Seagate Desktop 4TB SATA 6Gb/s NCQ 64MB ST4000DM000 $139.99USD+Shipping Approx $160AUD Delivered

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Click_It on 07/07/2014 - 15:34 amazon.com (172 clicks)
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Same as previous expired deal: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/150815
And same pricing as the WD Green deal a little before that: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/147198

I personally prefer WD, Seagate had notorious fail rates with their 3TB drive I think, but their 4TB is proving a lot better - brand preferences aside this is a good deal, it's lowest price (it's been down there a few times but never lower)

5900rpm (green equiv)

I'm pretty sure it's best to buy in USD and let your CC do the conversion rather than let Amazon do it.

These aren't the NAS version, not that they can't be used in NAS (just check manufacturer first), probably best to look at these as WD Green equivilents, not WD Red (although these should be faster than both WD's)

FYI these start at $179 locally (staticice) not including delivery.

Article which mentions fail rates of Hitachi, Seagate & WD: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2089464/three-year-27-000-dri…

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  Click_It on 07/07/2014 - 15:38

  By the way, maybe someone can help me out here.

  I've just today ordered something else on Amazon for $254 USD. If I add HDDs on to that order, what would the safe amount be with regard to keeping under the $1000 import duties figure? I presume it's not $1000 AUD value not USD?

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    Jack D Price on 07/07/2014 - 15:38

    $1000 AUD to avoid GST

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      Click_It on 07/07/2014 - 15:40

      Thanks Neo, I should be able to add 4 of these drives to that order to reach ~$960 AUD.

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        Elijha on 07/07/2014 - 15:49

        +1

        My understanding is its $100 AUD including any shipping costs. The valuation / conversion is made from the date shipped (i.e. if you order close to the bone on an item that is pre-order / won't ship for a bit you could get stung due to exchange rate fluctuations)

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        eug on 07/07/2014 - 16:13

        +1

        @Elijha:
        Shipping costs are not included in the AUD$1,000 limit.

        But if you do go over the AUD$1,000 limit, shipping costs are included in the amount you'll be taxed on.

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        cwongtech on 07/07/2014 - 23:47

        +1

        @eug: Correct, "Do you need to pay customs and tax" uses the $1000 AUD limit.
        "How much tax and customs you need to pay" is based on the item AND shipping.

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  Jack D Price on 07/07/2014 - 15:38

  would buy if i had money

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  wisc on 07/07/2014 - 16:09

  They gotta drop to 129 before too long as they have dropped this low a few times no…. no?

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    CH on 07/07/2014 - 18:08

    Don't think the bare drives have hit $129 yet, the externals have a few times as I got some in March last year for that.

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  Click_It on 07/07/2014 - 16:22

  Hmmmm I'm still umming and ahhing an hour later as to whether I add these drives to my existing Amazon order. I have a Synology DS1813+ coming (8 bay) needing drives still but a voice inside me is saying wait for next WD sale :/

  EDIT: one too many Umms or Ahhs, it's in "preparing to ship" and a cancellation can't be guarenteed on previous item. I'll wait out for the WDs next price drop. $139 (or even $129) prices are bound to be near.

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  Nousernamehere on 07/07/2014 - 17:12

  I personally prefer WD, Samsung had notorious fail rates with their 3TB drive I think

  You 'think'? And I'm guessing you meant to say 'Seagate' not 'Samsung'.

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    Click_It on 07/07/2014 - 19:15

    Funny thing is I was ordering a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 at the same time… Yes I meant Seagate, corrected (and well spotted) :)

    I said I 'think' but really I meant to say I 'know'. Just read amazon feedback, or better yet glance at Seagates fail/return rates, the 3TB were high. Early days but the 4TB seems a lot better.

    I gotta say the 3TB stories kinda scared me off, that was my own personal call founded on nothing solid other than a cheapskate gut instinct, I'm sure they're great ;)

    My opinion means little, I still think this is a good deal to share.

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      Nousernamehere on 07/07/2014 - 21:58

      I said I 'think' but really I meant to say I 'know'. Just read amazon feedback, or better yet glance at Seagates fail/return rates, the 3TB were high. Early days but the 4TB seems a lot better.

      I don't think anyone can say that Amazon feedback is the be all and end all of a definitive source on a product. Considering the amount of feedback that isn't even verified.

      I own 3x3TB Seagates and haven't had an issue at all (2 were run in a Synology NAS, now the same 2 are in my HP N54L). Another 2x2TB drives (both with 42xxx power on hours) and again, not a issue. My Samsung drives as well have never had an issue (2x1TB drives). I have though had issues with WD drives, a 2TB drive and 3-4 2.5" portable drives that caused issues/failed.

      But people can turn around and say they've only had issues with certain other drives. For everyone that has had problem with Seagate, there's the same amount of people who have had issues with WD. Both are as 'bad' as each other.

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        eug on 07/07/2014 - 22:20

        But people can turn around and say they've only had issues with certain other drives.

        BackBlaze's results support the anecdotal evidence out there. That's enough to make me
        choose a different brand if I was after a 3TB drive.

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        Nousernamehere on 07/07/2014 - 22:34

        @eug:

        BackBlaze's results

        Knew someone would bring that up. Don't listen to anyone else, just some random cloud based provider is the definitive choice of all hard drives and how reliable they are.

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        eug on 07/07/2014 - 22:37

        @Porthos:

        It supports the anecdotal evidence out there. It sounds like you don't believe that some drives can have a higher percentage of problems.

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        Nousernamehere on 07/07/2014 - 22:44

        @eug:

        It supports the anecdotal evidence out there. It sounds like you don't believe that some drives can have a higher percentage of problems.

        Majority of this 'evidence' came from that site, basically any article uses that as their reference point now. Nothing else, one provider.

        And course some drives have a higher percentage, saying that 'WD is obviously more reliable than Seagate' based on that one source is basically bullshit.

        As I said earlier, for every person who says WD is more reliable than Seagate, there's another who will say the opposite, based on their own opinion/experience.

        They're as 'bad' as each other. That's my point.

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        eug on 07/07/2014 - 22:54

        @Porthos:

        Majority of this 'evidence' came from that site, basically any article uses that as their reference point now. Nothing else, one provider.

        Weren't we talking about Amazon and other reviews? If people's drives died and they mention it, that has nothing to do with what BackBlaze said.

        As I said earlier, for every person who says WD is more reliable than Seagate, there's another who will say the opposite, based on their own opinion/experience.

        That is why I said some DRIVES can have a higher percentage of problems, not some BRANDS.

        Every brand has had their own bad periods. IBM with their DeathStars, Seagate with their 7200.11 Barracudas, WD with their 500GB range.

        You agree that some drives can have a higher percentage of failures. Why can't you accept that it is possible that the 3TB Seagate could fall into that category?

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        Nousernamehere on 07/07/2014 - 23:07

        @eug:

        Weren't we talking about Amazon and other reviews? If people's drives died and they mention it, that has nothing to do with what BackBlaze said.

        Well no, the OP used their evidence as Amazon reviews, majority of which aren't even verified purchases. And like all things, people only generally comment when things go wrong than when things are going right.

        You agree that some drives can have a higher percentage of failures. Why can't you accept that it is possible that the 3TB Seagate could fall into that category?

        Of course I can, but basically saying a sweeping 'Seagate is more unreliable than WD' isn't the same thing. And as I said, I have 3x3TB drives and each of them haven't had one issue. Yet I've had more issues with WD drives, can I therefore go and claim that ALL WD drives suck and Seagate are amazing?

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        eug on 07/07/2014 - 23:28

        @Porthos:

        Of course I can, but basically saying a sweeping 'Seagate is more unreliable than WD' isn't the same thing.

        Hmm, who said that? The OP said that he personally prefers WD as Seagate's 3TB drives don't seem reliable, which seems to have a good amount of support. He then points out that their 4TB drives seem to have fixed the reliability problems. He even posted this Seagate deal.

        And as I said, I have 3x3TB drives and each of them haven't had one issue.

        My one and only 3TB Seagate died.

        If the normal failure rate for a line of drives is 2%, and the 3TB Seagate happens to be 4% (arbitrary figure), there'll still be a lot of people with perfectly functional drives like yours (for now anyway ;).

        But there would be twice the number of failed drives out there.

        The fact that your drives haven't failed doesn't mean that line of drives is just as reliable as others. You could be in the 96% who have no problems whatsoever.

        Yet I've had more issues with WD drives, can I therefore go and claim that ALL WD drives suck and Seagate are amazing?

        Who actually said all abc drives suck and xyz are amazing?

        The OP said he personally prefers WD because Seagate had failures with their 3TB drive.

        Here you're saying you've had issues with WD so presumably prefer Seagate.

        They're both just opinions and preferences based on personal experiences, so there's no wrong or right. He's not telling people not to buy any Seagate drive because they all suck - he posted this deal after all! He just mentioned the reputation that the 3TB drives have. It's no secret.

        Amazon's listing for the 3TB drive is quite interesting. They have suspended their own sales of the Seagate Barracuda 3TB ST3000DM001 drive and put it under review because "customers have told us there may be something wrong with our inventory of the item, the way we are shipping it, or the way it's described here."

        Maybe they have been getting a higher-than-normal number of returns?

        http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST…

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        Nousernamehere on 08/07/2014 - 00:19

        @eug:

        Hmm, who said that? The OP said that he personally prefers WD as Seagate's 3TB drives don't seem reliable, which seems to have a good amount of support. He then points out that their 4TB drives seem to have fixed the reliability problems. He even posted this Seagate deal.

        It seems to be a common theme on here and such sites as Whirlpool, all due to that one article. And yes, the OP does note that, but that 'stigma' still remains. (Even if not intentional).

        But there would be twice the number of failed drives out there.

        That's the whole damn problem with statistics haha.

        The fact that your drives haven't failed doesn't mean that line of drives is just as reliable as others. You could be in the 96% who have no problems whatsoever.

        That's very true, the fact this information isn't freely available from the manufacture's means a lot of it is hearsay and we all know how quickly that turns to 'fact' on the internet.

        The OP said he personally prefers WD because Seagate had failures with their 3TB drive.

        Based in a single point of Amazon reviews. If you looked at most Amazon reviews of products, you wouldn't buy anything off there!

        Amazon's listing for the 3TB drive is quite interesting. They have suspended their own sales of the Seagate Barracuda 3TB ST3000DM001 drive and put it under review because "customers have told us there may be something wrong with our inventory of the item, the way we are shipping it, or the way it's described here."

        Interesting, that's the exact drive I'm referring to that I have. Until Amazon can actually say what the issue is, it's just a guessing game till then. Could it just be a bad batch? Who knows. But easier to just say 'all of the DM001's clearly have an issue' due to that. That's my entire point.

        I'm not disagreeing you realistically, I know all drives can have their issues. Just seems how quickly a rumour can become fact on the internet, then everyone becomes an expert (not referring to you). As I mentioned before thought, basically all drives are as bad as each other. They should all be more reliable nowadays.

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  BluBoy on 07/07/2014 - 18:00

  -1

  It appears as these may or may not have 1 year warranty.

  Although it is only anecdotal personal experience, I would not trust 4TB of my data on a Seagate… Let alone $160 on a Seagate with no warranty.

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  PainToad on 07/07/2014 - 18:52

  -3

  Friends don't let friends use Seagate.

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  SteveAndBelle on 07/07/2014 - 19:13

  +2

  To hopefully clear the air for some… I've had the cheapest & nastiest Seagates in all my NAS boxes over the last 9 years starting from a single 500Gb through to six of these exact 4TB drives in my latest NAS. I've only ever had one SMART warning (not a failure mind you, just a warning!) and as the exact same model drives were still readily available at the time I decided to buy another one while waiting for Seagate to send me a replacement. My personal experience has seen the NAS boxes die or my storage needs increas before any of my Seagates fail and in fact I still use some of those old drives every now & then without any problems.

  Sure, I've heard people have big problems with Seagates but I've also heard others have similar problems with WDs so just go for it and just remember to keep good backups of your important data as nothing in this world is 100% reliable, nothing!

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    eug on 07/07/2014 - 19:38

    nothing in this world is 100% reliable, nothing!

    True, but some drives are more reliable than others. There seemed to be a lot of complaints over the 3TB drives, but the 4TB drives seem to be ok. Just based on that, I would skip the 3TB Seagate and go for a different brand, or get the 4TB drive.

    I didn't think my 3TB Seagate would die, but it did, a few months after I got it.

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      SteveAndBelle on 07/07/2014 - 19:45

      Ha, funnily enough the 3TB drives were the only drive I didn't get! I only upgraded my storage when the drives doubled in size so 1.5s & 3s never fit into the plan. Maybe there's something in that ;)

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  skinny on 07/07/2014 - 21:56

  It can be used on NAS - Synology supports it..http://www.synology.com/en-uk/support/hd/model/DS412+

  You may want to check your nas supplier

  edit: Price gone up to US$145.95 now and cannot be shipped to Australia!