HP SLATE 21-K100 21.5" FHD TOUCH AIO All-in-One Desktop $299 @ DSE 10 JUNE Back again July 24
Could this HP product be a re-badged variation of AOC's A2272PWHT…?
(We tested one of AOC's - also sold, by MSY, for $299 - only to find that it can't run, eg, "TuneIn Radio" [free & Pro]…)
From memory, AOC's unit had various USB ports, including:
Its HDMI port just fit a Google Chromecast (using its extender)
Q: Which of these 2 AIO's offers -better- value? HP's or AOC's?
PS AOC was due to release a 24" version, with faster CPU, etc.
Did they ever do that? If so, price?
TIA.
"The HP Slate 21-k100 All-in-One is the only Android all-in-one that gives you fast access to the most popular apps. Every time you log in, your favorite Android apps, documents, and widgets appear instantly.
Everyone has the best seat in the house for watching videos, sharing slideshows, playing games and more with a 21.5" diagonal Full HD display and wide viewing angles.
Angle the touchscreen to recline so you can comfortably type and swipe when you’re feeling laid-back—it only takes two fingers to pinch and zoom.
This all-in-one also lets you connect to phones, tablets and other Wi-Fi-enabled devices directly with Wi-Fi Direct without even setting up a router,
and share music, photos and files with any Bluetooth device.
And when only a face-to-face conversation will do, the HP TrueVision HD Webcam [720p] keeps you looking your best, even in low light." (reformated slightly for emphasis)
Summary:
. Screen Size 21.5 inches
. Screen Res'n 1920x1080 pixels (max)
. CPU 1.66 GHz Tegra (DIA Tegra T40s Quad-Core)
. RAM 1 GB DDR3
. Hard Drive 8 GB
. Wireless Type 802.11bgn
. USB 2.0 Ports 3
Other Technical Details
. Brand Name HP
. Series Slate
. Item model # k100
. H/W Platform PC
. Op System Android 4.2 (Jelly Bean)
. Item Weight 10.7 pounds
. Item Dimensions L x W x H = 13.92 x 2.63 x 20.90 inches
. Color White
. CPU Brand NVIDIA
. CPU Count 1
. Memory Type DDR3 SDRAM
. Flash Memory 8 GB
. HD Interface USB
For future reference: opinions don't really warrant a neg vote.
I'm glad your opinion doesn't affect our political elections.
Only in AU have I found a voting system where one's votes can be "reDirected" to another party.
Only in AU have I found a bargain community which permits members to "gang-up" on individual voters, ie, to remove a negative vote.
The effects of the first of these (ie, in our actual voting system) is to preclude (even an innovative) small party (unless they have $$$ behind them) from having a direct voice in our parliaments, in favor of the 2 large parties (somewhat analogous to Coles & Woolies in our retail market, but they, at least, do have some small competitors).
The effect of OzB's "small mob power" mechanism is to silent minority opinions, which is IMO anti-demotratic.
It often seems to protect vendors or makers of offered items from feedback that might be useful to other members.
Why is such protection justified in a community?
Vendors & makers could easily create a small, paid team of people to -remove- all comments (from OzB, at least) which could hurt their their bottom-lines.
Removed comments might have given other OzB members useful heads-up, that could save them money or pain from a "wrong" (read: less than optimal) purchase.
Here's an example, in another case of an Android All-in-One:
A comment that this product is "worse" than (some other one) could well be deemed "not to warrant a neg vote"
…and be quickly & quietly "disappeared" by a very small "mob" of vendor-hired "protectors"
…to the disadvantage of other would-be buyers of the "less than optimal" product.
Now, what if this HP is a "re-badged" AOC's Android AIO?
I, for one, would want the comment on its missing capabilities to stay visible, so that early buyers of the HP can test their units.
Letting some "unpopular" comments to remain - especially if short -
should be the norm, here.
And it should take more than 7 neg's to "disappear" a comment, ie, while any comment remains at risk of being "disappeared" on OzB.
My 2.2 cents, only.
"The effects of the first of these (ie, in our actual voting system) is to preclude (even an innovative) small party (unless they have $$$ behind them) from having a direct voice in our parliaments, in favor of the 2 large parties."
Haven't been keeping up with current events in parliament, have you |V|?
In three weeks time, the Motoring Enthusiasts Party - who most definitely should be precluded from allowing their one trick pony to drive our parliament - will effectively assume the balance of power in the Senate;
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-09/ricky-muir-hesitates-b…
Spare us your "mob of vendor-hired protectors" conspiracy theories, and leave the populist, non-sensical rhetoric to the morons of Palmer United and the MEP.
Yes, it was the "Palmerites" that I was thinking of (apparently buying seats, around AU?).
How do you know no one ever organised people to "disappear" comments?
Yes, the Motoring Enthusiats Party's guy seems new to politics and/or to television interviews. He will learn, I trust. (or leave tgo spend more time with family…)
The comedian John Oliver (of "Last Week Tonight") reminded the World via HBO that we have a bozo as Prime Minister… eg:
Funny to watch, for outsiders, but - being representative - disasterous for AU itself.
(To be fair, before our previous PM, she was party to a TV gag announcing that the world would end in 2012).
Neither "main" party can grasp, let alone adopt, safe, green "Energy from Thorium" (ie, Molten Salt Reactors & Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors), but instead waste $$$ to make coal exports go faster from Qld.
Quite frankly, I don't see any other way to get new ideas heard & (some of the good ones) written into laws, than to get new voices into Parliaments… better, if more good -women- would put their hands up.
We have enough testosterone already, leading us to waste millions of $'s, eg, in:
wars (that don't protect us),
lost plane searches (that might have been unnecessary, eg, if our JORN radar had been watching the skies for planes, rather than the seas for boats carrying asylum seekers to safety), &
reducing license fees of our commercial TV broadcasters (was it by $40+ million?), while overcharging our aging Radio Amateurs $72 / year (while the British, Canadians, New Zealanders, Swedes & Americans enjoy costfree, lifetime Amateur Radio licenses)
Mismanagement, harassment in question time, failure to lead, embracing religious bigotry or obsolete ideology… rather than Science.
Get us some new voices in Parliament - until we've got about -half- being strong, smart, caring females - then we'll talk. ;-)
God had Sarah Hanson-Young in mind when he invented both the glass ceiling and women's suffrage…
http://www.shopping.hp.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.static/WFS/HP-Si… Looks like you can use it as a tablet based on this bad photoshop, not bad
Well, it's got a touch panel & can "lean way back" on its support leg to seem to be in a near-parallel-to-desktop tab posture.
But's it's not light enough to work - while walking about - like many tab's are… it has no internal batteries either.
i dont mind the android, i mean its only $299
what i do mind is it seems like theres no hdmi in so you cant switch between a normal windows machine or laptop
what? i dont get it
i hope i'm wrong but i cant seem to find any indication it has hdmi input
Agree that it would be much more useful if the FHD touch screen itself can be used with other computers. Most certainly would prolong the life of the product. 3 years down the track Tegra4 with 1GB RAM and Android 4.2 would be super slow and unsupported, but I can still use one if it can be connected to a PC.
exactly
who knows how long android 4.x will be current? will HP support kit kat?
better off buying a touch IPS screen and getting that to work on an android mini device
Look for its AOC made counterpart.
AOC's AIO can (reportedly) also send touch messages to a Windows box (via a USB cable?), so you get value from its touch panel. I haven't tried this.
That's perhaps why its user manual has about twice as many pages as the HP AIO.
Remember: AOC makes monitors, so many of those pages are on how to use the On-Screen (read: monitor) controls, that most AIO computers lack, I'd bet.
The AOC unit also has a VGA input, beside its HDMI one.
(An on-screen video-source selector menu lists HDMI, VGA & Android.)
AOC's are listed on eBay (as are this HP AIO, at higher prices).
You'd want the AOC's AIO, with HDMI, etc. but it's dual core.
Tried one instore/ average screen and build quality, only 1 usb slot after you plug in the mouse/keyboard.
Good for an older person/ or child who just wants the basics at a cheap price.
Get a USB 2.0 hub or a wireless combo with just 1 USB receiver to fit. QED. ;-)
Or even better, take zero USB ports by using a bluetooth mouse and a bluetooth keyboard. Although that limits you to tiny keyboards. Anyone seen a full-size ergonomic keyboard with bluetooth?
Is this any good when compared to the Nexus 7 or LG G Pad? Other than the bigger size is there any other differences? Also no 3G or LTE?
Loving the idea of using this as a phone!! How many rubber bands will I need for hands free operation??
Place this puppy at a connected youth hostel, eg with:
Make it available for:
. some sort of political campaign, call-in, etc.
I don't know if, eg, MyNetFone's soft phone works on it…?
(In fact, even Skype would need to be tested, first.)
You weren't thinking of shlepping one of these around, were you?
If you were, it wouldn't take much more energy to carry a 3G/4G WiFi device…
Speaking of energy, how were you going to power it, eg, in mobile or portable operation?
Seriously, these AIO's are fine in schools (eg, for little ones, whose hand-eye coordination isn't up to small screen use.
They could also be useful - eg, with an SD card full of product info (until it gets pinched…?) - as an on-site (but off-line) product info device, in a smaller, under-staffer shop or non-profit.
Place it at the desk or window, where folks queue for service.
Clubs & others could use these at shows or promotional events.
Cheap & easy to shlepp from van to exhibiter's table.
Sure, more USB ports, a wired N/W plot, etc.
(AOC's AIO had both HDMI & VGA; 32 GB SD card slot, &
both USB for Ext HD & Micro-USB for OTG adapter/device).
Compare to what we used to get, eg, for $250, in netbook era. ;-)
It has 3 usb ports
They should've put Chrome OS on it, at least chrome would give it a proper desktop user experience.
I've been using a netbook installed with Android X86 for a while now and the user experience is kind of awkward.
Here's my rant:
If you bought this desktop, what would you use it for? Live Office 365 wouldn't work on this since it's not classed as a phone and you'll have to use Android office apps, most of which lacks certain features and polish.
Some apps and games also only run in portrait mode which means you'll get black bars on the side of the screen (assuming some kind of orientation lock is used). E.g Temple Run and WeChat only run in portrait modes.
Mouse and keyboard input also doesn't work for Android games (but Xbox controllers do, and HP should probably have included a wireless controller in the package). Imagine playing a twin stick shooter on a touchscreen that's positioned 80 degree vertical, you'll get gorilla arm syndrome.
Another thing to note that Android isn't very mouse friendly — it doesn't make use of the right and middle mouse buttons, and the mouse merely serves as a substitute for a single point touch.
Common shortcuts that you're used to in Windows, for example, middle click a link to open a new tab, close tab etc. don't work. CTRL Mousewheel up/down to zoom webpages don't work either, since Android only recognizes pinch to zoom as the action, and not keyboard/mouse shortcuts.
Well, yes, you'd have to use Android shortcuts…
But there are very low cost Office-like app's, some of which claim to create / open, eg, Office 2010 (maybe 2013) documents.
AOC's touch panel lets you zoom in/out with 2 finger gestures.
Arrow keys & erase-next character are features I miss - in an Android device without them (only a few phones have these).
Add a keyboard, & I get them back, eg, on an Android AIO.
So, what would an All-in-One cost, eg, from the Windows camp? ;-/
Compared to the screen size $300 buys in a tab, AIO's rule, IMO.
some of which claim to create / open, eg, Office 2010 (maybe 2013) documents.
Many of these apps have rendering issues. I've tried a lot of them. I use Officesuite (paid version), WPS Kingsoft and Polaris office interchangeably. Some do the job fine, others screw up formatting, others don't like complex tables.
Arrow keys & erase-next character are features I mis
CyanogenMod has a setting which allows you to set volume keys as arrow buttons.
Compared to the screen size $300 buys in a tab, AIO's rule, IMO.
A tablet is mobile and can be moved around the house. So can a laptop. You could use it on a couch or while lying in bed. But the AIO needs to be plugged into a power source. Usage scenario is very different.
My point however is that this machine could do so much more if it can dual boot Chrome OS, something that HP completely missed when they designed this product.
There are uses for tab's & other uses for AIO's.
With just 1 GB of RAM, I forgive non-MS office S/W for their limitations, & use Win or Mac versions of the original Word or Excel when I must.
I used the same on Win netbooks, or their Starter versions, and just had to wait longer.
Use a non-Microsoft office tool, output to PDF & let readers call you to request changes. ;-)
i'm still trying to get used to the terms Android and desktop together!
i mean apart from the larger screen how is it like a desktop? you can't change the motherboard, or cpu, or the RAM, or the graphics card like a typical desktop, no internal PCI slots, if you took out "desktop" it would be fine by me
Referring to the desktop experience only. Fifty years ago a desktop was quite literally that. The top of a desk.
Terms are interchangeable as technology and the English language matures which means you need to rely upon context.
haha yeah i guessed it was inbetween the lines!
Fifty years ago a desktop was quite literally that. The top of a desk.
ahh but before the desktop there was the mini computer the size of half a room, but we didn't call them 'minitop' or 'roomtop' pcs! lol
To me, Desktop means:
Comfortable:
+ No weighty tablet to have to hold in the hand
Full-feature:
+ What Word or Excel had was available to you
Keyboard ease:
+ Either-way character deletes; less sliding into neighboring keys; hand-size keyboards, etc.
Powerful CPUs:
+ Eg: an Intel i7 without hand burns (from holding a hot tablet)
. (Try running MatLab on a tab's quad-core CPU)
It's good to have tab's for the field or road, but it's also nice
to use a desktop, in the office, surrounded by colleagues, mostly. ;-)
Apart from the touch screen aspect why do people buy this crap instead of a real pc with better everything?
I haven't seen HP's screen, but AOC's A2272PWHT is terrific!
Imagine a small business owner, who wants to use it to list Specials, or - with a Google Chromecast - display some nice rolling Nature scenes, etc. in a cafe.
Why spend big on something that may be knocked off the table or stolen?
AOI's 2 video inputs makes it dual-use: AIO computer or Full HD monitor for an existing computer (eg, in the shop window, after hours).
Either AIO's Touch Panel could maybe be worked in, eg, for Order Entry, etc.
"I'm cooking, please enter your Order details, & record your 2-digit Order No. at the end."
Yes I see this being applied in retail also but not really practical for the home use imo.
This HP AIO seems to LACK both an HDMI & a VGA inputs, etc.
For ADELAIDE only: Want an AOC AIO A2272PWHT, -with- an HDMI & VGA inputs, etc.?
We have ONE for $399, still sealed (never-opened, in vendor's orig box. Add $50 for ~25 GB of Khan Academy tutorial videos on SD card.
The AOC unit's HDMI works with Google Chromecast, eg, for YouTube videos selected by a nearby Android smartphone or tab, on the same WiFi network. [Maybe read my other comments on AOC, above this PS.]
(Add $11 for delivery to your door within 15 Km of GPO 5000 (Someone needs to sign for delivery, so you'll need to send: street address + contact's name + tel.no.) -OR- meet in CBD; either way, with cash.)
NOTE: Like HP's AIO, AOC's unit does NOT include keybord or mouse.
If anyone is interested, shopping express is selling AOC AIO A2272PWHT for $329 + $12.95 shipping to Adelaide at the moment.
http://www.shoppingexpress.com.au/buy/aoc-21.5-inch-smart-ai…
That's good to know.
Maybe DSE will drop their price on the HP, before EOFY, to compete? Or maybe not. ;-)
(I bought my AOC at MSY's first offering, at -higher- price…
Maybe I should offer to setup the unit, after paid delivery, for just $1.00 more
That might give new-to-computer parents with no home Internet more
confidence to buy mine, eg, with Khan Academy tutorial videos,
since they -don't- require Internet.)
My bad: HP does include both a Keyboard & a Mouse.
FWIW, I like the K'board better than the moouse.
PS Among installed apps is a printing app [for HP printers].
I think you'll also get a [Kingsoft?] Office-like app, too.
HP has an op sys [etc.] disk-image to d'load,
in case you ever need to restore Android, etc.
Ebay 20% off deal sees this at $239.20.
Basic internet kiosk machine that can play fullHd vids and slideshow photos… bargain!
I got one of these at the ebay sale of 299 but I had a voucher to use by June 30th to give me 25% off rather than the 20% off that was going around. Talk about a bargain!
I am so thrilled with this that I just bought another as they are back on sale just a little higher in price at $311 plus 4.95 post - but i am more than happy to hand over a little more. The turn around for post was not bad either for the first one - Sydney in 2 days!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251550951313?ssPageName=STRK:MEWN…
http://www.amazon.com/HP-21-k100-Touchscreen-Desktop-Android…