rat-run and clog up local streets so they can avoid jammed intersections, just nuisances really.

    • strangeloops66 on 25/02/2014 - 10:48
      +11

      Disobeying a traffic sign is breaking the law, at least in Queensland.

      • Cheeper on 25/02/2014 - 10:53
        +5

        It is in every state but no one cares these days.

      • p1 ama on 25/02/2014 - 12:05

        Of course, but who doesn't end up in the wrong lane from time to time? Sure, he might get caught one day, but he could easily just say he was mistakenly in the wrong lane and the cops will probably just let him off without even thinking twice.

        • ItsMeAgro on 25/02/2014 - 22:23
          +5

          What? Of course not.

          Going straight from a left-turn-only lane IS illegal. If you accidentally get in the left-turn-only lane, you turn left like everyone else, or you can get fined.

        • Tal_Shiar on 26/02/2014 - 03:39
          +2

          The penalty isn't in question here, the likelihood of being caught and punished is…jeez

        • Lucky13 on 27/02/2014 - 13:50

          Who doesnt end up in the wrong lane from time to time?? Yeah and then you turn left like everyone else otherwise you will get a fine and if thats not enough to turn you off how about the reason why its in place the loss of human life yours or some unlucky person on the road because trust me if this guy is doing this every morning chances are something bad will happen to someone soon. Road rules arent a joke. You dont abide by them someone will pay eventually and hopefully not with their life. I passed a guy recently in the morning lying in the middle of the intersection his legs still around his bike and he looked like he was sleeping. Still wonder if he may have been worse off. And this is what happens when road rules r not followed. Kind of serious really guess that guy in the mornings just doesnt get it yet

  • berger on 25/02/2014 - 10:05
    +11

    If you dob in a hoon, it's the 2nd time action will be taken. I'd report him, or even film him. Jerks like them piss me off. Especially coming over the Bolte Bridge in Melbourne.. Middle lane takes you to the tunnel. And can bank up 2-3km… People cut in at last second

    • humdingaling on 25/02/2014 - 11:23
      +1

      make sure you are not driving while filming or else you may chop a fine

      • jzdhgkd on 26/02/2014 - 18:25
        +3

        These days every man and his dog seem to have a gopro, so you can legally do both!

        • cwongtech on 03/03/2014 - 13:28

          Nice youtube link: it's like a virtual ride on a dog!
          What's with all the comments on that video though: Hey I've got a youtube channel come subscribe

    • altomic on 25/02/2014 - 11:52
      +5

      i hate those line jumpers. their cars should be impounded and crushed like hoons cars

      • vicerum on 25/02/2014 - 15:53
        -7

        Why, what law are they breaking by merging into your lane?

        • Rel63 on 25/02/2014 - 21:38
          +4

          TRAFFIC SIGNS & ROAD MARKINGS

          Disobey left turn only sign Fine of $236 Demerit Points 2 Road Rules 2008 Rule 88 (1)

          as shown here:

          http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/index.cgi?fuseaction=demer…

          This may have changed but it is still an offense to drive against road markings.

          It is not so much the merging but the holding up traffic that actually wants to turn left as the signage directs.

        • tomleonhart on 25/02/2014 - 21:42

          thx. Now trouble is to find someone to issue the fine. Sadly… that's the hard part.

        • Miss Dior on 26/02/2014 - 20:07

          Clearly vicerum got their licence in a lottery if they don't know this is illegal - and dangerous to cause traffic to brake sharply behind them. One day the driver may get what they deserve, a hit that pushes them into the intersection. The sad part is an innocent driver will suffer in the process.

    • Linkwick on 25/02/2014 - 11:52
      +1

      It's just as frustrating if you're NOT in that lane too - some moron suddenly stops 'cos they're trying to push their way in, and you nearly run up them from behind when you're using the correct lane for turning off!!

      They need concrete bollards for the Bolte (even if just for the morning traffic). I don't care how impractical that is!! :-p

      • altomic on 25/02/2014 - 12:12
        +5

        They need concrete bollards for the Bolte

        they need laser guided machine guns

        • Rel63 on 25/02/2014 - 21:43
          +2

          I left Melbourne as i was fed up driving through all that traffic, don't miss it one bit.

          I do miss Melbourne though and am feeling like moving to Qld 6yrs ago was rather poor timing - I do live and work on an Island with a 4 km commute so life's not too bad.

          Maybe a sniper on the Cheesestick could thin out the crowd way before it get anywhere near the Bolte…lol

      • tonka on 25/02/2014 - 18:36
        +8

        Studies say it is these guys causing the traffic by causing the flowing traffic to brake and the follow on effects when everyone behind has to as well.

    • Miss Dior on 26/02/2014 - 20:03
      +3

      Use one of those cameras in your car that film where you are going, the sort that you use to show insurance companies in the case of an accident. Alternatively go early and stand on the curb to film. Then there is always youtube, a great way to embarrass a hoon. Not sure what youtube's rules are though.
      So many people think they are entitled these days, and they put everyone else on the road at risk. Even small accidents can lead to permanent neck injuries.

  • pax on 25/02/2014 - 10:16
    +4

    Maybe filming them, each time they do it, so they know you are filming them will change their behaviour.

    The fear of being reported to authorities with evidence of multiple infringements will cause a behavioural change.

    If not, you've got lots of evidence to go to the police with, so they might sit there and catch them in the act.

    Pax

    • leonheart1 on 25/02/2014 - 19:51
      +3

      Using your phone to record while driving is also dangerous. Maybe set up a dashcam or get someone to film it.

      • Speckled Jim on 26/02/2014 - 10:57
        +1

        +1 you two. Dash cam is the best idea IMO .

        • lookalive on 27/02/2014 - 11:14

          Dash cam is the best idea IMO . <

          Not just an ordinary dash cam, a dash cam with back-of-the-head recognition technology lol

        • Speckled Jim on 28/02/2014 - 11:25

          Swivelling.
          Not just for your hips any more.

  • QW3RTY on 25/02/2014 - 10:29
    +20

    I decided to strike back on Friday.
    Similar thing happens on Kent Street and Margaret Street, getting onto the harbour bridge.
    There are two lanes, one for turning right up Margaret and one following Kent on to get to the bridge turnoff.
    There are always the same types of people that try and jump the long queue.
    So when I got caught by the light, I decided to straddle the lane to stop this bloke in a sports car jumping the queue. He was so angry. I just played stupid.

    Reporting might not do much, but getting your own back through passive aggressive idiocy sure made my Friday night. :)

    • pax on 25/02/2014 - 10:37
      +7

      Ahh passive aggressive action… CAN be a wonderful thing.

      • strangeloops66 on 25/02/2014 - 10:56
        +1

        Says a man whose name means "peace" ;-)

        • pax on 25/02/2014 - 11:00

          pax in semitis

        • tonyjzx on 25/02/2014 - 15:43
          +2

          to live in peace, you must prepare for war

          driving in traffic is full of activites that are unpleasent

          there is no solution, live it with

          there are minor victories along the way like blocking people off but thats it

    • MATTDAMON on 27/02/2014 - 13:18

      Well what id do is match him in acceleration, give him an option, either run up the gutter or brake hard in the middle of the intersection.

  • Cheeper on 25/02/2014 - 10:51
    +1

    Usually that sort of situation is just someone not familiar with the area but as this guy is a repeat offender it sounds like you are right… he is doing it on purpose to get ahead of the traffic.
    Nothing you can do… If you recorded it and sent it to the police they would not be interested.
    There are a lot of pig headed drivers on the road these days and it will only get worse… :-(

    • strangeloops66 on 25/02/2014 - 10:57
      +1

      Substitute "dick" for "pig".

  • scrimshaw on 25/02/2014 - 12:55
    +6

    What about a dashcam? Buy a cheap one that's good enough to take 720p and then upload it on Youtube for the world to see.

    • _Bruce_ on 25/02/2014 - 15:53
      -5

      Just be careful doing this without filtering out the number plates. I am not a lawyer, but I understand there are issue here and you don't want to get in trouble yourself.

      • tonyjzx on 25/02/2014 - 16:04
        +10

        there is no issue

        there is no right to anonymity when your plates are there for the whole world to see and video tape as one likes

        • Risser on 25/02/2014 - 21:55
          +1

          From my limited knowledge. As long as one of the parties knows they are being recorded, it is acceptable, unless it's an officer.

        • _Bruce_ on 26/02/2014 - 07:02
          -1

          Risser: Sure, but that clearly wouldn't be the case here. I don't understand how so many people (going by +/-) seem to be so confident over what is actually a complicated legal issue.

        • lookalive on 26/02/2014 - 12:42
          +5

          I don't understand how so many people (going by +/-)<

          Karma much, lol, you love to neg other people for the fun of it.

          And it's pretty simple really, you don't know what you're on about, you shouldn't be giving misleading information like that. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand that.

          I can't follow what you're saying, first you mention blurring out number plates, then you mention blurring out people's faces, which is it?

          It's a good thing you're not a lawyer. Perhaps you should try book writing, e.g. The World According to Bruce.

        • tonyjzx on 26/02/2014 - 15:34

          its not a complicated issue at all

          youtube has plenty of footage with plates

          you may ask youtube to take down the video but they may ask proof that you are the who owns the plates

          maybe you can get the details of that channel and sue the person

          good luck with that

        • _Bruce_ on 26/02/2014 - 15:49
          -2

          Is your argument that there are no legal issues, or just that it would be hard for something to do something about it? These are not the same.

        • lookalive on 26/02/2014 - 16:35

          something to do something<

          Something can't do something, unless it's someone doing something to someone else!

          See how I didn't change anything! lol!

          I'm sure Youtube will start introducing new rules to uploading:

          Due to a recent complaint by someone in Australia - please ensure you blank out everyone and everything that may identify person(s) in your video, otherwise you may be prosecuted under your local law.

        • Serapis on 26/02/2014 - 18:55

          No point arguing over this, for more accurate info possibly seek legal advice.

          Most they can do is have Youtube remove the video anyway so not really worth arguing about. Hard to prove any defamation of character on just a number plate as you can't really substantiate damages for it. If it was a car with company logos on it… that's another story =P

          *Edit: Office of the Australian Information Commissioner may not deal with this and does not seem like they would be willing to advise on private disputes.

        • ptrubs on 26/02/2014 - 23:20

          if you're not a lawyer, why spout a legal opinion you don't know to be correct. a 10 second search shows me you can film anyone you like in public
          http://www.artslaw.com.au/legal/frequently-asked-questions/#…

          mind you, imagine what I would find if I spent a whole minute searching for the answer?

        • 01011010 on 27/02/2014 - 09:08

          film 'driving to work' - accidentally get his number plate in the video.. :)

    • Speckled Jim on 26/02/2014 - 10:40
      -1

      Take footage to police station in support of your statement. They need to see the plates.
      But Youtube? Aside from possble legal issues, it's a bit of a weak video for that. Not enough action!
      Some guy stationary in his car is not very exciting. It would need great commentary.

      • lookalive on 26/02/2014 - 14:42
        -3

        Take footage to police station in support of your statement. They need to see the plates.<

        Ummm no, they need to see the person committing the act, not just the plates. It's not that easy to prosecute people, maybe in your fantasy world it is.

        But Youtube? Aside from possble legal issues, it's a bit of a weak video for that. Not enough action!<

        You love strong videos with a lot of action. Popcorn much.

        Some guy stationary in his car is not very exciting. It would need great commentary.<
        Right, you prefer to watch pornos then, good for you, just don't tell the world.

        Provide me with great commentary please, not boring ones.

        • Speckled Jim on 26/02/2014 - 22:08

          Ummm no, they need to see the person committing the act, not just the plates. It's not that easy to prosecute people, maybe in your fantasy world it is.

          Well I dunno Einstein. Someone is using the car to go from point A to B. It's easy for Police because unlike you, they know what questions to ask. So what if you can't see their face?
          Maybe get a HD cam? You'll see the back of their head at least.
          Which you'd be well familiar with.

        • lookalive on 27/02/2014 - 10:57
          -2

          Well I dunno Einstein<

          Thanks Kerry-Anne Kennel, it appears you don't know when enough is enough

          Someone is using the car to go from point A to B.<

          Well, they don't use their car to go pron surfing, the last time I checked.

          It's easy for Police because unlike you, they know what questions to ask <

          Yeah, I have problems with knowing what questions to ask, you can find me s-s-s-tutt-t-t-erring even when I'm typing. You got me their evil genius.

          So what if you can't see their face? <
          Because (now here's the Einstein in me coming out) a number plate doesn't automatically mean the owner of the vehicle is the occupant of the vehicle on the day and time of the offense, you must provide evidence, (and I don't mean cut out pictures, which I know you love doing when you bring home Women's Weekly), there are quite a few stories of MP's committing a driving offense then claiming it wasn't them in the vehicle at the time of the offence.

          You'll see the back of their head at least. <

          has technology advanced overnight? I didn't know you could identify someone just by looking at the back of their head? you are indeed a genius, make sure you patent this technology, who needs implanted chips when you have back-of-the-head recognition technology lol

        • Speckled Jim on 27/02/2014 - 23:32
          -1

          Aww I'll make it easy for you. Read s-l-o-w-l-y ok?

          1. Driver in question uses the same car each morning.

          2. Car is driven by same driver each morning.

          3. Driver is most likely using their car to go to work. Or home if they're on night shift.

          4. Police can make enquiries such as:
            a. Name and address of registered owner,
            b. workplace address of owner,
            c. whether that workplace, home address and/or registered owner is linked to the intersection of alleged offence. They look at the route most likely to be taken on a morning commute. They're not likely to waste time and petrol taking the meandering scenic route during peak hour.

          5. Compare back of head to person of interest. If a man is in the footage but a woman is the registered owner, they might determine it's his wife. Or if it's a business rego, maybe his boss or fleet manager.

          That's what they do. Get it?

        • lookalive on 28/02/2014 - 10:39
          -3

          Aww I'll make it easy for you. Read s-l-o-w-l-y ok? <

          Thanks mummy

          1.Driver in question uses the same car each morning. <

          Not really, you don't have any friends to lend you a car? awww, you POOR thing lol

          2.Car is driven by same driver each morning. <

          Sh$t Sherlock, no criminal can get past you, you must wear the same undies everyday

          3.Driver is most likely using their car to go to work. Or home if they're on night shift. <

          well duh, unless that driver is playing GTA IV. It still doesn't automatically mean it's the owner of the vehicle

          4.Police can make enquiries such as:
          a. Name and address of registered owner,
          b. workplace address of owner,
          c. whether that workplace, home address and/or registered owner is linked to the intersection of alleged offence. They look at the route most likely to be taken on a morning commute. They're not likely to waste time and petrol taking the meandering scenic route during peak hour. <

          Pfft, complete and utter rubbish, you're assuming the offence warrants a police force to go after this one offender lol, sounds like you're assuming your hard earned tax money is being put to good use, maybe in your strange world.

          5.Compare back of head to person of interest. If a man is in the footage but a woman is the registered owner, they might determine it's his wife. Or if it's a business rego, maybe his boss or fleet manager. <

          Are you for real? I was only joking about the back-of-the-head recognition, but you fell for it, hook, line and sinker. Unless this is a murder case, I seriously don't think police would sit down and waste an inordinate amount of time trying to figure out who's bloody head that is. Seriously, stop, you're killing me. LOL

          That's what they do. Get it? <

          Oh, I get it alright, I'm talking with a child. Stop it please. ROFLMAO.

        • Speckled Jim on 28/02/2014 - 11:22

          Providing video evidence of an infringement as part of a signed formal statement should be followed up to some degree. They might not bother if it's a minor traffic offense.

          If the guy caused a serious accident or disturbance they'll investigate. For example, if he was launching IWBMs (improvised water bottle missiles) at randoms.

        • goosegog on 28/02/2014 - 13:44

          What a load of gobbledy gook you have tried to put on us intelligent users of Oz Bargain. Trying to decipher your general lack of knowledge & misunderstanding of the original question should amaze me - but unfortunately doesn't as your lack of command of the English language along with the rudeness & expletives used in computer talk says it all. Maturity hopefully will serve you well.

        • goosegog on 28/02/2014 - 15:11

          My reply to you is underneath the one sent inadvertently to mcmonte.

        • lookalive on 28/02/2014 - 18:45
          -2

          What a load of gobbledy gook <

          Which is pretty much what I summed up when I read your reply to me? or was it to your bosom buddy?

          intelligent users <

          You're not referring to yourself are you? come on, who are you kidding?

          Trying to decipher your general lack of knowledge & misunderstanding of the original question should amaze me <

          Trying to decipher? what are you, 5? Obviously you came very late to the table roll eyes. Doesn't take much to amaze you :) Lack of knowledge? of what? instead of finger pointing and bad mouthing, how about demonstrating? You sound like mcmonte's best friend, awwww, love the comradery, is my engliss good? lol

          but unfortunately doesn't as your lack of command of the English language along with the rudeness <

          Really? you should rid yourself of the internet then because there are many ESL people out there, you might get a migraine reading what we type.

          Rudeness? would you have me address mcmonte as Sir mcmonte? lol

          Expletives used in computer talk <

          where did I swear? imagining things are we? you haven't taken your medicine today have you? your lack of understanding of the situation beggars belief, and you coming in to the defence of one person over another when you don't know what's going on shows you're a ….. whoa, close one eh? lack of maturity hmmmm, you got me there haha

          My reply to you is underneath the one sent inadvertently to mcmonte. <

          I figured that, oh gracious one. Inadvertently? did you inadvertently sent naked pictures of yourself to mcmonte too? instead of me? ewwww.

          Maturity hopefully will serve you well. <

          Yes mummy dearest, it will, because I know anger will get the better of me one day, but hey, I'm only immature to bad people, you're not a bad person are you? Let's hope not, at least I know now who's been negging me, not I give a rat's, the immature ones are the ones who pay attention to + or - votes, except when it comes to bargain stuff.

        • lookalive on 28/02/2014 - 19:09

          mcmonte - Even if you provide video evidence and a statement, police won't follow it up, because you need to prove beyond reasonable doubt, who the driver was on the date and time of the offence. Let's say you recorded the evidence, then you followed the person to their residence (and I don't suggest anyone do this at all) and happen to capture their face, all in one unedited video, then undoubtedly you have a case on your hand. But at the end of the day, who's to say that that fine will deter the driver from doing it again? Some people just don't care, and what if the police required you to be the witness in the court case, are you willing to do it?

          I agree with your second statement. Of course, if there was an accident, and you recorded it all on video, the police have due diligence to investigate, with your video evidence, and hey, the offending driver is still in the vehicle, so there is no doubt whatsoever as to who the driver was.

          I'm all for dashcams because I don't want my insurance company or the other person's insurance company to reject my claim for compensation when it wasn't my fault. That is, amongst other things, what a dashcam should be used for, but if you use it for vigilante purpose, don't be surprise if the offending driver turns around and pursues you, evidence is only good if you're still alive to hand it over.

          IWBMs (improvised water bottle missiles) at randoms. <

          That's a good one, as long as it's not an IABM (Improvised Acid Bottle Missile).

        • goosegog on 28/02/2014 - 19:54

          Yes, my Dear - I am probably old enough to be your Mother- However am thankful not to be.
          Your attitude is appalling & rude. Why do you have so much anger in you?- What has happened in your life to cause it? I truly hope you can overcome whatever situations are causing these negative attitudes to affect your ongoing.

        • Speckled Jim on 28/02/2014 - 20:33
          +1

          Mr. Lookalive had a bad experience in the southwest of Sydney.

          I was critical of his consistent (and I felt unnecessary) racial stereotyping. To me, that story was sad on many levels. On the one hand I wanted to sympathise with Lookalive. On the other, it came across a bit whiffy for a Sydney resident. If he was from country Tasmania (rural anywhere for that matter) I'd understand.
          But I grew up in Sydney and still visit regularly, so I know it well.

          I could have been really nasty and walked the tightrope of Mod intervention myself, but thought better of it.

          Alternative jibes included:
          1. His grandma lives in the area. She has better coping mechanisms with "the locals" than he?
          2. His family was attacked. He wasn't man enough to direct them into the dwelling and give chase? Even a half-arsed chase?
          3. Middle-eastern could have been replaced with "locals" or any number of alternative adjectives. But it was less an account of traffic offenders (the topic at hand) and more one of urban decay.
          4. Finally, a one-sided story. You have to wonder if he was targeted for a reason. Did he hear a loud, modified Corolla, see it speeding down the road and yell at them? Did he give them a death stare? Was his appearance in some way conspicuous in an area he supposedly knew well? We don't know.

          Storm in a teacup at the end of the day.

        • Speckled Jim on 28/02/2014 - 20:48

          Have a read of both pages if you have the time.

          While not guaranteeing anything on the part of NSW Police, the general concensus here is "dashcam it".
          And bikies.

          Backpaqer posted this example and while the situation differs slightly, can we see the driver of the Silvia?
          Of course not. And yet the Police looked into that one.

          Obstructing traffic and/or disobeying a traffic signal is what the OP is griping about here. I failed my first driving test for obstructing. Stopped at an intersection waiting to turn right, but I stayed behind the stop line. I should have crossed it during the green signal and waited (if necessary) until oncoming traffic slowed to stop.
          I didn't, but in my defence I didn't know.

          So while it's not as bad as an undertaking speeder, obstructing does affect the smooth flow of traffic. If you can ever call Sydney peak-hour "smooth".

        • lookalive on 28/02/2014 - 22:38
          -1

          My attitude is appalling because you caught me at my worst. What do you expect? when you come dashing in and ridiculing me. Imagine a flaming war (heaven forbid) between two people, then you come in and, instead of saying "stop you two", (like Serapis' comment) you tell one person to stop being rude and, effectively, grow up. In the real world, you wouldn't get away with telling someone (in public) to behave themselves, because let's face it, you're not the boss of me, right?

          Why do I have so much anger in me? well, let's just say, I give as good as I get. I don't take it lying down. Bullied childhood? maybe. Apart from revealing my less-than-perfect childhood, and other BS I've gone through, it may require an autobiography to tell you how my anger has enveloped me in every way imaginable. I wish it wasn't so, but hey, my daughter is changing me slowly, baby steps. My motto is simple, treat me equally. I used to say, treat others how you want to be treated, but I've recently put that to bed because it's a one way affair, and it's hard/impossible to expect reciprocation.

        • lookalive on 01/03/2014 - 00:07
          -2

          McMonte,

          Sydney is quite big, and you should know that if you use to live here. If you live in, say, Cabramatta, it's very rare to have been taunted, teased or in my case, assaulted, by middle eastern people. I spoke to an Asian bloke (living in cabra) at a party once, and couldn't help responding to his rant about what he'd experienced driving through Lakemba. That's why I did specifically mention that unless you live around that area you would never comprehend what I'm on about.

          I believe in freedom of speech/information because without it, we'd think the world outside is perfect. The news has often (not always) mention the race involved where it can, without worrying about racism claims. The police have formed a Middle Eastern Crime Gang task force, can we call them racist too? perhaps they should rename it to Immigrant Crime Gang? Stereotyping is usually associated with a person labelling/judging another group/race, but if you read my post again, you would see that I was referring to the people committing the traffic offences, I didn't say "oh, I hate middle eastern people because….", I simply said what I saw, you can certainly digest it however you like, you did notice there were people who supported my claim, and as stated, I wasn't trying to be racist, my intention was never to be racist, it so happens that these offenders were of that race. And the boys who threw their toy, I mean weapons of mass destruction, I mean, water bottle, also happened to be of middle eastern appearance, I make these statements without fear of prejudice, because quite simply, they are true events. Ignorance is fuelled by fear, don't let it be the other way around. I want others to know that we do have pockets of culture clashes.

          If you use mod intervention, it wouldn't have made any real difference, they would have just marked our comments as off-topic, and if I was to be banned, then so be it, I was an ozbargain lurker for 6+ years before deciding to join.

          1. My grandma is 87 years old, she leaves her doors unlocked all the time, even when she sleeps, she doesn't care that there is a culture clash outside her door. She yelled at me when I hopped in my car and drove off to find the sobs, but after a couple of turns I lost them

          2. Oh I was man enough alright, I did give chase, I omitted that information because I knew there'd be do-gooders telling me off for driving like a maniac with a baby on-board, see what I mean? always someone who disagrees with anything I do/write/type lol. It's been 3 years since the events took place, and I haven't forgotten it, in fact, I punch 1mm thick steel shelving walls (now and then) at work wishing that I caught the …….

          3. Well technically it was a traffic offense, under the Crimes Act 1900 - Section 49a - Throwing rocks and other objects at vehicles and vessels; and as stated, happened to be from a specific race, sorry, but true. Culture clash/urban decay? yes only if that was my house, but I was just a visitor at my grandma's place, so it's more of a random attack, would they have done the same to their own race? I doubt that very much.

          4. One sided story? you didn't see the comment of others that lived in the bankstown area?
            Targeted for a reason? no, I'm just a visitor to my grandmother's place, I didn't live in the area. Whatever the reason I was attacked, it was unprovoked.
            Did I hear a loud modified corolla? no, it was unmodified, remember, I was putting my baby in the baby seat (in a hatchback), so I couldn't hear much going on outside.

          Was it speeding? I don't think so, and I honestly don't think they used their hand to throw the bottle, it was very likely that they used some sort of apparatus such as a slingshot, because it would be near impossible to have enough arm movement inside a vehicle to eject at such a velocity (fast enough to smash through the brake lights) and the top of the bottle hit directly into the car, which would indicate a slingshot propulsion rather than hand thrown, the bottle was full of water, so maximum carnage, if it had hit my grandma on any part of her body, I can assure you she'd be dead already, and I would never have found the murderer.

          Did I give them a death stare? I have a child now, when I was single, different story. I don't have a death wish though, if they were much bigger than me, sure, they could stare me down any day, I'd just ignore them.

          Well, now you know that I was neither provoking, nor antagonising to anyone or any thing on that day.

          Storm in a teacup?
          If someone was seriously injured or killed that day, it would've been a manhunt.

        • lookalive on 01/03/2014 - 00:59

          with regards to the video from backpaqer, that was amazing that the camera was able to capture the license plate from a fast moving vehicle, I wonder if dash cams from ebay HK can do the same? or maybe that was a gopro camera, amazing cameras.

          I was stirring you up about dashcam and insufficient evidence to prove offender, of course, you can use it as evidence, possession is 9/10ths of the law, so as long as you've got the license plate, the owner of vehicle is effectively the offender, no ifs and buts about it, unless he/she can prove otherwise, not the other way around.

          With regards to you failing your first driving test, I made the same mistake too, albeit not at an intersection, I was exiting RTA and joining traffic, but took too long and he failed me on that alone, can't remember the actual reason, but I think it was ridiculous to fail me because of that, I waited until it was absolutely safe, he didn't like it, maybe he's use to cutting off traffic?

        • goosegog on 01/03/2014 - 13:13

          Lookalive,
          Good luck for the future & pleased for you that you are trying to contain the anger - especially with having your daughter.

        • Speckled Jim on 01/03/2014 - 14:35

          TL;DR

          Kidding.

          First off:

          If you use mod intervention, it wouldn't have made any real difference, they would have just marked our comments as off-topic, and if I was to be banned, then so be it, I was an ozbargain lurker for 6+ years before deciding to join.

          When I wrote "walk the tightrope of Mod intervention", I was not posing as a Mod or talking about reporting anything to a Mod. I was referring to letting my words earn me censure by a Mod. Like getting way off topic, being abusive etc. I don't like to go there, it demeans the participants and everyone who bothers to read it.

          A Mod did collapse it though, which is a rung above removal. They deemed your post off-topic but okay, NSW traffic laws may well deal with that incident. If a vehicle is modified with a projectile launching device, it will arouse the attention of other branches and agencies too (RTA, AFP etc).
          But you omitted that. I pictured a guy hanging out of a window to throw it.

          The media has covered Sydney's racial tensions quite a bit over the years. Do you really believe "colouring the picture in" as you have, for people not familiar with the area, as you claim, really adds anything to the story? It may well be factual, but most OzB members aren't serving Police officers, so that level of detail is self-serving only. If you have an axe to grind against such people, fine. You're free to express it here, but expect a response.
          As another person indicated, "teens" would have sufficed.

          As I wrote, the OP didn't mention race. If they wanted to perpetuate a stereotype, they could have taken that gamble. But they also didn't include the make/model of the offending car. Such inclusion may have started a class-war argument, (Bloody Merc drivers think they can get away with anything!) or perhaps a car marque superiority one.

          So you did gave chase?
          That detail was also absent from your first account. If you could quick-release the baby capsule (or whatever) and leave her with mum, then take off it would be ideal. Doing so with baby-on-board won't earn scorn from me, as I mentioned half-arsed chase for that very reason. The idea being, just get close enough to see the plates, stop and call the cops.

          My storm in a teacup reference was not to the incident, but to our exchanges here. We're both adults and we move on.

          Finally, I'm sincerely glad you and your family got through that with only a broken tail light. It was mindless…vandalism I guess. It could have been so much worse. What amazes me is this: in a decade where we've never had so much to entertain ourselves (especially youth) they still get up to this kind of pointless shit.
          It's depressing.

        • lookalive on 01/03/2014 - 20:05
          -1

          I learn something new everyday…TLDR lol, will come in handy some day.

          To be honest with you, I was surprised to see a few people agreeing to my comment, and even confirming it with their own recount. At the end of the day, I may not change everyone's perception, but I feel that at least I'm not the only one who has suffered, there are many more stories like mine. I always expect a response when I say something of that nature, I know that and I'm ready for it because I believe there is nothing to hide or sugar coat, it is what it is. We have enclaves, some good, some bad.

          Participating in forums has its pros and cons, one good thing is that you get to remain anonymous, one bad thing is that what you say may be misconstrued by others, because unlike talking in person, there is a lack of facial expression and other sensory items that we used to determine the seriousness or mindlessness of a response. My first perception when you said storm in a teacup was, in fact, referring to our nonsensical bickering and that you were implying the saying let bygones be bygones. But then, seeing how it followed after your four points of assertion, I thought you meant…pfft, he had a bottle thrown at him, big whoop.

          The problem is not the abundance of ways to entertain to (hopefully) prevent juveniles from starting trouble and running amuck, it's much more to do parenting. Parents are the only role models for their kids, what you say, how you treat others, what you do when others mistreat you, is all reflected onto your kids, they learn from the parents. A friend of mine said that when he picked up his son at day care, he noticed his son had a black eye, his son was only 4 at the time, he asked his son who'd punched him, the son pointed his finger at the …… boy (can't mention race), so from that you can imagine what horrible things the parents of that boy must be teaching him to do that much damage to another toddler (of another race). One time, I was driving home with that same friend as a passenger, I was waiting to turn left on to canterury rd in Belmore, there was car about to turn into my street, but what he really wanted to do was a U-turn, so I waited until the road was clear, he got pissed off at me because he (apparently) waited too long, and started cursing in his own language, gave me a death stare and shouted "hurry up", I then turned left, and he followed me and started yelling abuse and even spat at my car, just one man only, against my friend and I. He was in his mid 50s but full of rage. I can only imagine what his kids (if he had any) would be like.

          Thanks for all your well-wishes, we do what we can to protect ourselves and our families, hopefully with time, scars heal, and lessons are learnt, not just from me, but from all sides. We need to do our bit to make Australia what it is, a great nation, which has opened its arms to those who want to embrace and strengthen it, after all, a great nation is what we make of it, not expect of it.

  • Ughhh on 25/02/2014 - 19:48
    +12

    Follow him home then spray paint his wheels hot pink.

  • RandomNinja on 25/02/2014 - 21:14
    +1

    Perhaps a name and shame site, complete with uploads of evidence? :) Like https://www.facebook.com/YouParkLikeAnAsshole

  • lookalive on 26/02/2014 - 00:23
    +3

    I used to live in the bankstown area, thank God I don't anymore.

    On three occasions I've seen idiots who make new right turn lanes (blocking everyone behind them) whenever the queue is too long even though there is plenty of room on the right turn only lane. It happened on the hume hwy travelling east bound turning right onto Edgar Street and Boronia Road. I have to move to the left lane if I don't want to be stuck behind them, one guy who was stuck beeped his horn, only to receive the middle finger. I slowed down to check out who the idiot was, they were of middle eastern appearance and even the women did it too. I'm not trying to be racist, it is just what I saw, and if you live around that area you would know what I mean. One time, I visited my grandma in that area, I was putting my baby into the baby seat when out of nowhere I heard an almight bang, looked up and saw two middle eastern teens driving off in their corolla, I went outside to survey the damage, saw a water bottle thrown like a missile into my brake lights, could've hit my grandma, wife or my rear windscreen and shatter glass all over my baby. I can only hope karma gets them in the end.

    lookalive on 26/02/2014 - 00:23 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    • _Bruce_ on 26/02/2014 - 07:04
      +3

      two middle eastern teens

      I'm sure that bit's important, if they weren't middle eastern it would have been fine!

      • Baghern on 26/02/2014 - 10:00
        -1

        The most relevant part is "teens" really. Adding ethnic description just makes people feel rightous

        • vietbargain on 26/02/2014 - 10:16
          +4

          if you lived in bankstown, you'd know the ethnic description is spot on.

        • lookalive on 26/02/2014 - 11:06
          -1

          If you're going to nit-pick, at least get the words right, it's righteous not rightous.

          Really? I don't feel any better though. My daughter, however feels safer though, and that's all that matters, not trolls.

        • fusion17 on 26/02/2014 - 11:10
          +2

          The intersection near punchbowl station is the same.
          The locals stay in the right lane (must turn right)to beat the line then merge left at the last minute with complete disregard for safety and common decency.

          It can get fully hectic. Fully.

        • lookalive on 26/02/2014 - 11:23
          +1

          Yeah, as I stated in my original post, unless you live in the area, you won't understand. They all jump on the racist bandwagon, really? come drive around bankstown for a day or two, yes, it's that bad.

        • Speckled Jim on 26/02/2014 - 11:35

          it's righteous not rightous.

          ESL.

        • lookalive on 26/02/2014 - 11:41

          ESL.

          WTH

      • lookalive on 26/02/2014 - 11:02
        -2

        Well that "bit" is important because no one else of any other ethnicity has thrown a water bottle and endangered my family's life, you just conveniently missed the part where my baby was involved, appreciate the sarcasm though. Maybe if you (one day) post something about a near tragic event, I'd reply and ignore the "important" part and just nit-pick your grammar.

        • _Bruce_ on 26/02/2014 - 11:06
          +1

          no one else has thrown a water bottle and endangered my family's life

          See how I didn't change anything?

          nit-pick your grammar.

          Racism is not grammar.

        • lookalive on 26/02/2014 - 11:18
          -1

          See how I didn't change anything?<
          Huh?

          Racism is not grammar.<
          Nice one, twisting what I'm saying. That doesn't make sense anyway.

          It's not racism when the events did occur. Calling me a racist isn't warranted.

        • Speckled Jim on 26/02/2014 - 11:59
          +1

          Sure, you may not be a racist, but your post was chock-full of racial profiling and stereotyping.

          thank God I don't anymore.

          Establishes you as Christian? Good opening.

          I slowed down to check out who the idiot was, they were of middle eastern appearance and even the women did it too.

          You're saying these women of middle-eastern appearance were aggressive. Be grateful — in some countries, they actually blow themselves up!

          I'm not trying to be racist, it is just what I saw, and if you live around that area you would know what I mean.

          Keep not trying. The OP didn't mention race, so why is it needed in your cool story bro?

          One time, I visited my grandma in that area, I was putting my baby into the baby seat when out of nowhere I heard an almight bang,

          Creative writing much?
          While this may be a true account of events, the use of the words "almight(y) bang" is intended to increase suspense and raise anger in the reader. I'm sure the sound was more likely a "thud".

          looked up and saw two middle eastern teens driving off in their corolla,

          Are you sure? Many Caucasians are olive-skinned (Georgians, Armenians, Azeris etc).

          saw a water bottle thrown like a missile into my brake lights, could've hit my grandma, wife or my rear windscreen and shatter glass all over my baby.

          Here we hit clash-of-cultures paydirt. Like a missile. Aimed at his family. Was it a plastic bottle filled with >gasp< a liquid? Bloody hell! That could have been a Molotov cocktail! Instead of bouncing off your car it woulda 'splode!
          But seriously, it was water or some other non-flammable, right?

          I can only hope karma gets them in the end.

          That or Abbott, hey?

        • lookalive on 26/02/2014 - 12:11
          -3

          Establishes you as Christian? Good opening.
          Religious profiling are we? Establishes, you must work as a detective.

          You're saying these women of middle-eastern appearance were aggressive. Be grateful — in some countries, they actually blow themselves up!
          Be grateful, yes mum

          Keep not trying. The OP didn't mention race, so why is it needed in your cool story bro?
          Bro, you don't look like my brother. Keep trying though, not. Well, to the bankstown area - race is of importance, have you checked the demographics of that area, obviously not.

          Creative writing much?
          While this may be a true account of events, the use of the words "almight(y) bang" is intended to increase suspense and raise anger in the reader. I'm sure the sound was more likely a "thud".
          Drama queen much? sorry, I should've said, drama lady, you are lol

          Are you sure? Many Caucasians are olive-skinned (Georgians, Armenians, Azeris etc).
          Yes, check the demographics, please, before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

          Here we hit clash-of-cultures paydirt. Like a missile. Aimed at his family. Was it a plastic bottle filled with >gasp< a liquid? Bloody hell! That could have been a Molotov cocktail! Instead of bouncing off your car it woulda 'splode!
          But seriously, it was water or some other non-flammable, right?
          Well, if they threw a bottle of acid and scarred my daughter for life, would that make you feel better, I believe it would actually, otherwise you wouldn't have gone to great lengths to type so much, three cheers for you. Remember karma? it's got your name written all over it.

        • lookalive on 26/02/2014 - 12:17
          -1

          That or Abbott, hey?
          Or no one. You must live a blessed life, where no one has hurt you. Please go back to your bubble, just make sure you bring your computer you, don't want to miss our on all the Molotov cocktails and women exploding themselves to seek revenge.

        • Speckled Jim on 26/02/2014 - 22:40

          Amateur.
          Thanks for the lulz :D

        • lookalive on 27/02/2014 - 11:07
          -1

          No worries noob

          Spank you for all the LOLs, and I did laugh, I even recorded it on my back-of-the-head recognition camera.

      • lookalive on 26/02/2014 - 11:37
        -1

        if they weren't middle eastern it would have been fine!

        No, it would not be "fine" if they weren't of middle eastern background, no one should live in fear walking in the streets, standing on the sidewalk or putting their baby into the baby seat. You probably don't have any kids, family or friends, that's why you wouldn't understand.

        • fusion17 on 26/02/2014 - 17:06
          +2

          Just experienced this very thing with an older asian female driver.
          I let her in because I just assumed she's a Sht driver, rather than a sht person.

          Like lookalive, clearly I am racist.

        • lookalive on 26/02/2014 - 17:39

          lol

          Soon, we'll live in fear of using adjectives because it may offend someone.

          You can't use the word "Asian" because you may offend someone from that ethnic group. You can't use "female" because someone may call you sexist, and you can't call her a "driver" because there's many people out there who cannot drive, and I am referring to people with licenses.

  • ThisJustin on 26/02/2014 - 01:24
    +2

    Bikies.

    Are we still doing that?

  • johnno07 on 26/02/2014 - 01:46
    +1

    I'm still lobbying for a rule that allows you to summarily execute shit drivers.

  • billp on 26/02/2014 - 03:52
    +1

    vote left; selfish self centred (clears throat) liberal policies only serve to discourage behaviour that’s for the common good. eg rolling the healthy food website (conflict of interest), allowing financial planners to encourage 'storm' type products (returning to undisclosed trailing commissions), treating 20k desperate people like cattle, but waving thru 200k who arrive on planes (each year)…, giving (imo alot of) nepotistic school principals more 'autonomy' (passing the buck), encouraging contracts over permanent employment, annexing 74k ha from world heritage tasmanian forest listing, dredging abbott point (approved by barrier reef trust, whose directors have conflicts of interest >coal mining), reducing renewables goal of 20% (oh no of course its not definite says dickhed warburton)

    who benefits from all these policy 'initives'. we do - cause we are open (read bent over, cheeks spread) for business, oh how blessed!

    it’s a charade, the silvertails feather their own nests yet carry on with double speak (where robust=agrees with me, balanced & objective=partial & subjective ta fairfax), and budget emergency=remove debt ceiling, give reserve bank $8b buffer & then add it to labors tab. tricksters, self righteous (that bloody driver@mascot), born to rule (i'm better than you, and every woman -yes "I really wanted two" in cabinet (poor sophie)

    oh yeah, stick yer head back in a bucket of sand cause global warming = absolute crap.

    dont get me wrong labor have plenty of faults, as do the greens

    but silverspooned hypocrites really get up my goat.

    but getting angry & lowering yourself to their level is'nt a solution

    standup - standup & be counted!

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