Scammed by Europcar. Is there anything I can do?

Hi Everybody, I've been contemplating this issue for a while and thought I would ask the professionals.

10 months ago I rented a car from europcar at the gold coast airport, this unfortunately was the same week of schoolies (of which I was not and just had poor timing) and the hail storms. I took the car from the airport which all the cars were parked not under cover, and drove it around for 4 days.

Two out of those days was heavy hail, one while I had the car, and one after I left. I checked the car in and they ticked it as fine with no damage, a week later I received an email that I am going to be charged 2.5k for invisible hail damage (We checked the car very well, but of course not with a black light). I responded requesting pictures and a quick completion because I purchased travel insurance and I don't want to leave them waiting, at the mention of travel insurance I never received another word from them.

9 months later, after the financial year they took the money directly out of my expired account (At the worst possible time, due to having a newborn baby and spending the rest of my savings on furniture as we moved out for our first time a week before the babies birth). I get paid monthly and they basically took everything leaving me to beg for money for the entirety of the month, 3.7k randomly with no warning.

Due to my financial issues and the fact that my card I produced to them was expired, I began a charge back so I could survive for that month, A month after this they responded to the charge back saying if I didn't send them the money they would A) take me to court and B) put me on a registry so I can never rent a car again, I buckled and gave them their money back. Their contract seemed pretty specific on this that irregardless of time or expired details their debt collectors can take whatever they want whenever they want.

Should have I taken them to court, is there anything I could have done, my baby is two months old now and I'm being put on a month of no pay so the only thing keeping me alive right now is my small tax back. Also is there a way to make sure they haven't charged another person for the same car in the past 10 months (The Receipts were a week before they charged me, so 9 months after the occurrence, and basically every panel on the car was replaced, I'm surprised they didn't replace the transmission at the same time and say its the hails fault)

(Note: the travel insurance failed, We made sure to purchase the cheapest one that covers rental cars for the day of the hail, I talked to the insurance company and they responded saying the package I purchased did not cover rental cars, So either it was a slight in error on our part then OR they changed their package over the past 9 months, of which I cannot be sure, ACE insurance essentials package through hsbc)

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Comments

    • +17

      Dear OP, I'm glad it's all worked out from you. But I, for one, do not buy their now apologetic CR BS (which only come about when the situation has blown up in their face) considering how the evidence we've unearthed in the last few days all points to there being a systematic issue stemming from a rotten corporate structure, how they have treated us and the false accusations that they've laid against us (still no apology btw - if Europcar is following this thread). Personally, I'll not rent from Europcar and will continue to warn anyone I know against them.

    • +2

      Glad it all worked out for you two. :)
      Now go use some of that money and go have a good day/night out to reward yourself!

    • +2

      Am glad you got a good outcome from this episode. Enjoy your first year with your baby! :)

    • +2

      Glad to hear everything worked out. and I must also commend you for being so honest and impartial in your wrap up of the situation.

    • +2

      Congratulations OP, great news, glad you got a good outcome!

      An important point for me that I will gladly acknowledge as a failure on my end is that I didn't communicate on my side after my babies birth…

      Don't beat yourself up too much over this, relative time stops outside the family unit (as it rightly should IMHO) post birth for all new parents! As others have noted, take the time to enjoy your new bub, they have a way of helping you put the world into true perspective! :D

    • +3

      Good outcome…typical sophist rhetoric though.

      Don't know why you are accepting any sort of blame, deep down you know that if you did call them, they'd still be playing you for a fool …sounds like you got stockholm syndrome. Still recommending them because they're cheap?… damn.

    • +1

      Glad things worked out for you.

  • +4

    i hope they didn't JUST refund the money .. no compensation ? goodwill gesture ?
    Seems like you guys were pretty stressed out with it all and took some toll !

    • +3

      yeah, at least they could have given you a complimentary rental on your next one. Of course, any damage (including invisible) to the car will be the responsibility of the renter……

  • +1

    Better hire a car that can include $0 excess fee for accident. so you do not worry about anything when you returned the car

    • +1

      ^This.

      Always pay the little bit extra up front IME, it's truly worth it for you peace of mind.

      • Can you get zero excess? I wouldn't rent a car to me with zero excess. No incentive to even return the thing.

        I would leave it in a ditch outside the airport, or simply drive right up to the check-in desk.

        I did wonder about this actually, was renting a car in europe and had a change of plains which made it a pain to return the car where I said I would. Was looking at two extra days driving Italy to Germany and catching the train back. Would have cost ~$200 to just leave it on the street with the keys in. probably less than the fuel.

        • +1

          Can you get zero excess?

          Yep, absolutely; I wouldn't rent a car nowadays without it…doesn't cost much more & it's a nice feeling not having to worry about checking it back in, just casually walk past the key return chute & 3-point the suckers in! ;)

    • You can get $0 excess, but it doesn't cover everything.
      Usually things like overhead damage to the roof is not covered, and often underbody damage is not covered either.

  • +1

    I just read the whole thread…Another happy ending :)

  • I'm glad you posted and you won the fight.

    We rented from Europcar last May in NZ and haven't received any ridiculous demands or charges.

    If something goes wrong in the future I'll know what to do and where to turn to.

    • +3

      We rented from Europcar last May in NZ and haven't received any ridiculous demands or charges…yet!

      Fixed. :)

  • -27

    To the OzBargain Community

    Thank you for your patience while we investigated this issue. As you now know, we have been in touch with 'Dezaman' and have offered a solution to help resolve the matter, which we hope will help alleviate any stress or inconvenience this incident has caused.

    We take all customer feedback very seriously and we are genuinely sorry to hear that one of our customers had such a negative experience with Europcar. As soon as the incident was brought to our attention, we undertook a thorough investigation to find out what went wrong and how we could improve the affected customer's experience.

    We also want to assure you that we are committed to providing the best possible customer experience so hearing about incidents like this is very important to us. We always welcome and encourage customer feedback so we can identify issues with our processes, and how we can improve to ultimately provide a more positive experience for all our customers.

    Thank you,
    Europcar Australia

    • +22

      Europcar, with all respect, please next time don't just blatantly delete Facebook posts (and consequently ban users) from your page. Not only is it unprofessional, it goes against your committment to "providing the best possible customer experience" and is one less avenue through which your customers can voice their concerns. As you saw, if people cannot reach you through facebook/twitter, they will find other means to do this.

      Plus, we don't want you guys "working overtime" again ;)

    • +4

      @Europcar: Where is the (long overdue) apology?

    • +3

      You can feel the sincerity… ?

      • +2

        I can certainly smell it…

    • +15

      Your company isn't sorry, you're just sorry that you got caught out by us.

    • +7

      I'm glad that the OP's issue has been resolved, but the whole thing smells of potentially fraudulent or misleading behaviour by a Europecar representative.

      Car returned and all clear given by staff
      Car stored in open and uncovered area
      Hail storms and other storms occurring throughout the week of the rental, and post rental
      'Invisible hail damage' picked up at least 7 days post return
      Customer billed as a result of 'invisible hail damage'
      Chargeback issued
      Letter threatening court action to customer to revoke chargeback
      Customer appeals some months later on consumer forum
      Social media campaign ensues
      issue resolved by staff 'working overtime over the weekend'.

      What guarantee is there that this billing of 'invisible hail damage' won't happen again? How is a prospective customer able to discern if a car had this hail damage pre-inspection and post inspection, if he or she could not see it himself? What has happened to the franchisee, or the employee/agent who decided to pursue such a course of action in the first place?

    • +5

      OK, if this is the case, our reference number for being charged incorrectly over $1300 on damage that you knew about before the hire is 5379590. Please contact the mobile number who lodged this inquiry.

    • +1

      Hello Europecar Australia,

      I for one, am interested to hear what your concluded from your thorough investigation what went wrong.
      More importantly, what internal programs have you implemented to prevent this occurring again ?

      Words are cheap, actions add substance, so please, add some substance to your (currently hollow) words and demonstrate that you indeed have taken this matter seriously.

      Regards,

      086

      • Hello 086

        Would you believe Europcar could tell you, but they would need to use the cone of silence.

        • LOL, yeah I would :)

  • +2

    This won't help your case at all, but when my sister crashed her car, the car insurance company also said there was "hail damage" but refused to show pictures too. Slashed her insurance in half. Typical scam.

  • +5

    Europcar Australia is now on notice. Thanks to the Ozbargain community.

    • +15

      I'd be inclined to think that Europcar have done themselves a tremendous disservice here, word of mouth is a powerful marketing tool, particularly when it comes to negative publicity…just ask Malaysian Airlines!

      Europcar screwed the pooch big-time here; but instead of doing the smart thing, acknowledging the wrongdoing & apologising for it, they just begrudgingly give back the misappropriated funds & issue a few worthless platitudes. Then, to rub salt in the wound, they try to excuse themselves by backhandedly blaming the OP for not forcing the issue over the fraud they themselves have committed. Just abysmal management Europcar, plain dumb. Heads should roll at a senior management level over these kind of things…and to be honest, the Police Fraud Squad should be looking into these kind of practices as well, it just smacks of theft by deception to me!

      If even 50% of OzBargainers decide never to use Europcar again, that's already a huge slug out of the potential client base in Oz…not to mention the friends & family members they also warn along the way. Then there's the flow on from Google searches, OzB chatter gets a lot of hits in most searches now, you can guarantee that won't be lost on the potential Oz tourist community.

      FWIW, I have long refused to use Europcar…as xywolap said below, this is not an isolated incident, and Europcar has a long (verifiable) history of these kind of shenanigans.

  • +6

    Wow just read this, glad things got rectified for OP but there goes customer confidence in Europcar. I'll be avoiding this mob like the plague.

    • +1

      This is not new, it has been going on for a long time.

  • +2

    This is why every time I rent a car I take the person out with me and we go through the car in detail. They watch me take dozens of photos of every little knick and scratch.

    Never had a problem after returning a car when they know you have the photo evidence.

    • The car rental can't verify that your photos were genuine or taken after the incident occurred. How do you prove that the photos were taken just before the hire? Obviously, the dates on the photo can be forged.

      If you think from a car rental's side, say a customer hired a car out, had a dent but claim it had been there when s/he hired the car. S/he backs up the claim with a photo of the dent but you think they took the photo after they had hired the car and dented it.

      • +1

        Buy a paper, bring a friend with a phone that can record video, scan car, scan friend/paper, scan salesman giving you the biggest wth face lol?

      • The photos have the car rego and I take a photo of the staff member with the car as well. What matters in civil matters is a balance of probability.

  • dezaman - good news, but did they refund just the dodgy charges or everything (ie. the rental as well?)

    And also as I've asked before, what about the threats about debt collectors?

  • +5

    Most car rental businesses can be total shonks but take a look at Europcar's customer feedback on Product Review… it's abysmal!!!
    http://www.productreview.com.au/p/europcar.html

  • Just a bit of related rant but I find that car rental companies are trash and it is best to avoid them and use public transport if at all possible. They charge so many hidden fees and try to hoodwink you into things like pre-paid fuel and excess reduction. The going rate for excess reduction is about $30/day and it still only reduces the excess to something like $1k instead of $3k. $30/day equates to an insurance premium of $11k per year!! It is ridiculous and no surprise that most people opt out of it.

    • Re:Insurance cover. They have no idea about the driving (dis)ability or the claimes history of the person renting the car. They might have had 10 accidents in the past year and be uninsurable if they were to take out a policy on their own car. They may even have a suspended license, i don't know if they can check that at the time.

      Plus, people tend to drive rentals like they are rentals. I know I do.

      Probably still expensive, but I can sort of understand why.

      Best coverage is usually through your credit card insurance (if you have it) or through travel insurance (make sure it has it).

  • Apparent it will hail today in NSW! Car owners/renters, please take precautions.

    • +21

      Regular or invisible?

      • +1

        Lol you sound like an ad for feminine hygiene products

    • Will the hail spread as far as Perth? I hope I don't get charged

  • +2

    CONGRATULATIONS FOR THE WIN!!

    I'M GONNA HAVE A DRINK TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF YOU DEZAMAN!!! :) :) :)

    But seriously, what a great support OzB community has given. Now I know where to go in the future when I'm in a real deep sh*t against giant company!

  • +4

    I'm going to avoid Europcar from now on…

  • +1

    Thanks to all for the unfortunate horror stories. Car hire companies are dodgy enough, but it seems this one has redefined the art of dodgyness to an exalted level. I shall certainly be very wary next time I have to hire a car.

  • +2

    Lol anything to do with cars is just plain dodgy

    Dodgy car dealers, used car salesmen, dodgy mechanics, care hire companies….the list goes on!

  • +5

    It's unfortunate the OP has now turned into a Europcar fanboy after some sweet talking by some customer relationship manager, even somehow accepting the blame and posting on OZB that we should all consider Europcar because they are alright. How Europcar managed to turn that around is either pure genius or pure evil.

    Fact are facts, what they did stunk and as other OZBs have pointed out, this is a common structured pattern from this company. Too risky to use in future for me. I'll be sticking to Hertz, Budget, Avis, Thrifty etc. We do have plenty of options.

    • It's unfortunate the OP has now turned into a Europcar fanboy after some sweet talking…

      I've seen nothing of the sort, that's a pretty myopic view of the situation.

      OP has (wisely) merely chosen to be gracious in victory…smart move IMHO! Some of you guys need to learn a lesson or two from this…sometimes in life, even when you get a win, if you don't know when it's time to STFU you can quite easily wind up shitting in your own nest, metaphorically speaking of course.

  • Europcar is not the only one. Avis and Hertz did similar things to friends for parking infringes at places/time they never went, let alone no route deviation based on odometer distance (airport to home at night time).

  • +3

    Europcar sound dodgey as hell. Glad the OP got this resolved but what Europcar did is indefensible and definitely sounds like misleading/deceptive conduct, they also don't sound sorry at all, just sorry they got caught.

    I really hope this costs them a lot of business, I am not going to touch them with a 10 foot pole that's for sure. I've rented a few cars and trucks over the years from budget and never had any issues.

  • +3

    i wonder if Europecar will refer to the damage to their reputation resulting from this incident as "unequivocal fail damage"

    • +2

      Invisible unequivocal fail damage

      Fixed! :)

  • +1

    Heard some interesting facts:
    If you have dodgy service, you are likely to tell 10 people about it.
    If you have a good experience, you only tell 3 people

  • +2

    I needed to book a car for 2 weeks in December - Europcar were $40 cheaper than Thrifty - but after reading this thread i have happily gone ahead and booked with Thrifty :)

  • +1

    Am heartened to see such a strong proactive response by the community, so much so, it encouraged me to stop lurking and sign up.

    Power to the people indeed :)

  • Thnx for the posts OZB, I'll steer clear of these schmuks.

  • +4

    New Developments concerning Europcar & unfair contracts..

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/accc-alleges-europcar-misl…

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